Re: dc0: watchdog timeout

2000-10-24 Thread Motomichi Matsuzaki
At Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:46:26 -0400 (EDT), Andrew Gallatin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody else seeing 'dc0: watchdog timeout' since SMPng integration? Yes I have. I have this several times before SMPng integration at a high load situation. But, since the integration, it occurs frequently.

make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Makoto MATSUSHITA
(for fsck -b #) at: 32 cpio: write error: No space left on device *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** FYI: You can also fetch (last 50 lines of) logfile via: URL:ftp://current.jp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/5.0-CURRENT-20001024

Re: -current hangs during boot (UPDATING entry)

2000-10-24 Thread void
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 06:30:29PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: 5. At this time, remove ALL MFS filesystems from /etc/fstab. They can be hand mounted after bootup or via a local rc startup script. You can leave them in, with option "noauto", and mount them later with "mount -a -t

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Mike Meyer
Garrett Rooney writes: On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:49:40AM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: Well, would not be this stepping aside from BSD startup sequence, which we all know and love? Having dozens of small files instead of pair of big ones always frustrates me when I have to work with

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Terry Lambert
One of the reasons for the numbers in the SysVR4 arena is to set the order of execution so programs which other depend upon are executed first. How does the NetBSD solve this problem. Very coolly. The main rc script runs a script named `rcorder' to generate the proper order.

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Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Terry Lambert
I like the concept of them quite a bit. I think it definitely shows some thought on how to keep the advantages of each system. I would support a move toward a system like this. One thing that would be nice is a database somewhere of which of services from /etc/rc.d are running. I think

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Terry Lambert
Well, would not be this stepping aside from BSD startup sequence, which we all know and love? Having dozens of small files instead of pair of big ones always frustrates me when I have to work with linux. Install a binary package that needs to be started when the system is booted and needs to

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: Well, would not be this stepping aside from BSD startup sequence, which we all know and love? Having dozens of small files instead of pair of big ones always frustrates me when I have to work with linux. Install a binary package that needs to

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
Well, we *already* have over a dozen /etc/rc.* files on -current. And we *don't* have the advantage of a consistent interface to control all the functions in /etc/rc. If you break things up, then if you need to restart the mail server, just go "/etc/rc.d/sendmail restart". dhcpd?

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Mike Meyer
Alexey Dokuchaev writes: Well, we *already* have over a dozen /etc/rc.* files on -current. And we *don't* have the advantage of a consistent interface to control all the functions in /etc/rc. If you break things up, then if you need to restart the mail server, just go "/etc/rc.d/sendmail

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread John W. De Boskey
. *** FYI: You can also fetch (last 50 lines of) logfile via: URL:ftp://current.jp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/5.0-CURRENT-20001024-JPSNAP.log "finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]" will also provide you the same result. -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Makoto MATSUSHITA
jwd Also, I don't know how useful INET6 is to a GENERIC kernel on jwd todays' networks (faith gif are already removed). It is mandatory for FreeBSD installation via IPv6 network (via network devices; using gif(4) pseudo interface is a rare case, so it should be removed). Please keep INET6

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Will Andrews
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:51:32PM +0900, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: It is mandatory for FreeBSD installation via IPv6 network (via network devices; using gif(4) pseudo interface is a rare case, so it should be removed). Please keep INET6 option as it is. I agree with this sentiment.. please

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Makoto MATSUSHITA
will I'm sure there are better things to disable, like MFS, SYSV*, will P1003_P1B and friends, and ICMP_BANDLIM. MFS is required; don't forget we have mfsroot.flp :-) -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Will Andrews
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:27:50PM +0900, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: MFS is required; don't forget we have mfsroot.flp :-) Oh yeah... time to drink some more caffeinated pop and wake up.. -- Will Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Physics Computer Network wench To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Makoto MATSUSHITA
will I'm sure there are better things to disable, How about removing /boot/boot[12] from floppies ? --- src/release/Makefile.oldMon Oct 23 23:53:50 2000 +++ src/release/MakefileTue Oct 24 22:38:15 2000 @@ -821,7 +821,7 @@ mv ${RD}/kernels/BOOTMFS

