Re: good replacement for open office

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

do you really want the world to know what you are writing?

icantthinkofone wrote:

Frank Jahnke wrote:


  

Why not use Google Docs?


And ask NSA in case you need a backup?

Erich
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

there are basically two types of UPS' around: online and stand-by or fly-by.

The online version is much more expensive but also much better in 
critical conditions.


Gary Kline wrote:

Hi Folks,

	Recently, a storm happened and the power surge blew me 
	off-line.  Time to get serious about buying a UPS that will

handle my four main servers for at-most, a 10-second power


You have the choice between four individual boxes or one big box.

Cases like this let the online version shine. Stand-by versions fail 
pretty often especially if you have a neighbour around running big 
engines powered directly from the power lines.


Even big air-cons can cause the problems.

	Linux} computer?  Is there a UPS that is designed for heavy use 
	and a very short (5- to 10-second) uptime?  I'll need one that can


I do not think that it is a good advice to go for 10 second uptime. Take 
a rating fitting your machines (400W power rating for the machine, 600VA 
for the UPS) with at least 10 minutes uptime.


APC supplies you with both types of UPS.

All APC I have seen failing were of the fly-by type, all other were the 
online version. I think, it will be the same for any other brand.


But do not drop dead when you see the price difference. This will be 
money well spend.


Erich
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Gary Kline wrote:

On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:12:00AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
*right* about the price.  Can I assume that a ballpark would be
400W for each server?  (My wife is right: I've got to cut back to
three computers:-)  I've found one APC 2200VA with a 17minute
uptime.  3 times 400W, yes?

there are other factors which affect this. It is the current peak when a 
PC starts and the phase shift it causes. The phase shift should not be a 
problem but the peak.


I would not bother as long as you do not switch the computers on in 
parallel.



The first thing is to be sure of getting  large enough UPS to
bridge the few-seconds power outtages or fraction/section surges.


If they define 17 minutes, this device will be good for you.

Just get the online version to avoid surprises later.

Erich
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Re: Hardware compatible : Marble_Mouse/TrackMan Wheel from Logitech

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I used the Trackman with earlier versions and I did not have any problems.

I do not use it with the current version.

Erich

Roland Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:51:16AM +0800, williamkow wrote:

   Tahnk you for your reply, may I ask if I to purchase TrackMan Wheel
   Mouse (Logitech), does it also work and compatible in FreeBSD? Please
   advise, Thank you.
   [1]http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/
   166&cl=my,en


I think it will. I haven't tried it since I'm left-handed. :-)

Roland

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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Rob wrote:


think.  Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC.


what is this? HVAC?

Erich
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Re: what kind of UPS will work best?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Ray wrote:

On Monday 08 October 2007 8:36:39 pm Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

Rob wrote:

think.  Most the draw in a residence is the HVAC.

what is this? HVAC?


Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning


move the machine around to be used for heating during winter.

Compared to that PCs are a minor consumer.

Erich
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Re: How to create a user account with the same permission as "root" ?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

FreeBSD is not Windows.

You cannot have another "root" in the system.

What you can do is the creation of the group "wheel" and put "william" 
into this group.


Allow then all members of "wheel" to access the files needed by the 
group "wheel".


I would not do this as it creates many security wholes.

If you just want to do something as root without being root, use su.

Erich

williamkow wrote:
Finally, I manage to setup X.org and then KDE 3.5.4 running on FreeBSD 
6.2-Release.
I created a user account named "william" and do not assign any group as 
I do not know what are the list of group name for me to select. To start 
KDE, i use command "kdm" but I can only logon using the newly created 
user name "william", but it do not have same permission/access rights as 
"root" account.
Please show on how to enable this user account, with the same permission 
as root ?

Thank you.
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Re: How to create a user account with the same permission as "root" ?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Jerry McAllister wrote:

On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:34:54PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:


FreeBSD is not Windows.


True statement - thank heaven.


You cannot have another "root" in the system.


Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, this is NOT a true statement.
You can create as many ids with a '0' UID as you want.   It may not be


But they are the same as it is still the same UID. Under WIndows, you 
can create as many 'root' accounts you want.


root is special.


Allow then all members of "wheel" to access the files needed by the 
group "wheel".


Not the best idea.


Really not. But at least better than to work as root.


I would not do this as it creates many security wholes.


Erich
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Re: mailing list

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Bill Moran wrote:

"John Tele2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

K you please stop sending me this spam from your account:
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this guy first writes to all the lists and the complains that he gets 
answers.


I believe that it is some remote controlled Windows machine whith 
someone in control testing new Windows-clustering software.


Erich

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Re: How to set up a network-attached printer

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

did you consider using CUPS?

It also should work with LPR but I never tried it.

Erich

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Where would I find a specific method for setting up a Samsung
ML-2571N network-attached PostScript printer in FreeBSD 6.1?
I'm hoping for something less generic than what I've found in
the handbook.

It "just works" from MacOS X, as did the old LaserWriter IIf
that the Samsung replaced, so I suppose one approach would be
to use the Mac as a print server; but I would prefer to print
from FreeBSD directly so that the Mac does not need to be up
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Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Albert Shih wrote:

Hi all


Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the
date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. 

But this time it's almost 5 mounth (annonced june 2007). 


while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share 
holders happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are 
convinced that their work is good enough for the public.


Erich
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Re: Power Point Files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

KOffice also includes a presenter.

Erich

Robert Huff wrote:

Rem P Roberti writes:


 Are there any programs in the ports collection which allow you to view
 MS Power Point files?  I occasionally receive these files and it would
 be nice to set up the .mailcap to be able to view them, if that is
 possible.


devel/present ?
graphics/tonicpoint ?
and, of couse, OpenOffice


Robert Huff
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Gerard wrote:

On October 17, 2007 at 07:44PM David Benfell wrote:


[ ... ]


But I believe Firefox is also one of the few pieces of software
that can be installed on a Windows system without administrator
privileges; you just install it in the user account space, and
the Windows system will remember it with the rest of the "user
account settings" and not trouble other users of that system
with it.


Please define 'administrator privileges' and how it is used at your place of
employment. I know of several instances where simply using a piece of software
that was not pre-authorised by the proper personnel, usually the SA, will get
you fired. Most system administrators do not want their systems polluted with
software that they did not install or authorized for use. The reasons are
quite obvious



do I understand you right?

You say that it is normal that users get fired because system 
administrators are not able to administer their systems properly?


Man, fire the management.

Erich
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Re: Newby Question: What to do when one port can't recognize another port?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

there should be a file under

/usr/ports/

called UPGRADING

It contains some hints of changes.

Jeff D wrote:


IGNORED
Unknown Berkeley DB version


Can you configure Apache to use other database systems?

Erich
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Re: Recommended servers for FreeBSD

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

ok, I did not buy any kind of servers in recent times.

Before I either took Tyan motherboards for real low-cost servers and 
either got them built into a machine by the supplier or even did it myself.


Both routes offered the best price/performance ratio.

In all other cases I took Fire servers from Sun.

I believe the biggest difference between IBM and Sun will actually be 
the people who will finally arrive at your site in case of problems.


The same should be true for HP.

Erich

Andrew Wasilczuk wrote:

Hi,

I'm interested to see what servers people use for FreeBSD.  I used to
buy the IBM xSeries x306 for firewalls and web servers and the x206 for
low budget file servers, but both aren't being sold anymore.  I recently
got a few IBM x3200 and x3550.  They are really nicely built and I
hardly have any problems.  However, the on-board RAID controllers
(Adaptec AIC-9580W) aren't supported under FreeBSD so I fit them with
3ware 9000 series RAID cards.  Although I really like those 3ware cards,
it seems like an extra expense that could be avoided.

What servers do you guys buy and why?  I would really like to have the
on-board RAID supported. Do HP servers play well with FreeBSD?  If yes,
which models would you recommend?


Many thanks,


Andrew.


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Re: Fetching sources for 6.2-Release including changes ....

