Programs loading but sitting in limbo whilst not displaying

2009-01-27 Thread Warren Liddell
Im running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64 KDE4.1.4 and recently for no reason i can 
think of when i try and load FireFox or Thunderbird, according to my process 
list, the applications are running, but yet they dont ever show up in KDE to 
use//liaise with.  I have even started them from command line but again, 
nothing, it just sits there, no error msg, but process list again, sais there 
running.  

I have tried recompiling both ports with no success and im runnin gout of 
theorys as to whats happening.

Any ideas/thoughts welcomed.
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Re: /rescue is huge!!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar



ls -li /rescue

total 427594
26 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 [
64 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 atacontrol
65 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 atm
66 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 atmconfig
67 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 badsect
68 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 bsdlabel
69 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 bunzip2
70 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 bzcat
71 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 bzip2
72 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 camcontrol
73 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  3324376 Jan 12  2007 cat


do
cd /rescue
echo * >/tmp/xxx
edit /tmp/xxx - remove all files that doesn't have 3324376 size, and
one file of 3324376, say it will be cat
then
rm `cat /tmp/xxx`
for x in `cat /tmp/xxx`;do ln cat $x;done

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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

to me like they've gone to compete with Vista and have succeeded there,
but I find some of the little extras and the core of it seem unfinished
somehow. The concept is good (in that it could compete with Vista), but


no it's bad. if they wat compete with windows, let they do the whole OS, 
and one that runs windoze binaries directly.

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portupgrade dies during upgrade of x11

2009-01-27 Thread Ewald Jenisch
Hi,

During an upgrade of my ports involving x11 portupgrade dies (FreeBSD
7.1, AMD64)



Here's what I did: After cvsup, make fetchindex, I did a pkgdb -F and
then portupgrade -rf libxcb as per UPDATING of 20090123.

Next I did a pkgdb -F again, which complained about obsoleted packages
while at the same time telling me that they're still needed, so I
didn'd de-install them:

# pkgdb -F
--->  Checking the package registry database
Stale origin: 'x11/xorg-protos': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
-> The port 'x11/xorg-protos' was removed on 2009-01-23 because:
"Not really necessary"
-> Hint:  xorg-protos-7.3_2 is required by the following package(s):
xorg-7.3_2
-> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
 -> No files installed by xorg-protos-7.3_2 have been overwritten by other 
packages.
Deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2 ? [no]
Stale origin: 'x11/xphelloworld': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
-> The port 'x11/xphelloworld' was removed on 2009-01-24 because:
"Xprint application, deprecated upstream"
-> Hint:  xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 is required by the following package(s):
xorg-7.3_2
xorg-apps-7.3
-> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
 -> No files installed by xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 have been overwritten by other 
packages.
Deinstall xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 ? [no]
Duplicated origin: delete - xorg-protos-7.3_2 xphelloworld-1.0.1_1
Unregister any of them? [no]
Stale dependency: xorg-7.3_2 -> add (x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome):
Fixed. (-> xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.903)
Stale dependency: xorg-7.3_2 -> xinput-1.4.0 (x11/xinput):
xinit-1.1.1 (score:18%) ? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [no]
Install stale dependency? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [yes] a
[Gathering depends for x11/xinput 
. done]
--->  Installing 'xinput-1.4.0' from a port (x11/xinput)
--->  Building '/usr/ports/x11/xinput'
.
.
.
===>   Compressing manual pages for xinput-1.4.0
===>   Registering installation for xinput-1.4.0
===>  Cleaning for xinput-1.4.0
Fixed. (-> xinput-1.4.0)
Stale dependency: xorg-apps-7.3 -> xinput-1.4.0 (x11/xinput):
xinput-1.4.0 ? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [yes] a
Fixed. (-> xinput-1.4.0)
# 



After that I started portupgrade -arR which died in the following way:

# portupgrade -arR
** Port marked as IGNORE: x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga:
is marked as broken: Needs to be removed
** Port marked as IGNORE: x11-drivers/xf86-video-via:
requires pciVideoPtr typedef
** Port directory not found: x11/xorg-protos
** Port directory not found: x11/xphelloworld
--->  Skipping 'x11/xorg-apps' (xorg-apps-7.3) because a requisite package 
'xphelloworld-1.0.1_1' (x11/xphelloworld) failed (specify -k to force)
--->  Skipping 'x11-drivers/xorg-drivers' (xorg-drivers-7.3_3) because a 
requisite package 'xf86-video-vga-4.1.0_2' (x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga) failed 
(specify -k to force)
--->  Skipping 'x11/xorg' (xorg-7.3_2) because a requisite package 
'xorg-apps-7.3' (x11/xorg-apps) failed (specify -k to force)
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
- x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga (marked as IGNORE)
- x11-drivers/xf86-video-via (marked as IGNORE)
- x11/xorg-protos (port directory error)
- x11/xphelloworld (port directory error)
* x11/xorg-apps (xorg-apps-7.3)
* x11-drivers/xorg-drivers (xorg-drivers-7.3_3)
* x11/xorg (xorg-7.3_2)
#


I've also tried to uninstall x11/xorg-protos during pkgdb -F which
also died:

# pkgdb -F
--->  Checking the package registry database
Stale origin: 'x11/xorg-protos': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
-> The port 'x11/xorg-protos' was removed on 2009-01-23 because:
"Not really necessary"
-> Hint:  xorg-protos-7.3_2 is required by the following package(s):
xorg-7.3_2
-> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
 -> No files installed by xorg-protos-7.3_2 have been overwritten by other 
packages.
Deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2 ? [no] yes
--->  Deinstalling 'xorg-protos-7.3_2'
pkg_delete: package 'xorg-protos-7.3_2' is required by these other packages
and may not be deinstalled:
xorg-7.3_2
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
! xorg-protos-7.3_2 (pkg_delete failed)
Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/local/sbin/pkg_deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2
#



Any way to resolve this?

Thanks much in advance for any clue,
-ewald
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FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Hello all.

What we have:
Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
All latest version from ports.


After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day 
with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.


We swap RAM - not helps.
We swap chassis - not helps.
I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
(well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)

In attach screens of error what i have to catch.


Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?

--
Best regards,
Proskurin Kirill
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

card because the latest NVidia binary driver doesn't support it). KDE3.5 does
what I want my window manager to do - keeps out of my way and works snappily
enough that I don't notice it.
The claim that KDE4 is faster than KDE3 is frankly incredible to me.


fastest and most stable is not using it at all.

it doesn't offer anything.
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Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
2X 250GB SATA drives that I've established a gmirror(8) over, following the 
instructions in section 19.4 of the Handbook.


Now, one of the machines, being transformed into a webserver, needs a 
separate, newly created /var/www partition (its current partitions only take 
up 27G of the total ~238G available).


My dilemma is -- how do I add another partition without hosing the system?


normally

bsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/yourmirror

and add partition
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
- Original Message 

> From: Proskurin Kirill 
> To: freebsd-questions 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:07:25 PM
> Subject: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> What we have:
> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
> All latest version from ports.
> 
> 
> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day with no 
> reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
> 
> We swap RAM - not helps.
> We swap chassis - not helps.
> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)
> 
> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
> 
> 
> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?
> 
> -- Best regards,
> Proskurin Kirill

I think you should upgrade to FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE at least, if not -STABLE.

 Regards,

-Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
Arab Portal
http://www.WeArab.Net/



  

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Re: FreeBSD 7.1 SMP on IBM x330 Dual Processor server

2009-01-27 Thread Ewald Jenisch
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:57:50PM -0700, Tom Everett wrote:
> I'm running the "stock" FreeBSD 7.1 kernel on an IBM x330 machine.  The  
> machine has two physical processors but it seems that FreeBSD 7.1 on  
> sees one.  I downloaded the kernel source and it seems that the GENERIC  
> kernel has SMP installed.  Is there something else I can try?  Thanks in  
> advance for your wisdom.

Have you already tried to build a kernel for your system using the
latest sources, i.e. cvsup-ing the sources and build your own
system/kernel (see e.g. 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html)

HTH
-ewald
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote:

- Original Message 


From: Proskurin Kirill 
To: freebsd-questions 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:07:25 PM
Subject: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

Hello all.

What we have:
Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
All latest version from ports.


After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day with no 
reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.


We swap RAM - not helps.
We swap chassis - not helps.
I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
(well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)

In attach screens of error what i have to catch.


Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?


 > I think you should upgrade to FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE at least, if not 
-STABLE.


Well - why I must do this? It is was a some problems with 7.0?
I don`t want to do this just to do this. Well - if nothing helps may be.

--
Best regards,
Proskurin Kirill
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> What we have:
> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
> All latest version from ports.
> 
> 
> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day 
> with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
> 
> We swap RAM - not helps.
> We swap chassis - not helps.
> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)
> 
> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
> 
> 
> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?


Check the fan on the CPU. Probably it's dead or malfunctioning. Also
check the heat sink underneath the fan. It could be dirty and blocking
the airflow.


Regards,
Mikhail.
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
- Original Message 

> From: Proskurin Kirill 
> To: Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri ; FreeBSD Questions 
> Mailing List 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:45:46 PM
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950
> 
> Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote:
> > - Original Message 
> > 
> >> From: Proskurin Kirill 
> >> To: freebsd-questions 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:07:25 PM
> >> Subject: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >>
> >> What we have:
> >> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
> >> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
> >> All latest version from ports.
> >>
> >>
> >> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day with 
> >> no 
> >> reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
> >>
> >> We swap RAM - not helps.
> >> We swap chassis - not helps.
> >> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
> >> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)
> >>
> >> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?
> 
>   > I think you should upgrade to FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE at least, if not 
> -STABLE.
> 
> Well - why I must do this? It is was a some problems with 7.0?
> I don`t want to do this just to do this. Well - if nothing helps may be.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Proskurin Kirill

Because there are many bugs were in 7.0 and got fixed in 7.1, and maybe you are 
affected by one of them.

 Regards,

-Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
Arab Portal
http://www.WeArab.Net/



  

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Re: jail devfs openpty

2009-01-27 Thread Peter Vereshagin
It appeared to work after rule apply unhide. Will find out more. Just how to 
delete or view the ruleset? Thanks.

Seem to get on it. Looks like it's not very obvious. The cure was:
===
devfs -m /jailpath/dev rule -s 5 add type tty unhide
===

the unobvious for me was to put -s in the right place. And, I'm still in 
question how should I delete the ruleset once added for devfs.
Thanks all.

2009/01/25 17:08:14 -0900 Mel  => To 
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :


73! Peter
-- 
http://vereshagin.org
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Mikhail Goriachev wrote:

Proskurin Kirill wrote:

Hello all.

What we have:
Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
All latest version from ports.


After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day 
with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.


We swap RAM - not helps.
We swap chassis - not helps.
I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
(well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)



Check the fan on the CPU. Probably it's dead or malfunctioning. Also
check the heat sink underneath the fan. It could be dirty and blocking
the airflow.


No - fan is work good. It is not a heat problem.

--
Best regards,
Proskurin Kirill
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ddclient broken after portupgrade

2009-01-27 Thread Joris Lammers
Hi,

Yesterday evening I tried upgrading my ports by using the portupgrade tool.
The exact command that I used was:

portupgrade -a --batch

All but one package failed to build properly. The offending package was git.
For some reason it could not find the p5-xyz module while these were
properly installed. Not able to get around the problem I finally tried the
FORCE_PKG_REGISTER approach after reading about this on the net and in the
output of the portupgrade run.

This installed git and I thought everything was running fine till today.
After rebooting I saw ddclient was no longer able to run. If I check
/var/log/messages it complains that it can't load p5-IO-Socket-SSL.

I can't get ddclient to work. A "make deinstall; make reinstall" does not
work. Currently I am trying "portupgrade -a -f --batch" to try and rebuild
every port on my system.

What could have been the original problem with git and how can I get out of
this nasty situation?

My system is running FreeBSD 7.1-p2.

Regards,
Joris
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portupgrade xorg-server failure

2009-01-27 Thread Alain G. Fabry
When I try to upgrade my xorg-server, it fails with the following error, 
apparently it is looking for dri_interface.h (and I have /graphics/dri 
installed).

 cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../include -I../hw/xfree86/os-support 
-I../hw/xfree86/os-su
 pport/bus -I../hw/xfree86/common -I../hw/xfree86/dri -I../hw/xfree86/dri2 
-I../mi -DH
 AVE_DIX_CONFIG_H -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes 
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wmis
 sing-declarations -Wnested-externs -fno-strict-aliasing -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-DHAS_FCHOWN -D
 HAS_STICKY_DIR_BIT -D_THREAD_SAFE -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE 
-I/usr/local/include -
 I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 
-I/usr/local/include/hal
 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include 
-I../include -I..
 /include -I../Xext -I../composite -I../damageext -I../xfixes -I../Xi -I../mi 
-I../mie
 xt/shadow -I../miext/damage -I../render -I../randr -I../fb -D_THREAD_SAFE 
-I/usr/loca
 l/include -I/usr/local/include/drm -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/local/i
 nclude -I/usr/local/include/drm -I/usr/local/include/X11/dri -DXFree86Server 
-O2 -fno
 -strict-aliasing -pipe -MT glxdriswrast.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/glxdriswrast.Tpo 
-c glxd
 riswrast.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/glxdriswrast.o
 glxdriswrast.c:39:39: error: GL/internal/dri_interface.h: No such file or 
directory
 In file included from glxdriswrast.c:49:
 glxdricommon.h:32: error: expected ':', ',', ';', '}' or '__attribute__' 
before '*' t
 oken
 glxdricommon.h:36: warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of 
'__DRIcoreExtens
 ion'
 glxdricommon.h:36: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token
 glxdricommon.h:38: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' 
before 'sy
 stemTimeExtension'
 glxdriswrast.c:64: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'__DRIscreen'
 glxdriswrast.c:75: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'__DRIcontext'
 glxdriswrast.c:80: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
'__DRIdrawable'
 glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIdrawableDestroy':
 glxdriswrast.c:92: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' 
before '*'
  token
  glxdriswrast.c:92: error: 'core' undeclared (first use in this function)



What do I need to do to get this solved?

Thanks,

Alain
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Hi,

Try updating to lastest version:

BIOS
RAID Controller BIOS
RAID Controller Firmware

Peter

Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> What we have:
> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
> All latest version from ports.
> 
> 
> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day
> with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
> 
> We swap RAM - not helps.
> We swap chassis - not helps.
> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)
> 
> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
> 
> 
> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?
> 
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Re: Updates / Upgrades

2009-01-27 Thread Akenner

Da Rock wrote:



It can be tricky at first, and I'm not sure about the update-scan
utility you're using. Check out the handbook and just run the directions
from there:

portsnap fetch
portsnap update (or you can run "portsnap fetch update" in one go)

then

freebsd-update fetch
freebsd-update install (or all in one as above)

then (assuming you've installed portupgrade as you mentioned above)

portupgrade -a

then reboot.

If this doesn't work post back your errors and we can help you debug. If
there are no errors in running these steps then all is good! :)

If you want to check your programs are up to date then run the portsnap
steps again and run pkg_version -v. The freebsd-update steps will tell
you whether FreeBSD is up to date.

HTH and good luck.


  
Thanks, I'm going to give this a try today. I had to take some time last 
night and redo my set up in the tech room. My Wife and I have an entire 
bedroom we aren't using (3 bedroom house, one spare room for guests, and 
one we weren't going to use) so we made one room a tech room with all 
out computers, and other little gadget workshop

.

After re-arranging some of the monitors and a desktop on my desk, I can 
now use my BSD test box without neck strain heh.