XFree86 3.3.6_3 build dies on -current

2000-10-24 Thread Patrick Gardella
I built and installed -current on a laptop yesterday (10/23/00), and went to build XFree86 3.3.6_3 today from the ports directory. It built fine, but when you run make install, it dies, complaining of syntax errors in machine/endian.h: In file included from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:93,

Re: XFree86 3.3.6_3 build dies on -current

2000-10-24 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
In file included from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:93, from vgaHW.c:44: /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__uint16_swap_unit32' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__x' snip I've not seen this reported before, nor a work around. I don't know

Re: XFree86 3.3.6_3 build dies on -current

2000-10-24 Thread Patrick Gardella
"Rogier R. Mulhuijzen" wrote: In file included from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:93, from vgaHW.c:44: /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__uint16_swap_unit32' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__x' snip I've not seen this reported

Re: XFree86 3.3.6_3 build dies on -current

2000-10-24 Thread Steve Kargl
Rogier R. Mulhuijzen wrote: In file included from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:93, from vgaHW.c:44: /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__uint16_swap_unit32' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:72: syntax error before `__x' snip I've not seen this reported

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 08:59:36AM +, Terry Lambert wrote: Oh... and the PROVIDE/REQUIRE/WANT lists really, really want to be "per service name" rather than per program name, so I could, for example, have a service that depends on "smtpserv", and not care if it was sendmail or qmail or

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:15:12 -0500, Will Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree with this sentiment.. please leave INET6 support in the GENERIC kernel. I'm sure there are better things to disable, like MFS, SYSV*, P1003_P1B and friends, and ICMP_BANDLIM. Um, let's only disable things that

Review: offsetof/struct.h/fldoff patch.

2000-10-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Please test review this patch: http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/offsetof.patch - Define offsetof() in sys/types.h for the kernel and in stddef.h for userland. #ifdef the definition in stddef.h and sys/types.h so that we don't need N identical definitions in machine/ansi.h

pccard_ether wouldn't kill dhclient when card is removed

2000-10-24 Thread Motomichi Matsuzaki
patch for revision 1.20: --- /etc/pccard_ether Thu Oct 19 16:24:35 2000 +++ pccard_etherWed Oct 25 01:27:05 2000 @@ -46,7 +46,7 @@ interface=$1 shift -startstop=$2 +startstop=$1 shift case ${startstop} in @@ -101,7 +101,7 @@ ;; # Stop the interface *) -

Re: Review: offsetof/struct.h/fldoff patch.

2000-10-24 Thread Julian Elischer
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Please test review this patch: http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/offsetof.patch - Define offsetof() in sys/types.h for the kernel and in stddef.h for userland. #ifdef the definition in stddef.h and sys/types.h so that we don't need N

Re: cvs commit: src/share/examples/drivers make_device_driver.sh

2000-10-24 Thread Julian Elischer
Julian Elischer wrote: Over the last 3 yearrs or so I've been ignoring the device interface. but now I think it's stabilised to a point where it's worth learning about its new form. So I decided that the best way to try understand the newbus stuff (and other associated stuff) was to try use

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:55:42 -0400 "John W. De Boskey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: jwd The following patch brings the floppy size down enough to fix jwd the problem. One is a leftover from the config file syntax jwd change. Also, I don't know how useful INET6 is to a GENERIC jwd kernel on todays'

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Christopher Masto
The solution is very simple. Put a statically linked Perl in /sbin, and write the startup system in Perl. For user convenience, it should have a Gnome interface and a PostgreSQL backend, so we should also put X and pgsql in /sbin. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey

Re: Review: offsetof/struct.h/fldoff patch.

2000-10-24 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
Please test review this patch: http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/offsetof.patch I believe that several drivers include stddef.h to get offsetof. I think most of these files are flagged by "/* for offsetof */". -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
/me hands Chris SARCASM and /SARCASM DocWilco At 13:50 24-10-2000 -0400, you wrote: The solution is very simple. Put a statically linked Perl in /sbin, and write the startup system in Perl. For user convenience, it should have a Gnome interface and a PostgreSQL backend, so we should

Re: Review: offsetof/struct.h/fldoff patch.

