Re: change the password e-mail account

[jhell]

> All senders, with this the contents of letter, an urgent need to change
> the password e-mail account!
> I think that broke password mailboxes...
> 
>>From my email too, came a letter to the mailing list, but I did not
> send it :(

Bull$hit, You can knock that crap off right now or your no better than
the person that set this garbage up or your the person behind it trying
to work some social engineering tactic that is playing out like a script
kiddie on k00laid.


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Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)

[jhell]

On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote:
> On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote:
>> So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the
>> server machine?
> 
> I can - I would prefer not to.
> 

Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object directory
without installing it.

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Re: ZFS & jails

[jhell]

On 08/21/2010 23:57, Joe wrote:
> I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except
> booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use
> for a jail directory tree.
> 
> Is this possible?

In other words, why would it not be possible ?.

Have fun it sounds like you have a system that could have gave you a
reply before this question had been answered here.


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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:12:03 +0200, claudiu vasadi  
wrote:
> I added the corresponding fstab entries and then I deliberately
> removed the "/mnt/2" folder.

Sorry for sounding picky, but FreeBSD does not have "folders". Those
are called directories. Please try to use the correct terminology.
You don't talk about files as "sheets of paper" either, do you? :-)



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Re: Parklogic making a mess

[Svein Skogen (Listmail account)]

On 22.08.2010 00:48, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:35:57 +0200
> Svein Skogen  wrote:
> 
>> Anybody else seem to get these header-falsified messages lately:
> 
> I think anyone who posts to freebsd-questions is probably getting them.
> I contacted parklogic and got a response telling me I could use an
> anti-spam product to avoid getting it. Not quite the response I had
> hoped for!

I got the exact same response, hence my decision that the entire /18
belonging to this non-serious ISP needs null-routing. They are forging
from-adresses, and clearly have no intention of fixing their mess,
expecting everyone else to run anti-spam products to sort out THEIR problem.

I still think the correct response for this is to make sure the
freebsd.org servers won't be reaching their net (that will stop the
forged messages being triggered by incoming mail), and it just might be
that one or more of their customers will be giving this supplier the
message they NEED to hear: Not sorting out your broken configuration
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Marc Fonvieille]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote:
> Warren Block wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:
> > 
> > > Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
> > 
> > First notes:
> > 
> > You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.
> > 
> > Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
> 
> I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
> huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
> stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
> 
> It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
> everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
> adding fonts.
> 
> While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
> nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
> them now or wait.
>

For x11/xorg-minimal installation you issued the command:

"make install" or "make install VIDEO_DRIVER=your_video_driver" ?

Without the mention of the driver it installs the vesa driver only.
This is sub-optimal, an options screen with all existing drivers should
be proposed.

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Re: Parklogic making a mess

[Roland Smith]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:48:50PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:35:57 +0200
> Svein Skogen  wrote:
> 
> > Anybody else seem to get these header-falsified messages lately:
> 
> I think anyone who posts to freebsd-questions is probably getting them.
> I contacted parklogic and got a response telling me I could use an
> anti-spam product to avoid getting it. Not quite the response I had
> hoped for!

So far these messages come from a single machine (look at the "Received ... by
mx1.freebsd.org" line), 64.38.11.26, which is in a netblock owned by Layered
Technologies, Inc.

The postmaster for freebsd.org has been warned, so he might take action
(refusing mail from that IP address).

If not, on the 19th, I sent a complaint to ab...@layeredtech.com including one
of the spam e-mails with full headers. I propose we wait for a week to see if
Layered Tech take action. If not, then I think it is time some more people sent
complaints. :-) For those in the US, you can also phone them, see
http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/LAT-ARIN.

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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:12:03 +0200, claudiu vasadi  
wrote:
> What happened when a "secondary" hdd cannot be mounted at boot ? From
> experience I know the OS drops to single user mode, which I find incredibly
> stupid because a "non-OS" hdd should not stop the OS from booting up
> (imagine the hdd has a malfunction and then you get lucky enough to get a
> power surge - the OS won't come up because of a darn non-OS-important hdd).

The OS does not know about how you are intending to use a hard disk.
It just knows that /etc/fstab retuires (!) the mounting of a certain
partition at boot time. If this fails, the boot process will NOT
go on.

An example: Let's say you have a mountpoint /foo on the / partition.
This partition has 200 MB free space. The mountpoint /foo will usually
be used for the /dev/da0 disk. After boot, a program will periodically
output data to /foo, and will soon produce several GB of data within
short time. Now assume the system comes up, /dev/da0 not present, okay,
don't mind. Result: Soon / will be full. Problem.

A similar situation happens if a mountpoint that /etc/fstab requires (!)
to be present is NOT present. To the OS, this is a problematic situation
as it requires operator decision.



> TEST scenario:
> 2 hdd's. The system is installed on the first one, and the second one has
> "/mnt/2" as mountpoin. The 2nd disk was labeled and a new ufs partition was
> created. I added the corresponding fstab entries and then I deliberately
> removed the "/mnt/2" folder.

Directory. :-)



> FYI: this "secondary" hdd has no data on it whatsoever.

The OS does not know that.



> Then I rebooted and of course the system went in single user mode. And now
> my question: "WHY" (I know that "rc" finishes abnormally)

A solution would be to code "noauto" for this mount in /etc/fstab,
and then add a custom mount call in /etc/rc.local which can check
both the existance of the device and the mountpoint. You could also
just ignore the errors, because (as far as I remember) a failing
operation in rc.local won't stop the system to fully come up.



> The hdd has no relevant data on it, the OS has no files on it ... basically
> it does not get in the way of anything (except the perfect execution of the
> "rc" framework).

Then mount manually after boot.



> Anyway, it seems to me that "secondary" hdd's mount failure should be
> "ignored" and an OS should be able to come up if one mountpoint does not
> exist or if an entry in fstab is wrong (again, I am talking about non-OS
> related hdd/mountpoints).

I'm not sure how the OS should be able to decide about that, what's
an "OS mount" and what's a "non-OS mount".



> To make things worst, I tested a RHEL5 and the system booted without any
> problems even if the "secondary" hdd's mp was missing.

I won't elaborate on why Linux behaviour is not a reference point for
different operating systems. :-)



> Can someone explain this "weird?" behavior ?

Intended behaviour - PREDICTABLE and SECURE.



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Re: Customizable wall clock for several time zones

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:05:12 -0500, Adam Vande More  
wrote:
> /usr/ports/deskutils/google-gadgets
> Around the World

The dependencies are scaring me off. :-/



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Re: Customizable wall clock for several time zones

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:51:52 +0200, "C. P. Ghost"  wrote:
> Yes, you can do that and it works like a charm:
> 
>   #!/bin/sh
>   # display multiple xclock(1)s side by side
>   for TIMEZONE in ZONE1 ZONE2 ZONE3 ...
>   do
>   env TZ=$TIMEZONE xclock
>   done
> 
> (replace ZONE1, ZONE2, ZONE3 with real time zones
> from /usr/share/zoneinfo)

I already thought about that solution, and using -title should
be possible (as it is with oclock) to "simulate" a caption for
that clock.

Basically, intclock is quite fine, but I prefer round clocks,
all controllable as ONE window; I already thought about merging
intclock with xclock (and looking at oclock), but going with
multiple xclocks will be fine, too.



> You could even set the xclock(s) nicely side by side by using
> the -geometry flag as in:
> 
>   env TZ=$TIMEZONE xclock -geometry "${WIDTH}x${HEIGHT}+${XOFF}+${YOFF}"
> 
> I suggest to keep WIDTH, HEIGHT and YOFF constant, and
> to increment XOFF by $WIDTH plus some small constant for
> every new timezone (use 'expr' to do arithmetic). This way,
> you get them all arrayed side by side.