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errors on pkg_create for p5-* ports

2009-01-27 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hello,

After installing 7.1R ports (portupgraded) I'm trying to create packages
of all the ~1000 installed packages; 8 packages, all belonging to
bsdpan-* packages from ports/www/p5-* (exact list below) are giving
errors; what could I do?

the command has been always 'pkg_create -Rnb x'; 
thx

matthias

bsdpan-URI-1.37: ... tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI.3: Cannot 
stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::Escape.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::Heuristic.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::QueryParam.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::Split.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::URL.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::WithBase.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::data.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::file.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/URI::ldap.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256


bsdpan-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.015: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/Compress::Raw::Zlib.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-IO-Compress-Base-2.015: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/File::GlobMapper.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Compress::Base.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::AnyUncompress.3: 
Cannot stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::Base.3: Cannot stat: 
No such file or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.015: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Compress::Deflate.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Compress::Gzip.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Compress::RawDeflate.3: Cannot 
stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Compress::Zip.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::AnyInflate.3: Cannot 
stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::Gunzip.3: Cannot stat: 
No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::Inflate.3: Cannot 
stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::RawInflate.3: Cannot 
stat: No such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/IO::Uncompress::Unzip.3: Cannot stat: 
No such file or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-Compress-Zlib-2.015: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/Compress::Zlib.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-HTML-Tagset-3.20: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::Tagset.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-HTML-Parser-3.59: ... tar: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::Entities.3: Cannot stat: No such file 
or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::Filter.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::HeadParser.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::LinkExtor.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::Parser.3: Cannot stat: No such 
file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::PullParser.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/HTML::TokeParser.3: Cannot stat: No 
such file or directory
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256

bsdpan-libwww-perl-5.823: ... tar: Removing leading '/' from member names

bsdpan-XML-Parser-2

Re: printf and utf-8

2009-01-27 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:03:44PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:
> >Do you have a suggestion to solve the following problem without  
> >using printf(1):
> >
> >I have a text file that I want to print in a "box" on a terminal  
> >from a shell script. Now I've padded the lines with spaces to a  
> >certain length using printf %-70s and appended the box drawing  
> >character. Is there another simple way that will work with utf-8?
> 
> My first thought was about dialog(1), but I'm not sure whether that  
> deals with UTF8 any better...?

There's dialog(1) in the FreeBSD tree, and dialog(1) on my website.
The latter can work with UTF-8 (if it's built with ncursesw).
But that's a little different from printf...

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Re: portupgrade dies during upgrade of x11

2009-01-27 Thread Ewald Jenisch
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:37:24PM +0300, o...@adlogic.ru wrote:
> Ewald, also look at /usr/ports/UPDATING , 20090123
> 

Hi Oleg,

Thanks for the hint.

Do you mean "portupgrade -rf libxcb"? I did that before running
portupgrade -arR so I assume the problem I'm having is caused by
something different...

-ewald

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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Peter wrote:

Hi,

Try updating to lastest version:

BIOS
RAID Controller BIOS
RAID Controller Firmware


Do you think it can be a problem?
It is possible to test it some how?

This host is really far away from me.

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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Michael Toth wrote:

Proskurin Kirill wrote:

Hello all.

What we have:
Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
All latest version from ports.


After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day
with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.

We swap RAM - not helps.
We swap chassis - not helps.
I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
(well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)

In attach screens of error what i have to catch.


Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?


Hi,
 Are you by any chance running 'megarc' to check your raid controller ?



Hm

Port:   megarc-1.51
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
Info:   LSI Logic's MegaRAID controlling software
Maint:  gerrit.be...@gmx.de
B-deps:
R-deps:
WWW:http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/

Do you think it can work with Dell controller?

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X - configure -> No devices to configure. Configuration failed

2009-01-27 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
I cannot configure X after recent ports upgrade. I followed the
/usr/ports/UPGRADING, but no luck.

Compaq Armada 1700 laptop
FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386

xorg-server-1.5.3_2,1
hal-0.5.11_14

and running X -configure I get

#cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
X.Org X Server 1.5.3
Release Date: 5 November 2008
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 
Current Operating System: FreeBSD mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk 7.1-PRERELEASE 
FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Tue Dec 30 17:05:06 GMT 2008 
me...@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARMADA1700 i386
Build Date: 27 January 2009  12:14:17PM
 
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Jan 27 13:44:22 2009
(II) Loader magic: 0x81bce80
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
X.Org Video Driver: 4.1
X.Org XInput driver : 2.1
X.Org Server Extension : 1.1
X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6
(II) Loader running on freebsd
(--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
(--) using VT number 9

(--) PCI:*(0...@0:8:0) Chips and Technologies F6 HiQVPro rev 0, Mem @ 
0x4000/0, BIOS @ 0x/65536
List of video drivers:
chips
(II) LoadModule: "chips"

(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//chips_drv.so
(II) Module chips: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.2.1
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1
(II) System resource ranges:
[0] -1  0   0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B)
[1] -1  0   0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B]
[2] -1  0   0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B]
[3] -1  0   0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B]
[4] -1  0   0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
[5] -1  0   0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 0...@00:08:0
No devices to configure.  Configuration failed.


What's going on? Obviously nothing happened with devices during the
ports upgrade. The driver is still chips, so.. I don't get it.

many thanks
anton

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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Toth


Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Michael Toth wrote:
>> Proskurin Kirill wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>>
>>> What we have:
>>> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
>>> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
>>> All latest version from ports.
>>>
>>>
>>> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day
>>> with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
>>>
>>> We swap RAM - not helps.
>>> We swap chassis - not helps.
>>> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
>>> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)
>>>
>>> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?
>>>
>> Hi,
>>  Are you by any chance running 'megarc' to check your raid controller ?
>>
>
> Hm
>
> Port:   megarc-1.51
> Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
> Info:   LSI Logic's MegaRAID controlling software
> Maint:  gerrit.be...@gmx.de
> B-deps:
> R-deps:
> WWW:http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/
>
> Do you think it can work with Dell controller?
>
I know it works w/ the Dell controllers, I have also had issues with it
where it randomly made my machines (all Power Edge 2950 running 7.x) 
core dump


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Re: errors on pkg_create for p5-* ports

2009-01-27 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, January 27, 2009 a las 02:59:24PM +0100, Anton Berezin escribió:

> Matthias,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> > After installing 7.1R ports (portupgraded) I'm trying to create packages
> > of all the ~1000 installed packages; 8 packages, all belonging to
> > bsdpan-* packages from ports/www/p5-* (exact list below) are giving
> > errors; what could I do?
> 
> Something is very interesting here.  If you used ports to install those
> modules, there will be no bsdpan packages, there will be p5 packages.
> 
> If you installed modules directly from CPAN, there will be bsdpan packages.
> 
> So before trying to figure out the problem with pkg_create, it would be
> useful to figure out how the modules in question were installed, and if the
> answer is "directly from CPAN", why the "real" ports were not used for the
> task.

Your question remembers me what I've posted on January 18 to the
kde-freebsd list:

> Hello,
>
> The building of the KDE 3.5.10 master port x11/kde3 fails in
> misc/shared-mime-info with:
>
> # cd /usr/ports/X11/kde3
> # make install BATCH=yes
>
> 
> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module
> is
> required for intltool
> ===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
>
> (this is with portsnap fetch+extract and portupgrade)
>
> I did by hand:
>
> # perl -MCPAN -e shell
> at cpan> prompt type in:
> install XML::Parser
>
> which made it happy;
>
> is this a known issue? (Cc: maintainer gn...@freebsd.org)

Well this explains why there is stuff directly from CPAN and why the
"real" has not been used;

any idea how to avoid this CPAN access?
> 
> Another interesting question is whether a previous version of lang/perl5.8
> (5.8.8) was installed at some point, and whether perl-after-upgrade script
> was run after the upgrade to 5.8.9 (as per ports/UPDATING entry).

I don't think so that there have been 5.8.8 installed; I installed the
base system, portupgraded and went directly to the KDE3 master port
which caused the above error;

matthias

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Re: errors on pkg_create for p5-* ports

2009-01-27 Thread Anton Berezin
Matthias,

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:

> After installing 7.1R ports (portupgraded) I'm trying to create packages
> of all the ~1000 installed packages; 8 packages, all belonging to
> bsdpan-* packages from ports/www/p5-* (exact list below) are giving
> errors; what could I do?

Something is very interesting here.  If you used ports to install those
modules, there will be no bsdpan packages, there will be p5 packages.

If you installed modules directly from CPAN, there will be bsdpan packages.

So before trying to figure out the problem with pkg_create, it would be
useful to figure out how the modules in question were installed, and if the
answer is "directly from CPAN", why the "real" ports were not used for the
task.

Another interesting question is whether a previous version of lang/perl5.8
(5.8.8) was installed at some point, and whether perl-after-upgrade script
was run after the upgrade to 5.8.9 (as per ports/UPDATING entry).

\Anton.
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Re: x11/libXrandr, x11-toolkits/libXmu, graphics/jasper fails to build

2009-01-27 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,
have you solved the problem yet? I also have libXmu failed to
upgrade due to libxcb-xlib.la. Thanks!!


TFC

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Da Rock  wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 22:04 -0500, Robert Noland wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:22 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>> > Here's another one:
>> >
>> > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC--mode=link cc -D_THREAD_SAFE
>> > -I/usr/local/include   -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include
>> > -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -version-number
>> > 2:1:0 -no-undefined  -o libXrandr.la -rpath /usr/local/lib Xrandr.lo
>> > XrrConfig.lo XrrCrtc.lo XrrMode.lo  XrrOutput.lo XrrProperty.lo
>> > XrrScreen.lo -L/usr/local/lib -lX11   -L/usr/local/lib -lXext -lXrender
>> > -lX11
>> > grep: /usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la: No such file or directory
>> > sed: /usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la: No such file or directory
>> > libtool: link: `/usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la' is not a valid libtool
>> > archive
>> > *** Error code 1
>> >
>> > I tried a search myself: ng.
>> > I tried to find a config switch for libxcb: ng.
>> >
>> > Let me know what else you need or what I can do to help here. Obviously
>> > other ports are dependent on these and are therefore failing as well.
>> > FWIW this is an upgrade using portupgrade.
>>
>> This is fallout from the libxcb update.  xcb-xlib no longer exists, you
>> need to update everything that depends on libxcb using your preferred
>> method.
>
> I'd also like to point out that I just rebooted and X died in the
> hole... :) Missing rgb files and what not
>
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Michael Toth wrote:


Proskurin Kirill wrote:

Michael Toth wrote:

Proskurin Kirill wrote:

Hello all.

What we have:
Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
All latest version from ports.


After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day
with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.

We swap RAM - not helps.
We swap chassis - not helps.
I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
(well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2 days)

In attach screens of error what i have to catch.


Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?


Hi,
 Are you by any chance running 'megarc' to check your raid controller ?


Hm

Port:   megarc-1.51
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
Info:   LSI Logic's MegaRAID controlling software
Maint:  gerrit.be...@gmx.de
B-deps:
R-deps:
WWW:http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/

Do you think it can work with Dell controller?


I know it works w/ the Dell controllers, I have also had issues with it
where it randomly made my machines (all Power Edge 2950 running 7.x) 
core dump


mail# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
mail# make install clean
===>  megarc-1.51 is marked as broken: Running megarc seems to cause 
memory corruption.

*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc.
mail#

Hm. Do I really need it? :-)

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Re: errors on pkg_create for p5-* ports

2009-01-27 Thread Anton Berezin
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 03:14:52PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, January 27, 2009 a las 02:59:24PM +0100, Anton Berezin 
> escribió:
> 
> > Matthias,
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > 
> > > After installing 7.1R ports (portupgraded) I'm trying to create packages
> > > of all the ~1000 installed packages; 8 packages, all belonging to
> > > bsdpan-* packages from ports/www/p5-* (exact list below) are giving
> > > errors; what could I do?
> > 
> > Something is very interesting here.  If you used ports to install those
> > modules, there will be no bsdpan packages, there will be p5 packages.
> > 
> > If you installed modules directly from CPAN, there will be bsdpan packages.
> > 
> > So before trying to figure out the problem with pkg_create, it would be
> > useful to figure out how the modules in question were installed, and if the
> > answer is "directly from CPAN", why the "real" ports were not used for the
> > task.
> 
> Your question remembers me what I've posted on January 18 to the
> kde-freebsd list:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > The building of the KDE 3.5.10 master port x11/kde3 fails in
> > misc/shared-mime-info with:
> >
> > # cd /usr/ports/X11/kde3
> > # make install BATCH=yes
> >
> > 
> > checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
> > checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module
> > is
> > required for intltool
> > ===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
> >
> > (this is with portsnap fetch+extract and portupgrade)
> >
> > I did by hand:
> >
> > # perl -MCPAN -e shell
> > at cpan> prompt type in:
> > install XML::Parser
> >
> > which made it happy;
> >
> > is this a known issue? (Cc: maintainer gn...@freebsd.org)

> Well this explains why there is stuff directly from CPAN and why the
> "real" has not been used;

> any idea how to avoid this CPAN access?

Well, there is a textproc/p5-XML-Parser port.  It should be a dependency of
the relevant port required by X11/kde3 (it is not entirely clear from your
mail which particular port has failed its configuration change, the ""
above might have contained some useful information).  At any rate, this must
be fixed unless it was fixed already.  I would not know without knowing what
port has failed.

As for the immediate problem at hand, could you send me (privately, there is
no reason to involve that many lists) the output of

   ls -l /var/db/pkg

As well as

   cat /var/db/pkg/bsdpan-URI*/+CONTENTS

As well as

   ls -l /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.9/man/man3/

As well as

   cat /etc/make.conf

As well as

   cat /etc/manpath.config

That should get us started.  In theory modules installed directly from CPAN
should have their files registered correctly with the package system.  It
would be very interesting to find out what went wrong.

If you don't care about finding out what went wrong and why, and you are
sure that the only thing you installed directly from CPAN is XML-Parser
(with its dependencies), then an easy way out is to rm -rf
/var/db/pkg/bsdpan* and to go to /usr/ports/textproc/p5-XML-Parser and make
install clean that.

In this case you would not care about creating packages from bsdpan-*
things, and you should be in the clear when you create packages from p5-*
things.  :-)

> > Another interesting question is whether a previous version of lang/perl5.8
> > (5.8.8) was installed at some point, and whether perl-after-upgrade script
> > was run after the upgrade to 5.8.9 (as per ports/UPDATING entry).
> 
> I don't think so that there have been 5.8.8 installed; I installed the
> base system, portupgraded and went directly to the KDE3 master port
> which caused the above error;

Ok.

Cheers,
\Anton.
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Re: x11/libXrandr, x11-toolkits/libXmu, graphics/jasper fails to build

2009-01-27 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Ter, 2009-01-27 às 09:27 -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng escreveu:

> Hi,
> have you solved the problem yet? I also have libXmu failed to
> upgrade due to libxcb-xlib.la. Thanks!!

I removed every instance of libxb-xlib.la from /usr/local/lib/*.la
than it all works again

a shell script like:
==
#!/bin/sh

lista=`find /usr/local/lib  -type f -name "*.la"`

if [ -n "$lista" ]
then
for i in $lista
do
if grep $1 $i > /dev/null
then
sed -i "" "s|/usr/local/lib/$1||" $lista
fi
done
fi

supose you name this shell ->  XX
than.
sh XX libxcb-xlib.la 
will do the trick

after that, you will be able to build things again.


Sergio
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Re: ddclient broken after portupgrade

2009-01-27 Thread Uwe Laverenz
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:46:05PM +0100, Joris Lammers wrote:

> I can't get ddclient to work. A "make deinstall; make reinstall" does not
> work. Currently I am trying "portupgrade -a -f --batch" to try and rebuild
> every port on my system.
> 
> What could have been the original problem with git and how can I get out of
> this nasty situation?

Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING before starting portupgrade? As
ddclient depends on several perl-modules I guess you didn't run
"perl-after-upgrade -f" after upgrading perl.

Uwe

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Re: Sharing ports hierarchy via NFS to different arch/versions.

2009-01-27 Thread Doug Poland

Mel wrote:

On Monday 26 January 2009 16:39:35 Doug Poland wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:21:55AM -0900, Mel wrote:

On Monday 26 January 2009 08:23:13 Doug Poland wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:25:37AM -0600, Doug Poland wrote:

per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

I've got a network running different versions of FreeBSD (6.3,
7.0) on different architectures (i386, SPARC64).

What I'd like to do is export the ports hierarchy to all
machines, but preserving ports/packages for each
version/architecture.  I also want to make rebuilding indexes
run as fast as possible.

Right now, I simply exports(5) /usr/ports via NFSv3 ...

...


The following 2 lines on each machine in /etc/make.conf should
fix those problems:
PACKAGES=${PORTSDIR}/packages/${ARCH}
INDEXFILE=INDEX-${ARCH}-${OSVERSION:C/([0-9]).*/\1/}

It would seem the package building tools (make package, portinstall
-p) do not honor the PACKAGES setting in /etc/make.conf.  The
package is simply deposited in /usr/ports/{category}/{pkgname}.  Is
there a way to force the package builder to use this knob?

make package respects it.

Curious... I tested it on two different machines, and make package did
not put the package in the expected location.  Perhaps I'm missing
something?


Ah, my bad:
Mk/bsd.port.mk:
do-package: ${TMPPLIST}
@if [ -d ${PACKAGES} ]; then \

$PACKAGES has to be created before it respected.

>
Ah ha!  Thanks for that info, and the reference to Mk/bsd.port.mk

--
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Doug
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Keyboard-beep on FreeBSD?

2009-01-27 Thread herbert langhans
Hi List,
a short question: Is there an easy way to get a keyboard-beep (each letter 
beeping when you type, like an old terminal)?

Maybe there is some straight forward settings - before I start to experiment..

Thank you!
herbs 
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Re: IPFW DUMMYNET: Several pipes after each other

2009-01-27 Thread Ian Smith
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Sebastian Mellmann wrote:
 > Ian Smith wrote:
 > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:10:09 +0100 (CET)
 > >  >
 > >  > So far I've got those rules:
 > >  >
 > >  > in_if="em0"
 > >  > out_if="em1"
 > >  > management_if="em2"
 > >  > in_ip="100.100.100.1"
 > >  > out_ip="200.200.200.1"
 > >  > management_ip="172.16.0.201"
 > >  > client1_subnet="192.168.5.0/26"
 > >  > client2_subnet="192.168.6.0/26"
 > >  > server_subnet="192.168.7.0/24"
 > >  >
 > >  > download_bandwidth="6144Kbit/s"
 > >  > upload_bandwidth="1024Kbit/s"
 > >  > delay="0"
 > >  > queue_size="10"
 > >
 > > 10 slots ie packets is likely too small a queue size at these rates.
 > > You want to check the dropped packet stats from 'ipfw pipe show' re
 > > that; see the section in ipfw(8) about calculating sizes / delays.
 > >
 > 
 > I had a look at the ipfw howto on the freebsd site [1], but I'm not 100%
 > sure how to choose a "good" value for the queue size.

Neither am I :) but I'm using some values that seem to work ok.  Well 
actually, on checking since we went from 1500/256kbps to 8192/384k, I 
might play a bit more, noticing 0.6% or so drops on a couple of pipes.

 > [1] http://www.freebsd-howto.com/HOWTO/Ipfw-HOWTO

That's a very good ipfw tutorial, given parts of it are a bit outdated 
(FreeBSD 4.x) but it covers a lot of useful background. I just skimmed 
lots of it now but nothing I read jarred, unlike the Handbook section.

 > If I choose the default (50 packets) it means that it takes approx. 100ms
 > (600kbits / 6144kbits) to fill the queue.
 > So the question is: Which value to choose for the queue?

It's going to depend on lots of things, your workload, upstream push .. 
you could start with more like the default and adjust as necessary?

 > > I suggest using 'in recv' and 'out xmit' rather than via for these, for
 > > the sake of clarity.  'in recv' and 'in via' come to the same thing, as
 > > only the receive interface is known on inbound packets, but 'out via'
 > > applies to packets that were *received* on the specified interface as
 > > well as those going out on that interface after routing, which can lead
 > > to surprising results sometimes, and being more specific never hurts ..
 > 
 > Thanks for the hint.
 > I'll change that.

Also, I'd take both that howto's and ipfw(8)'s advice about your faster 
inside pipe, and use one pipe per flow/direction (ie full duplex).

 > >  > But when I have a look at the pipes with 'ipfw show' I can only see
 > >  > packets go through the pipe 50 and nothing goes through the other pipes
 > >  > (which makes sense actually since IPFW work that way?).
 > >
 > > IPFW works that way if you (likely) have net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 .. so
 > > that packets exiting from pipes aren't seen by the firewall again.  If
 > > you set one_pass=0, packets are reinjected into the firewall at the rule
 > > following the pipe (or queue) action, which is what you want to do here.
 > 
 > Actually this is also described in the manpage of ipfw(8).
 > Shame on me ;-)

As penance, read 7 times before sleeping with it under your pillow :)

 > > And you'll surely need a much larger queue for this pipe, at 100Mbit/s.
 > 
 > As already asked above:
 > 
 > How do I know the queue is large or small enough for my needs?

I'm never sure, so tend to experiment.  How fast your hardware is and 
kern.hz setting could be significant factors, as could be TCP/UDP mix 
and other factors I know little about.  Reducing reported packet drops 
is about all I've used for a guide so far.  This one is a FreeBSd 4.8 
box, a 2.4GHz P4 doing little but being a filtering bridge between a 
8192/384kbps ADSL link and nests of mostly XP boxes in 3 LAN groups:

!ipfw pipe show | egrep 'tcp|bit'
00010: 256.000 Kbit/s0 ms  30 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp 192.168.0.23/1043 207.46.17.61/807196387 2897628161  00 
9706
00020:   5.120 Mbit/s0 ms  50 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp 207.46.17.61/80   192.168.0.23/1043  9977802 12858014698  0
0 63260

00040:  96.000 Kbit/s0 ms  20 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp 192.168.0.45/103766.249.89.147/443   2315107 299340364  00 
2086
00050:   1.536 Mbit/s0 ms  40 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp66.249.89.147/443  192.168.0.45/1037  3279021 3802388928  00 
22433

00060: 192.000 Kbit/s0 ms  30 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp 192.168.0.64/1032207.46.106.36/1863  1847947 563209421  00 
141
00070:   3.072 Mbit/s0 ms  40 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
  0 tcp207.46.106.36/1863 192.168.0.64/1032  2438211 3075075035  00 
4550

It's nearly all streaming rather than more interactive traffic, so 
pipe latency isn't so much of a concern.  Anyway, I rarely actually 
catch any traffic still in-queue, which you can stare at for tuning.

Also, that's aggregate traffic, not per IP as with your masks (which 
look maybe wider than necessary, 0x covers a /16) so you may

Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device

2009-01-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:04:11PM -0500, Vladislav Sekulic wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE on a couple of Sun X2100 servers, each  
> with 2X 250GB SATA drives that I've established a gmirror(8) over,  
> following the instructions in section 19.4 of the Handbook.
> 
> Now, one of the machines, being transformed into a webserver, needs a  
> separate, newly created /var/www partition (its current partitions  
> only take up 27G of the total ~238G available).
> 
> My dilemma is -- how do I add another partition without hosing the  
> system?  It seems to me that there is no other way than to destroy the  
> gmirror, create the new partition, then re-create the gmirror.  The  
> issue is how to proceed in a safe manner, without destroying any data  
> or causing undue hassle (time is of the essence, as always).
> 
> My draft plan is as follows, with ad4 and ad6 being the component drives:
> 
>   $ sudo gmirror deactivate gm0 /dev/ad6
>   $ sudo gmirror deactivate gm0 /dev/ad4
>   $ sudo gmirror remove gm0 /dev/ad6
>   $ sudo gmirror remove gm0 /dev/ad4
> 
> I believe this would result in all metadata associated with the  
> gmirror to be wiped, and hence the gmirror to be destroyed, based on  
> my potentially faulty reading of the manpage.
> 
> Then edit fstab to restore the ``/dev/mirror/gm0s1?'' entries to their  
> corresponding ``/dev/ad4s1?'' entries & reboot.
> 
> Afterwards, would run ``bsdlabel -e ad4'', then newfs, and finally,  
> redo the gmirror sequence (following the steps in section 19.4 of the  
> handbook, as before).
> 
> Am I missing any critical steps here, or have any redundant steps?  Or  
> just not getting it?

I may be confused here, but I think you are making too many steps rather
than missing some.But, partly my problem is that I do not have
the whole picture of what you have currently set up.


First of all, you say that you have allocated 27GB of 238GB available.
Is that 238GB in the existing slice - gm0s1 or is it outside of
that slice?   (NOTE, the 's' in the device name stands for slice - 
so it is slice 1 of a possible 4).

It could be helpful if you posted you  /etc/fstab  file and also
what is printed if you do:bsdlabel gm0s1   or, if it is what
they call 'dangerously dedicated'  do:  bsdlabel gm0

If it is all in that gmos1 slice, then just use bsdlabel on that 
slice to add the rest to another partition within that slice.  Just
boot from something other than that mirror, make sure nothing
in gm0 is mounted and then do:   bsdlabel -e gm0s1  and fix it
up as needed.

If you are getting the terminology mixed and it is not in that 
slice, it depends on how you want your disk built.  If there is
no slice and it is what some call 'dangerously dedicated', then
run bsdlabel on gm0  rather than  gm0s1 (eg  bsdlabel -e gm0).
>From your comments above, it sounds like you have made a slice on 
it.   But, seeing fstab and the output of bsdlabel 
would help figure it out.

jerry




> 
> Thank you for any pointers!
> 
> Vlad
> 
> P.S.  Is it possible to operate directly on the gm0 device, i.e., to  
> create a partition using it rather than destroying the entire gmirror?
> 
> --
> Vladislav Sekulic
> Research Computing System Administrator
> Systems and Networks Research Group
> Dept. of Computer Science, University of Toronto
> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~pocsys
> 
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Re: IPFW DUMMYNET: Several pipes after each other

2009-01-27 Thread Sebastian Mellmann
Ian Smith wrote:

> That's a very good ipfw tutorial, given parts of it are a bit outdated
> (FreeBSD 4.x) but it covers a lot of useful background. I just skimmed
> lots of it now but nothing I read jarred, unlike the Handbook section.
>
>  > If I choose the default (50 packets) it means that it takes approx.
> 100ms
>  > (600kbits / 6144kbits) to fill the queue.
>  > So the question is: Which value to choose for the queue?
>
> It's going to depend on lots of things, your workload, upstream push ..
> you could start with more like the default and adjust as necessary?

Sounds like a good idea.
I'll just start with the default and see if works in my setup.

>  > > And you'll surely need a much larger queue for this pipe, at
> 100Mbit/s.
>  >
>  > As already asked above:
>  >
>  > How do I know the queue is large or small enough for my needs?
>
> I'm never sure, so tend to experiment.  How fast your hardware is and
> kern.hz setting could be significant factors, as could be TCP/UDP mix
> and other factors I know little about.  Reducing reported packet drops
> is about all I've used for a guide so far.  This one is a FreeBSd 4.8
> box, a 2.4GHz P4 doing little but being a filtering bridge between a
> 8192/384kbps ADSL link and nests of mostly XP boxes in 3 LAN groups:
>
> !ipfw pipe show | egrep 'tcp|bit'
> 00010: 256.000 Kbit/s0 ms  30 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp 192.168.0.23/1043 207.46.17.61/807196387 2897628161  0
>0 9706
> 00020:   5.120 Mbit/s0 ms  50 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp 207.46.17.61/80   192.168.0.23/1043  9977802 12858014698
> 00 63260
>
> 00040:  96.000 Kbit/s0 ms  20 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp 192.168.0.45/103766.249.89.147/443   2315107 299340364  0
>   0 2086
> 00050:   1.536 Mbit/s0 ms  40 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp66.249.89.147/443  192.168.0.45/1037  3279021 3802388928  0
>0 22433
>
> 00060: 192.000 Kbit/s0 ms  30 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp 192.168.0.64/1032207.46.106.36/1863  1847947 563209421  0
>   0 141
> 00070:   3.072 Mbit/s0 ms  40 KB 1 queues (1 buckets) droptail
>   0 tcp207.46.106.36/1863 192.168.0.64/1032  2438211 3075075035  0
>0 4550
>
> It's nearly all streaming rather than more interactive traffic, so
> pipe latency isn't so much of a concern.  Anyway, I rarely actually
> catch any traffic still in-queue, which you can stare at for tuning.
>
> Also, that's aggregate traffic, not per IP as with your masks (which
> look maybe wider than necessary, 0x covers a /16) so you may
> wind up with lots of separate queues sharing a pipe, which may look
> very different.  How many hosts, how much memory to spare for each?


Is there any chance to get the dropped packets for _each_ queue (e.g.
logged to a file for further investigation)?
Does ipfw provide something here?

I'm mainly doing experiments with different kinds of settings (bandwidth
limitations, variable delay, dropped packets probability etcpp.) and I
want to see how many packets are actually dropped by ipfw.


> HTH, Ian

Regards and thanks for the help so far,
Sebastian


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Quad Ethernet PCI Card ZNYX ZX346Q is supported

2009-01-27 Thread Oliver Adler
Hello,
because I'm just building a firewall based on FreeBSD 7.1 I
was looking around for a quad port NIC. I got a ZNYX ZX346Q
and tested it. It seems to work (I did not yet stress
testing). The only problem with the card is, that it doesn't
support media autoselect. The media has to be specified with
the ifconfig media option. I got the clue for this from
http://www.znyx.com/support/drivers/ZX346Q_drivers.htm

If there is some more testing necessary to add this card to
the list of supported hardware, please give me a note.

Thank you for providing FreeBSD.

Oliver

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eMail  : bu...@a999.de
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Re: FreeBSD 7.1 SMP on IBM x330 Dual Processor server

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Everett


How does the kernel I would build from that link differ from the stock 
7.1 kernel?


Ewald Jenisch wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:57:50PM -0700, Tom Everett wrote:
  
I'm running the "stock" FreeBSD 7.1 kernel on an IBM x330 machine.  The  
machine has two physical processors but it seems that FreeBSD 7.1 on  
sees one.  I downloaded the kernel source and it seems that the GENERIC  
kernel has SMP installed.  Is there something else I can try?  Thanks in  
advance for your wisdom.



Have you already tried to build a kernel for your system using the
latest sources, i.e. cvsup-ing the sources and build your own
system/kernel (see e.g. 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html)

HTH
-ewald
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread RW
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:56:15 +1000
Da Rock  wrote:


> I'm also ashamed that they released it in a hurry to compete in this
> condition to a very sceptical Window$ crowd. 

People have to use KDE4 in significant numbers for it to mature. The
real problem was not that they released it, but that Linux distributions
rushed to make it the default version, or in some cases the only
version, in their packaging systems. From what I've read, many people
in the KDE4 project were not happy about this. If most distributions
had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default,
or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have
been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive
attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete.

BTW, I don't think it's really fair to suggest that KDE4 is trying to
ape Vista, it looks to me as if the've both just borrowed a lot from
OS-X, A lot of the other stuff in KDE4, has been under development for a
long-time.  
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 01:02:00 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote:

> Because there are many bugs were in 7.0 and got fixed in 7.1, and maybe you
> are affected by one of them.