2000-10-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Justin T. Gibbs" wri tes: Please test review this patch: http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/offsetof.patch I believe that several drivers include stddef.h to get offsetof. I think most of these files are flagged by "/* for offsetof */". Right, in fact there are

Re: entropy reseeding is totally broken

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= writes: : In very recent -current, my entropy file writted and readed sucessfully, : but I got the same fortune quote again and again right after reboot! : : It means that anything writted to /dev/random not reseed it but _reset_ it

Re: -current hangs during boot

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leif Neland writes: : Hi there, : : I've done a very recent week's make world(S) on -current, making : and installing world and kernel go fine, but all hang on boot, : with no error codes or msgs. : : Solution: Due to changes in the random/entropy stuff,

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "David O'Brien" writes: : At BSDcon Luke M showed me what the NetBSD 1.5 rc files look like. : They've moved them all to /etc/rc.d/ and made them very granular (as : SVR4, but w/o leading numbers in the filenames). The NetBSD : implementation also solved all the

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Vermillion writes: : One of the reasons for the numbers in the SysVR4 arena is to : set the order of execution so programs which other depend upon : are executed first. How does the NetBSD solve this problem. The scripts themselves have the ordering

Re: Please review: PC-Card melody beep code.

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Finch writes: : I tried this on 4.1.1-STABLE with two pccards: a D-Link DE660 and a : Lucent Wavelan card. The de card workedd fine, but the success melody : beep for the wi card was several times slower than it should be. I can : get more information if you need

Re: HEADS UP: sendmail related changes

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Akinori MUSHA" writes: : Would you add an UPDATING entry for this? Many people have been : reporting problems with the local mailer not knowing these changes. It is on my queue of things to add to UPDATING as I find the time. I'll try to get to it quickly. Warner

Re: My Cardbus and Xircom Realport Ethernet II 10/100 experience...

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message 006d01c03d2e$36cf0220$[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ron Klinkien" writes: : According to files in /usr/src/sys/dev/xe/* the card is supported by the xe : driver. The cardbus version of the Xircom cards use the dc driver. Was it compiled into your kernel? I've used the ethernet old card

make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread John W. De Boskey
Ok, folks want INET6. It's back.. It's been pointed out to me by "Thomas D. Dean" [EMAIL PROTECTED] that the 'le' driver does not work. Can someone provide additional information about why it's in GENERIC? Other candidates I've been pointed to include the removal of /boot/boot[12] and NFS

Re: current hangs when boot

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Matthew N. Dodd" writes: : On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Brian O'Shea wrote: : I am also having this problem. If you interrupt it (with ^\ to send : SIGQUIT), ldconfig generates a core. Then ldconfig will hang while : setting a.out ldconfig path: : : ^C also works. :

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Matthew N. Dodd" writes: : On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: : Well if you're that stubborn there's no reason that the "new" layout : could not be compiled into a monolithic script. In fact perhaps you : could be the one to step forward and write

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jacques A. Vidrine" writes: : By the way, the author of this stuff (Luke Mewburn) says he'll post a : summary of the design and implementation issues to this list in a few : days. I talked to Luke at BSDcon about many issues. He's very keen on increasing the

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "John W. De Boskey" writes: : The following patch brings the floppy size down enough to fix : the problem. One is a leftover from the config file syntax : change. Also, I don't know how useful INET6 is to a GENERIC : kernel on todays' networks (faith gif are already

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "John W. De Boskey" writes: : It's been pointed out to me by "Thomas D. Dean" : [EMAIL PROTECTED] that the 'le' driver does : not work. Can someone provide additional information : about why it's in GENERIC? Likely because it compiles and the devices are rare enough

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:59:20PM +0900, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: Maybe kernel image for kern.flp is a little bit larger than a 1.44MB floppy. I just diked out more bits. Lets see if that will give us enough space on tonights snapshot build. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 08:15:12AM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: I'm sure there are better things to disable, like MFS, SYSV*, P1003_P1B and friends, and ICMP_BANDLIM. Only SYSVMSG is removed for the i386 case. SYS* for the Alpha. I'm assuming the SYS* left compiled in on the i386 is for X?

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:32:16PM +0200, John Hay wrote: Why not remove NFS? That is what I do here when the snap floppy gets too big. How many people install using NFS? (And can't easily change to ftp.) Many. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: dc0: watchdog timeout

2000-10-24 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Motomichi Matsuzaki writes: At Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:46:26 -0400 (EDT), Andrew Gallatin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody else seeing 'dc0: watchdog timeout' since SMPng integration? Yes I have. I have this several times before SMPng integration at a high load situation.

