Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

And that's what it was. When I replaced the copy I had with a clean
version, generated a PDF, then used the Save As Reduced size, it came out
perfectly.

Seriously, you'd think I'd be happier about solving the problem, but what a
bloody piddly thing it turned out to be to take all that time to fix.

Oh, well. Next problem ...

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive
> bloat.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size
> increase I
> > saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and
> everything
> > was fine.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >>
> >> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
> >> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see
> if it
> >> sheds any light on the issue.
> >>
> >> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
> >> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
> >> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
> >> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
> >> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you
> believe,
> >> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That seems bizarre.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
> >>> > since
> >>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
> >>> >
> >>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
> >>> > expected.
>



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive bloat.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
> saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
> was fine.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>
>> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
>> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if it
>> sheds any light on the issue.
>>
>> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
>> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
>> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
>> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
>> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
>> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That seems bizarre.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
>>> > since
>>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>>> >
>>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
>>> > expected.
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
was fine.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
> going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
> it sheds any light on the issue.
>
> This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
> joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
> controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
> explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
> since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
> it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> That seems bizarre.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
>> since
>> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>> >
>> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
>>
>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
it sheds any light on the issue.

This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> That seems bizarre.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
> since
> > we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
> >
> > The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
>



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

That seems bizarre.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
> we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
>
> The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.

The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.

Now if I can just get the text within the SVG graphics to be searchable (a
major reason for the upgrade), I'll be happy. I'm already in touch with
Kapil about that.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
> graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
> that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
>> that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
>> actually tried to search for anything.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
>>> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>>> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
>>> know,
>>> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Are of the image compression options different?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>>> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
>>> PDF to
>>> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped,
>>> so the
>>> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>>> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>>> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>>> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
>>> changed
>>> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>>> >> >> default.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
>>> the
>>> >> >> > tips
>>> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>>> >> >> > appreciably.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible
>>> to
>>> >> >> > put
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
>>> have
>>> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
>>> locally,
>>> >> >> > but
>>> >> >> > they
>>> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
>>> attachment
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > an
>>> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>>> >> >> > begin
>>> >> >> > with. :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Lin Sims
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Lin Sims
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> 
>
> Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
> that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
> actually tried to search for anything.
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
>> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
>> know,
>> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston > >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are of the image compression options different?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims 
>> wrote:
>> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
>> PDF to
>> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
>> the
>> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
>> rob...@lauriston.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
>> changed
>> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> >> >> default.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
>> the
>> >> >> > tips
>> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>> >> >> > appreciably.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
>> >> >> > put
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
>> have
>> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
>> locally,
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
>> attachment
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > an
>> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>> >> >> > begin
>> >> >> > with. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Lin Sims
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>>
>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
actually tried to search for anything.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
> generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
> > but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Are of the image compression options different?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> >> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF
> to
> >> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
> the
> >> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> >> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> >> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> >> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> >> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> >> >> default.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
> >> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
> the
> >> >> > tips
> >> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
> >> >> > appreciably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
> >> >> > put
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
> have
> >> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > an
> >> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
> >> >> > begin
> >> >> > with. :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Lin Sims
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
> but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> Are of the image compression options different?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
>> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
>> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
>> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
>> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> >> default.
>> >>
>> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
>> >> > tips
>> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
>> >> > appreciably.
>> >> >
>> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
>> >> > put
>> >> > the
>> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
>> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
>> >> > but
>> >> > they
>> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment
>> >> > to
>> >> > an
>> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
>> >> > begin
>> >> > with. :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>
>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Are of the image compression options different?
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> > generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
> > Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
> > next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
> >> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
> >> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
> >> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
> >> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
> >> default.
> >>
> >> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
> >> > tips
> >> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
> appreciably.
> >> >
> >> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
> >> > the
> >> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> >> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
> but
> >> > they
> >> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
> >> > an
> >> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
> begin
> >> > with. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

Are of the image compression options different?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
> generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
> Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
> next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
>> coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
>> occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
>> strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
>> in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
>> default.
>>
>> The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
>> > tips
>> > y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
>> >
>> > On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
>> > the
>> > shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
>> > unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
>> > they
>> > always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
>> > an
>> > email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
>> > with. :-)
>
>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Robert Lauriston]

If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
default.

The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
> y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
>
> On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
> shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
> unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but they
> always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to an
> email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
> with. :-)
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.