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Tino Engel wrote:
Today I read that a file called helloween.exe is using dancing sceletons to 
act as a virus using ones pc as a part of a botnet.

Why do only windows user have the oppotunity to use such features.
We should provide sth. for freebsd, too.

didn't your mother tell you not to play with the kids on the other side 
of the street?


AFTER ALL IT IS A LIE THAT DRINKING TO MUCH ALCOHOL MAKES PEOPLE SPAM MAILING 
LISTS!oneeleven11


This is for the German speaking memebers:

Alkohohl ist bekanntlich ein Loesungsmittel. Als solches loest er alle 
Probleme.


Erich
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Re: extracting 7_bit_ascii from ms_word files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

if I get you right, you just need something like Abiword or KOffice to 
read or write Wrod files.


You also could use OpenOffice.

I think that AbiWord is the smallest program with the most limitations 
and OpenOffice is the largest program with the least limitations.


Install AbiWord and have a test run. I works fine for me most of the time.

Erich

spellberg_robert wrote:

greetings ---

i finally ran into a situation where
  my existing approaces are no longer satisfactory.

i never bought "office".
i have a twelve_year_old version of "wordperfect"
  from [ at that time ] novell that still works just fine
  [ i first used wordperfect in the early 1980's; why change ?
  ].
it doesn't recognize new ms formats.

sometimes, i can use "wordpad" on
  my "win_98_se" box that still works;
  but not always.

my lawyer insists on hard_copy and snail_mail,
  so my principal application is, actually, obviated.

if files only had a few dozen lines,
  i could edit them by hand in "vi".

i simply did not have enough situations
  to demand a more sophisticated approach;
  now, i do.



i started here [ over 1000 entries ]

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/textproc.html

  where i found nothing relevant under "doc" and
  where i found "word2x", which looks --really-- old and
  where i found "wv", which seemed more promising.

searching the questions and newbies mail archives,
  i found antiword and catdoc, but this is from 2002_feb.

while reading up on "wv", i found this

http://www.abisource.com/

  which caused me to search.

i found this

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=abiword&stype=all

both of these seem to jog my memory, but my memory 



my application is to exchange text files, by e_mail,
  with someone who thinks ms products are the be_all and end_all
  [ after all,
  if "everyone" is spending thousands of dollars on software,
  just like he is,
  what makes me so special ?
  ].
i anticipate acquiring other people like this in the near future,
  so my time on this just may be well_spent.
in general,
  these are not the kind of folks who find
  manipulating files intuitively obvious.
yet, i may find that i have to give them special instruction.

i am not looking for something wonderful,
  just reasonably competent and reasonably current.
if, in addition to my desired direction,
  i can convert a 7_bit_ascii to a ".doc" file for his benefit,
  that's some further whining that i can avoid.



i strongly suspect that,
  as soon as this becomes a solved problem,
  ms changes something critical,
  so this may be a fool's errand.
none_the_less, i'll give it a try.

which one or several things are generally accepted
  for this format_conversion task ?

is this "abiword" one of them or do i seek something else ?

if something else, can someone point me in a useful direction
  [ whether or not it is something i have named ] ?



while 6.2 and, soon, 7.x are de rigeur,
  if it works on 4.11 [ very long story ], that's a plus.



thanks whole bunches in advance.

[ please cc me,
as my attempt to re_subscribe to the list as a courtesy
doesn't seem to be taking.
]

rob

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Re: Does anyone know how to get the required downloads from Sun to build Java?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Bill Moran wrote:


Luckily, Sun is run by a bunch of Nazis, and doesn't use a standard


did you do some research in the family history of one of the founders?


thus I can't build OpenOffice.org for my shiny, new laptop ...


Do not worry, my old and dirty laptop is also without OpenOffice. So, 
you do not feel alone at least.


After getting real bored with all the OpenOffice problems, I installed 
KOffice and Abiword and have not seen any problems yet.


Erich
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Re: Partition to be shared over OSes

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote:

Hi
I have some operation systems installed on a hd in some partitions.
I'd like to know if could I have a partition FAT32 in my hd and let my 
linux/bsd/windows read/write any file there.