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:44:31PM +0900, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: How about removing /boot/boot[12] from floppies ? Committed! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: apm is a good one to remove. We used to, but we were trying to remove `apm0' from GENERIC. I've fixed to just `apm'. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Gerhard Sittig
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 16:14 +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: Well, would not be this stepping aside from BSD startup sequence, which we all know and love? Having dozens of small files instead of pair of big ones always frustrates me when I

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
We used to, but we were trying to remove `apm0' from GENERIC. I've fixed to just `apm'. Might it be a good idea to make a INSTALL kernel config and a GENERIC config? INSTALL goes on the floppies and has just enough for all the different sorts of installations. GENERIC has almost LINT

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Motomichi Matsuzaki
Hi. At Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:15:09 -0700, David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other candidates I've been pointed to include the removal of /boot/boot[12] and NFS IMO NFS needs to stay. It is *very* useful to many (including me). I vote for 'remove NFS away'. Yes, there are many people

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 04:48:14AM +0900, Motomichi Matsuzaki wrote: Other candidates I've been pointed to include the removal of /boot/boot[12] and NFS IMO NFS needs to stay. It is *very* useful to many (including me). I vote for 'remove NFS away'. Yes, there are many people using

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:42:54PM +0200, Rogier R. Mulhuijzen wrote: We used to, but we were trying to remove `apm0' from GENERIC. I've fixed to just `apm'. Might it be a good idea to make a INSTALL kernel config and a GENERIC config? Nope, the two would be quickly out of sync. What

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
Before removing NFS, I'd remove the new `ncv', `nsp', and `stg' drivers. Not to mention the `vpo' Parellel port Zip drive device. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: -current hangs during boot (UPDATING entry)

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 06:30:29PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: 2. Make sure your kernel includes: devicerandom # Entropy device Are you implying the random.ko module is broken? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current"

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:05:49AM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: Still, it would be better if I could choose between "classical" and "new" startup layout, say, somewhere at the installation stage. Supporting two very different schemes is a support nightmare. And giveing good test coverage

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:49:40AM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: Having dozens of small files instead of pair of big ones always frustrates me when I have to work with linux. Maybe, but the greatly increased functionality makes it worth it. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GNU is

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:23:40PM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: Why can't I simply write kill -1 `cat /var/run/sendmail.pid`? What about deamons that don't understand `kill -HUP'? Sendmail didn't until very reciently. ``/etc/rc.d/some-deamon restart'' does the right thing reguardless how

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread John Baldwin
On 24-Oct-00 David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:42:54PM +0200, Rogier R. Mulhuijzen wrote: We used to, but we were trying to remove `apm0' from GENERIC. I've fixed to just `apm'. Might it be a good idea to make a INSTALL kernel config and a GENERIC config? Nope, the two

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Motomichi Matsuzaki
At Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:08:26 -0700, David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for 'remove NFS away'. Yes, there are many people using NFS install, but it is site-specific. And INET6 isn't site specific. It certainly is everywhere but maybe .jp. I think INET6 is a grobal and public

Re: -current hangs during boot (UPDATING entry)

2000-10-24 Thread John W. De Boskey
It didn't work without the device line when I tested it last week(Thursday/Friday). -John - David O'Brien's Original Message - On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 06:30:29PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: 2. Make sure your kernel includes: device random # Entropy

Fw: My Cardbus and Xircom Realport Ethernet II 10/100 experience...