Even though 7.1 has bugfixes, this kind of guesswork causes a lot of downtime 
for OP without any certainty that things will be any better.

At the very least, we should find out if the OS is at fault at all.

For Proskurin:
Find out if the machine reboots, because of a kernel panic and if so try to 
get a kernel crash dump [1]. If it does not panic, you're 90% sure it's a 
hardware issue. The remaining 10% is left for the case where FreeBSD does not 
configure hardware correctly through ACPI, causing hardware to operate badly.


[1] 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html
-- 
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Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Quad Ethernet PCI Card ZNYX ZX346Q is supported

2009-01-27 Thread Robert Huff

Oliver Adler writes:

>  because I'm just building a firewall based on FreeBSD 7.1 I
>  was looking around for a quad port NIC. I got a ZNYX ZX346Q
>  and tested it. It seems to work (I did not yet stress
>  testing). The only problem with the card is, that it doesn't
>  support media autoselect. The media has to be specified with
>  the ifconfig media option. I got the clue for this from
>  http://www.znyx.com/support/drivers/ZX346Q_drivers.htm
>  
>  If there is some more testing necessary to add this card to
>  the list of supported hardware, please give me a note.

If you mean "is there a driver for the card?", try de(4).
If you mean "will someone please media auto-select?" ... I'm
confused.  If the hardware doesn't support it (and my ZX345s didn't)
how can the driver?


Robert Huff

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Re: FreeBSD 7.1 SMP on IBM x330 Dual Processor server

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Everett

Am I correct in my understanding that the "stock" kernel is GENERIC?


Ewald Jenisch wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:57:50PM -0700, Tom Everett wrote:
  
I'm running the "stock" FreeBSD 7.1 kernel on an IBM x330 machine.  The  
machine has two physical processors but it seems that FreeBSD 7.1 on  
sees one.  I downloaded the kernel source and it seems that the GENERIC  
kernel has SMP installed.  Is there something else I can try?  Thanks in  
advance for your wisdom.



Have you already tried to build a kernel for your system using the
latest sources, i.e. cvsup-ing the sources and build your own
system/kernel (see e.g. 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html)

HTH
-ewald
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Re: printf and utf-8

2009-01-27 Thread Mel
On Monday 26 January 2009 12:58:06 Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:
> As far as I can see, printf is not calculating strings lengths correctly
> when using utf-8 encoding. Either that, or I'm using byte count, and
> can't find the character count :-/
>
> Eg:
>
> $ printf "|%-10s|" "æøå"
>
> |æøå|
>
> $ printf "|%-10s|" "123"
>
> |123   |
>
> I'm on 7.1-p2

Does this work on an xterm (or anything else then the FreeBSD console) with 
correct LANG variable set?
The FreeBSD console does not work with utf-8 (yet), allthough I would not 
think it should affect printf's character counting, still.it haunts me.
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default,
or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have
been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive
attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete.


it's not OSS problem but general problem with all software. this problem 
started with commercial software some years ago because PEOPLE WANTED 
THIS.


they wanted to have top-end rubbish as most of poeple don't do anything 
more on their computer than starting few simple programs and a web 
browser, but wanted to stay "ahead".


That's why both windoze and KDE (and lots of others) software is such a 
crap.


But it's very simple solution for that for everyone slightly smarter than 
idiot.


Simply DON'T use them. You can do all things with non-"trendy" unix 
programs, and with "archaic" unix way of computing.


for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as 
name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you use.


that's all. the wistles are not needed for work. Actually it makes work 
harder and much less efficient. You don't need "desktop features", you 
jest need programs that do what you need, and run them.


Leave all this colorful whistles to average monkey.
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Re: Quad Ethernet PCI Card ZNYX ZX346Q is supported

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

and tested it. It seems to work (I did not yet stress
testing). The only problem with the card is, that it doesn't
support media autoselect. The media has to be specified with


is it Digital DecChip based?
i have similar one (not znyx) ahd have similar problem but not the same.

looks like PHY is not supported, so it works in default mode.
i can set media manually but it doesn't work
i can leave automatic detection, and it works but with not all endpoints.

with one - i ended adding cheap 5-port switch in between.
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Re: FreeBSD 7.1 SMP on IBM x330 Dual Processor server

2009-01-27 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:57:32 Tom Everett wrote:
> How does the kernel I would build from that link differ from the stock
> 7.1 kernel?

It doesn't. It's the generic "upgrading fixes all" advice.
I don't see anything since 7.1-RELEASE in 7.1-STABLE even, that would have the 
potential to fix your problem.

Best thing you can do:
0) Check BIOS if there's something there that can make a CPU 'invisible'.
1) subscribe to freebsd-acpi and ask there if people have seen this before.
2) recompile kernel for acpi debugging, so you have information ready when 
people ask for it
3) regardless of the 1), search for or file a new PR with your ACPI 
information.

More info here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html
http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html
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Re: FreeBSD 7.1 SMP on IBM x330 Dual Processor server

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Everett

Thanks!


Mel wrote:

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:57:32 Tom Everett wrote:
  

How does the kernel I would build from that link differ from the stock
7.1 kernel?



It doesn't. It's the generic "upgrading fixes all" advice.
I don't see anything since 7.1-RELEASE in 7.1-STABLE even, that would have the 
potential to fix your problem.


Best thing you can do:
0) Check BIOS if there's something there that can make a CPU 'invisible'.
1) subscribe to freebsd-acpi and ask there if people have seen this before.
2) recompile kernel for acpi debugging, so you have information ready when 
people ask for it
3) regardless of the 1), search for or file a new PR with your ACPI 
information.


More info here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html
http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html
  

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Re: Keyboard-beep on FreeBSD?

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

man kbdcontrol

:)

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, herbert langhans wrote:


Hi List,
a short question: Is there an easy way to get a keyboard-beep (each letter 
beeping when you type, like an old terminal)?

Maybe there is some straight forward settings - before I start to experiment..

Thank you!
herbs
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Re: portupgrade dies during upgrade of x11

2009-01-27 Thread Frank Shute
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Ewald Jenisch wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> During an upgrade of my ports involving x11 portupgrade dies (FreeBSD
> 7.1, AMD64)
> 
> 
> 
> Here's what I did: After cvsup, make fetchindex, I did a pkgdb -F and
> then portupgrade -rf libxcb as per UPDATING of 20090123.
> 
> Next I did a pkgdb -F again, which complained about obsoleted packages
> while at the same time telling me that they're still needed, so I
> didn'd de-install them:
> 
> # pkgdb -F
> --->  Checking the package registry database
> Stale origin: 'x11/xorg-protos': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
> -> The port 'x11/xorg-protos' was removed on 2009-01-23 because:
> "Not really necessary"
> -> Hint:  xorg-protos-7.3_2 is required by the following package(s):
> xorg-7.3_2
> -> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
>  -> No files installed by xorg-protos-7.3_2 have been overwritten by other 
> packages.
> Deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2 ? [no]
> Stale origin: 'x11/xphelloworld': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
> -> The port 'x11/xphelloworld' was removed on 2009-01-24 because:
> "Xprint application, deprecated upstream"
> -> Hint:  xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 is required by the following package(s):
> xorg-7.3_2
> xorg-apps-7.3
> -> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
>  -> No files installed by xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 have been overwritten by other 
> packages.
> Deinstall xphelloworld-1.0.1_1 ? [no]
> Duplicated origin: delete - xorg-protos-7.3_2 xphelloworld-1.0.1_1
> Unregister any of them? [no]
> Stale dependency: xorg-7.3_2 -> add (x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome):
> Fixed. (-> xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.903)
> Stale dependency: xorg-7.3_2 -> xinput-1.4.0 (x11/xinput):
> xinit-1.1.1 (score:18%) ? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [no]
> Install stale dependency? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [yes] a
> [Gathering depends for x11/xinput 
> . done]
> --->  Installing 'xinput-1.4.0' from a port (x11/xinput)
> --->  Building '/usr/ports/x11/xinput'
> .
> .
> .
> ===>   Compressing manual pages for xinput-1.4.0
> ===>   Registering installation for xinput-1.4.0
> ===>  Cleaning for xinput-1.4.0
> Fixed. (-> xinput-1.4.0)
> Stale dependency: xorg-apps-7.3 -> xinput-1.4.0 (x11/xinput):
> xinput-1.4.0 ? ([y]es/[n]o/[a]ll) [yes] a
> Fixed. (-> xinput-1.4.0)
> # 
> 
> 
> 
> After that I started portupgrade -arR which died in the following way:
> 
> # portupgrade -arR
> ** Port marked as IGNORE: x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga:
> is marked as broken: Needs to be removed
> ** Port marked as IGNORE: x11-drivers/xf86-video-via:
> requires pciVideoPtr typedef
> ** Port directory not found: x11/xorg-protos
> ** Port directory not found: x11/xphelloworld
> --->  Skipping 'x11/xorg-apps' (xorg-apps-7.3) because a requisite package 
> 'xphelloworld-1.0.1_1' (x11/xphelloworld) failed (specify -k to force)
> --->  Skipping 'x11-drivers/xorg-drivers' (xorg-drivers-7.3_3) because a 
> requisite package 'xf86-video-vga-4.1.0_2' (x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga) 
> failed (specify -k to force)
> --->  Skipping 'x11/xorg' (xorg-7.3_2) because a requisite package 
> 'xorg-apps-7.3' (x11/xorg-apps) failed (specify -k to force)
> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
> - x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga (marked as IGNORE)
> - x11-drivers/xf86-video-via (marked as IGNORE)
> - x11/xorg-protos (port directory error)
> - x11/xphelloworld (port directory error)
> * x11/xorg-apps (xorg-apps-7.3)
> * x11-drivers/xorg-drivers (xorg-drivers-7.3_3)
> * x11/xorg (xorg-7.3_2)
> #
> 
> 
> I've also tried to uninstall x11/xorg-protos during pkgdb -F which
> also died:
> 
> # pkgdb -F
> --->  Checking the package registry database
> Stale origin: 'x11/xorg-protos': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
> -> The port 'x11/xorg-protos' was removed on 2009-01-23 because:
> "Not really necessary"
> -> Hint:  xorg-protos-7.3_2 is required by the following package(s):
> xorg-7.3_2
> -> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
>  -> No files installed by xorg-protos-7.3_2 have been overwritten by other 
> packages.
> Deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2 ? [no] yes
> --->  Deinstalling 'xorg-protos-7.3_2'
> pkg_delete: package 'xorg-protos-7.3_2' is required by these other packages
> and may not be deinstalled:
> xorg-7.3_2
> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
> ! xorg-protos-7.3_2 (pkg_delete failed)
> Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/local/sbin/pkg_deinstall xorg-protos-7.3_2
> #
> 
> 
> 
> Any way to resolve this?
> 
> Thanks much in advance for any clue,
> -ewald

Ewald,

What I'd do under your circumstances is run pkgdb -F again and
deinstall all the packages that are moved or obsoleted.

If it won't deinstall because of dependencies, use: pkg_deinstall -f

Then repeat pkgdb -F again & pkg_deinstall -f until it comes up clean.

Then have a go again at updating according 

Re: Keyboard-beep on FreeBSD?

2009-01-27 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 08:13:38 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> man kbdcontrol

Yeah I looked there too, only can set tone and off/normal/visual. Normal being 
when console asks attention, not on every stroke.

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TEST

2009-01-27 Thread Rem P Roberti
Test
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread RW
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:52:31 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar  wrote:

> > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the
> > default, or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there
> > wouldn't have been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS
> > is the pervasive attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or
> > it's obsolete.
> 
> it's not OSS problem but general problem with all software. this
> problem started with commercial software some years ago because
> PEOPLE WANTED THIS.

I'm not talking about what you would call bloat, I'm talking about the
use of software that's little better than a prototype, and people that
would rather use unstable software than software that's a few months
old. That is very much an OSS problem.

> for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as 
> name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you
> use.

IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a
keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically.
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Re: TEST

2009-01-27 Thread nicodache
did not work. please try again.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Rem P Roberti  wrote:
> Test
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Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device

2009-01-27 Thread Vladislav Sekulic

Thanks, Wojciech and Jerry, for your help.

Quoting Jerry McAllister :


First of all, you say that you have allocated 27GB of 238GB available.
Is that 238GB in the existing slice - gm0s1 or is it outside of
that slice?   (NOTE, the 's' in the device name stands for slice -
so it is slice 1 of a possible 4).



It's 27GB used within the existing slice; gm0s1 spans the entire disk.


It could be helpful if you posted you  /etc/fstab  file and also
what is printed if you do:bsdlabel gm0s1   or, if it is what
they call 'dangerously dedicated'  do:  bsdlabel gm0



$ sudo bsdlabel /dev/mirror/gm0s1
# /dev/mirror/gm0s1:
8 partitions:
#size   offsetfstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
  a:  104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 8
  b:  8320016  1048576  swap
  c: 4883759370unused0 0 # "raw"  
part, don't edit

  d:  2097152  93685924.2BSD 2048 16384 28528
  e: 10485760 114657444.2BSD 2048 16384 28528
  f: 41943040 219515044.2BSD 2048 16384 28528


If it is all in that gmos1 slice, then just use bsdlabel on that
slice to add the rest to another partition within that slice.  Just
boot from something other than that mirror, make sure nothing
in gm0 is mounted and then do:   bsdlabel -e gm0s1  and fix it
up as needed.



Great, makes sense.  I'll boot from the FreeBSD livecd and do this.

Thanks again!
Vlad

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Systems and Networks Research Group
Dept. of Computer Science, University of Toronto
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RE: OpenOffice 3.0, which java must I use?

2009-01-27 Thread Sebastian Setzer
Thanks,
with diablo 1.6 it works.

To the openoffice porting team:
Could you please mention this on http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/?
This page says "We support only Java 1.5"

The problem with the macro securitylevel dialog wasn't solved by the working 
java, though.
But I found a workaround on http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244917
(and other sites, after I knew that I must search for MacroSecurityLevel and 
Common.xcu):
insert the following into 
.openoffice.org/3/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcu


  
   
1
   
  


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 9:54 PM
To: Sebastian Setzer
Subject: Re: OpenOffice 3.0, which java must I use?
 
$ uname -a
FreeBSD grimsqueaker-bsd.pigfarm.org 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #7:
Sun Jan 11 21:12:44 PST 2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
amd64
$ pkg_info | grep java
javavmwrapper-2.3.2 Wrapper script for various Java Virtual Machines
$ pkg_info | grep jdk
diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_3 Java Development Kit 1.6.0_07.02
$ pkg_info | grep -i openoffice
openoffice.org-3.0.0 Integrated wordprocessor/dbase/spreadsheet/drawing/chart/br


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Sebastian Setzer
 wrote:
> Hi,
> On 64-bit FreeBSD 7, I installed these two packages:
>  OOo_3.0.0_FreeBSD71X86-64_install_de.tbz
>  diablo-caffe-freebsd6-amd64-1.5.0_07-b01.tar.bz2
> When I run OOo, it prints
>  javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!
> Is diablo the wrong java 1.5 JDK?
>
> I didn't expect to need java - I just wantet to use StarBasic Macros.
> But OOo seems to need it. I can't even set the Macro security options (when I 
> press the button, nothing happens).
>
> Sebastian
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tool for detecting filesystem?

2009-01-27 Thread Andrew Gould
Background:  I received  a CD that I couldn't mount on my FreeBSD computer.
Later, in a different city, I played it on my MacBook.  It was a slideshow
with music that had been created using a Roxio product.  I did a right-click
on the CD's icon and selected "Get Info", where I learned that the CD was
formatted for UDF.

What would have been the best/easiest way to determine the filesystem
present on a CD or hard drive partition from within FreeBSD?

