Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Nate Williams: How do you cause 'vacation' to not send messages to the list? Doesn't the stock 'vacation' program as shipped in FreeBSD send them to the list? It is supposed to notice that the mail has a Precedence: header and not send any vacation notice to any mail with one.

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Jonathan M. Bresler: thanks for the note on bouncefilter. i'll take a look at it. Someday, when you have 5 minutes free (aha!) have a look at Listar. It is a small, fast and feature-full list manager written in C with automatic bounce handling (among other things). www.listar.org

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Anton Berezin
On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 06:46:15PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: Someday, when you have 5 minutes free (aha!) have a look at Listar. It is a small, fast and feature-full list manager written in C with automatic bounce handling (among other things). Hmm, it sends mails itself. I doubt it can

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
listar.orgi'll take a look. thanks for the pointer. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread David Scheidt
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Jonathan M. Bresler: thanks for the note on bouncefilter. i'll take a look at it. Someday, when you have 5 minutes free (aha!) have a look at Listar. It is a small, fast and feature-full list manager written in C with automatic

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Anton Berezin: Hmm, it sends mails itself. I doubt it can do this more effectively than postfix does. Am I wrong? Yes :-) Postfix, as discussion with Wietse showed recently, is more optimized to mail flowing through the SMTP port (like Listar does) than through the sendmail

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
finished, pending acquistion of a round tuit. Olliver Robert should be able to get on in France and bring it to the FreeBSDCon. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:30 PM +0200 1999/10/14, Anton Berezin wrote: Hmm, it sends mails itself. I doubt it can do this more effectively than postfix does. Am I wrong? I quote from the README file: You probably want to create a listar user/group so that the program runs as an unpriveledged user.

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Andre Oppermann
Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:11 PM +0200 1999/10/12, Andre Oppermann wrote: They must be crazy to run a several million recipients mailing list with sendmail... You don't know all the hacks that they made to sendmail to make it perform at previously unheard of

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Ben, Majordomo has this facility, sending periodic reminder messages; it is the bounces mailing list . I used it for a couple months. The results were less than satisfactory. Most people stayed on the bounces mailing list indefinately. ;( jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:19 PM +0200 1999/10/13, Andre Oppermann wrote: That is something qmail has done since the beginning. With respect to qmail, I have no knowledge of that. I do know that this feature was available in the first public beta of Postfix. It was introduced early in the "alpha" stage

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
thanks for the note on bouncefilter. i'll take a look at it. may be just what i am looking for.. may be better than what i am using already. always interested in somethatngthat will help me do this better. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current"

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Jason K. Fritcher" wrote: I must say that Jonathan has been more than fair. About a year, maybe a year and a half ago, I didn't have a dedicated connection, and was doing smtp on demand, with my ISP spooling mail for me when I wasn't online. On average, I would get approximate, 20-30

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: "Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs the

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Andre Oppermann
Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: thanks for the note on bouncefilter. i'll take a look at it. may be just what i am looking for.. may be better than what i am using already. always interested in somethatngthat will help me do this better. That is what I was talking about. With ezmlm there is

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:23 PM +0200 1999/10/12, Andre Oppermann wrote: I know some guys with list's in the three digit k to one digit M range which don't have to deal with bounces at any time. I know it's hard to believe but it's true and I can provide you with names where one can ask for confirmation.

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Andre Oppermann
Brad Knowles wrote: At 9:23 PM +0200 1999/10/12, Andre Oppermann wrote: I know some guys with list's in the three digit k to one digit M range which don't have to deal with bounces at any time. I know it's hard to believe but it's true and I can provide you with names where one can

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-12 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
Ben Smithurst wrote... Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: i do NOT send the person mail to inform them that the are being removed from the mailing lists, because their email is bouncing. How about sending a message to them once every 24 hours for, say, a week? I imagine some of those

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
"Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs the mailing lists, then I just don't care that much.

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Nate Williams
"Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs the mailing lists, then I just don't care that

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
"Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs the mailing lists, then I just don't care that

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nate Williams) "Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
"Accidental" removals from the lists are so common that I give up. I no longer even try to get back on them -- it's been happening for _years_ now, and I have made multiple complaints about it, and if it's not a problem for whoever runs the mailing lists, then I just don't care

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Kip Macy
I know that this is not the place to hype one's own wares, but if your lists have fewer than 200 people, why not just use the free version of lyris. One of its many features is sophisticated bounce handling. -Kip On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Sean Eric Fagan

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 11:21:52AM -0700, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: only one comment. i remove people from the lists whenever their email bounces. the threshhold is approximately 30 messages in a 24 hour period. mail may bounce due to DNS

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Sean, you are subscribed in different ways to different lists. cvs-all:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-alpha:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-bugs:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-chat:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-config:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-current:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freebsd-emulation:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Five years of people finding themselves mysteriously removed from lists, with no response other than, "Oh, I just remove people automatically without warning if I get too many bounces, and, no, I don't have any bounces from you but that must have been what happened." some people

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread Jason K. Fritcher
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Whatever method he is using is not working very well, and it has not worked very well for a very long time. I must say that Jonathan has been more than fair. About a year, maybe a year and a half ago, I didn't

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: when the MTA gives up trying to deliver the mail, i call it bounced. so a 500 series error from the other MTA means the email has bounced. Have you considered using bouncefilter for this? I'm using it for the PostgreSQL mailnig

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-10 Thread Nate Williams
Maybe no-one is listenning on 'arch' any more, or maybe 'arch' doesn't work? (the only responders got it via 'core') Interesting. It appears that somehow I got 'unsubscribed' from arch. Not sure why, but in May I was subscribed, but I'm no longer subscribed. Did everyone

Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-10 Thread Nate Williams
[Mayhaps too many Cc:'s kept in order to reach relevant audience] Thanks, sorry about the X-posting... On Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 02:57:55PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: I Can't believe this email only produced TWO responses! I would have thought that this wouldhav brought out the