To that purpose (share a partition to windows/linux/bsd) what's the best 
solution?


My partition to be NTFS and install on each SO (-win) ntfs-3g ?


I get sometimes problems in mounting them after I wrote some GB in one 
session to them.


FAT32 is something much more safer when it comes just to data exchange.

I would not keep any kind of data on this partition then.

Erich
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Re: who wrote this

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

T,

I don't know any soft way to say this.  The man, Hitler, was the most 
evil person that our generation has ever witnessed.  The things he did 


this is why he has to be quoted so people see from where certain ideas 
originate.


I live in a country where many things are - knowingly or unknowingly - 
copied from this guy.


What really gets me is the fact that this is one of the examples put on 
the FreeBSD page.  I'm all for freedom and libertarian ideals, but for 


You can promote freedom only if you are able to describe the opposite.

I don't want to outlaw anything, but have some good taste.  Learn to 
moderate yourselves, this is what "freedom" is all based on, being good 
to others.


You must make people aware. If people are not aware - this was the most 
common excuse of Germans after the war - they will never ever support 
any actions against something.


I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can help 
to modify the text on this page.


I hope, you will not find this person.

Just for your information. Parts of my family were active against Hitler 
until the collapse of the Third Reich.


I think, that you are not able to understand the possible unawareness if 
you have not experienced it just after 1945. A very high percentage of 
Germans simply could not imagine or did not believe what was going on 
around them.


Surpressing even quotes like them here, is the first step to make people 
feel as they live in a perfect world.


Erich
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Re: top posting (off-topic)

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Brent Jones wrote:

Sorry if this is a bit off topic for this list, but it seem to be a
comment that comes up very regularly; "please don't top post..."


at least, you make me understand what this means.

Yes, it is stupid to avoid top posting as they save a lot of time as 
long as it is still clear how it is connected to the original message.


I for one prefer top posting, as usually I have read a particular thread
enough times that I like to cut to the chase and read the new input
without having to scroll down, sometimes navigating an endless nesting


Most of the time, it is a waste to keep the parts of the original 
message which is not referred to in the answer.



Anyone else feel the same?


Oh yes!

Erich
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Re: who wrote this

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:




1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for or 
against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does 
not matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how appropriate 
the wording on our website.  because like it or not, we have to present 
a decent website that does not offend our users and does not make us 
look bad in front of non-users.


this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was 
lost. 'I only did my job'.


that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting is 
that we remove his name from the website: 


Is there a shorter way to express the same thing?

freedoms.  All they will see is that we seemingly support Hitler.  Why 
don't we have other names controversial during our times like Mussolini, 
Stalin, or even Gorge Bush?


Because they are just lousy copy cats. But one has at least a serious 
chance to make it up to become the new leader of the pack.



One thing is for sure, Adolf Schicklgruber still keep people busy.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term
is "wrong".


both terms are offensive here.

I am a foreign talent.

This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


both terms are offensive here.

I am a foreign talent.



Really?  Cool!  Which planet are you from?


third rock from the sun.



This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent.



The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they


and the remaining IQ was killed by hand phones.

Man, market penetration is here above 110%

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:


Does this include YouTube?


this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 


he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him.

He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself.

it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.


He gave his life for the country.




Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.


Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.


Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before?

Erich

PS:

I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
the irony in here





Erich





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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Jerry McAllister wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:


His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom'


I never have heard of this bevore.


Now, how does this fit in OS type questions.   I'd really have to think
hard to rationalize that.Sorry.


Nobody seems to know this at all anymore.


PS:

I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
the irony in here




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Re: who wrote this

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it.  FreeBSD
is first and formost, for the educated computer user.


Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated
friends, laugh at Hirosima's anecdotes with your highly educated
japanese friends, etc. But every educated person should understand
what may be done privately and what should be done publicly. Let's
have enough tact not to bother very sensitive history at the
official FreeBSD site.


sensorship starts in the mind of the people.