Thanks,

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Try updating to lastest version:
>>
>> BIOS
>> RAID Controller BIOS
>> RAID Controller Firmware
>
> Do you think it can be a problem?
> It is possible to test it some how?
>
> This host is really far away from me.
>

Last 3 months I had issues will DELL 1650 and DELL R200.
In both cases BIOS update fixed it.

1) DELL 1650 - FreeBSD did not want to installl, after BIOS udpate all
went well
2) DELL  R200 with SATA - no problems
2) DELL R200 with SAS, installed well, extremely scary message about
HDD, after BIOS update, RAID controller BIOS udpate and RAID controller
firmware udpate all went well

BTW when the R200 scared me , I got a DELL diagniostic CD with FreeDOS
and it did full system test. If you can get KVM over IP, have someone to
put in the CD and 2 hours downtime is acceptable, it is good idea to run
that CD on your machine.

Peter
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Re: tool for detecting filesystem?

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Later, in a different city, I played it on my MacBook.  It was a slideshow
with music that had been created using a Roxio product.  I did a right-click
on the CD's icon and selected "Get Info", where I learned that the CD was
formatted for UDF.

What would have been the best/easiest way to determine the filesystem
present on a CD or hard drive partition from within FreeBSD?


[r...@wojtek ~]# file -s /dev/ad0a
/dev/ad0a: Unix Fast File system [v2] (little-endian) last mounted on 
/mnt3, last written at Tue Dec 30 00:29:21 2008, clean flag 1, readonly 
flag 0, number of blocks 49992, number of data blocks 49439, number of 
cylinder groups 4, block size 8192, fragment size 1024, average file size 
16384, average number of files in dir 64, pending blocks to free 0, 
pending inodes to free 0, system-wide uuid 0, minimum percentage of free 
blocks 0, SPACE optimization


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Re[2]: IPFW DUMMYNET: Several pipes after each other

2009-01-27 Thread KES
Здравствуйте, Sebastian.

Вы писали 26 января 2009 г., 12:16:18:

SM> Ian Smith wrote:
SM> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:10:09 +0100 (CET)
>>  >
>>  > So far I've got those rules:
>>  >
>>  > in_if="em0"
>>  > out_if="em1"
>>  > management_if="em2"
>>  > in_ip="100.100.100.1"
>>  > out_ip="200.200.200.1"
>>  > management_ip="172.16.0.201"
>>  > client1_subnet="192.168.5.0/26"
>>  > client2_subnet="192.168.6.0/26"
>>  > server_subnet="192.168.7.0/24"
>>  >
>>  > download_bandwidth="6144Kbit/s"
>>  > upload_bandwidth="1024Kbit/s"
>>  > delay="0"
>>  > queue_size="10"
>>
>> 10 slots ie packets is likely too small a queue size at these rates.
>> You want to check the dropped packet stats from 'ipfw pipe show' re
>> that; see the section in ipfw(8) about calculating sizes / delays.
>>

SM> I had a look at the ipfw howto on the freebsd site [1], but I'm not 100%
SM> sure how to choose a "good" value for the queue size.

SM> If I choose the default (50 packets) it means that it takes approx. 100ms
SM> (600kbits / 6144kbits) to fill the queue.
SM> So the question is: Which value to choose for the queue?

>> I suggest using 'in recv' and 'out xmit' rather than via for these, for
>> the sake of clarity.  'in recv' and 'in via' come to the same thing, as
>> only the receive interface is known on inbound packets, but 'out via'
>> applies to packets that were *received* on the specified interface as
>> well as those going out on that interface after routing, which can lead
>> to surprising results sometimes, and being more specific never hurts ..

SM> Thanks for the hint.
SM> I'll change that.

>>  > But when I have a look at the pipes with 'ipfw show' I can only see
>>  > packets go through the pipe 50 and nothing goes through the other pipes
>>  > (which makes sense actually since IPFW work that way?).
>>
>> IPFW works that way if you (likely) have net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=1 .. so
>> that packets exiting from pipes aren't seen by the firewall again.  If
>> you set one_pass=0, packets are reinjected into the firewall at the rule
>> following the pipe (or queue) action, which is what you want to do here.

SM> Actually this is also described in the manpage of ipfw(8).
SM> Shame on me ;-)

>> And you'll surely need a much larger queue for this pipe, at 100Mbit/s.
>>

SM> As already asked above:

SM> How do I know the queue is large or small enough for my needs?

How calculate queue length for your link speed:
suggest link speed is 64kbit/s = 8KB/s
50pkts in queue is 75000bytes (50*1500) ~73KB
73KB/8KB = 9sec

so for bandwidth 64kbit you will have timeout 9000ms if queue is full.
For example you want to have only 1000ms timeouts (ping)
1 * 8KB = 8KB. This max information transmited before queue will
overflow for given timeout.
8Kb/1500= 5 -- value for your queue size

For links with speed > 512Kbit your queue size 50
I use next values for queues:

c pipe 1 config bw 65536bit/s queue 5 mask src-ip 0x gred 
0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 2 config bw 65536bit/s queue 5 mask dst-ip 0x gred 
0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 1 config pipe 1 queue 5 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 2 config pipe 2 queue 5 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1


c pipe 3 config bw 131072bit/s mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 4 config bw 131072bit/s mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 3 config pipe 3 queue 10 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 4 config pipe 4 queue 10 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1

c pipe 5 config bw 262144bit/s mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 6 config bw 262144bit/s mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 5 config pipe 5 queue 20 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 6 config pipe 6 queue 20 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1

c pipe 7 config bw 524288bit/s mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 8 config bw 524288bit/s mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 7 config pipe 7 queue 40 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 8 config pipe 8 queue 40 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1

c pipe 9 config bw 1048576bit/s mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 10 config bw 1048576bit/s mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 9 config pipe 9 queue 50 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 10 config pipe 10 queue 50 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1

c pipe 11 config bw 2097152bit/s mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c pipe 12 config bw 2097152bit/s mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 11 config pipe 11 queue 50 mask src-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1
c queue 12 config pipe 12 queue 50 mask dst-ip 0x gred 0.002/10/30/0.1

WARNING!!! you must use own queue/pipe for in/out traffic. In case you put in
and out traffic to one pipe/queue you will simulate asyncrounous
link!!!



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Restarting new Xorg freezes system

2009-01-27 Thread Luke Dean


The operating system and ports were all cvsupped and built from source
today.  I'm running Xorg + windowmaker + the "radeon" driver on i386
7-STABLE

My xorg.conf was built from scratch by "Xorg -configure", plus I added
Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
to the "ServerLayout" section, per /usr/ports/UPDATING, since I'm not
running hal and I can't get keyboard or mouse otherwise.

Everything appears to be great.  My applications launch much faster than
they did before the upgrade.  Shutting down and restarting X is the only
problem I'm having.  This was not a problem before I upgraded to the new
Xorg.

This is a desktop system.  I launch X with "startx" from the console.  I
can shut down X either by exiting windowmaker or by killing the Xorg
server with ctrl+alt+backspace.  There appear to be some failure messages
on the console when I shut down X, but I don't know what they mean or
if they're important.  I'm attaching a log below.  I don't see any stuck
processes after the shutdown, but perhaps I don't know what I'm looking
for.

If I later restart X with "startx", some corrupted graphical junk appears
on the screen and the system freezes solid.  Keyboard and mouse are
completely unresponsive.  NumLock light won't change.  I can't ssh into
the system either.
I can reproduce this at will, but my hard drives don't like it.

Any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
Do I need to switch to hal?

This is the console log.
The part after the wsoundserver warnings is the shutdown.


Script started on Tue Jan 27 10:44:04 2009
[0:usr/home/lukas> startx 
xauth:  creating new authority file /home/lukas/.serverauth.1413



X.Org X Server 1.5.3
Release Date: 5 November 2008
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE i386 
Current Operating System: FreeBSD sonata.lukas.is-a-geek.org 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #0: Tue Jan 27 08:36:33 PST 2009 lu...@sonata.lukas.is-a-geek.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM i386

Build Date: 27 January 2009  08:59:48AM

Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Jan 27 10:44:07 2009
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
object id 0005 01
src object id 2115 21
record type 1
record type 4
object id 000f 01
src object id 2116 22
record type 4
record type 7
object id 0002 02
src object id 2121 33
src object id 2116 22
record type 1
record type 2
record type 4
finished output detect: 0
Dac detection success
finished output detect: 1
finished all detect
before xf86InitialConfiguration
in RADEONProbeOutputModes
Dac detection success
after xf86InitialConfiguration
failed to set mtrr: Invalid argument
Output 68 disable success
Blank CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC memreq 0 success
Blank CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC memreq 1 success
mc fb loc is 00ef00d0
(EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
Output 68 disable success
Blank CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC memreq 0 success
Blank CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC memreq 1 success
Output 68 disable success
Blank CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC 0 success
Disable CRTC memreq 0 success
Mode 1280x1024 - 1688 1066 5
freq: 10800
best_freq: 10800
best_feedback_div: 48
best_ref_div: 2
best_post_div: 6
Set CRTC PLL success
Set CRTC Timing success
Not using RMX
scaler 0 setup success
Set CRTC 0 Source success
Output DAC1 setup success
Output 68 enable success
Enable CRTC memreq 0 success
Enable CRTC 0 success
Unblank CRTC 0 success
Blank CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC 1 success
Disable CRTC memreq 1 success
wsoundserver warning: could not locate specified file
wsoundserver warning: could not locate specified file
wsoundserver warning: could not locate specified file

waiting for X server to shut down XIO:  fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily 
unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
  after 2149 requests (2149 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 
XIO:  fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
  after 1376 requests (1376 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 
XIO:  fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
  after 2344 requests (2342 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 
XIO:  fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
  after 48875 requests (124 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 
XIO:  fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
  after 18635 requests (18628 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 
Output 68 disable success

wmCalendar: Fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server 
:0.0.
B

Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device

2009-01-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 01:49:36PM -0500, Vladislav Sekulic wrote:

> Thanks, Wojciech and Jerry, for your help.
> 
> Quoting Jerry McAllister :
> 
> >First of all, you say that you have allocated 27GB of 238GB available.
> >Is that 238GB in the existing slice - gm0s1 or is it outside of
> >that slice?   (NOTE, the 's' in the device name stands for slice -
> >so it is slice 1 of a possible 4).
> >
> 
> It's 27GB used within the existing slice; gm0s1 spans the entire disk.
> 
> >It could be helpful if you posted you  /etc/fstab  file and also
> >what is printed if you do:bsdlabel gm0s1   or, if it is what
> >they call 'dangerously dedicated'  do:  bsdlabel gm0
> >
> 
> $ sudo bsdlabel /dev/mirror/gm0s1
> # /dev/mirror/gm0s1:
> 8 partitions:
> #size   offsetfstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
>   a:  104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 8
>   b:  8320016  1048576  swap
>   c: 4883759370unused0 0 # "raw"  
> part, don't edit
>   d:  2097152  93685924.2BSD 2048 16384 28528
>   e: 10485760 114657444.2BSD 2048 16384 28528
>   f: 41943040 219515044.2BSD 2048 16384 28528

OK.   Based on this you can just do thebsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/gm0s1
as root (or from the fixit)  and then, right after the definition of 
the 'f:' partition make an 'h:' partition with '*' as both size and offset.
eg.
h:   ** 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528

Write and exit from the edit session and then newfs the new partition
and fix up your /etc/fstab - the real one, not the fixit one
so it will mount where you want it - don't forget to make the mount point.
It should work just fine.   

Note, that when you are running from the fixit, it makes a filesystem
in memory and mounts that as root (/).   Your real root from the disk
will probably be in  /dev/mirror/gm0s1a  so you will need to make
a mount point in the memory root, let's say  /tmproot and mount to
that and then edit that fstab.eg

Boot from fixit - get that holographic shell going

  bsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/gm0s1
Do the editing, write and quit
  mkdir /tmproot
  mount -w /dev/mirror/gm0s1a /tmproot
  cd /tmproot/etc
  vi fstab
fix it up, write and quit

Pull the CD, reboot and things should be just fine.

My only concern is, I have never used the fixit on a mirror.
I presume it should look just the same, but who knows, it might
have a different looking address.I hope the gmirror stuff 
works on the fixit.   If not, you will need to make a boot on
something else - another hard disk with a full system.

jerry
> 
> >If it is all in that gmos1 slice, then just use bsdlabel on that
> >slice to add the rest to another partition within that slice.  Just
> >boot from something other than that mirror, make sure nothing
> >in gm0 is mounted and then do:   bsdlabel -e gm0s1  and fix it
> >up as needed.
> >
> 
> Great, makes sense.  I'll boot from the FreeBSD livecd and do this.
> 
> Thanks again!
> Vlad
> 
> --
> Vladislav Sekulic
> Research Computing System Administrator
> Systems and Networks Research Group
> Dept. of Computer Science, University of Toronto
> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~pocsys
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Proskurin Kirill

Peter пишет:

Proskurin Kirill wrote:
  

Peter wrote:


Hi,

Try updating to lastest version:

BIOS
RAID Controller BIOS
RAID Controller Firmware
  

Do you think it can be a problem?
It is possible to test it some how?

This host is really far away from me.




Last 3 months I had issues will DELL 1650 and DELL R200.
In both cases BIOS update fixed it.

1) DELL 1650 - FreeBSD did not want to installl, after BIOS udpate all
went well
2) DELL  R200 with SATA - no problems
2) DELL R200 with SAS, installed well, extremely scary message about
HDD, after BIOS update, RAID controller BIOS udpate and RAID controller
firmware udpate all went well

BTW when the R200 scared me , I got a DELL diagniostic CD with FreeDOS
and it did full system test. If you can get KVM over IP, have someone to
put in the CD and 2 hours downtime is acceptable, it is good idea to run
that CD on your machine.
  

Well it is possible - but what information it can give me?
Could you explain - just to know if this 2 hours is acceptable for this.

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Re[2]: Can not set up two ADSL link to provider

2009-01-27 Thread KES
Здравствуйте, Chuck.

Вы писали 27 января 2009 г., 1:57:10:

CS> On Jan 26, 2009, at 3:34 PM, KES wrote:
>> I can not setup two ADSL PPPoE Links to same provider.
>> Because of imposibility to setup route for second connection
>> First connection gets:
>> ng0: flags=88d1  
>> metric 0 mtu 1492
>>inet 92.113.94.215 --> 195.5.5.203 netmask 0x
>>
>> Second can not be established because of:
>> Jan 27 01:27:55 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Add address  
>> 92.113.94.249/32->195.5.5.203 to ng1
>> Jan 27 01:27:55 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Adding IPv4 address to ng1  
>> failed: File exists

CS> You should talk to your network provider and ask them whether they  
CS> want you to do multilink PPP or IEEE 802.3ad link aggregation.  Either
CS> way, the bonding of the two connections should give you a single  
CS> virtual network interface (tunX for the first, probably, and laggX in
CS> the second case) which has only a single route.

CS> For example:
CS> 
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/erx/junose80/swconfig-physical/html/ethernet-config14.html

CS> ...talks about "After you configure the LAG bundle, you can route IP  
CS> traffic over it, create a VLAN over it, or route PPPoE traffic over it."

I do not want to aggregate links. I want use them as standalone
I had two servers, two lans and two ADSLs. Now I have one server, four
NICs: first LAN1, second LAN2, third ADSL1, forth ADSL2
I want to route LAN1 through ADSL1, LAN2 through ADSL2. LAN1/LAN2 must
not interact with each other. For each LAN I use its own FIB (routing
table).
Only one problem: I can not run setup two PPPoE link if for second
link is leased same gateway as for first

So, is it possible to workaround this problem?