Right, I've been playing with -geometry for many years now in
order to place certain little windows (without titlebar and all
the stuff) into the lower left corner of my display: xbiff,
xclock, xlogo, xload, xmbmon, and finally an xterm, so they are
nicely placed.




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Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

[Roland Smith]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 04:13:17PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 06:37:36AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/20/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > >On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 06:45:11PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > >>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>of my three tower cases still linked by wires so i can "click-over"
> > >>>to each and use my one screen and keyboard, my server
> > >>>[ethic|ns1.thought.org] has a bad wire to my keyboard.  so i really
> > >>>cannot do much on ethic.
> > >>>
> > >>>i've crawled down under 8 or 9 times and messed with various wires.
> > >>>that was extremely hard as fruitless.  (things were|everything WAS)
> > >>>working fine until i added my battery backup.  the guy who helped me
> > >>>with that 700-pound beast must have gotten something mixed up.  because
> > >>>of his age (70's) and fraility i don't want to ask him to crawl around
> > >>>under there (&c).  the two boxes that are working are impossible for me
> > >>>to pull out and look at.  hopefully there are a couple freebsd types
> > >>>who rely on kvm wires to do serious work and can give me some clues.
> > >>>
> > >>/usr/ports/sysutils/synergy
> > >>
> > >
> > >   this looks very interesting, thank you.  the catch is that it
> > >   depends on X.  i don't have X installed on the server. .
> > >
> > 
> > ssh?
> > 
> 
>   sure.  for simple things.  but i need to get X going to get my UPS 
>   set up.   also, to properly upgrade things.  i was upgrading via
>   ssh and something broke.  it took an hour of messing around to get
>   ethic back up, fsck'd , and mail working.

You just said two things that seem to contradict each other. You said you need
to get X going to get the UPS set up, but earlier you said you don't have X
installed on the server?

Why would you need X to "properly upgrade things?" The upgrading of both the
OS and ports works primarily with command-line tools. Do you realize that you 
can
make more than one ssh connection to a server in case you want e.g. one shell
to make run programs in and another to keep an eye on things.

If you don't have X set up on the server, you should use ssh (or telnet if you
have a trusted network). If you do have X set up on the server, you can use
the net/vnc port to view the server's X11 screen on another machine. And ssh
can also do X forwarding.

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perl & p5-Gtk2: FileChooser hangs infinitely

[Ross]

Hi, all.

Could you please test this script (requires x11-toolkits/p5-Gtk2):
-
#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use Gtk2 -init;

my $filechooser = Gtk2::FileChooserButton->new("Choose a file", 'open');

print "XXX\n";
-
It should just print XXX and exit. On my system (8.1-STABLE/amd64) it
never prints anything. Just hangs on the first line. I don't know what
to do - submit a PR? Reinstall everything?
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Linux DRI as software renderer

[David DEMELIER]

Hi,

I have a trouble running enemy-territory (from port) using Linux
emulation. I enabled the WITHOUT_NOUVEAU knob to get a full hardware
GLX with my radeon hd4330 mobility and it works well for native games
such as teeworlds, UrbanTerror and so on.

The problem is enemy-territory and linux games like ut2004-demo too.
Enemy territory starts with :

[...]
 - R_Init -
...loading libGL.so.1: Initializing OpenGL display
...setting mode 6: 1024 768
Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or
internal Xlib length error)
  Major opcode of failed request: 136
  Minor opcode of failed request: 1
  Serial number of failed request: 30
Using 4/4/4 Color bits, 24 depth, 0 stencil display.
GL_RENDERER: Software Rasterizer
Initializing OpenGL extensions
...GL_S3_s3tc not found
...ignoring GL_EXT_texture_env_add
...using GL_ARB_multitexture
...using GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
...GL_NV_fog_distance not found
... GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic not found
Initializing GLX extensions
... GLX_SGI_swap_control not found
... GLX_SGI_video_sync not found
XF86 Gamma extension initialized

GL_VENDOR: Mesa Project

--> GL_RENDERER: Software Rasterizer <-- This is probably the problem !

GL_VERSION: 2.1 Mesa 7.3-devel
GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_draw_buffers
GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow
GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_imaging
GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_occlusion_query
GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite
GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_shadow
GL_ARB_shadow_ambient GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp
GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map
GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix
GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_vertex_shader
GL_ARB_window_pos GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color
GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EXT_blend_func_separate
GL_EXT_blend_logic_op GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
GL_EXT_convolution GL_EXT_copy_texture GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test
GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_framebuffer_object
GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters
GL_EXT_histogram GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil
GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_paletted_texture
GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object GL_EXT_point_parameters
GL_EXT_polygon_offset GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color
GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shadow_funcs
GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_subtexture
GL_EXT_texture GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp
GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias
GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp GL_EXT_texture_object
GL_EXT_texture_rectangle GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_EXT_vertex_array
GL_APPLE_packed_pixels GL_APPLE_vertex_array_object
GL_ATI_blend_equation_separate GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3
GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_ATI_fragment_shader
GL_ATI_separate_stenGLX_EXTENSIONS: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
GLX_ARB_multisample GLX_EXT_import_context GLX_EXT_visual_info
GLX_EXT_visual_rating GLX_OML_swap_method GLX_SGIS_multisample
GLX_SGIX_fbconfig GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 2048
GL_MAX_ACTIVE_TEXTURES_ARB: 8

And the game is really slow, you can't do anything, I don't know then
how to enable hardware acceleration with the linux enemy-territory
port. I have installed graphics/linux-f10-dri by the way dri was
missing to games/linux-enemyterritory, I will probably send a PR for
this.

Kind regards.

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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

[claudiu vasadi]

ok, so I will make a secondary mount script that would check and mount any
"non-OS-related" mp's.

This would include setting all "non-OS" mp's to "noauto" in fstab and
creating a secondary script to read fstab, check if all is in order and
finally mount, or exit in error. This way, the OS sticks to it's ideology
and the "secondary" mp's do not interfere with that ideology in any way.
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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:27:02 +0200, claudiu vasadi  
wrote:
> ok, so I will make a secondary mount script that would check and mount any
> "non-OS-related" mp's.
> 
> This would include setting all "non-OS" mp's to "noauto" in fstab and
> creating a secondary script to read fstab, check if all is in order and
> finally mount, or exit in error. This way, the OS sticks to it's ideology
> and the "secondary" mp's do not interfere with that ideology in any way.

You can use "lazy man's" /etc/rc.local, or write an rc.d style script,
or simply mount it manually when needed.

For example, I have a second disk for "operated backups", with noauto
in /etc/fstab, which I mount manually on the occassions I want to use
it, so it's kept unmounted when not needed (good for security, good
for my mind). :-)


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Re: mountpoint not existent, droping to single user mode

[claudiu vasadi]

I will write a rc.d script. It seems like the correct way to go.

Manual mount is out of the question :)

I will e-mail my end "product"


ps: I know it's a dir and not a folder ;)
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Re: Linux DRI as software renderer

[Boris Samorodov]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:24:58 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote:

> I don't know then
> how to enable hardware acceleration with the linux enemy-territory
> port. I have installed graphics/linux-f10-dri

Please give a try to graphics/linux-dri74 instead of
graphics/linux-f10-dri.

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Re: Xorg Problems

[Tijl Coosemans]

On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
> Eitan Adler wrote:
>>> The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
>>> black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
>>> grid and mouse pointer. Â A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
>>> manager.
>>
>> Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
>> screen is "expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?
> 
> The .xinitrc file:
>  xrdb
>  xsetroot -solid gray &
>  xterm -geometry +0-100 &
>  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 &
> #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
>  exec fvwm
> 
> I have also tried twm.
> This file was generated from an example in the Handbook.

Check if you actually have those programs installed. If not, you need
to install these ports: x11/xrdb, x11/xsetroot, x11/xterm, x11/xconsole,
x11-wm/fvwm.