Erich
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Re: who wrote this

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Gerard wrote:

On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote:


[ snip ]


sensorship starts in the mind of the people.

   ^
"censorship "


I have had a good laugh on this.

Let me tell you, why it was so.

I have had to write two documents over the last month with the word 
sensor or sense in every other sentence.


It just shows how limited the own mind gets when it is busy with certain 
things and then even the spell checker does not complain anymore. It 
does not matter anymore what the words really mean.


Erich
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Re: How to find out when a package is installed?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

pkg_info | grep name

or

whereis name

/var/db/pkd contains for every installed port an enry. Isn't the date 
the date of the first installation of this package?


Erich

Simon Gao wrote:

Hi,

Is there a command that can help find out when a package is
installed/compiled? Or what options should I give to pkg_info to find
out installation date?

Simon
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performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I wonder what the performance impact of the entries in /etc/hosts really is.

What is your experience?

Google tells me a lot of hosts running FreeBSD but I could not find 
anything regarding the hosts file itself.


I use hosts for filtering all unwanted content on my personal machine.

I run currently 6.2.

Thanks!

Erich
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Re: performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:

On Tuesday 11 December 2007 05:18:40 Erich Dollansky wrote:


I use hosts for filtering all unwanted content on my personal machine.


That's not apparent. What are your filtering?


all the sites I personally do not want to see.


and how do your filter using /etc/hosts?


127.0.0.1 BadHost.com


I recall that before DNS(that's a long time ago) the mapping


Yes, this was normal, a long time ago.


The only "filtering" I can imagine of, is using something like
127.0.0.1 badhosts.com


Yes.


But all you get is misinforming *your* resolver that


Yes, this is what I want. Just the machine I am working on. No other 
machine should get any impact from this.



badhosts.com is on 127.0.0.1, that is, *you* cannot
connect to badhosts.com.


Yes, this is what I want.


badhosts.com can connect to your machine just fine.


Yes, if they would come through to it.


And I doubt that's what you want.


This is really what I want. Just avoiding the traffic, the time and the 
optical disturbance caused by all those sites.


I would even prefer a method as simple as hosts but linked even to my 
user account.


Erich
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Re: performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Warren Block wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Erich Dollansky wrote:
This is really what I want. Just avoiding the traffic, the time and 
the optical disturbance caused by all those sites.


I would even prefer a method as simple as hosts but linked even to my 
user account.


http://adblockplus.org/en/ works fine on Firefox.  Easier to use and 
more effective than 127.0.0.1 entries in /etc/hosts.



I do not even use Firefox.

hosts has the clear limit that stuff coming from the same site as the 
text I want to read is still shown.


In general, it works fine.

But new sites have new stuff I would like to be filtered out. To make 
these experiences as rare as possible, I collect from friends and the 
Internet hosts files to filter as much as possible.


This resulted in a pretty large file meanwhile.

But the Internet looks much more usable for me now.

Erich
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Re: performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:

Erich Dollansky wrote:

Assuming I've understood your initial post correctly, then I do the 
same, redirecting some dozen ad sites to a  local web server.  With a 


this is how I started. Then friends did the same. We exchanged the 
files. We added hosts files from the Internet.


dozen or so aliases I've never noticed any difference in performance, 
but I suspect you have rather more than that :-)  I could never quite be 


I also do not notice a difference. Especially news sites with all the 
ads are even faster as there is no waiting for the ads.


I'm pretty sure you could also do the same with a local DNS server, if 


This is what I am thinking of since some time but I never did.

It would have the additional advantage of faster name resolution.

Having a DNS on every machine seems like a real overkill to me.

There's no clean solutions to getting different lookups per-user that I 


The clen solution is hosts.

Unclean solutions might include something like making the hosts file 


This is something I would like to avoid.

Erich
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Re: performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:

On Wednesday 12 December 2007 04:06:01 Erich Dollansky wrote:

There's no clean solutions to getting different lookups per-user that


Both ipfw and pf support tables, which is what you


I would like to avoid having a fire wall running on each machine.