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Re: Re[2]: Can not set up two ADSL link to provider

2009-01-27 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:23 AM, KES wrote:
CS> ...talks about "After you configure the LAG bundle, you can  
route IP
CS> traffic over it, create a VLAN over it, or route PPPoE traffic  
over it."


I do not want to aggregate links. I want use them as standalone
I had two servers, two lans and two ADSLs. Now I have one server, four
NICs: first LAN1, second LAN2, third ADSL1, forth ADSL2
I want to route LAN1 through ADSL1, LAN2 through ADSL2. LAN1/LAN2 must
not interact with each other. For each LAN I use its own FIB (routing
table).
Only one problem: I can not run setup two PPPoE link if for second
link is leased same gateway as for first

So, is it possible to workaround this problem?


Talk to your ISP.  :-)

I find it perhaps unusual that you would be in a circumstance which is  
well-suited for link aggregation and would gain from the higher  
bandwidth and redundancy advantages which it offers, but do not want  
to do so.  Well, you know your circumstances best


Regards,
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Re: tool for detecting filesystem?

2009-01-27 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

> Later, in a different city, I played it on my MacBook.  It was a slideshow
>> with music that had been created using a Roxio product.  I did a
>> right-click
>> on the CD's icon and selected "Get Info", where I learned that the CD was
>> formatted for UDF.
>>
>> What would have been the best/easiest way to determine the filesystem
>> present on a CD or hard drive partition from within FreeBSD?
>>
>
> [r...@wojtek ~]# file -s /dev/ad0a
> /dev/ad0a: Unix Fast File system [v2] (little-endian) last mounted on
> /mnt3, last written at Tue Dec 30 00:29:21 2008, clean flag 1, readonly flag
> 0, number of blocks 49992, number of data blocks 49439, number of cylinder
> groups 4, block size 8192, fragment size 1024, average file size 16384,
> average number of files in dir 64, pending blocks to free 0, pending inodes
> to free 0, system-wide uuid 0, minimum percentage of free blocks 0, SPACE
> optimization
>
>
Thanks.

Andrew
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Control IRQ assignment?

2009-01-27 Thread patrick
I'm running FreeBSD 7.1 on a new Dell Inspiron 530s. I'm having an
issue where the same IRQ is being assigned for multiple devices, and I
have a device that absolutely needs its own IRQ. The BIOS is very
limiting, and won't allow me to disable shared IRQ assignment. Some
suggestions I've read about booting FreeBSD with ACPI hasn't been an
option, because without it enabled, FreeBSD does not see the SATA
controllers/disks, and thus won't boot. Linux has a utility called
irqbalance (http://www.irqbalance.org/) that seems like it could be
promising, but of course it is Linux-specific. Is there any way in
FreeBSD that I can help the system decide which IRQs to assign to
what?
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audit not working

2009-01-27 Thread Martin Badie
Hi,

I am trying to have audit logs but i can't and frankly I couldn't able to find 
out what is wrong with my conf files:

audit_control:

dir:/var/audit
flags:lo,+ex
minfree:20
naflags:lo
policy:cnt,argv
filesz:0

audit_warn:

logger -p security.warning "audit warning: $@"
#
# Compress audit trail files on close.
#
if [ "$1" = closefile ]; then
gzip -9 $2
fi


my audit_user file is empty and all other 2 files are untouched. But  only line 
I get is:


header,93,10,audit startup,0,Tue Jan 27 22:34:14 2009, + 916 msec
subject,root,root,wheel,root,wheel,1571,1571,0,0.0.0.0
text,auditd::Audit startup
return,success,0
trailer,93

praudit /dev/auditpipe also doesn't give me real time logs. One last point is 
that sometimes with the configuration above i get some command execution lines 
but not all of them so  I could't figure out what is wrong with my config.

I appreciate if someone in this list can help me.


Regards.



  
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Michael toth


Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Michael Toth wrote:
>>
>> Proskurin Kirill wrote:
>>> Michael Toth wrote:
 Proskurin Kirill wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> What we have:
> Dell 2950 with FreeBSD-7.0-p9 on it.
> It work as mail server(Exim+Dovecot and so on).
> All latest version from ports.
>
>
> After start a production use - it is start to reboot 3-4 times a day
> with no reason. We think what it is a hardware problem.
>
> We swap RAM - not helps.
> We swap chassis - not helps.
> I rebiuld all ports - not helps.
> (well i notice what it start to be more stable - 1 reboot in 1-2
> days)
>
> In attach screens of error what i have to catch.
>
>
> Can someone say - what it can be or how to find what may cause this?
>
 Hi,
  Are you by any chance running 'megarc' to check your raid
 controller ?

>>> Hm
>>>
>>> Port:   megarc-1.51
>>> Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
>>> Info:   LSI Logic's MegaRAID controlling software
>>> Maint:  gerrit.be...@gmx.de
>>> B-deps:
>>> R-deps:
>>> WWW:http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/
>>>
>>> Do you think it can work with Dell controller?
>>>
>> I know it works w/ the Dell controllers, I have also had issues with it
>> where it randomly made my machines (all Power Edge 2950 running 7.x)
>> core dump
>
> mail# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
> mail# make install clean
> ===>  megarc-1.51 is marked as broken: Running megarc seems to cause
> memory corruption.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc.
> mail#
>
> Hm. Do I really need it? :-)
>
No, you do not really need it, it would just allow you to get
information from the raid controller (and as I said before this port
caused me issues and core dump'd my machines)
I was more trying to get at IF you were running this that if may have
been the cause of your issues.

As someone else has already mentioned you really need to find out if
there is a kernel panic or not and going from there.


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Question about install of Fortran compiler

2009-01-27 Thread V. M. Tame-Reyes


Hello FreeBSD community,

I had a friend download all the files in freeBSD ports site
(the official one) so i have a large collection of .tbz files
but i don't seem to be able to find a correct fortran 77
compiler, i already installed c compiler, but calling g77
wouldn't work.

Any help anyone could provide ?

Best regards,

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Re: Question about install of Fortran compiler

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Everett
The FreeBSD ports tree has a number of Fortran compilers in the ports 
collection:


http://www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html

To install one from the ports collection, su to root and then install 
the port.


For example to install G95 
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/lang/g95/pkg-descr)


cd /usr/ports/lang/g96
make
make test
make install






V. M. Tame-Reyes wrote:


Hello FreeBSD community,

I had a friend download all the files in freeBSD ports site
(the official one) so i have a large collection of .tbz files
but i don't seem to be able to find a correct fortran 77
compiler, i already installed c compiler, but calling g77
wouldn't work.

Any help anyone could provide ?

Best regards,

--
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Re: x11/libXrandr, x11-toolkits/libXmu, graphics/jasper fails to build

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:27 -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
> Hi,
> have you solved the problem yet? I also have libXmu failed to
> upgrade due to libxcb-xlib.la. Thanks!!
> 

Yeah, it worked. Run 'portupgrade -a -rf libxcb' and go and do something
else for a day... :)

> 
> TFC
> 
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Da Rock  
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 22:04 -0500, Robert Noland wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:22 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> >> > Here's another one:
> >> >
> >> > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC--mode=link cc -D_THREAD_SAFE
> >> > -I/usr/local/include   -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include
> >> > -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -version-number
> >> > 2:1:0 -no-undefined  -o libXrandr.la -rpath /usr/local/lib Xrandr.lo
> >> > XrrConfig.lo XrrCrtc.lo XrrMode.lo  XrrOutput.lo XrrProperty.lo
> >> > XrrScreen.lo -L/usr/local/lib -lX11   -L/usr/local/lib -lXext -lXrender
> >> > -lX11
> >> > grep: /usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la: No such file or directory
> >> > sed: /usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la: No such file or directory
> >> > libtool: link: `/usr/local/lib/libxcb-xlib.la' is not a valid libtool
> >> > archive
> >> > *** Error code 1
> >> >
> >> > I tried a search myself: ng.
> >> > I tried to find a config switch for libxcb: ng.
> >> >
> >> > Let me know what else you need or what I can do to help here. Obviously
> >> > other ports are dependent on these and are therefore failing as well.
> >> > FWIW this is an upgrade using portupgrade.
> >>
> >> This is fallout from the libxcb update.  xcb-xlib no longer exists, you
> >> need to update everything that depends on libxcb using your preferred
> >> method.
> >
> > I'd also like to point out that I just rebooted and X died in the
> > hole... :) Missing rgb files and what not
> >
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Re: x11/libXrandr, x11-toolkits/libXmu, graphics/jasper fails to build

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 12:47 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
> Em Ter, 2009-01-27 às 09:27 -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng escreveu:
> 
> > Hi,
> > have you solved the problem yet? I also have libXmu failed to
> > upgrade due to libxcb-xlib.la. Thanks!!
> 
> I removed every instance of libxb-xlib.la from /usr/local/lib/*.la
> than it all works again
> 
> a shell script like:
> ==
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> lista=`find /usr/local/lib  -type f -name "*.la"`
> 
> if [ -n "$lista" ]
> then
>   for i in $lista
>   do
>   if grep $1 $i > /dev/null
>   then
>   sed -i "" "s|/usr/local/lib/$1||" $lista
>   fi
>   done
> fi
> 
> supose you name this shell ->  XX
> than.
> sh XX libxcb-xlib.la 
> will do the trick
> 
> after that, you will be able to build things again.

I've been talking to the porters and that would not be the recommended
way of fixing this. Running portupgrade -a -rf libxcb resolves the
issue.

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Re: Solaris Compat?

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

stupid things


I do share this point of view, but sadly, an open system like
the Web has been polluted and made unusable (or at least has the
tendency to be this way) for those who cannot access this
propretary product / format.

Don't get me wrong, I've played a bit with "Flash" on FreeBSD,
found it useless and am living happily now without it, without
what i personally found is that webpage that can't be viewed at all 
without flash most often doesn't have any usable information.


for pages that have some flash extras like adverts etc.. it's even 
adventage not having this.


Once again - every company can limit it's userbase just becasue it wants.
Flash as a standard isn't bad, but because of this, it's not really a 
standard.

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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 16:04 +, RW wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:56:15 +1000
> Da Rock  wrote:
> 
> 
> > I'm also ashamed that they released it in a hurry to compete in this
> > condition to a very sceptical Window$ crowd. 
> 
> People have to use KDE4 in significant numbers for it to mature. The
> real problem was not that they released it, but that Linux distributions
> rushed to make it the default version, or in some cases the only
> version, in their packaging systems. From what I've read, many people
> in the KDE4 project were not happy about this. If most distributions
> had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default,
> or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have
> been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive
> attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete.
> 

Thats a fair comment for the linux crowd... :)

> BTW, I don't think it's really fair to suggest that KDE4 is trying to
> ape Vista, it looks to me as if the've both just borrowed a lot from
> OS-X, A lot of the other stuff in KDE4, has been under development for a
> long-time.  

Another fair comment, but they were still competing with Vista to the
punch and only just made it- consider the media releases around the time
of the Vista launch from the kde marketers. They were offering kde on M
$!

Personally I would have waited for the Vista cock up to reveal itself
while I tidied up kde4, THEN swooped in with this really cool
alternative to save the day. Once people realised that this could run on
a FOSS you'd get these projects mobbed with new users (good for linux
anyway).

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Looking for a Good FreeBSD and General Unix Backup System

2009-01-27 Thread Martin McCormick
Several months ago, I started using dar to backup a
number of FreeBSD and Linux systems to one FreeBSD box. It
worked fine once one got the syntax of the remote commands
working, but then it all died when I moved it to a new
FreeBSD6.3 system. 

If I can't figure out what is wrong or whether it is
worth fixing, I am going to have to find some other archiver so
we can get good backups and trust them to be easily restored.

What we plan to do is backup a bunch of Unix systems to
one FreeBSD box and then use a commercial package to back that
box up to an enterprise-wide system we use. The archiver we need
must be able to make 1 full backup of each system like tar and
then incrementals until we are ready for another full backup.

Any suggestions as to what is best? Dar seemed to be
okay until the incrementals would hang each time with some error
messages about the format version being too high which is bogus
because we are using the same version for all the effected
systems.

The archive files should use tar or some other common
storage method so we could unpack an archive from a Linux system
in to a FreeBSD directory or vice versa.

Any backup packages using tar would be fine as long as
they can do incremental backups and use ssh as the transport.

Any ideas are appreciated.

Thank you.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: Control IRQ assignment?

2009-01-27 Thread Dan Nelson

In the last episode (Jan 27), patrick said:
> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1 on a new Dell Inspiron 530s. I'm having an issue
> where the same IRQ is being assigned for multiple devices, and I have a
> device that absolutely needs its own IRQ.  The BIOS is very limiting, and
> won't allow me to disable shared IRQ assignment.  Some suggestions I've
> read about booting FreeBSD with ACPI hasn't been an option, because
> without it enabled, FreeBSD does not see the SATA controllers/disks, and
> thus won't boot.  Linux has a utility called irqbalance
> (http://www.irqbalance.org/) that seems like it could be promising, but of
> course it is Linux-specific.  Is there any way in FreeBSD that I can help
> the system decide which IRQs to assign to what?

irqbalance doesn't do what you think it does; it simply pins interrupt
handlers on particular CPUs.  The only way to ensure that a given device has
an IRQ line to itself is to look at your motherboard documentation,
determine which IRQs are wired to which PCI slots, and rearrange your cards
to assign your troublesome device an IRQ of its own.  Some motherboards let
you assign onboard devices (NICs, parallel port, etc) to different
interrupts, too.

-- 
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar


On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:53:51 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:

fortunately it's only tendency to "trendy" software like KDE. not for all
unix software.


But sadly for the most software that is used for real productivity,
such as media players, programming environments, or even web browsers
and mail clients.


"programming environment"? what do you mean?

unix itself is THE BEST (tm) programming environment i've ever seen, with 
most powerfull project manager called make(1), plus LOTS of tools to 
automatize most of other things.


of course - not everybody likes to "waste" few hours to fully understand 
things, get "cool" "trendy" "programming environment" and then waste few 
hours every day.


classic unix programs as so flexible that it's often usable for things 
they were not supposed to.


For example - i use make and C preprocessor to make webpages :)

instead of all this .css i use headers where i define all colors font 
sizes etc.


i want to change colors on all pages - just one line in one file
and run make


same or faster every release on THE SAME machine!


Exactly, that's why I'm such a happy FreeBSD user, or, to be honest,
HAVE BEEN, because I think... well, sometimes I could crash the
stupid box against the wall because things that worked well years
ago when I setup the system with "old" software aren't possible
with "modern" software anymore, and that's a thing I cannot


so why don't you revert to old software?


believe. Evolution is good, but what if it's not only about
adding, fixing and optimizing things, but making things impossible,


why do you use evolution? i installed it once, started once and after 
being shocked how crappy it is i deinstalled it.


text mode mail clients are the best, like mutt, alpine etc.

there is not a problem if you like to view attachments, just define a 
graphic viewer in alpine etc..



Hardware
- = speed++
FreeBSD--

And yes, I think I could notice the speed improvement in the
past. Improvements in performance and startup speed are always
welcome, allthough they're not a major issue to me. As long
as it works flawlessly in general, I'm happy. :-)


with FreeBSD you get both.


it's not unix problem. it's problem of people that like to have their unix
be "like windows" so it is :)


I cannot imagine one (!) reason why I would like to have my UNIX
to be like "Windows", I'm happy it NOT like "Windows". :-)


me too, but ask others why ;)


what exactly software you rebuild and found slower (except KDE/Gnome
bloatware) ?