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Re: Linux DRI as software renderer

[David Demelier]

 On 22/08/2010 11:48, Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:24:58 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote:


I don't know then
how to enable hardware acceleration with the linux enemy-territory
port. I have installed graphics/linux-f10-dri

Please give a try to graphics/linux-dri74 instead of
graphics/linux-f10-dri.

I'm running on amd64 and I enabled WITHOUT_LIB32 in my /etc/src.conf, 
does it matters ?

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Re: meory file system

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

gahn  writes:
> I am running 8.1. under /dev, I don't see /dev/md0,

/dev/md0 won't show up until you actually run mdconfig.

> so i am trying to add following lines in kernel file and got error
> messages:
>
> options MFS #Memory Filesystem

The correct line is "device md", but mdconfig(8) will automatically load
the module, so you don't need it.

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Fwd: Hast + ZFS + Postgresql on FreeBSD 8.1

[Omer Faruk SEN]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Omer Faruk SEN 
Date: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Subject: Hast + ZFS + Postgresql on FreeBSD 8.1
To: FreeBSD 


Hi,

Is there any one here in this list tried this combo on FreeBSD 8.1 ? I
really would like to know your opinions about that. Especially I am
concerned on how to keep consistency of database  and recovery
procedures in the event of failure (I mean pgsql recovery or any)

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Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 3:19 AM, jhell wrote:
> On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote:
>> On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote:
>>> So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the
>>> server machine?
>>
>> I can - I would prefer not to.
>>
> 
> Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object directory
> without installing it.
> 

Hi,

An off-list reply suggested I look at irc/eggdrop, which is doing what I
want.  Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: ZFS & jails

[Glen Barber]

On 8/21/10 11:57 PM, Joe wrote:
> I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except
> booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use
> for a jail directory tree.
> 
> Is this possible?

Yep.

   # zfs create -o quota=1G tank/usr/jail

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New bwn driver

[Steven Friedrich]

I have an HP pavilion zd825us which has a Broadcom ethernet that appears to be 
supported by the new bwn driver. I have, for several years now, been using the 
NDIS driver based on Project Evil. Since bwn came out in 8.1, I tried it and 
it pretty much works but I get a couple errors sporadically.  Here are the 
dmesgs:
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: siba_bwn0:  mem 0xc8206000-0xc8207fff irq 17 at device 3.0 on pci11
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0 on siba_bwn0
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: WLAN (chipid 0x4318 rev 9) PHY (analog 3 
type 2 rev 7) RADIO (manuf 0x17f ver 0x2050 rev 8)
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: DMA (32 bits)
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: [FILTER]
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: firmware version (rev 410 patch 2160 
date 0x751a time 0x7c0a)
Aug 21 11:39:29 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: need multicast update callback
Aug 20 17:01:37 laptop2 kernel: bwn0: RX decryption attempted (old 0 keyidx 
0x2)

Occasionally, a message appears  on the console indicating that mDNSResponder 
had an issue:
Aug 20 19:45:42 laptop2 mDNSResponder: mDNSPlatformSendUDP got error 51 
(Network is unreachable) sending packet to 224.0.0.251 on interface 
127.0.0.1/lo0/2


Aug 21 11:39:56 laptop2 mDNSResponder: mDNSResponder (Engineering Build) (Aug  
4 2010 09:50:01) starting

And when I use the NDIS driver, I see this lock not held...
Aug 21 11:39:56 laptop2 mDNSResponder: mDNS_AddDNSServer: Lock not held! 
mDNS_busy (0) mDNS_reentrancy (0)
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Jerry]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT)
Warren Block  articulated:

> Those would be the nVidia binary drivers.  There's also 
> x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.  I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else
> will have to comment on those.

I came to this party late, so please excuse me if this has been
discussed.

1) Ha the user installed the latest nVidia driver from ports:

Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering

And it accompanying utilities:

Port:   nvidia-settings-195.36.31
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-settings
Info:   Display Control Panel for X NVidia driver

Port:   nvidia-xconfig-195.36.31
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-xconfig
Info:   Tool to manipulate X configuration files for the NVidia driver

And installed a line in the /boot/loader.conf file for this driver:

nvidia_load="YES"   # nVidia video driver

2) After doing the above, if not done previously, reboot the
system.

3) Move to the "/etc/X11" directory and run as root: nvidia-xconfig"
The "man nvidia-xconfig" file will supply all the details. You really
should not run it with any command line arguments the first time.

4) Now start 'xorg" and run as root: "nvidia-settings". That should
complete the process. You may have to reload 'xorg' for all settings to
take affect. Please see "man nvidia-settings" for full details.

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Re: How to restore a text file from UFS??

[Bruce Cran]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:17:00 +0200
Roland Smith  wrote:

> For future reference; you should never edit files in /etc/ directly.
> If you want ot edit files in /etc or /usr/local/etc, first copy them
> to a directory in your $HOME, put them under revision control and
> then edit them and copy the edited files to /etc. That way you always
> have a backup and you can even restore previous versions. I've
> documented the procedure I use on my webpage;
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/configfiles.html

This failure, where files are truncated to 0 bytes after an unclean
shutdown isn't the same way ext4 was truncating files when using editors
which overwrite files in-place (as opposed to writing to a temporary
file then renaming) is it?  Does calling fsync on FreeBSD not ensure
that even with SoftUpdates the data is on the disk before the editor
has exited?

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Re: Xorg Problems

[Fred Boatwright]

Marc Fonvieille wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote:
> > Warren Block wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:
> > >
> > > > Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
> > >
> > > First notes:
> > >
> > > You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.
> > >
> > > Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
> >
> > I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
> > huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
> > stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
> >
> > It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
> > everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
> > adding fonts.
> >
> > While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
> > nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
> > them now or wait.
> >
> 
> For x11/xorg-minimal installation you issued the command:
> 
> "make install" or "make install VIDEO_DRIVER=your_video_driver" ?
> 
> Without the mention of the driver it installs the vesa driver only.
> This is sub-optimal, an options screen with all existing drivers should
> be proposed.
> 
> --
> Marc

I used make install as I had no way of knowing that additional drivers
could be selected.  Perhaps that should be an option to the sysinstall
program when FBSD is initially being installed.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Fred Boatwright]

Tijl Coosemans wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
> > Eitan Adler wrote:
> >>> The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
> >>> black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
> >>> grid and mouse pointer. Â A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
> >>> manager.
> >>
> >> Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
> >> screen is "expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?
> >
> > The .xinitrc file:
> >  xrdb
> >  xsetroot -solid gray &
> >  xterm -geometry +0-100 &
> >  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 &
> > #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
> >  exec fvwm
> >
> > I have also tried twm.
> > This file was generated from an example in the Handbook.
> 
> Check if you actually have those programs installed. If not, you need
> to install these ports: x11/xrdb, x11/xsetroot, x11/xterm, x11/xconsole,
> x11-wm/fvwm.
> 

Those programs are actually installed.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Fred Boatwright]

Jerry wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT)
> Warren Block  articulated:
> 
> > Those would be the nVidia binary drivers.  There's also
> > x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.  I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else
> > will have to comment on those.
> 
> I came to this party late, so please excuse me if this has been
> discussed.
> 
> 1) Ha the user installed the latest nVidia driver from ports:
> 
> Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
> Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
> Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering
> 
> And it accompanying utilities:
> 
> Port:   nvidia-settings-195.36.31
> Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-settings
> Info:   Display Control Panel for X NVidia driver
> 
> Port:   nvidia-xconfig-195.36.31
> Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-xconfig
> Info:   Tool to manipulate X configuration files for the NVidia driver
> 
> And installed a line in the /boot/loader.conf file for this driver:
> 
> nvidia_load="YES"   # nVidia video driver
> 
> 2) After doing the above, if not done previously, reboot the
> system.
> 
> 3) Move to the "/etc/X11" directory and run as root: nvidia-xconfig"
> The "man nvidia-xconfig" file will supply all the details. You really
> should not run it with any command line arguments the first time.
> 
> 4) Now start 'xorg" and run as root: "nvidia-settings". That should
> complete the process. You may have to reload 'xorg' for all settings to
> take affect. Please see "man nvidia-settings" for full details.
> 
> --
> Jerry â??
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> 
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> Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
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> 
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Hi Jerry,
I do not have the driver you suggest on the CD.  I have:
nividia-driver
nividia-driver-173
nividia-driver-71
nividia-driver-96
Which should be used?  I was not able to find the version you mentioned
with the freebsd website ports search function.