On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
they always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
an email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
with. :-)

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Davis, David <
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:

> Lin,
> As far as I recall, modern versions of Adobe Reader autogenerate the PDF
> bookmark pane and thumbnails on the fly if you ask them to,
> so if megabytes are really that tight for you, you could probably ditch
> them anyway?
>
> David
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:16:20 -0500
> From: Lin Sims 
> To: David Boss 
> Cc: Frame Users 
> Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
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> Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which
> was only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
> bookmarks with it.
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Davis, David]

Lin,
As far as I recall, modern versions of Adobe Reader autogenerate the PDF 
bookmark pane and thumbnails on the fly if you ask them to,
so if megabytes are really that tight for you, you could probably ditch them 
anyway?

David


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From: Lin Sims 
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Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was 
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the bookmarks 
with it.

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Yeah, I tried that, too. As you said, the difference was fairly minimal. I
am hoping that the next time I create the generated files that things clear
up, since they'll essentially be "from scratch". Possibly when I was doing
work elsewhere in the document, they got caught in an edit they shouldn't
have.



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:31 PM, David Boss  wrote:

> Don't remove "Links, actions and javascripts" and the bookmarks will be
> retained.
>
> Unfortunately, although it can reduce file size by up to 70% in my
> experience, sometimes the reduction is minimal.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *Boss Communications / Boss Photographic*
>
> www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* February-18-15 2:16 PM
> *To:* David Boss
> *Cc:* Frame Users
> *Subject:* Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
>
>
>
> Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which
> was only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
> bookmarks with it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Boss  wrote:
>
> Try Tools > Protection > Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
> something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
> extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by
> third-party
> applications.  It can reduce the file size significantly.
>
> David
>
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> www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[David Boss]

Don't remove "Links, actions and javascripts" and the bookmarks will be 
retained. 

Unfortunately, although it can reduce file size by up to 70% in my experience, 
sometimes the reduction is minimal.

 

David

 

Boss Communications / Boss Photographic

 <http://www.bosscommunications.com/> www.bosscommunications.com / 
www.bossphotographic.com

 

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
Sent: February-18-15 2:16 PM
To: David Boss
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

 

Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was 
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the bookmarks 
with it. 

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Boss mailto:bossc...@rogers.com> > wrote:

Try Tools > Protection > Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by third-party
applications.  It can reduce the file size significantly.

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www.bosscommunications.com <http://www.bosscommunications.com>  / 
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
bookmarks with it.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Boss  wrote:

> Try Tools > Protection > Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
> something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
> extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by
> third-party
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[David Boss]

Try Tools > Protection > Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by third-party
applications.  It can reduce the file size significantly.

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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Zimmerman, Gary]

Yes, there will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for 
most of us, it simply is what it is.


It's not how big your file is.  It's what you do with it.

;-)



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:59 AM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

And I wasn't jumping on you, either, Lin. I wanted to clarify to several others 
who had replied (off-list and on-) that they have similar concerns to yours but 
for different reasons that many (maybe most) FrameMaker users don't pay much 
attention to file size because there's no need for them to do so. Yes, there 
will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for most of us, it 
simply is what it is.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:51 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>
To: docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was 
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder 
mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>
To: docu...@hotmail.com<mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).
*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder 
mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.
Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Abungu, Salome]

I’m not sure if this would work in structured FrameMaker but you could change 
the PDF compatibility before printing. The File compatibility bloats the size 
of the PDF if you make your document compatible with too many past versions of 
Adobe Reader.


1)  Go to print document under the File dropdown

2)  Under Printer select Setup and then select Adobe PDF from the Print 
Setup display screen

3)  From the same screen select Properties…

4)  From the Adobe PDF Document Properties display screen select Edit next 
to the Default Settings

5)  From the Standard – Adobe PDF Settings display screen, go to the 
Compatibility dropdown under File Options. Select the latest version of PDF 
available.

6)  Select OK. A Save Adobe PDF Settings As window will appear. Give a new 
name to this job option and then press Save.