2000-10-24 Thread Ron Klinkien
Nice work those pccard stuff... Ahum I ment cardbus stuff.. ;-) Anyway my Xircom Realport II Cardbus 10/100 Mb card works ok now It's one of those red double height ones with a RJ45 jack built into it... Maybe something to mention in the docs to use the dc driver with it. Ron. To

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Mike Smith
will I'm sure there are better things to disable, like MFS, SYSV*, will P1003_P1B and friends, and ICMP_BANDLIM. MFS is required; don't forget we have mfsroot.flp :-) The name is historical; we use md(4) not MFS. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread John W. De Boskey
- David O'Brien's Original Message - On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:36:44PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: the 'le' driver does not work. Can someone provide additional information about why it's in GENERIC? Get confirmation that it does not work (one user isn't suffient in my

BSDcon Was: Re: current hangs when boot

2000-10-24 Thread Andy Farkas
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Warner Losh wrote: We also found at bsdcon that lots of keystrokes would also make the system boot. Warner For those of us that couldn't go, has anybody posted pictures from the con yet? ...any kind of pictures - not just ones of keyboard bashing... -- :{ [EMAIL

Re: -current hangs during boot (UPDATING entry)

2000-10-24 Thread Steve Kargl
You need to put random_load="YES" into /boot/loader.conf. Optionally, you can load random.ko during the boot process. John W. De Boskey wrote: It didn't work without the device line when I tested it last week(Thursday/Friday). - David O'Brien's Original Message - On Mon, Oct

Re: Fw: My Cardbus and Xircom Realport Ethernet II 10/100 experience...

2000-10-24 Thread Ron Klinkien
In message 016501c03dfa$e7951780$[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ron Klinkien" writes: : Maybe something to mention in the docs to use the dc driver with it. We need a good way to list known supported cards (not just pccard or cardbus) in a driver's man page. Warner Maybe an idea to create a new man

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
[redirected to just -current; I'm not sure what this has to do with -net] I agree. I've been using them for a while on my dog slow Windows CE machine. There were some minor issues when they were first committed to NetBSD on some platforms (due to a too early use of ps and some brokeness in

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the reasons the SYSV scripts have the numeric prefix is so that you know exactly

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:58:08PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the reasons

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Only SYSVMSG is removed for the i386 case. SYS* for the Alpha. I'm assuming the SYS* left compiled in on the i386 is for X? That is correct. It's not mandatory, but it emits a scary-looking error message when X starts up and a lot of folks were commenting on it, so I put it (SYSVSHM) back

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:58:08PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the reasons

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Bill Vermillion
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:58:08PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard thus spoke: The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Mike Meyer
Jordan Hubbard writes: [redirected to just -current; I'm not sure what this has to do with -net] I agree. I've been using them for a while on my dog slow Windows CE machine. There were some minor issues when they were first committed to NetBSD on some platforms (due to a too early use of

Re: current hangs when boot

2000-10-24 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:38:41PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Matthew N. Dodd" writes: : On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Brian O'Shea wrote: : I am also having this problem. If you interrupt it (with ^\ to send : SIGQUIT), ldconfig generates a core. Then ldconfig will

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:36:44PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: Ok, folks want INET6. It's back.. It's been pointed out to me by "Thomas D. Dean" [EMAIL PROTECTED] that the 'le' driver does not work. Can someone provide additional information That is correct. See kern/19219. I've

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 04:48:14AM +0900, Motomichi Matsuzaki wrote: Hi. At Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:15:09 -0700, David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other candidates I've been pointed to include the removal of /boot/boot[12] and NFS IMO NFS needs to stay. It is *very* useful to

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
So, who wants to do a proof-of-concept implementation for -current which integrates with our existing rc.conf mechanism? In order to obey POLA, we should at least have the separate scripts switch off the same knobs whenever possible. It's something I'd be willing to do, I guess. I have some

Re: XFree86 3.3.6_3 build dies on -current

2000-10-24 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Patrick Gardella wrote: I built and installed -current on a laptop yesterday (10/23/00), and went to build XFree86 3.3.6_3 today from the ports directory. It built fine, but when you run make install, it dies, complaining of syntax errors in machine/endian.h: In file included from

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:49:41PM -0400, John W. De Boskey wrote: IMO NFS needs to stay. It is *very* useful to many (including me). I haven't removed it. But it is an option. I was a very heavy user of NFS, but it didn't matter to jkh when he removed it last time. The switch to ftp

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
Again. There is no public NFS servers for distributing FreeBSD as I know. You can't get any FreeBSD, even if you sends NFS packets to the Internet. Can I and anybody access your favorite NFS servers? I think this misses the point. Not everyone installs FreeBSD from public servers and, in

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
[Why is -current on the cc line twice? One instance removed] I haven't removed it. But it is an option. I was a very heavy user of NFS, but it didn't matter to jkh when he removed it last time. The switch to ftp isn't hard. Well, that's not quite accurate. It did matter, it just seemed