Since Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro works then I think the default
vesa driver should work until the other problems are sorted out.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: How to restore a text file from UFS??

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 03:14:58PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:17:00 +0200
> Roland Smith  wrote:
> 
> > For future reference; you should never edit files in /etc/ directly.
> > If you want ot edit files in /etc or /usr/local/etc, first copy them
> > to a directory in your $HOME, put them under revision control and
> > then edit them and copy the edited files to /etc. That way you always
> > have a backup and you can even restore previous versions. I've
> > documented the procedure I use on my webpage;
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/configfiles.html
> 
> This failure, where files are truncated to 0 bytes after an unclean
> shutdown isn't the same way ext4 was truncating files when using editors
> which overwrite files in-place (as opposed to writing to a temporary
> file then renaming) is it?  

It could be a use of ftruncate(2) on FreeBSD as well. As to ext4, I don't know.

> Does calling fsync on FreeBSD not ensure that even with SoftUpdates the data
> is on the disk before the editor has exited?

I think so, to the extent that FreeBSD is able. Disks usually cache writes
internally, so if the system crashes before that cache is flushed, you'll lose
data. You can disable the write cache for ad(4) by setting the sysctl
hw.ata.wc to 0 at boot time, but this will impact performance.

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msmtp/comcast

[Rem P Roberti]

 Anyone using msmtp with Comcast?  I have in the past used this in 
conjunction with Mutt, but can't get it to work now.  Here is my .msmtprc:


accountdefault
host smtp.comcast.net
from 
authon
user 
password 
port587

When I try to send from Mutt I get this error message:

msmtp: cannot use a secure authentication method
msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /home/rem/.msmtprc

As I say, I have in the past used this setup with Comcast and it worked 
fine.


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Re: Any awk gurus on the list?

[Wayne Sierke]

On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:12 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to use awk to parse values from a string of 
> unknown length and unknown fields using awk, from within a shell script, and 
> write those values to a file in a certain order.
> 
> Here's a typical string that I want to parse:
> 
> alert ip 
> [50.0.0.0/8,100.0.0.0/6,104.0.0.0/5,112.0.0.0/6,173.0.0.0/8,174.0.0.0/7,176.0.0.0/5,184.0.0.0/6]
>  
> any -> $HOME_NET any (msg:"ET POLICY Reserved IP Space Traffic - Bogon Nets 
> 2"; 
> classtype:bad-unknown; reference:url,www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-list.html; 
> threshold: type limit, track by_src, count 1, seconds 360; sid:2002750; 
> rev:10;)
> 
> What I want to do is extract the value after "sid:", the value after 
> "reference:" and the value after "msg:" and insert them into a file that 
> would 
> look like this:
> 
> 2002750 || "ET POLICY Reserved IP Space Traffic - Bogon Nets 2" || 
> url,www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-list.html

Probably not a complete solution for your problem domain but you might
glean an idea or two from this:

awk 'BEGIN {FS="\\(|; *"} /#/ {next} {for(i=1;i<=NF;i++) print
$i}' mtc.rules.test | awk 'BEGIN {FS=":" ; OFS=" || "} $1 ==
"sid" {sid=$2} $1 == "msg" {msg=$2} $1 == "reference" {ref=$2}
$1 == ")" {print sid,msg,ref}'

> Yes, I know I could do this easily in Perl.  I'm doing this to try and 
> improve 
> my understanding of awk.  I *think* I've figured out that the right approach 
> is 
> to use an associative array, and this command:

No need for an array unless you want to retain the records for later
processing. For simple record-by-record processing scalar vars suffice.

> #  awk '!/#/ { for (i=1; i<=NF; i++) { if ( $i ~ /sid/) {mtcmsg[sid]=$i; 
> print 
> mtcmsg[sid]}}}' < /usr/local/etc/snort/rules/mtc.rules.test

A couple of things to note:

$i ~ /sid/ : will match the string "sid" anywhere within the
field - either use ~ /^sid$/  or  == "sid" for exact matching
mtcmsg[sid] : references the scalar var named "sid" (which is
empty => mtcmsg[""])


Of course, if you choose to you can also just execute some
run-of-the-mill regex matches and string manipulations in awk:

awk '!/#/ {s1=match($0, "sid:[^;]*"); if (s1) sid=substr($0,
RSTART+4, RLENGTH-4); s2=match($0, "msg:[^;]*"); if (s2)
msg=substr($0, RSTART+4, RLENGTH-4); s3=match($0,
"reference:[^;]*"); if (s3) ref=substr($0, RSTART+10,
RLENGTH-10); if (s1*s2*s3) print sid" || "msg" || "ref}'
mtc.rules.test

but that lacks any real awk-ness.


Wayne


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zpool bootfs property

[Joshua Isom]

I was just able to change my zfs boot pool to raid0 by resetting the 
bootfs property, adding the slice, and setting it back.  I was able to 
find a webpage talking about importing FreeBSD zfs pools into 
opensolaris and having problems with disk management because of the 
bootfs property.  With the property set, `zpool add ...` prints out 
"root pool can not have multiple vdevs or separate logs" which confused 
me because of FreeBSD supporting booting from raidz drives.  So now I 
wonder, is the bootfs property needed in FreeBSD?  If it needs set for 
at least booting, then will having it set cause headaches when working 
with a raidz pool and a failed drive?  And should the wiki be updated?

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Re: Xorg Problems

[Jerry]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:42:35 -0700
Fred Boatwright  articulated:

> Hi Jerry,
> I do not have the driver you suggest on the CD.  I have:
> nividia-driver
> nividia-driver-173
> nividia-driver-71
> nividia-driver-96
> Which should be used?  I was not able to find the version you
> mentioned with the freebsd website ports search function

First, update your ports tree. This is what you are looking for:

Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering

Al;l of the relevant paths, etc. were in the first post I sent
regarding this matter. The "173" and other drivers are deprecated and
should probably be avoided. If you have one of them installed, do a
"make_deinstall -dfv nvidia*"   first before attempting to install the
new drive and utilities.

If you are still experiencing problems, post back.

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HPC under FreeBSD

[Eduardo]

Hello:

Is the freebsd-hpc list the correct one to discuss about hpc? It
appears to be disabled. Or are freebsd-cluster, freebsd-performance? 

Who do i talk to create a directory in ports with all HPC software for
FreeBSD? Can it be done using a directory with links to the real
category?

Who can point me on the HPC status? 

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Tijl Coosemans]

On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
> The .xinitrc file:
>  xrdb
>  xsetroot -solid gray &
>  xterm -geometry +0-100 &
>  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 &
> #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
>  exec fvwm

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Re: HPC under FreeBSD

[Bruce Cran]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:07:25 +0200
Eduardo  wrote:

> Who can point me on the HPC status? 

Brooks Davis (brooks at freebsd.org) gave a talk at EuroBSDCon
(http://www.ukuug.org/events/eurobsdcon2009/talks/) and AsiaBSDCon
recently about porting HPC tools to FreeBSD, so you might want to talk
to him to learn more.