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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:08 PM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

Ah! More information I left out!
The book is an unstructured book, but it includes 3 files that were created 
from structured data. Those 3 files are still structured, because that's the 
only way to keep the xref links working.
The process is this:

  1.  An Excel 2010 spreadsheet is converted to multiple .xml files by using a 
script, which inserts the correct DITA tags and also creates a .ditamap for 
them.
  2.  The ditamap is converted into a Frame book using DITAFMx, which gives me 
a book file with a TOC and a single .xml.fm<http://xml.fm> file.
  3.  The .xml.fm<http://xml.fm> file is added to an unstructured Frame book 
but is left as a structured file.
  4.  The book is updated/generated and then a PDF is generated using Save As 
PDF.
As I said, when I was working in FM10, the PDF had a size of about 3, 3.5M.
The files were recently converted from FM10 to FM12. When I use the above 
process and generate the PDF from FM12, the file size has gone to about 12-13M. 
The files that had been converted from .xml to .fm have not changed since the 
last time I created the PDF in FM10. The rest of the files have changed but not 
in a major way.
In a few days I expect to regenerate those .xml files from the source Excel, so 
maybe something will change. It just seemed weird that the move from FM10 to 
FM12 seemed to result in such a large increase in the PDF size.

I'll keep y'all posted.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Scott Prentice 
mailto:s...@leximation.com>> wrote:
If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others didn't, 
there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You probably checked this 
already, but are these files still structured?

I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from FM11 to 
FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to PDF from FM11 
it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that might be a difference 
of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.

Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB and the 
FM12 PDF is 40KB.

The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the unstructured 
file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible that your PDFs that 
come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to be an increase in size 
(from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs from FM11 to FM12.

You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing the 
structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, since these 
files came through a different path, they may have additional 
content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase the file size.

Cheers,
...scott
On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that were 
created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by script 
from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been part of the 
document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why there's a sudden 
file size increase.
I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase 
continues. It's still odd.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury 
mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Lin,
I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file and 
saving it as FM12.
Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12 
document.
Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
Distilled postscript to PDF.
FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one 
chapter, I would expect a sligh

Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Ah! More information I left out!

The book is an unstructured book, but it includes 3 files that were created
from structured data. Those 3 files are still structured, because that's
the only way to keep the xref links working.

The process is this:

   1. An Excel 2010 spreadsheet is converted to multiple .xml files by
   using a script, which inserts the correct DITA tags and also creates a
   .ditamap for them.
   2. The ditamap is converted into a Frame book using DITAFMx, which gives
   me a book file with a TOC and a single .xml.fm file.
   3. The .xml.fm file is added to an unstructured Frame book but is left
   as a structured file.
   4. The book is updated/generated and then a PDF is generated using Save
   As PDF.

As I said, when I was working in FM10, the PDF had a size of about 3, 3.5M.

The files were recently converted from FM10 to FM12. When I use the above
process and generate the PDF from FM12, the file size has gone to about
12-13M. The files that had been converted from .xml to .fm have not changed
since the last time I created the PDF in FM10. The rest of the files have
changed but not in a major way.

In a few days I expect to regenerate those .xml files from the source
Excel, so maybe something will change. It just seemed weird that the move
from FM10 to FM12 seemed to result in such a large increase in the PDF size.

I'll keep y'all posted.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

>  If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others
> didn't, there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You probably
> checked this already, but are these files still structured?
>
> I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from
> FM11 to FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to PDF
> from FM11 it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that might
> be a difference of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.
>
> Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB and
> the FM12 PDF is 40KB.
>
> The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the
> unstructured file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible that
> your PDFs that come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to be an
> increase in size (from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs from FM11
> to FM12.
>
> You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing the
> structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, since
> these files came through a different path, they may have additional
> content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase the file size.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
> On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
>  After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that
> were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by
> script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been
> part of the document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why
> there's a sudden file size increase.
>
>  I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase
> continues. It's still odd.
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury 
> wrote:
>
>>  Lin,
>> I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured
>> FM7.2 file and saving it as FM12.
>> Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12
>> document.
>> Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
>> Distilled postscript to PDF.
>> FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
>> FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
>> This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
>> The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
>> I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in
>> one chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the book, but nothing like
>> you are experiencing.
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage
>> site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using
>> corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to
>> attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join
>> the review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
>> limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
>> Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
>> files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
>> the files through a MIF wash).
>>
>>  *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared
>> review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I
>> know this works.
>>
>>  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not to minimize your question, but...
>>
>> With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
>> hard 

RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Fred Ridder]

And I wasn't jumping on you, either, Lin. I wanted to clarify to several others 
who had replied (off-list and on-) that they have similar concerns to yours but 
for different reasons that many (maybe most) FrameMaker users don't pay much 
attention to file size because there's no need for them to do so. Yes, there 
will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for most of us, it 
simply is what it is.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:51 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was 
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:



Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:



Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Scott Prentice]

If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others 
didn't, there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You 
probably checked this already, but are these files still structured?