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Motomichi Matsuzaki
At Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:28:41 +0200, Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO NFS needs to stay. It is *very* useful to many (including me). I vote for 'remove NFS away'. Yes, there are many people using NFS install, but it is site-specific. The same argument goes for IPV6. In other

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:23:40PM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: Why can't I simply write kill -1 `cat /var/run/sendmail.pid`? What about deamons that don't understand `kill -HUP'? Sendmail didn't until very reciently. ``/etc/rc.d/some-deamon

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
and, to reply a second time to this message, it is recomputed at each boot... the rc and rc.shutdown scripts both run rcorder to do it, with rc.shutdown reversing the order. Ah, OK, sorry - I must have missed this the first time around. I'll have to investigate the workings of rcorder then.

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Jordan Hubbard
I'm in the midst of trying to install NetBSD so I can look at this. If no one else steps forward to do it, I can put together a patch. I've had several replies, so why don't we all look into this a bit and see which one of us actually manages to have enough steam to do it after the analysis

Re: make release breakage - dokern.sh patch 2

2000-10-24 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
Believe me, if we were to put out a serious call to kill NFS from the installation boot images, you'd very quickly hear from all of those people and they would be screaming. We need to exhaust all other possibilities before we even contemplate that option. Are there maybe other large pieces

Re: make release breakage on today's -current

2000-10-24 Thread Makoto MATSUSHITA
msmith The name is historical; we use md(4) not MFS. I should read md(4) manpage... sorry. -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

sysinstall's console keymap menu

2000-10-24 Thread Jun Kuriyama
Hi Jordan, How about this patch to display keymap menu correctly with 80 column width console? # If someone have a good idea to abbrevate "(accent)" string, # I'd like to trim this word to reduce left column width of this menu. -- Jun Kuriyama [EMAIL PROTECTED] // IMG SRC, Inc.

Re: -current hangs during boot (UPDATING entry)

2000-10-24 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, John W. De Boskey wrote: I'm beginning to think we need an updating entry. 1. Make sure /dev/random exists 'cd /dev sh MAKEDEV std' Unless you are using devfs. 2. Make sure your kernel includes: devicerandom # Entropy device

smp instability

2000-10-24 Thread Chuck Robey
I'm having rather extreme problems with stability on my dual PIII setup. I know this is to be expected, but it's gotten so extreme on my system, I can't spend more than a few minutes before it locks up. Is there any chance that I could make things better by using a sysctl to tell the box it's

Re: smp instability

2000-10-24 Thread Mike Meyer
Chuck Robey writes: I'm having rather extreme problems with stability on my dual PIII setup. I know this is to be expected, but it's gotten so extreme on my system, I can't spend more than a few minutes before it locks up. Is there any chance that I could make things better by using a

RE: smp instability

2000-10-24 Thread John Baldwin
On 25-Oct-00 Chuck Robey wrote: I'm having rather extreme problems with stability on my dual PIII setup. I know this is to be expected, but it's gotten so extreme on my system, I can't spend more than a few minutes before it locks up. Is there any chance that I could make things better by

RE: smp instability

2000-10-24 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, John Baldwin wrote: On 25-Oct-00 Chuck Robey wrote: I'm having rather extreme problems with stability on my dual PIII setup. I know this is to be expected, but it's gotten so extreme on my system, I can't spend more than a few minutes before it locks up. Is

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 2:58 PM -0700 10/24/00, Jordan Hubbard wrote: The scripts themselves have the ordering dependencies. The startup system runs them in the proper order. I don't know if this is pre-computed or redone each boot. I'm really curious about this, myself. One of the reasons the SYSV scripts

Re: smp instability

2000-10-24 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Mike Meyer wrote: Chuck Robey writes: I'm having rather extreme problems with stability on my dual PIII setup. I know this is to be expected, but it's gotten so extreme on my system, I can't spend more than a few minutes before it locks up. Is there any chance

Re: new rc.network6 and rc.firewall6

2000-10-24 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: One should have some other script that you could run, which would look thru all the rc files and just list which order they will be run at startup (or at shutdown). That way you could find out the order for a given set of

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