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Re: ZFS & jails

[krad]

On 22 August 2010 13:49, Glen Barber  wrote:

> On 8/21/10 11:57 PM, Joe wrote:
> > I am thinking about running zfs on the host for everything except
> > booting the system. I plan to create a 1gb zfs area which I want to use
> > for a jail directory tree.
> >
> > Is this possible?
>
> Yep.
>
>   # zfs create -o quota=1G tank/usr/jail
>
> Regards,
>
> --
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Re: Xorg Problems

[Frank Shute]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
>
> On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
> > The .xinitrc file:
> >  xrdb
> >  xsetroot -solid gray &
> >  xterm -geometry +0-100 &
> >  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 &
> > #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
> >  exec fvwm
> 
> Is this file executable?

It doesn't have to be executable but xrdb needs arguments or it just
waits for input.

My suggestion to Fred: drop the xrdb line in his ~/.xinitrc


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Re: Xorg Problems

[Fred Boatwright]

Frank Shute wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
> > > The .xinitrc file:
> > >  xrdb
> > >  xsetroot -solid gray &
> > >  xterm -geometry +0-100 &
> > >  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 &
> > > #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
> > >  exec fvwm
> >
> > Is this file executable?
> 
> It doesn't have to be executable but xrdb needs arguments or it just
> waits for input.
> 
> My suggestion to Fred: drop the xrdb line in his ~/.xinitrc
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> 
>  Frank
> 
>  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html

Well, some progress has been made!  The .xinitrc file is not executable.
I found the file on my Sun running Solaris 2.6.  That file also does not
have execute permissions but it has #!/bin/sh at the beginning. 
However, that doesn't appear to be needed under FBSD.  I tried an empty
.Xresources file but that didn't make any difference.  Commenting out
the xrdb does allow the window manager to start.

The .xinitrc file was generated from an example in the man page for
xinit, not the Handbook as I earlier stated.

So, I can move forward again.  Thank you very much for the help.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 01:29:42PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
>   no X11, but i do need it.
> 
>   is there a way of getting, say, [c]twm configured remotely? 

I don't think you have to. You just have to tell the X programs you want to
run on the server to connect to the X server on the machine you're working
on. Read the following HOWTO:
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html

Suppose you are working on a machine called "desktop.thought.org", and the
server is "server.thought.org". You have to set up the X server on
desktop.thought.org to accept remote connections using xhost(1) or
xauth(1). You have to configure your firewall on desktop of allow connections
on tcp/udp ports 6000-6063 from server.thought.org through.

Then you should be able to login to the server via ssh, and start e.g. an X
terminal on the display of the desktop by giving the following command in the
ssh session:

xterm -display desktop.thought.org:0 &

You could also set the DISPLAY variable on server.thought.org to point to
desktop.thought.org:0. That way you don't have to start every X program with
the -display argument.

>   i managed
>   to have portupgrade finish succesfuully last night without breaking
>   anything.  there were 33 things that failed, 0 skipped, and 
>   More than 450 ports successfully upgraded.  i checked with pkgdb
>   -Favf; it worked.  what failed was related to the x11 drivers.

AFAIK, you don't need the drivers to do X forwarding. But you _do_ need the
X11 libraries and header files to compile X programs.

Roland
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Re: anybody onlist know about KVM stuff?

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:34:46AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 04:13:17PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 06:37:36AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/20/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > >On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 06:45:11PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > > >>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>of my three tower cases still linked by wires so i can "click-over"
> > > >>>to each and use my one screen and keyboard, my server
> > > >>>[ethic|ns1.thought.org] has a bad wire to my keyboard.  so i really
> > > >>>cannot do much on ethic.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>i've crawled down under 8 or 9 times and messed with various wires.
> > > >>>that was extremely hard as fruitless.  (things were|everything WAS)
> > > >>>working fine until i added my battery backup.  the guy who helped me
> > > >>>with that 700-pound beast must have gotten something mixed up.  because
> > > >>>of his age (70's) and fraility i don't want to ask him to crawl around
> > > >>>under there (&c).  the two boxes that are working are impossible for me
> > > >>>to pull out and look at.  hopefully there are a couple freebsd types
> > > >>>who rely on kvm wires to do serious work and can give me some clues.
> > > >>>
> > > >>/usr/ports/sysutils/synergy
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > this looks very interesting, thank you.  the catch is that it
> > > > depends on X.  i don't have X installed on the server. .
> > > >
> > > 
> > > ssh?
> > > 
> > 
> > sure.  for simple things.  but i need to get X going to get my UPS 
> > set up.   also, to properly upgrade things.  i was upgrading via
> > ssh and something broke.  it took an hour of messing around to get
> > ethic back up, fsck'd , and mail working.
> 
> You just said two things that seem to contradict each other. You said you need
> to get X going to get the UPS set up, but earlier you said you don't have X
> installed on the server?
> 
> Why would you need X to "properly upgrade things?" The upgrading of both the
> OS and ports works primarily with command-line tools. Do you realize that you 
> can
> make more than one ssh connection to a server in case you want e.g. one shell
> to make run programs in and another to keep an eye on things.
> 
> If you don't have X set up on the server, you should use ssh (or telnet if you
> have a trusted network). If you do have X set up on the server, you can use
> the net/vnc port to view the server's X11 screen on another machine. And ssh
> can also do X forwarding.


no X11, but i do need it.

is there a way of getting, say, [c]twm configured remotely?  i managed
to have portupgrade finish succesfuully last night without breaking
anything.  there were 33 things that failed, 0 skipped, and 
More than 450 ports successfully upgraded.  i checked with pkgdb
-Favf; it worked.  what failed was related to the x11 drivers.

the machine is a 2009 dell 550 inspiron.  i do not want to do too
much with X so as to avoid some kind of crash that will break
everything.  still, it would be nice to have X for /root and for
the UPS.   

the server and telco "modem" is my connection to the outside world
so i don't want to take too many risks.   but now that everything
is up to date [port-wise], now what?

gary

> 
> Roland
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Thinkpad Wireless

[Rem P Roberti]

 I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1 
Release.  I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different 
combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless 
working, but so far with no luck.  Can anyone give me a heads up on 
getting wireless operating on this laptop?


Thanks.
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Is this bunk.

[Garry]

This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this
as twaddle.



Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
instance.

So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it,
or filing bugs or whatever.
(I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as
well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...)

Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied
in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support
software developed under such licenses.


Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple
done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE.
So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD
license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most
significantly Apple.

This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

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Re: Is this bunk.

[Ryan Coleman]

OS X is based on Darwin which was, as I understand it, inspired by BSD but not 
specifically FreeBSD; most like was Net or OpenBSD.

But, you can say the same about Windows, Mac OS and X11 because they were all 
inspired by Xerox PARC...

Or a brand of tires because they look a lot like another brand, on the inside 
of the tire.

On Aug 22, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Garry wrote:

> This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this
> as twaddle.
> 
> 
> 
> Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
> they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
> much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.
> 
> Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
> instance.
> 
> So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it,
> or filing bugs or whatever.
> (I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as
> well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...)
> 
> Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied
> in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support
> software developed under such licenses.
> 
> 
> Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple
> done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE.
> So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD
> license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most
> significantly Apple.
> 
> This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
> in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.
> 
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Re: Is this bunk.

[Roger B.A. Klorese]

 It's a lot like complaining that your bull is counterproductive 
because it isn't a cow and therefore won't yield milk.


If one's definition of "productive" is "expands the amount of software 
in the universe that is non-proprietary," then perhaps the BSD license 
is "non-productive" -- but that was never its goal.


The license serves to improve the amount of reusable software in the 
universe -- and in doing so, the quality of that code -- and in the 
process, the idea that entities could leverage it to build proprietary 
extensions is in the mix.


Many companies have built products with proprietary components using 
BSD-licensed baselines. Rather than start from scratch, they ended up 
with products that were less expensive and higher-quality. For many of 
these companies, religious compliance to software liberation is not a 
pill they would consider swallowing.


On 8/22/10 5:25 PM, Garry wrote:

This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this
as twaddle.



Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
instance.

So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it,
or filing bugs or whatever.
(I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as
well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...)

Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied
in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support
software developed under such licenses.


Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple
done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE.
So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD
license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most
significantly Apple.

This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 8:12 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
>  I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1
> Release.  I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different
> combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless
> working, but so far with no luck.  Can anyone give me a heads up on
> getting wireless operating on this laptop?
> 

Hi Rem,

First off, do you know what wireless chipset you have?  You can find out
using:

pciconf -lv

though without knowing what manufacturer, I can't quite say what to look
for.  As far as the settings, have a look at this section of the handbook:


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

particularly where you configure wlan0 as the interface in rc.conf -
pre-8.0-RELEASE, the convention was to use:

ifconfig_ath0="DHCP"

where iwn0 was an Atheros-based chipset.  The new way is to set the
following in rc.conf:

wlans_ath0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="DHCP"


Maybe you can put the output of the pciconf command I referenced earlier
on pastebin - I think that might help us get you in the right direction
faster.

Regards,

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 10:47 PM, Glen Barber wrote:
> particularly where you configure wlan0 as the interface in rc.conf -
> pre-8.0-RELEASE, the convention was to use:
> 
>   ifconfig_ath0="DHCP"
> 
> where iwn0 was an Atheros-based chipset.  The new way is to set the
> following in rc.conf:

Of course, iwn0 is a typo... :)

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Rem P Roberti]

On 8/22/10 8:12 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:

  I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad R51 on which I have installed 8.1
Release.  I have scoured the handbook and tried a number of different
combinations in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf to get the wireless
working, but so far with no luck.  Can anyone give me a heads up on
getting wireless operating on this laptop?


Hi Rem,

First off, do you know what wireless chipset you have?  You can find out
using:

pciconf -lv

though without knowing what manufacturer, I can't quite say what to look
for.  As far as the settings, have a look at this section of the handbook:


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

particularly where you configure wlan0 as the interface in rc.conf -
pre-8.0-RELEASE, the convention was to use:

ifconfig_ath0="DHCP"

where iwn0 was an Atheros-based chipset.  The new way is to set the
following in rc.conf:

wlans_ath0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="DHCP"


Maybe you can put the output of the pciconf command I referenced earlier
on pastebin - I think that might help us get you in the right direction
faster.

Regards,



Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section 
on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient 
Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless 
pci card so that the computer works quite well.  OK...the info I gleaned 
from pciconf -lv shows:


device= 'driverIntel PRO/Wirelss 220BG  (MPC13B'

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section
> on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient
> Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless
> pci card so that the computer works quite well.  OK...the info I gleaned
> from pciconf -lv shows:
> 
> device= 'driverIntel PRO/Wirelss 220BG  (MPC13B'
> 

Perfect.  Is "220BG" a typo?  I see that iwi(4) supports 2200BG/2225BG
and so on.  If it _is_ a typo, try this:

echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1' >> /boot/loader.conf
echo 'if_iwi_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_bss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_ibss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_monitor_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf

(Note, the differentiation between the single- and double-quotes.)

After a reboot, you should see iwi0 in ifconfig(8) output.  (I'm not
aware of a way to acknowledge the license agreement without a reboot.)
Then you should be able to configure your wlan0 device similarly to your
Presario.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

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Re: Is this bunk.

[David Kelly]

On Aug 22, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Garry wrote:

> This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this
> as twaddle.
> 
> Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
> they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
> much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

Apple hired a lot of key people from the FreeBSD project. I don't know just 
what comes back to FreeBSD out of Apple but suspect the reason you and myself 
don't know is that Apple doesn't care to toot their own horn. Apple made a 
significant contribution a while back testing and improving NFS.

As for how much of MacOS X is BSD, pretty much all of the command line stuff. 
Apple has gone to great lengths to XML-ize most everything so while MacOS is 
BSD, its probably the most distant BSD cousin.

> Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
> instance.

NT 3.51 used to flash a Berkeley Software Distribution copyright message on the 
text console during boot because some code was used. Doubt MS could leave well 
enough alone to simply lift the entire stack. The VMS-inspired NT kernel was 
probably not organized in such a way as to optimally use an unmodified BSD 
network protocol stack.

> So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it,
> or filing bugs or whatever.
> (I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as
> well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...)
> 
> Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied
> in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support
> software developed under such licenses.

So why are you here? Trolling?

It bugs the heck out of some people when others manage to build on their work 
to make something better, and then not give it away to everyone else. Others 
realize that if what we do is truly useful then others will want to use it to 
build bigger and better things. That it doesn't matter if we sell our work or 
give it away, what others do with it is no skin off our noses. Our original 
work is still exactly as accessible as it was before others made something more 
of their own version of it.

> Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple
> done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE.
> So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD
> license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most
> significantly Apple.

Thats one of the big problems of the GPL-mindset. Seems they spend a whole lot 
more time cloning the work of others than in actually creating anything new.

> This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
> in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

There is nothing in the BSD license permitting a "hostile takeover." Some would 
claim FreeBSD has executed a "hostile takeover" of what it is to be BSD. The 
pre-FreeBSD code is out there, you are welcome to it. Some would say OpenBSD 
attempted a hostile takeover of BSD.

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Rob Byrnes]

On 23 August 2010 13:14, Glen Barber  wrote:
> On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section
>> on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient
>> Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless
>> pci card so that the computer works quite well.  OK...the info I gleaned
>> from pciconf -lv shows:
>>
>> device    = 'driverIntel PRO/Wirelss 220BG  (MPC13B'
>>
>
> Perfect.  Is "220BG" a typo?  I see that iwi(4) supports 2200BG/2225BG
> and so on.  If it _is_ a typo, try this:
>
>        echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1' >> /boot/loader.conf
>        echo 'if_iwi_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>        echo 'iwi_bss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>        echo 'iwi_ibss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>        echo 'iwi_monitor_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>
> (Note, the differentiation between the single- and double-quotes.)
>
> After a reboot, you should see iwi0 in ifconfig(8) output.  (I'm not
> aware of a way to acknowledge the license agreement without a reboot.)
> Then you should be able to configure your wlan0 device similarly to your
> Presario.

For a fresh install of 8.1 you only need:

if_iwi_load="YES"
legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1

cheers,
Rob
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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 11:21 PM, Rob Byrnes wrote:

[snip]

>>
>>echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1' >> /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'if_iwi_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_bss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_ibss_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_monitor_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf
>>

[snip]

> 
> For a fresh install of 8.1 you only need:
> 
> if_iwi_load="YES"
> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
> 

Thanks - I wasn't aware of this.

Regards,

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Re: Is this bunk.

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote:
> This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this
> as twaddle.
> 
> 
> 
> Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
> they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
> much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

My understanding is that it's a Mach kernel with some FreeBSD userland
that has since been worked over with a rake, producing the Darwin OS.
Following that, Apple dropped a load of proprietary stuff on top of
Darwin to produce MacOS X.


> 
> Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
> instance.

This is true.


> 
> So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it,
> or filing bugs or whatever.
> (I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as
> well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...)

Good for you.


> 
> Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied
> in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support
> software developed under such licenses.

Why not?  Tell me what benefit is gained by not using FreeBSD, or what
benefit is lost by discouraging others from using your technology.


> 
> Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple
> done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE.
> So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD
> license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most
> significantly Apple.

WebKit is actually not GPLed.  It's a combination (at least primarily) of
the LGPL and the BSD License.  I guess you should stop using any WebKit
based browser if you don't like the BSD License.


> 
> This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
> in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

In what way is it counterproductive?  What goal do you want to serve that
the BSD License hinders?

Perhaps you should consider some alternative views of the matter.  For
instance, there's . . .