Out of curiosity, how big your hosts file is?


It is above 600KB since I included also the information I found on sites 
like this:


http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Since I joined my private file with this one

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt

it grew to the mentioned 600KB from below 10KB.

If you still see unwanted content, just add a line and it will be gone 
during your next visit.


The beauty is, Internet feels still faster then before.

It has one advantage over all those ad removal tools. It filters what I 
do not like. It has nothing to do with censorship, it just gets rid of 
all the crap hanging around on every corner of a web page trying to sell 
you anti virus software or larger dicks.


Erich
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Re: performance impact of large /etc/hosts files

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,



Warren Block wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Erich Dollansky wrote:


If you still see unwanted content, just add a line and it will be gone 
during your next visit.


Like AdBlockPlus, only more work.


The beauty is, Internet feels still faster then before.


Like AdblockPlus.

It has one advantage over all those ad removal tools. It filters what 
I do not like. It has nothing to do with censorship, it just gets rid 
of all the crap hanging around on every corner of a web page trying to 
sell you anti virus software or larger dicks.


Like AdblockPlus.  What is the one advantage?

There are some differences: AdblockPlus removes the ads and lets the 


but it is limited to these browsers:

Minimal requirements: Firefox 1.5, Thunderbird 1.5, SeaMonkey 1.0, Flock 
0.5, Songbird 0.2.


Erich
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Re: Mousewheel verschwunden

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

this is an English speaking list.

Do you speak English?

If not, here is the short translation.

Erich

Seth Brundle wrote:

Hallo Liste,

nach Update auf RELENG_7 und Update der Ports ist nun mein Scrollrad
verschwunden... :-(

Ernst is running RELENG_7. His mouse wheel disappeared after the update 
of FreeBSD and the ports.



Ein wenig gegurgle zeigt mir hier, daß ich nicht der einzige bin --
allerdings habe ich keine Lösung finden können.


It looks like a common problem.


moused(8) läuft bei mir, zusammen mit fluxbox oder gnome2.


Moused runs with fluxbox and gnome2.

Who has a solution?



Hat irgendjemand das gleiche Problem gehabt und schon gelöst?

Vielen Dank & Grüße,

Ernst
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Re: Copy-paste is broken in KDE?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

could it be that you mix up the concepts behind copy and paste and the 
currently selected to be copied into the current windows with the click 
of the middle mouse button?


Erich

Yuri wrote:
I am seeing occasionally that selected text isn't being copied into the 
clipboard and isn't available for subsequent paste (with the middle 
mouse button).
In most cases it works, maybe in <1% cases it doesn't,  still enough to 
make it annoying.


Also for example I am not able to copy the selected text in the 
previously sent message in skype-2.0.0.68 (Linux app) to the clipboard 
and paste it to thunderbird.
But if I first paste it to the shell window and copy again it then 
pastes to thunderbird ok.


Anybody observes these kind of copy-paste problems?

Are they known issues?

I am using KDE 3.5.8 and FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE

Yuri

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Re: Kernel stalling at "pci0: on pcib0"

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 07 February 2012 12:40:09 Will McCutcheon wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I recently got a HP t5700 thin client that I wanted to turn into a
> firewall using pfSense. For reference, this system uses a Transmeta Crusoe
> TM5800 CPU with a VIA chipset that I'm having difficulty identifying. My
> issue is that about half of the time the kernel will stall during startup
> after the following:
> 
this reminds me of my notebook with the same Crusoe CPU. I have had to leave it 
with 7.x as newer version gave problems. The problems have been different but 
it looked like some driver could not handle the peripherals properly. It booted 
but was unusable.

I never tried 9 on it.