I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from 
FM11 to FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to 
PDF from FM11 it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that 
might be a difference of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.


Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB 
and the FM12 PDF is 40KB.


The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the 
unstructured file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible 
that your PDFs that come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to 
be an increase in size (from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs 
from FM11 to FM12.


You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing 
the structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, 
since these files came through a different path, they may have 
additional content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase 
the file size.


Cheers,
...scott

On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files 
that were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were 
generated by script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files 
have always been part of the document (and inserted in the same way), 
so I'm not sure why there's a sudden file size increase.


I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the 
increase continues. It's still odd.


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury > wrote:


Lin,
I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured
FM7.2 file and saving it as FM12.
Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a
FM12 document.
Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
Distilled postscript to PDF.
FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB
increase in one chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the
book, but nothing like you are experiencing.

Dave


On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims
mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage
site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is
using corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for
now I have to attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to
allow reviewers to join the review*. Admittedly, this one file
isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's not
something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the
sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did
run all the files through a MIF wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the
shared review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead,
but until I do, I know this works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per
gigabyte for hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not
sure it's worthwhile worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's
less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless you know
your documents are going to be posted on a website where a
significant number of users do not have anything resembling
broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying
about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good return on
investment.

-Fred Ridder


Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com



Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF
increasing dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12
(or any earlier version of FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and
that's AFTER running the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or
Acrobat 10 correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,

-- 
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> Fair enough.
>
> But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate
> reasons for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have
> occurred, or to have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a
> difference. In other words, you might not see a lot of responses to your
> query because many of us have had no need to pay attention to this issue.
>
> -FR
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: docu...@hotmail.com
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
> There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
> GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
> shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
> review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
> limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
> Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
> files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
> the files through a MIF wash).
>
> *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
> PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
> this works.
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
> Not to minimize your question, but...
>
> With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
> hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
> worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
> storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
> website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
> broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
> file size does not yield a good return on investment.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
> Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
> dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
> of FM to FM12)?
>
> I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
> running the Save as Reduced Size.
>
> Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
> correctly, or is there a solution?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Fred Ridder]

Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:



Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Craig, Alison]

Download size is certainly a consideration for my PDFs - a few of our customers 
use old-fashioned 300-1200 baud modems in very isolated areas (upper Amazon, 
rural Vietnam, etc).

Alison


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To: Lin Sims; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.
Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?
Thanks,

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that
were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by
script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been
part of the document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why
there's a sudden file size increase.

I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase
continues. It's still odd.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury 
wrote:

> Lin,
> I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file
> and saving it as FM12.
> Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12
> document.
> Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
> Distilled postscript to PDF.
> FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
> FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
> This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
> The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
> I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one
> chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the book, but nothing like you
> are experiencing.
>
> Dave
>
>
>  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
> There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
> GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
> shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
> review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
> limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
> Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
> files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
> the files through a MIF wash).
>
> *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
> PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
> this works.
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
> Not to minimize your question, but...
>
> With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
> hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
> worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
> storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
> website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
> broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
> file size does not yield a good return on investment.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
> Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
> dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
> of FM to FM12)?
>
> I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
> running the Save as Reduced Size.
>
> Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
> correctly, or is there a solution?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[David Spreadbury]

Lin,I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file 
and saving it as FM12.Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then 
save it as a FM12 document.Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF 
driver.Distilled postscript to PDF.FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KBFM12 
file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KBThis was one chapter of a 30+ chapter 
book.The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.I can open and update all the 
chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one chapter, I would expect a slight 
increase in the book, but nothing like you are experiencing.
Dave

  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
  

 The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Lin Sims]

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
the files through a MIF wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
this works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> Not to minimize your question, but...
>
> With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
> hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
> worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
> storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
> website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
> broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
> file size does not yield a good return on investment.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
> Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
> dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
> of FM to FM12)?
>
> I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
> running the Save as Reduced Size.
>
> Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
> correctly, or is there a solution?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>
>
>


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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

[Fred Ridder]

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,
-- 
Lin Sims



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