 *  Copyfree (an alternative to Copyright and Copyleft):
http://copyfree.org

 *  Software Liberation Front (counter-copyleft advocacy):
http://softwareliberationfront.org

 *  Choose the Right Licensing Model for Security Software:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=610

 *  Copyfree vs. Copyleft:
http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Copyfree_vs_Copyleft

 *  BSD/Copyfree vs. Corporate Copyleft:
http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=622

I have found that it's really the GPL, and copyleft licensing in general,
that is counterproductive.  It has been used to launch attacks on small
open source projects, employ anticompetitive and monopolistic business
tactics, and keep open source code from being used in other open source
projects.  In fact, copyleft licenses tend to be mutually incompatible.
They prohibit proprietary software projects from using their code, and
they also prohibit copyfree software projects (such as the FreeBSD
project) from using their code (at least directly) -- but they also
prohibit copyleft projects that use a different copyleft license from
using their code.

I find the hypocrisy rather odious.  I suppose your tastes may differ.

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Rem P Roberti]

On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:

Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section
on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient
Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless
pci card so that the computer works quite well.  OK...the info I gleaned
from pciconf -lv shows:

device= 'driverIntel PRO/Wirelss 220BG  (MPC13B'


Perfect.  Is "220BG" a typo?  I see that iwi(4) supports 2200BG/2225BG
and so on.  If it _is_ a typo, try this:

echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1'>>  /boot/loader.conf
echo 'if_iwi_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_bss_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_ibss_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
echo 'iwi_monitor_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf

(Note, the differentiation between the single- and double-quotes.)

After a reboot, you should see iwi0 in ifconfig(8) output.  (I'm not
aware of a way to acknowledge the license agreement without a reboot.)
Then you should be able to configure your wlan0 device similarly to your
Presario.

Hope this helps.

Regards,



Yep, it was a typo.  OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig 
output.  I shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in 
/etc/rc.conf and see what happens.


---Rem



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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> 
> Yep, it was a typo.  OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig
> output.  I shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in
> /etc/rc.conf and see what happens.
> 

Good to hear.  Good luck!

Regards,

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Outback Dingo]

good, keep going... youll get there

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:

>
>  On 8/22/10 11:00 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your help so far.  Yes, I have looked at the handbook section
>>> on wireless, and as a matter of fact I installed 8.1 on an ancient
>>> Compaq Presario (6GB HD!) and was able to configure the Atheros wireless
>>> pci card so that the computer works quite well.  OK...the info I gleaned
>>> from pciconf -lv shows:
>>>
>>> device= 'driverIntel PRO/Wirelss 220BG  (MPC13B'
>>>
>>>  Perfect.  Is "220BG" a typo?  I see that iwi(4) supports 2200BG/2225BG
>> and so on.  If it _is_ a typo, try this:
>>
>>echo 'legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1'>>  /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'if_iwi_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_bss_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_ibss_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
>>echo 'iwi_monitor_load="YES"'>>  /boot/loader.conf
>>
>> (Note, the differentiation between the single- and double-quotes.)
>>
>> After a reboot, you should see iwi0 in ifconfig(8) output.  (I'm not
>> aware of a way to acknowledge the license agreement without a reboot.)
>> Then you should be able to configure your wlan0 device similarly to your
>> Presario.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
> Yep, it was a typo.  OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig output.  I
> shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in /etc/rc.conf and see what
> happens.
>
> ---Rem
>
>
>
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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Rem P Roberti]

On 8/22/10 11:28 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:

Yep, it was a typo.  OK...iwi0 is now showing up in the ifconfig
output.  I shall make the (hopefully) appropriate entries in
/etc/rc.conf and see what happens.


Good to hear.  Good luck!

Regards,

OK...here's what is happening now.  I have put these entries into 
/etc/rc.conf:


wlans_iwi0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP"

when I booted up I could see from the wireless "beacon" indicator that 
something was happening.  But I kept getting this message:


iwi0: need multicast update callback

And when I tried to do a ping I got the dreaded...ping: cannot resolve 
yahoo.com: Host name lookup failure...and then all of sudden it started 
working and I was able to successfully ping, and connect.  Is this 
voodoo :-) ?


---Rem
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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/22/10 11:51 PM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> OK...here's what is happening now.  I have put these entries into
> /etc/rc.conf:
> 
> wlans_iwi0="wlan0"
> ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP"
> 
> when I booted up I could see from the wireless "beacon" indicator that
> something was happening.  But I kept getting this message:
> 
> iwi0: need multicast update callback
> 

I used to see this on my Toshiba laptop I no longer use (using iwn(4)).
 It is seemingly harmless.

> And when I tried to do a ping I got the dreaded...ping: cannot resolve
> yahoo.com: Host name lookup failure...and then all of sudden it started
> working and I was able to successfully ping, and connect.

In what timeframe from the boot?  I suspect WPA was still in the
authentication process.  My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few
seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating.

> Is this voodoo :-) ?
> 

Probably. :)

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Rem P Roberti]

In what timeframe from the boot?  I suspect WPA was still in the
authentication process.  My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few
seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating.



You are no doubt right...WPA was probably still in the authentication 
process.  Clearly, everything is working now, and I am doing a 
portupgrade as I write.  Now, if I can only get msmtp to work with 
Comcast I'd be done.  For a while.  One thing at a time.


Thank you for your help.

Cheers...
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Re: Is this bunk.

[Garance A Drosehn]

At 1:25 AM +0100 8/23/10, Garry wrote:


Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor
lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure
that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out
of BSD.


Mac OS is the Mach kernel, plus a userland and unix libraries which
are very much BSD-ish.  They pulled in from all three major BSD
projects (NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD).  On top of that they have
their GUI layer, which is Quartz instead of X11, and the
development environment which is based on InterfaceBuilder (from
NeXTSTEP days) and Objective-C.  The Objective-C api's are called
"Cocoa".

Which is to say, if you're counting lines-of-code than most of
MacOS is *not* from any BSD.  The parts which did come from the
BSD's are available as source from Apple (in the project called
Darwin).  If we don't "get much out of Apple", it's because we
aren't looking through their source code, and that would not be
the fault of Apple.

They make sure we can't get much out of their work at the Mach
kernel, Quartz, and Cocoa layers, but then they can't get
anything out of us for those layers either.  So, I don't see
what the complaint is.

They've also contributed to a number of other open-source
projects, projects which have been BSD or GNU licensed.


Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking
for instance.


This is true.  (or at least it definitely used to be true, I
have no idea if Vista and Windows7 are still using the BSD
networking stack).

So you're saying that you would prefer that Microsoft wrote
their own networking stack, which everyone else in the world
would be *required* to deal with, instead of using a network
stack which was already known and tested?


Having seen how BSD license software has been used, to create
highly tied in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do
not feel that I can support software developed under such
licenses.


That is your choice, of course.  And, well, I don't care.  All
I care is how I feel based on my work in the BSD's.  I'm happy
with how my work has been used.  I'm happy to keep contributing,
either with code or with donations to help others to produce
quality BSD-licensed open-source code.

BSD-licensing is probably not appropriate for all projects, but
it works well for the kinds of projects that I tend to work on.

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Senior Systems Programmer   or   g...@freebsd.org
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY;  USA
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Re: Is this bunk.

[Bob Hall]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote:
> Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
> they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
> much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.

If the kernel is the basis of an OS, then OS X is basically the Mach
kernel. The userland part of early versions of OS X borrowed heavily
from NetBSD, but much of this has been replaced with FreeBSD in later
version. Or so I'm told. As someone else has pointed out, Apple has made
some important contributions to NFS, so they are not exactly free
riders.
 
> Also, Windows uses  (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for
> instance.

NT had a notoriously unstable network stack. It suddenly became more
stable with Win2k, which turned out to be due to the replacement of much
of the code with code taken from FreeBSD, which has a famously stable
network stack. People who claim to have seen the MS code say that large
parts of it are unchanged from the original FBSD code, and include the
original comments. As far as I know, that code is still being used.