Erich
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Re: Kernel stalling at "pci0: on pcib0"

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 07 February 2012 12:49:46 Da Rock wrote:
> On 02/07/12 15:48, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday 07 February 2012 12:40:09 Will McCutcheon wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I recently got a HP t5700 thin client that I wanted to turn into a
> >> firewall using pfSense. For reference, this system uses a Transmeta Crusoe
> >> TM5800 CPU with a VIA chipset that I'm having difficulty identifying. My
> >> issue is that about half of the time the kernel will stall during startup
> >> after the following:
> >>
> > this reminds me of my notebook with the same Crusoe CPU. I have had to 
> > leave it with 7.x as newer version gave problems. The problems have been 
> > different but it looked like some driver could not handle the peripherals 
> > properly. It booted but was unusable.
> >
> > I never tried 9 on it.
> Maybe try hackers@?

I think that it is a waste of resources to make new versions of FreeBSD work 
with old hardware as long as a supported version is available for it.

Erich
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Re: Is the list down?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 17 February 2012 08:49:37 Da Rock wrote:
> On 02/17/12 11:21, Al Plant wrote:
> > I have not seen any action in 2 days.
> There's been plenty of action in the last 2 days. Maybe check your mail 
> server logs for errors?

I noticed the same thing. The missing mails arrived all meanwhile over night. 

Mails from other sources have been received normally during this period of time.

Things like this happen once in a while.

Erich
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Re: Processor question

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thursday 16 February 2012 17:20:23 krad wrote:
> On 14 February 2012 20:28, Frank Shute  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 02:47:08PM -0500, Mike Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > >
> > > I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros
> > > seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the
> > > first place.  They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well
> > > (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone.  Freedom of choice is always
> > > best.
> >
> > Yeah, I used to use Linux but they became a bunch of Freedom Nazis
> > controlled by big companies.
> >
> > Happily using FreeBSD for 10 years.
> >
> > >
> > > My question is:  Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel
> > > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386?
> >
> > Generally, for an x86 machine with 4GB or greater memory use amd64.
> > Memory less than that use i386.
> >
> 
> I would actually say 3GB or more, as if you have a machine at 4gb and run a
> 32bit os you waste the best part of a gig or more due to pci addressing etc
> 
I would use the amd64 version in any case. I was forced once to switch because 
I needed more than 4GB memory for a single application. I noticed then that 
most things went smoother then.

Erich
> 
> >
> > ie. you almost certainly want to use amd64, I should think.
> >
> > >
> > > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month.
> >
> > Excellent. Best of luck and any problems not covered in the handbook
> > or google, post here. Welcome to FreeBSD!
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mike Dockery
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> >
> >  Frank
> >
> >  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
> >
> >
> >
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Re: One or Four?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 18 February 2012 05:05:23 Robison, Dave wrote:
> 
> It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap 
> as such:
> 
> /
> /tmp
> /var
> /usr
> swap
> 
it really makes sense to keep it this way.

> The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which 
> creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a 
> single "/" partition as such:
> 
> /
> swap

Can you offer an option for beginners to get this schema installed?

I have had bad experiences with Windows running all on a single partition 
including swap.

FreeBSD always reboots no matter how screwed the /usr file system got. It does 
not matter if it is just full or damages for some other reason. At the least 
the machine is up and running and it is possible to fix the damaged partition.

How should it be possible to mount root as read only if root contains /usr?

I think that there are many more reasons why at least / has to stay separated 
from /usr. 
> 
> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.

When will the result be published?

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 18 February 2012 13:05:49 Lars Eighner wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote:
> 
> > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under 
> > /usr 
> > though.  I figure there must be a decent reason why.  Would anyone care to 
> > enlighten me?  What are the perceived advantages?  (Particularly if you 
> > then 
> > make a symlink to /home.)
> 
> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying

when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has had 
several 5MB hard disks.

I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to have 
several disks to run a serious system.

And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users on several 
5MB disks.

Erich
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Re: Is the list down?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi Al,

On Sunday 19 February 2012 07:15:00 Al Plant wrote:
> Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > 
> Aloha Eric,
> 
> My missing mail finally come down the pipe over night too. Strange but 
> it has happened before.
> 
> Thanks for your support. Where are you located? Here in Hawaii we have 
> military installations that suck up band with for certain projects that 
> have in the past interfered with email flow..
> 
the server is in Salt Lake City but I on the other side of the globe: Indonesia.
> 
> 
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740

I always have one question when I hear of people from a location like yours: 
how is it going with the mosquitoes there?