You're inviting me to complain. :-)

Before I will start, I may say that I often heared that "KDE is
an excellent development platform", so I tried it out,


from whom ? :) KDE is unless


especially because of KDEvelop which I found quite interesting
(running it without KDE). KDE and Gnome are simply too much
for my machine - end for me. So much stuff I don't need and


believe me, there are NO BETTER development platform than standard unix 
tools



First I found that compiling lasts much longer. I know that the


yes gcc gets slower.


anyway - i don't compile kernel and FreeBSD every day.

something like every year is closer.


And burncd doesn't work on my CD/DVD recorder anymore, but
I have already made the switch to ATAPICAM oriented programs
such as cdrecord and cdrdao.


i already did the same. i don't even have atapicd driver in kernel


Now for X. The startup of X has been "improved" over
the startup of XFree86. It now lasts almost 10s from "startx"
to X. Launching WindowMaker needs no more than 1s of this
time. But sadly, X cannot run 1400x1050 anymore. Autodetect


X -configure
then edit xorg.conf manually. that's all.


others on that list: Whenever I switch to textmode and then
back to X, the content of the edit buffer (that what you select
with the left button and output with the middle button)
gets output at the window where the mouse is! So if it is


to tell you the truth i don't switch to textmode. i found my own "desktop 
enviroment ;)" much better, with switching desktops defined in ALT-F*, and 
by default having xterm running full screen, and all window frames, 
decorations and buttons disabled.


so xterm looks like true text console. except i can run X clients from it.



well you wrote so much i would need to spend a bit time to read it all.

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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 17:52 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default,
> > or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have
> > been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive
> > attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete.
> 
> it's not OSS problem but general problem with all software. this problem 
> started with commercial software some years ago because PEOPLE WANTED 
> THIS.
> 
> they wanted to have top-end rubbish as most of poeple don't do anything 
> more on their computer than starting few simple programs and a web 
> browser, but wanted to stay "ahead".
> 
> That's why both windoze and KDE (and lots of others) software is such a 
> crap.
> 
> But it's very simple solution for that for everyone slightly smarter than 
> idiot.
> 
> Simply DON'T use them. You can do all things with non-"trendy" unix 
> programs, and with "archaic" unix way of computing.
> 
> for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as 
> name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you use.
> 
> that's all. the wistles are not needed for work. Actually it makes work 
> harder and much less efficient. You don't need "desktop features", you 
> jest need programs that do what you need, and run them.
> 
> Leave all this colorful whistles to average monkey.

Ok, call me monkey average then :) Only this monkey is starting to work
on drivers for FreeBSD I like a nice looking system to work on - it
helps motivate and inspire me to make something easy and useful for
people to feel comfortable working with. That said I'm using xfce4
(based on your comments) adjusted to use transparency and all the cool
stuff (even compiz-fusion, which I haven't yet found a use for so its
disabled atm).

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Re: Looking for a Good FreeBSD and General Unix Backup System

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar



Several months ago, I started using dar to backup a
number of FreeBSD and Linux systems to one FreeBSD box. It
worked fine once one got the syntax of the remote commands
working, but then it all died when I moved it to a new
FreeBSD6.3 system.



if you are backup up to disk on same/other server, use rsync.

cp -lpR is very useful for doing "snapshots"
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

long-time.


Another fair comment, but they were still competing with Vista to the
punch and only just made it- consider the media releases around the time
of the Vista launch from the kde marketers. They were offering kde on M
$!

let they compete how much as they like. be happy at least in this we have 
close-to-free market rules. both fills large market niche for those who 
like to have useless system with lots of bells and whistles


i simply stay away from this crap, and wish you the same.
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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

worse, if I compare them to older versions. And if I try to
print pages, they look terrible (exceed page borders).
Furthermore, it crashes more often than Opera 5 or 7. When


do you have opera 7 package somewhere? i would like to downgrade.
yes it got very bad.


Ah yes, and Firefox doesn't have a key combination to quit
the program (such as every other program has, usually something
like Ctrl-Q).


with my fvwm2 config i simply press CTRL+right mouse click to close 
window:)



Firefox has always been criticised for being slower than
every other browser. I'm still sticking to Opera because
I like the look and feel, the good keyboard support and
the mouse gestures. Yes, I know some of them can be installed
to FF as an addition, but... it's not the same! :-)


the best browser i've seen is links (graphics mode). excellent font 
rendering, excellent speed, but unfortunately quite limited HTML 
processing.




Oh and printing, apsfilter, allthough equipped with the same
settings as before, doesn't utilize the duplexer of my HP
Laserjet 4000 duplex office class printer. It reqires me to
pull paper cartridges (because it uses them, even if paper
is in tray 1) and then put paper manually (!) into tray 1.


well i have laserjet 4 and use ghostscript+lpr. can't help you.


I know that most of these "improvements" come along when the
developers decide to move to a new version of the toolkit,
for example Gtk to Gtk 2, such as it has been in X-Chat.
Try to follow this example (or try it by yourself): Normally,
you have X-Chat with a startup dialog of the available IRC
servers. In Gtk 1, you could double-click on an entry and


simply use text mode irc clients like epic or BitchX.


Now for mail. Sylpheed has always been a good mail client,


fast is relative. for me it always been slow.

USE TEXT MODE MAIL CLIENTS.


to incorporate new mail (from /var/mail, I fetch separately
via fetchmail) disables its whole GUI for several seconds,


which is funny as every normal mail clients reads mailbox files directly.

alpine reads maildir dirs directly, and i use maildir format (through 
procmail).



The image viewer xzgv, a fine thing, now has problems displaying
the file and directory icons on the left. Let's say the window


yes it get broken. no cure for this, i use xv now only.
it's bad, xzgv was useful.



bar is  [|||-]. While I keep holding down cursor up
or cuirsor left, this bar should move [] until the
end of the file. But now, allthough I can hear the sound "move",
the bar AND the screen content doesn't update, so I could reach
the file's end without knowing it. And OSD doesn't work anymore,
but I don't care for this.


look at port options. i installed mplayer recently, works fine.
i use it regularly


Whenever I quit some programs (confirmed for: xmms, xzgv), the


mpg123 is your friend. best ever mp3 player.


For a long time, StarOffice 5.2 was my tool of choice when I
thought I needed something except LaTeX. It didn't matter
that it brought its own desktop. For some time afterwards,
versions 1.x of OpenOffice could be installed via pkg_add,
including the german version. Since 2.x and now with 3.x,
it seems that compiling it is required. I don't have an
office package installed at the moment, I think I should
look if AbiWord can be installed as a german version...
(I prefer my system to be english-only, with this particular
piece of software as the only exception.)


use LyX.


Then, the Midnight Commander has been "improved". The command
line now includes the full path, and for longer paths, column


ports/misc/mc-light


not mentioning Slowlaris :)


Hey hey, Solaris is not that bad, it's my secondary OS (usually


well with solaris you have lots of time to make your tea or coffee :)


unfortunately you are right. but you can use IMHO firefox with GTK1


This would be an exception, and maybe it would reduce in
functionality.


no it works fine.


from the system's speed gain. That's why I love to use them instead
of their "oversized brothers".


so use them as long as you can - as i do.


I would still run my 5.x system, I would change back ANY DAY.


i don't mean old FreeBSD version, but old programs.

dig out older ports tree and extract needed ports :)


There is NO USE for it's "GUI", and it's programs are toys, not much
usable.


KDE's philosophy seems to resemble the same concepts that have
spoiled users who are long time "Windows" users: Put as much
functions as possible into one program. Don't mind if it takes


which is exactly opposite to unix philosophy, having small program doing 
little things but doing it well, and a method to automatically use many 
different programs to get your job done.


i really prefer unix philosophy.


I think that's UNIX great advantage over all these "one program
does everything" concepts. Sure, there are many little tools


that the reason i think that things like KDE in unix are pure nonsense.
for those who like windoze way of computing, windo

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Leave all this colorful whistles to average monkey.


Ok, call me monkey average then :)

Yes i do.


Only this monkey is starting to work
on drivers for FreeBSD


And first wasting half of it's time for all this "cool stuff" instead of 
work on drivers!


Of course we are happy someone works on improving/writing drivers be it 
monkey or not ;)

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Re: Solaris Compat?

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar

do stupid things


I really, really dislike the notion that any company, in the selfishly sheer
pursuit of profits, should be able to dictate to anyone what that person should
be able to do, giving that it's within the limits of the law.  Not allowing one
to view many sites ISN'T within the moral control of any company.


Those who disallow you to view many sites are the sites authors!! Nothing 
else.


Properly designed page is viewable in ANY browser. It's not bad to use 
flash for some "flashing" adverts, as long as you can browse the site 
without this.


The REAL information doesn't need any extras, and should be always 
readable with simplest text-based browser.


They don't just dumps out potential readers that don't use "the only 
right" OS and browser.


They too - dumps out all disabled people, most importantly blind.

It's not a problem for a blind to read plain text on computers (there are 
LOTS of solutions for this), but navigating in graphics-only manus etc. is 
impossible.

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Re: FreeBSD 7.0 reboots on Dell 2950

2009-01-27 Thread Brian A. Seklecki

> mail# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc
> mail# make install clean
> ===>  megarc-1.51 is marked as broken: Running megarc seems to cause 
> memory corruption.


We have a PR open on that  - 
ports/130326:

http://groups.google.com/group/lucky.freebsd.ports.bugs/browse_thread/thread/14c7c3b8261e8be7/f8cd79bbd9404609?lnk=raot&pli=1


~BAS


> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/megarc.
> mail#
> 
> Hm. Do I really need it? :-)





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Re: Looking for a Good FreeBSD and General Unix Backup System

2009-01-27 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 04:30:54PM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   Several months ago, I started using dar to backup a
> number of FreeBSD and Linux systems to one FreeBSD box. It
> worked fine once one got the syntax of the remote commands
> working, but then it all died when I moved it to a new
> FreeBSD6.3 system. 
> 
>   If I can't figure out what is wrong or whether it is
> worth fixing, I am going to have to find some other archiver so
> we can get good backups and trust them to be easily restored.

Depends on _what you want to back up. For backing up FreeBSD system
files, use dump(8). My machines have separate partitions for /, /usr and
/var. These are all backed-up by making dumps.

For backing up user data, like /home, I prefer rsync.

If my machine breaks, I can restore the system from dumps using nothing
but a boot CD and the dumps. (to get / and all ports back up and
running), and then use rsync to restore the user data.

>   What we plan to do is backup a bunch of Unix systems to
> one FreeBSD box and then use a commercial package to back that
> box up to an enterprise-wide system we use. The archiver we need
> must be able to make 1 full backup of each system like tar and
> then incrementals until we are ready for another full backup.
> 
>   Any suggestions as to what is best?

Use the OS's native dump(8) command to back up the system
partitions. It's the best way to do a bare metal recovery.

For the rest, use rsync(1).

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Re: make -jN build with portmaster

2009-01-27 Thread Mel
On Monday 26 January 2009 09:14:21 cpghost wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:41:05PM -0900, Mel wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 January 2009 20:48:22 Doug Barton wrote:
> > > Josh Carroll wrote:
> > > > What I do is the following via make.conf,
> > >
> > > I think this is a good solution. Given that incredible foot-shooting
> > > power of the -j stuff I am not inclined to add something like this to
> > > portmaster, not even as an "advanced" option.
>
> Yes, I understand the problem with that. The make.conf solution
> is good enough for now. ;)
>
> > Given the fact that the build target is presumably -j safe (as far as the
> > ports system is concerned), it would be nice to have a BUILD_JOBS in
> > Mk/bsd.port.mk similar to INDEX_JOBS that is already there. Port
> > maintainers then can also set WITHOUT_PARALLEL (or USE_PARALLEL=NO etc)
> > for ports that break by themselves (f.e. www/lynx, editors/vim).
> > portmaster should then have no problem setting BUILD_JOBS on request.
>
> That would be absolutely perfect!
>
> At least, big ports (www/firefox3 etc...) that take a long time to
> compile could use USE_PARALLEL=YES right now (or the solution with
> make.conf) if they are safe with -jN. The gazillion smallish ports
> could come later when maintainers have some time to follow up, but
> they are not really all that critical.

PR Filed:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=131065
-- 
Mel

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Re: Looking for a Good FreeBSD and General Unix Backup System

2009-01-27 Thread Greg Larkin
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Martin McCormick wrote:
>   Several months ago, I started using dar to backup a
> number of FreeBSD and Linux systems to one FreeBSD box. It
> worked fine once one got the syntax of the remote commands
> working, but then it all died when I moved it to a new
> FreeBSD6.3 system. 
> 
>   If I can't figure out what is wrong or whether it is
> worth fixing, I am going to have to find some other archiver so
> we can get good backups and trust them to be easily restored.
> 
>   What we plan to do is backup a bunch of Unix systems to
> one FreeBSD box and then use a commercial package to back that
> box up to an enterprise-wide system we use. The archiver we need
> must be able to make 1 full backup of each system like tar and
> then incrementals until we are ready for another full backup.
> 
>   Any suggestions as to what is best? Dar seemed to be
> okay until the incrementals would hang each time with some error
> messages about the format version being too high which is bogus
> because we are using the same version for all the effected
> systems.
> 
>   The archive files should use tar or some other common
> storage method so we could unpack an archive from a Linux system
> in to a FreeBSD directory or vice versa.
> 
>   Any backup packages using tar would be fine as long as
> they can do incremental backups and use ssh as the transport.
> 
>   Any ideas are appreciated.
> 
>   Thank you.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

Hi Martin,

It doesn't use tar, but I've had great luck with rsnapshot
(http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/rsnapshot/ -
http://www.rsnapshot.org/) for backing up multiple RedHat Linux and
FreeBSD servers to a central server over SSH.

rsnapshot is very flexible and you can set up your desired retention
policies - hourly, daily, weekly and monthly.  The destination backup
tree is kept as small as possible with the use of hard links.

Best of luck,
Greg Larkin
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Laptop battery life on FreeBSD

2009-01-27 Thread Shawn Badger
Hi, I recently installed FreeBSD 7.1 on my laptop, replacing Arch Linux 
and I noticed a significant drop in my battery life (from ~3 hours to 
~1.5 hours).  I realize that Linux has their "tickless" kernel, which I 
am sure explains the difference, but my question is...  is there 
anything I can do in FreeBSD right now to improve this?  And is there 
going to be any work done the kernel to allow the hardware to enter into 
a low-power state for an extended period of time? 


My laptop is an Acer Travelmate 4100 which has the following hardware:
  - Pentium M 1.6 GHz processer
 - 2 GB RAM
 - integrated video/sound
 - 802.11bg / bluetooth

I'm somewhat of a minimalist and don't use X11.  I've disabled the 
bluetooth adapter, but frequently use my wireless adapter (intel 
pro/2200bg).  Does anyone have any suggestions that could potentially 
extend my battery life?


Thank You,
Shawn





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Re: Laptop battery life on FreeBSD

2009-01-27 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
I'm somewhat of a minimalist and don't use X11.  I've disabled the  
bluetooth adapter, but frequently use my wireless adapter (intel pro/ 
2200bg).  Does anyone have any suggestions that could potentially  
extend my battery life?


Have you tried reducing HZ to 100 (put kern.hz="100" in /boot/ 
loader.conf and reboot)?
Are you running powerd?  Look into "sysctl hw.acpi" and "sysctl  
debug.cpufreq"


Regards,
--
-Chuck

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Programs loading but sitting in limbo whilst not displaying

2009-01-27 Thread Warren Liddell
Im running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64 KDE4.1.4 and recently for no reason i can 
think of when i try and load FireFox or Thunderbird, according to my process 
list, the applications are running, but yet they dont ever show up in KDE to 
use//liaise with.  I have even started them from command line but again, 
nothing, it just sits there, no error msg, but process list again, sais there 
running.  