> This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code
> in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive.

And the wonderful thing about the proliferation of open source licenses
is that you can pick a project with a license that you approve of and
never have to have your code encumbered by a license you feel is
inferior. The people who use FBSD and the wonderful people who produce
it obviously feel that the FBSD license is the sort of license that they
want to support. You are free to pity our delusions and choose a project
with a more enlightened approach.

Best of luck!
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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Glen Barber]

On 8/23/10 12:11 AM, Rem P Roberti wrote:
> 
>> In what timeframe from the boot?  I suspect WPA was still in the
>> authentication process.  My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few
>> seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating.
>>
> 
> You are no doubt right...WPA was probably still in the authentication
> process.  Clearly, everything is working now, and I am doing a
> portupgrade as I write.  Now, if I can only get msmtp to work with
> Comcast I'd be done.  For a while.  One thing at a time.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 

Glad I could help.  Enjoy!

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Re: Thinkpad Wireless

[Outback Dingo]

have you considered postfix running in satellite more or smart host ?

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Rem P Roberti wrote:

>
>  In what timeframe from the boot?  I suspect WPA was still in the
>> authentication process.  My Toshiba's wireless card would take a few
>> seconds (roughly 10) before authenticating.
>>
>>
> You are no doubt right...WPA was probably still in the authentication
> process.  Clearly, everything is working now, and I am doing a portupgrade
> as I write.  Now, if I can only get msmtp to work with Comcast I'd be done.
>  For a while.  One thing at a time.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Cheers...
>
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Re: Is this bunk.

[Joshua Isom]

On 8/22/2010 7:25 PM, Garry wrote:

Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in),
they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get
much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD.


Oh the corny quote, "If you love something set it free, if it comes back 
to you, it was meant to be."


GPL is viral, restrictive, forces the code to come back and you can go 
to court if it doesn't.  Code from OpenBSD is used with the Linux 
kernel, but because of the GPL even Linux kernel modules must be GPLed 
so the code cannot go back to OpenBSD.  It's a theft in the spirit of 
open source, since it cannot be given back.  There are rumors that the 
CDDL was written to be BSD style and not GPL compatible.


Apache and Sendmail are both BSD licensed, but I don't see them getting 
"stolen."


As for the GPL itself, I think the biggest problem is who controls it 
and who enforces it.  Companies get sued over busybox frequently, and 
not by the busybox developers.  Stallman's views about how computers 
should work amounts to near anarchy 
.

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NFSv3 and v4 slow with newnfs code

[Nikolai Schupbach]

We are doing some performance testing on a new system. We have a OpenSolaris 
NFS server sharing a folder on a ZFS filesystem and a FreeBSD 8.1 NFS client. 
The machines are directly connected using 10GbE (no switch in-between).

Below are the performance figures we attained when doing simple 10GB dd write 
(dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/file.tmp bs=1M count=10240) and read (dd of=/dev/null 
if=/mnt/file.tmp) tests over NFS from the FreeBSD client using various mount 
options.

We performed these tests numerous times and all results are roughly the same 
for each test. We have tuned kern.ipc.maxsockbuf, net.inet.tcp.recvspace and 
net.inet.tcp.sendspace. This didn't result in any significant differences in 
the test results. Both NFS client and server NICs have MTU set to 9000; this 
improves performance noticeable.

Currently it appears sticking with the stable NFSv3 code yields the best 
results. Both NFSv3 and NFSv4 with the newnfs code has disappointing 
performance. We installed Linux on the client machine as a test and 
unfortunately Linux has the best performance by far. 

Are there any other options we can use to improve the performance of NFSv4 for 
large sequential writes and reads? 

FreeBSD NFSv4 \w newnfs
---
mount -t newnfs -o nfsv4 10.0.0.2:/volumes/datpool/test /mnt

Writing: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 236.627936 secs, 43 MB/s
Reading: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 131.385064 secs, 95 MB/s

mount -t newnfs -o nfsv4,wsize=32768,rsize=32768 10.0.0.2:/volumes/datpool/test 
/mnt

Writing: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 258.567077 secs, 39 MB/s
Reading: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 120.646962 secs, 85 MB/s


FreeBSD NFSv3 \w newnfs
---
mount -t newnfs -o nfsv4 10.0.0.2:/volumes/datpool/test /mnt

Writing 10737418240 bytes transferred in 215.963140 secs, 47 MB/s
Reading 10737418240 bytes transferred in 101.110872 secs, 101 MB/s


FreeBSD NFSv3 
---
mount -t nfs -o nfsv3 10.0.0.2:/volumes/datpool/test /mnt

Writing: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 161.739156 secs 63 MB/s
Reading: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 72.327859 secs, 129 MB/s


Linux NFSv4 (CentOS 5.5)
---
Writing: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 143.776 seconds, 75 MB/s
Reading: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 63.7012 seconds, 170 MB/s

--Nik

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Re: NFSv3 and v4 slow with newnfs code

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Nikolai Schupbach wrote:

> We are doing some performance testing on a new system. We have a
> OpenSolaris NFS server sharing a folder on a ZFS filesystem and a FreeBSD
> 8.1 NFS client. The machines are directly connected using 10GbE (no switch
> in-between).
>
> Below are the performance figures we attained when doing simple 10GB dd
> write (dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/file.tmp bs=1M count=10240) and read (dd
> of=/dev/null if=/mnt/file.tmp) tests over NFS from the FreeBSD client using
> various mount options.
>
> We performed these tests numerous times and all results are roughly the
> same for each test. We have tuned kern.ipc.maxsockbuf,
> net.inet.tcp.recvspace and net.inet.tcp.sendspace. This didn't result in any
> significant differences in the test results. Both NFS client and server NICs
> have MTU set to 9000; this improves performance noticeable.
>
> Currently it appears sticking with the stable NFSv3 code yields the best
> results. Both NFSv3 and NFSv4 with the newnfs code has disappointing
> performance. We installed Linux on the client machine as a test and
> unfortunately Linux has the best performance by far.
>
> Are there any other options we can use to improve the performance of NFSv4
> for large sequential writes and reads?
>

You can use a UDP mount, should help a little.  Have you measured your NIC's
performance to see if that is the bottleneck.  Perhaps the driver is subpar.

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Re: Installation problem

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:05:39 -0400, Derek Schwartz  
wrote:
> Well, I don't have a memory stick, but I do have other hard drives,
> should I try it on the other HD's???

Have you been lucky to successfully boot from CD / DVD (1st question)
and install FreeBSD onto the hard disk (2nd question)? Did the result
then also boot (3rd question)?

In case you suspect the hard drive to be any "faulty" (or at least
acting strange), you could test with a spare disk. Doesn't need to
be a tenmelonhundredterabytes disk just for testing. :-)

I still suspect some remains of some Linux boot loader still present
on the disk...

If you have a floppy disk drive in your PC, you can download tomsRTBT,
a Linux that fits onto one diskette. You can then use its dd command
to wipe the first parts of the disk to make ENTIRELY SURE that there's
no interfereing rest of a Linux boot loader.




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Re: Xorg Problems

[perryh]

Fred Boatwright  wrote:

> Until FBSD X is working on the pc I have to use Netscape 4.79 on
> a Sun running Solaris 2.6 (which I would prefer to keep using if
> only a modern browser was available) ...

If the problems with X on FBSD are limited to the X "server"
(display subsystem), perhaps you can run X "clients" (such as a
recent version of FireFox) on the FBSD box with DISPLAY set to
the Solaris box.

The simplest way of doing this is to ssh into the FBSD box from an
xterm (or rxvt, or whatever) on the Solaris box.  Depending on how
ssh is set up you may (or may not) need to specify -X to get the
X protocol forwarded.  Forwarding will result in DISPLAY being set
to something like localhost:10.0 in the FBSD shell session, and it
should "just work."
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