Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 19 August 2010 09:52, Alec Mitchell wrote: >> Though I voted against the inclusion of the UUID PLIP on it's own, if >> the link-by-uuid PLIP makes good use of it, then it certainly could be >> worth including. > > I'd like to work wi

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 19 August 2010 16:57, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Martin Aspeli > wrote: >> On 19 August 2010 09:52, Alec Mitchell wrote: >>> Though I voted against the inclusion of the UUID PLIP on it's own, if >>> the link-by-uuid PLIP makes good use of it, then it

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Raphael Ritz
Martin Aspeli wrote: > [..] > > I wrote the PLIP because I'm uncomfortable with the status quo. People > end up making their own half-solutions, e.g. using their own counters, > physical paths (which are not stable), keeping their own BTrees of > content, using zope.intid or faking up the UID() met

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Dorneles Treméa wrote: > from his recent work on Canonical, I'm sure Sidnei has some great > insights to share here, don't you Sidnei? :-) We've been using YUI, so Y.Test as the test framework. We run tests manually in the browser when debugging, but for automated

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
Le 19/08/10 12:29, Sidnei da Silva a écrit : > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Dorneles Treméa wrote: >> from his recent work on Canonical, I'm sure Sidnei has some great >> insights to share here, don't you Sidnei? :-) > > We've been using YUI, so Y.Test as the test framework. We run tests > man

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 19 August 2010 23:24, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > First time I hear bad sound about Windmill. Happy that I am no the only > one not convinced. I hear "bad sounds" too from time to time, but no-one has yet been able to tell me what the real problem is. I'd be quite interested in any specifics.

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP #10877 - Separate Products.CMFPlone from the Plone egg and its optional dependencies

2010-08-19 Thread Laurence Rowe
On 9 August 2010 11:48, Laurence Rowe wrote: > I've added a PLIP for separating out the optional dependencies from > Products.CMFPlone: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10877 I've created branches and a PLIP buildout. For the time being the optional dependencies are still in the Products.CMFPlo

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
Le 18/08/10 19:01, David Glick a écrit : > Godefroid, I am definitely interested to learn from your experience in > this area. Regarding functional testing of Javascript, would you > recommend looking at KSS to see how it is done there, or are there newer > best practices that have emerged since th

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Steve McMahon
About a month ago, I spent some time with windmill, trying to do tests for plone.app.jquerytools. Windmill looked OK, but when I tried to automate the testing as a test case with niteoweb.windmill, I encountered lots of problems and ended up giving up on it. It looked like I was having trouble any

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP #10877 - Separate Products.CMFPlone from the Plone egg and its optional dependencies

2010-08-19 Thread David Glick
On 8/19/10 7:39 AM, Laurence Rowe wrote: > On 9 August 2010 11:48, Laurence Rowe wrote: > >> I've added a PLIP for separating out the optional dependencies from >> Products.CMFPlone: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10877 >> > I've created branches and a PLIP buildout. For the time being

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 20 August 2010 00:26, Steve McMahon wrote: > About a month ago, I spent some time with windmill, trying to do tests for > plone.app.jquerytools. > > Windmill looked OK, but when I tried to automate the testing as a test case > with niteoweb.windmill, I encountered lots of problems and ended up

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi Alec, > > On 19 August 2010 09:52, Alec Mitchell wrote: > >> Though I voted against the inclusion of the UUID PLIP on it's own, if >> the link-by-uuid PLIP makes good use of it, then it certainly could be >> worth including. > > I'd like

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Steve McMahon
I should have added that I'm very enthusiastic about getting some JavaScript continuous integration testing in place, and will happily learn whatever framework we choose. We're getting way too much browser-side code to be without systematic tests. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Martin Aspeli >

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 19 August 2010 23:24, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > >> First time I hear bad sound about Windmill. Happy that I am no the only >> one not convinced. > > I hear "bad sounds" too from time to time, but no-one has yet been > able to tell me w

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Le 19/08/10 12:29, Sidnei da Silva a écrit : > Is JsTestDriver qUnit compatible ? http://code.google.com/p/js-test-driver/wiki/QUnitAdapter > Do you test multiple browsers or only Firefox ? Only Firefox at the moment (Firefox account

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > Reason why I insist on automated tests. Functional tests run too slowly > to rely on developers running them regularly. We need to delegate to > Hudson or buildbot. I agree completely. I very nearly* have a Hudson/Selenium Grid/plone

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Alec, On 20 August 2010 00:56, Alec Mitchell wrote: >> I'd like to experiment with making the AT UID() and reference/UID >> catalogs use plone.uuid as well. Certainly, that's where I'd like us >> to end up. I just didn't want to be too ambitious with the PLIP in the >> first instance, in case

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
Le 19/08/10 18:14, Eric Steele a écrit : > On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: >> >> Reason why I insist on automated tests. Functional tests run too slowly >> to rely on developers running them regularly. We need to delegate to >> Hudson or buildbot. > > I agree completely. > >

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meetin g Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Alec Mitchell
Hi Martin, On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi Alec, > > On 20 August 2010 00:56, Alec Mitchell wrote: > >>> I'd like to experiment with making the AT UID() and reference/UID >>> catalogs use plone.uuid as well. Certainly, that's where I'd like us >>> to end up. I just did

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Le 19/08/10 18:14, Eric Steele a écrit : >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: >>> >>> Reason why I insist on automated tests. Functional tests run too slowly >>> to rely on developers running them regularly. We need to

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team Meet ing Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
Le 19/08/10 22:44, Eric Steele a écrit : > > I wrote a new layer, mainly because I wanted to figure out how it all worked. > I've put up a quick screencast of the whole thing in action, if anyone's > interested. http://blip.tv/file/4023258 > > Basically Hudson controls a Selenium Grid which dole

Re: [Framework-Team] Plone 4.1 Framework Team M eeting Minutes– 17 August, 2010

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Steele
On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Le 19/08/10 22:44, Eric Steele a écrit : > >> >> I wrote a new layer, mainly because I wanted to figure out how it all >> worked. I've put up a quick screencast of the whole thing in action, if >> anyone's interested. http://blip.tv/file