I have tried recompiling both ports with no success and im runnin gout of 
theorys as to whats happening.

Any ideas/thoughts welcomed.

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Re: SMP Problem on IBM x330 Server

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Everett



Garrett Cooper wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tom Everett  wrote:
  

the CPUs are active in the BIOS.  The BIOS is v 1.05. with 1.06 being the
very latest.

According to IBM the changes from 1.0.5 to 1.0.6 are

Added in serial remote console redirection
Fixed PXE ROM execution failure when using PXE on planar Ethernet #2
Removed the "Auto Configure" IRQ option for the System Service Processor IRQ
setting in POST/BIOS setup to prevent erroneous configuration change and
diskette drive failure messages

I have a number of these machines running linux with no problems.

?


Garrett Cooper wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Tom Everett  wrote:


ok, two problems.  I don't remember that I had the option to explicitly
install an SMP kernl, and looking back here
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html) , I
don't see that sysinstall gave me that option.  Additionally, I have the
kernel source and I see that in GENERIC, SMP is enabled.  Am I missing
something?


Garrett Cooper wrote:


On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Tom Everett wrote:



I originally posted this to "FreeBSD Questions" but was told that the
ACPI list might be more appropriate.

I'm running the "stock" FreeBSD 7.1 kernel on an IBM x330 machine.  The
machine has two physical processors but it seems that FreeBSD 7.1 only sees
one.  I downloaded the kernel source and it seems that the GENERIC kernel
has SMP installed.  Is there something else I can try?  Thanks in advance
for your wisdom.

$ sysctl -a | grep cpu
kern.threads.virtual_cpu: 1
kern.ccpu: 0
kern.smp.cpus: 1
kern.smp.maxcpus: 16
debug.cpufreq.verbose: 0
debug.cpufreq.lowest: 0
debug.kdb.stop_cpus: 1
debug.stop_cpus_with_nmi: 1
debug.PMAP1changedcpu: 0
hw.ncpu: 1
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1
machdep.cpu_idle_hlt: 1
machdep.hlt_cpus: 0
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/0
dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1
dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00%


   Did you install the SMP kernel from sysinstall? There's a difference.
Thanks,
-Garrett


Nope -- that would be it. Is one CPU not active in the BIOS? Do
you have the latest BIOS flashed from IBM? Does a Linux disk see both
CPU's?
Cheers,
-Garrett



I only see one CPU in the kernel output you provided though --
that's why I'm confused. Also, please don't top-post ;).
Thanks!
-Garrett

  
Sry, didn't know that top-posting was bad etiquette.  The BIOS reports 2 
CPUs and that they're both enabled.  Is there some other output I could 
provide that would help?  I can't be 100% sure, but I _think_ this 
worked with FreeBSD 6.


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Re: Laptop battery life on FreeBSD

2009-01-27 Thread Shawn Badger

Chuck Swiger wrote:

On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
I'm somewhat of a minimalist and don't use X11.  I've disabled the 
bluetooth adapter, but frequently use my wireless adapter (intel 
pro/2200bg).  Does anyone have any suggestions that could potentially 
extend my battery life?


Have you tried reducing HZ to 100 (put kern.hz="100" in 
/boot/loader.conf and reboot)?
Are you running powerd?  Look into "sysctl hw.acpi" and "sysctl 
debug.cpufreq"


Regards,
Thanks for the ideas Chuck.  I lowered kern.hz to 100 as you suggested 
(does this affect the kernel's ability to track time in milliseconds?  
ie. if I want to run a benchmark using the 'time' utility?).   And the 
output of the two sysctl queries is posted here:   
http://pastebin.com/m5ae8aa1c


I'm not very familiar with acpi, so if you see anything that could be 
optimized, I'd appreciate the feedback.


Shawn
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Re: Programs loading but sitting in limbo whilst not displaying

2009-01-27 Thread craig001
> Im running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64 KDE4.1.4 and recently for no reason i can
> think of when i try and load FireFox or Thunderbird, according to my process
> list, the applications are running, but yet they dont ever show up in KDE to
> use//liaise with.  I have even started them from command line but again,
> nothing, it just sits there, no error msg, but process list again, sais there
> running.
>
> I have tried recompiling both ports with no success and im runnin gout of
> theorys as to whats happening.
>
> Any ideas/thoughts welcomed.
>
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Hi Warren

I also had this problem, I resolved it by;
portupgrade -Rf firefox

My understanding is that this goes and forcibly builds all of the ports that
firefox depends on, then firefox itself.

If you run the commands with truss it will give you some debug information on
what it is getting stuck on.

Kind Regards

Craig Butler


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Re: Laptop battery life on FreeBSD

2009-01-27 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
Have you tried reducing HZ to 100 (put kern.hz="100" in /boot/ 
loader.conf and reboot)?
Are you running powerd?  Look into "sysctl hw.acpi" and "sysctl  
debug.cpufreq"


Thanks for the ideas Chuck.  I lowered kern.hz to 100 as you  
suggested (does this affect the kernel's ability to track time in  
milliseconds?  ie. if I want to run a benchmark using the 'time'  
utility?).


Changing the scheduler quantum won't affect the system clock or the  
ability to do millisecond-level timing of userland processes.  It does  
affect the granularity of things like ipfw/dummynet if polling is  
enabled, but shouldn't have any real negative effects otherwise.


For most of Unix history, HZ=100 was a common default, and the reduced  
context switch frequency should result in a decent improvement to  
power drain.  If you have a concern, consider comparing against HZ=250  
and see how the battery life and responsiveness or granularity of  
network traffic, etc feel



And the output of the two sysctl queries is posted here:   
http://pastebin.com/m5ae8aa1c

I'm not very familiar with acpi, so if you see anything that could  
be optimized, I'd appreciate the feedback.


I have limited experience with running FreeBSD on a laptop personally  
[1], so others will likely have more relevant feedback; I'm just aware  
of some starting points.  :-)


Regards,
--
-Chuck

[1]: I've helped a few people run FreeBSD 5.x/6.x on various IBM  
ThinkPads (circa T.42s) an maybe an HP Pavillion or Dell Latitude, and  
I've run FreeBSD a bit on a Mac mini and a MacBookPro (2,2), but I  
don't use FreeBSD on a laptop regularly...I think of it as a server  
OS.  :-)


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comms/qfaxreader - printer recognition issue

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Mende

Good day list;

Upgraded from 6.2 to 7.0 via clean install from CDs, then to 7.1 via  
binary update. After upgrading to 7.0 I rebuilt and install all the  
same ports using the same makefile except that the perl entries are  
updated. This port built and install beautifully except it no longer  
recognizes my printer, which it used to do on 6.2. Cups is set as the  
printing system for xfce in the xfce "Printing & System Settings"  
dialogue. This was set prior to installing the comms/qfaxreader port.  
The print dialogue in comms/qfaxreader is greyed out not allowing the  
selection of a printer. Any ideas or help welcomed.


Cheers, Tom

...and everything else prints fine, xpdf, Mousepad (gui test editor),  
Opera (native), and files from the command line using lp (cups version).


uname -mr
7.1-RELEASE-p2 i386

cat /etc/make.conf
CPUTYPE?=pentium3
WITH_CUPS=YES
CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=YES
WITHOUT_LPR=YES
DOC_LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1
# added by use.perl 2009-01-18 18:58:05
PERL_VER=5.8.9
PERL_VERSION=5.8.9

pkg_version -v | grep -i xfce
gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
libxfce4gui-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
libxfce4mcs-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
libxfce4util-4.4.3  =   up-to-date with port
xfce-4.4.3  =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-appfinder-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-desktop-4.4.3 =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.3  =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-mcs-manager-4.4.3 =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-mcs-plugins-4.4.3 =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-media-0.9.2_9 =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-mixer-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-panel-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-print-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-session-4.4.3 =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-utils-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-wm-4.4.3  =   up-to-date with port
xfce4-wm-themes-4.4.3   =   up-to-date with port

pkg_version -v | grep -i qfaxreader
qfaxreader-0.3.1_2  =   up-to-date with port

cat /use/home/tom/.qfaxreader/settingsrc
[export]
format=PNG
scaled=false

[image]
smooth=true
zoom=0.36

[internationalization]
language=Standard

[mainwindow]
dock=\n\n\nFile,View,Image,\n[File,0,0,-1,-1,1][View,0,0,-1,-1,1] 
[Image,0,0,-1,-1,1]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

maximized=true

[printer]
border=false
default=hp2600n

[printer-hp2600n]
bottom=0.5
cmd=/usr/local/bin/lp -d {PRINTER}
left=0.5
paper=ISO A4
pslevel=1
right=0.5
top=0.5
unit=cm

[sidebar]
cidame=true
cidnumber=true
interval=10
lastpath=/var/spool/hylafax/recvq
path=/home/tom
refresh=true
sender=true
size=true
time=true
visible=true
width=286

[statusbar]
cidname=true
cidnumber=true
pages=true
resolution=true
sender=true
time=true
visible=true

[toolbar]
hide_at_fullscr=true
uses_big_pixmaps=true




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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +, RW  wrote:
> IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a
> keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically.

Well, I found this a problem, too, but very early recognized that
there are window managers that can actually combine keyboard AND
mouse control at a very user-friendly level. Such a window manager
is WindowMaker.

It can even utilize the keys on the left of a Sun Type 6 keyboard
for window manager functions (front, back, roll up, hide, full-
screen etc.) which "the big DEs" can't.

What I don't like personally about "the big DEs" is their way of
handling windows through the means of the mouse. You're forced
to click on tiny buttons, and if you enlarge the control buttons,
you end up with uselessly wasting screen space. In WindowMaker,
there are many operations that don't force me to first move the
mouse to a certain place and THEN do the operation I want. This
makes windowing operations, especially in operations context,
very fast and easily.

So professional window managing isn't about minimalism only. There
are other window managers that can provide effects and "bells
and whistles" very efficiently, if you think you need them.
But, of course, they're not "mainstream".


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Re: Solaris Compat?

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:31 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:
> what i personally found is that webpage that can't be viewed at all 
> without flash most often doesn't have any usable information.

There are web pages that, without "Flash", won't even let you know
if you're on the correct page - the HTML source of the index page
doesn't contain anything than one "Flash" reference.

It's with "Flash" loaden pages as with orthography (in Germany at
least): If you have something OF VALUE to tell, content and form
go hand in hand. Professional web projects always honor this point
of view, containing valid (!) HTML and, if "Flash" is included,
there's always a means to bypass it, because it's an ADDITION,
and not required.

Even more important: If you're disabled through a disease of your
eyes (read: you're blind), youre happy about every page that can
be displayed with lynx (or any text mode browser). That's a sign
of quality, especially if img includes alt= and longdesc= for the
visually impaired.



> for pages that have some flash extras like adverts etc.. it's even 
> adventage not having this.

Opera simply displays an empty box, not asking be to download a
plugin that doesn't even exist. :-)



> Once again - every company can limit it's userbase just becasue it wants.
> Flash as a standard isn't bad, but because of this, it's not really a 
> standard.

"Flash" isn't a standard. If it's integrated in every major browser
on any OS (such as viewing JPG images is, for example), then I'd
be glad to review my standpoint. :-)



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Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:36:22 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:
> "programming environment"? what do you mean?

Some "heler application" for integration and managing source
files, such as KDevelop, Eclipse or the like.



> unix itself is THE BEST (tm) programming environment i've ever seen, with 
> most powerfull project manager called make(1), plus LOTS of tools to 
> automatize most of other things.

I've already recognized this fact. I've tried out KDevelop and
Eclipse. Well, fine, they may have their users, but I've not
gotten one of them. To me, text-file based controls are the
best solution. Multiple X Terminals or screen sessions give me
the speed and power to do my development work.

And finally, I've found Makefile to be even a good tool for
web design. Hm? What? Yes, exactly, or to be more precise,
not... I do use it to implement "developer-site SSI replacement",
for uploading content (make upload) and similar tasks. It's
possible! :-)

I have a system to automatize writing of applications for a
job (printed output and PDF for e-mail) based on a config
file, and then a Makefile to create the tex file from it,
and all the other targets.

The advantage to automate things is one of the reasons that
drove me away from those X based development tools. There's
simply too much interaction for nothing.



> of course - not everybody likes to "waste" few hours to fully understand 
> things, get "cool" "trendy" "programming environment" and then waste few 
> hours every day.

If you have a concept for programming (and as a part of it,
implementing source code), you're well off with every tool that
fits your needs. The most clicky-colorful X environment doesn't
help if you can't program.

Trying to falsify this condition, there are many tools for web
developers that output something that's not HTML, claiming that
you don't need to know anything about the Web, HTML, the computer
or anything in life, but everyone can be a web developer (and
see "Flash" for such reasons, too). I think this "click & done"
attitude is found in the programming world, too, but because
programming isn't cool enough (not as cool as web development),
there are not so much causes from these tools, except what some
"script kiddies" do produce. :-)



> classic unix programs as so flexible that it's often usable for things 
> they were not supposed to.

As I introduced above. Hey, in the past I even abused a floppy tape
drive to play music from QIC tapes. :-)



> For example - i use make and C preprocessor to make webpages :)
>
> instead of all this .css i use headers where i define all colors font 
> sizes etc.

CSS isn't that bad, my most use of make and cc is #include with
HTMLPP=cpp -C -P -traditional, and ftp -u 
ftp://$(FTPUSER):$(FTPPASSWD)@$(SERVER) *
for the "make upload" command. Even "make deinstall" (to clean it
from the web server) is possible, how would you do this if
printf "prompt\nmdelete *\nbye\n" | ftp ftp://$(FTPUSER):$(FTPPASSWD)@$(SERVER)/
wasn't possible? :-)



> i want to change colors on all pages - just one line in one file
> and run make

Possible with CSS, too, as long as read from a file (no inline
CSS).



> so why don't you revert to old software?

Impossible. For example, XFree86 -> xorg dependencies. What I
can still use (e. g. xpdf package, LaTeX, xmms) is still in use
here.



> > believe. Evolution is good, but what if it's not only about
> > adding, fixing and optimizing things, but making things impossible,
> 
> why do you use evolution? i installed it once, started once and after 
> being shocked how crappy it is i deinstalled it.

Misunderstanding: I didn't mean Evolution, the e-mail and other
things managmement program, I meant evolution, the Charles Darwin
thing. :-)

I tested the e-mail Evolution once, found it MUCH too complicated
and kept using fetchmail + sylpheed.



> text mode mail clients are the best, like mutt, alpine etc.

Yes, pine was my first working mail client. What I liked most about
text mode clients was that I could access them from everywhere just
by the means of a SSH application.



> > Before I will start, I may say that I often heared that "KDE is
> > an excellent development platform", so I tried it out,
> 
> from whom ? :) KDE is unless

>From KDE users. :-)



> > especially because of KDEvelop which I found quite interesting
> > (running it without KDE). KDE and Gnome are simply too much
> > for my machine - end for me. So much stuff I don't need and
> 
> believe me, there are NO BETTER development platform than standard unix 
> tools

Let me emphasize your use of "standard" here. Because I did use
many differnt platforms (BSD, Linux, Solaris, even IRIX and HP-UX),
I found it quite comfortable that with the means of basic (not
BASIC) knowledge you could do development on all the platforms
in their installed state, no need to install X-based DE tools.
This is due to the fact that all the UNIXes and Linusi share
essential standards, such as standard scripting shel

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:36:34 +1000, Da Rock  
wrote:
> That said I'm using xfce4
> (based on your comments) adjusted to use transparency and all the cool
> stuff (even compiz-fusion, which I haven't yet found a use for so its
> disabled atm).

Maybe this is interesting or inpiring to you:

Hmmm... -> 
http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44-part-2/

Bah! -> 
http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/


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>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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