Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-14 Thread Johann Visagie
Terry Lambert on 2001-08-11 (Sat) at 12:47:01 -0700: Garance A Drosihn wrote: As to Jason's situation, I also like to use bash as my shell even when I am root. However, I do not want to muck around with the port for 'bash', or do anything else to move where bash is or how it's

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:23:40PM +0200, Johann Visagie wrote: if ( $tty != ) then (There may be a more elegant way to check for shell interactivity in csh, and if there is I'd like to know about it, please. :-) I've used if ($?USER == 0 || $?prompt == 0) in the past. To Unsubscribe:

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-14 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:23 PM +0200 8/14/01, Johann Visagie wrote: You may also want to restrict it so that only interactive login sessions cause bash to be invoked. To summarise: if ( $tty != ) then if ( -x /usr/local/bin/bash ) then setenv SHELL /usr/local/bin/bash exec

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-14 Thread Doug Ambrisko
David O'Brien writes: | On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:23:40PM +0200, Johann Visagie wrote: |if ( $tty != ) then | | (There may be a more elegant way to check for shell interactivity in csh, and | if there is I'd like to know about it, please. :-) | | I've used if ($?USER == 0 || $?prompt

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Nate Williams
I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC. If it's not in the base setup, on a production box, you can't use it. *Huh* This policy must have been

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Terry Lambert
Nate Williams wrote: Umm, Terry. There was no 'free' tar. Back in the 386BSD days, when we were looking for a free tar, I contacted Andy Tanenbaum (of Minix) and got permission to use it, since we didn't have one. However, it was voted down as being 'too simple', so we opted for the GNU

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Jim Bryant
The Anarcat wrote: [Foul-mouthed anti-gummint drivel deleted] Actually, it is up to us to resolve this. I don't think you understand how DOD operates. The vendor makes the changes, not DOD. Not the admin. And FreeBSD is the *vendor*? I don't think so. At least I don't hope so. If I'm

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Jim Bryant
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:04:01 -0500 Jim Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JB I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as JB DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC.

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:13:52AM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: from what i've read here, not many undrestand the actual mindset of the military when it comes to computing. the closest would be the guy who mentioned that since ports are on the CD's that they should be acceptable, this is

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Jim Bryant
DOD/DFAS, as well as DOD/DISA. I find it amazing that the CIA has a more lax policy than DFAS and DISA. David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:13:52AM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: from what i've read here, not many undrestand the actual mindset of the military when it comes to

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Joseph Mallett
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:23:26PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: DOD/DFAS, as well as DOD/DISA. I find it amazing that the CIA has a more lax policy than DFAS and DISA. The only person I've ever talked to from the CIA was in charge of network security to some degree, and according to him they

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread Jim Bryant
Joseph Mallett wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:23:26PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: DOD/DFAS, as well as DOD/DISA. I find it amazing that the CIA has a more lax policy than DFAS and DISA. The only person I've ever talked to from the CIA was in charge of network security to some degree,

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Jim Bryant
I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC. If it's not in the base setup, on a production box, you can't use it. Everything must be kept in it's

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:38:56PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: Yes the sun packages installs into /bin: ticso@cicely22 uname -a SunOS cicely22 5.8 Generic_108528-01 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCclassic ticso@cicely22 which bash /bin/bash ticso@cicely22 file /bin/bash /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit MSB

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Nate Williams
# Bash has a license which precludes its inclusion as part # of the base system. [Not that I favor more shells on the root file system, but anyway:] What about gcc and grep? Does the license differ or are these not regarded being part of the base system? We would get rid of them

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Gordon Tetlow
As a preface to this whole thing, I find it higly amusing that you are sending this mail from a Linux box. Of course, for that matter, so am I. (I'm planning on changing that soon.) On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote: FreeBSD is getting military contracts now. We need to think ahead to the needs of a whole new class of admin and user, and they are in highly restrictive environments that preclude `mv /usr/local/bin/*sh /bin`. And those

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Andrew Boothman
On Monday 13 August 2001 3:08 am, The Anarcat wrote: [This email contains coarse language due to the absurdity of the thread level we're in. My apologies to those offended. Also, my apologies to the author of the original mail. You have triggered very sensitive areas of my mind. :)]

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Gordon Tetlow
Not to be a pain, but can you wrap lines at a more standard 74 columns as opposed to whatever you are currently wrapping them at? Thanks. On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: Gordon Tetlow wrote: As a preface to this whole thing, I find it higly amusing that you are sending this mail

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Steve Kargl wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 04:54:08PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote: FreeBSD is getting military contracts now. We need to think ahead to the needs of a whole new class of admin and user, and they are in highly restrictive environments that preclude

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 09:20:59PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote: After seeing that grep is a GNU tool, I'm almost tempted to try writing a BSD-style grep for the fun/exercise of it. Rather than do that, continue the development of /usr/ports/textproc/freegrep, which was started for exactly the

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:15:15PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: Actually, it is up to us to resolve this. I don't think you understand how DOD operates. The vendor makes the changes, not DOD. Not the admin. Sigh. If an admin cannot handle /bin/sh long enough to get /usr mounted, they have no

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Jos Backus
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 09:20:37PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote: After seeing that grep is a GNU tool, I'm almost tempted to try writing a BSD-style grep for the fun/exercise of it. lizzy:/usr/ports/textproc/freegrep# cat pkg-descr This is an implementation of grep(1) intended as a replacement

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 10:08:40PM -0400, The Anarcat wrote: And FreeBSD is the *vendor*? I don't think so. At least I don't hope so. Actually we *are*. Seen those ISO's up on ftp.freebsd.org?? -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:04:01 -0500 Jim Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JB I said I'd drop it, but apparently there are people that don't understand the dinosaur mentality of certain organizations such as JB DOD, DISA/DECC, OSD, DARPA, USA, USN, USAF, and USMC. JB JB If it's not in the base