Erich
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Re: One or Four?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good.   Or, I could even
> suggest just two choices.  
> 
yes, three options is ok.

>  [ ] all in one + swap
>Create one partition containing all subtrees
>plus one swap partition.
>
>  [ ] user-defined
>Make your own partitioning selection manually.
>(Both number and size of partitions)
>with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes.
>The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, 
>then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system.
> 
A normal user will use the first option here and get screwed when the file 
system got affected by a power failure. The second option is not an option for 
a general user.

> But, that middle choice that Polytropon suggested is OK to include
> if you think it is needed.  /, /tmp, /usr, /var, [/home] +swap

Yes, I strong urge you to leave this at least as an option. Just with a larger 
/ slice of 1 or better 2GB.
> 
> I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
> Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
> requesting.

You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system. They do not 
think of recovery until it actually happens.

Erich
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Re: One or Four?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 19 February 2012 09:30:55 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 08:03:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> > > 
> > > So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good.   Or, I could even
> > > suggest just two choices.  
> > > 
> > yes, three options is ok.
> > 
> > >  [ ] all in one + swap
> > >Create one partition containing all subtrees
> > >plus one swap partition.
> > >
> > >  [ ] user-defined
> > >Make your own partitioning selection manually.
> > >(Both number and size of partitions)
> > >with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes.
> > >The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, 
> > >then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system.
> > > 
> > A normal user will use the first option here and get screwed when the file 
> > system got affected by a power failure. The second option is not an option 
> > for a general user.
> > 
> > > But, that middle choice that Polytropon suggested is OK to include
> > > if you think it is needed.  /, /tmp, /usr, /var, [/home] +swap
> > 
> > Yes, I strong urge you to leave this at least as an option. 
> > Just with a larger / slice of 1 or better 2GB.
> > > 
> > > I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
> > > Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
> > > requesting.
> > 
> > You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system. 
> > They do not think of recovery until it actually happens.
> 
> We forgot nothing.   They can just select option 1 and then later
> when something happens so learn otherwise, if they ever do, they
> will have option 3 to more specifically build their system according
> to their newly perceived needs.

where do they get the knowledge from?

Erich
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Re: One or Four?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 19 February 2012 11:40:22 Carl Johnson wrote:
> Erich Dollansky  writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good.   Or, I could even
> >> suggest just two choices.  
> >> 
> > yes, three options is ok.
> >
> >>  [ ] all in one + swap
> >>Create one partition containing all subtrees
> >>plus one swap partition.
> >>
> >>  [ ] user-defined
> >>Make your own partitioning selection manually.
> >>(Both number and size of partitions)
> >>with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes.
> >>The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, 
> >>then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system.
> >> 
> > A normal user will use the first option here and get screwed when the
> > file system got affected by a power failure. The second option is not
> > an option for a general user. 
> 
> What will happen in the case of a power failure?  I just see an fsck
> when that happens, and I have been running unix and linux for about 20
> years.  I have always had multiple partitions in the past, but for 9.0 I
> went with the single partition.

it will not even boot if there is only a single slice with root and the rest on 
it if the background fsck cannot be run.

I have to go to real remote locations once in a while where an USP is not of 
real help anymore as the USP is not able to charge its battery before the next 
power failure comes. It happened there some times that the /usr slice needs a 
foreground check. Of course, all can be fixed.

I cannot imagine that this would still work if / is on the same slice as the 
rest of the data.

Of course, these are rare things but with the other standards of FreeBSD in 
mind, I would keep at least the visible option there so people are obviously 
made aware that there is something to consider.

What will beginners do when they are not able to restart their machine?

Take a pirated Windows CD and go back to the other trouble maker as there was 
no difference for them.

Of course, people like you and me would need this option only to safe a bit of 
time.

Erich
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 8.2-RELEASE-p6 but still on 8.2-RELEASE-p3

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 19 February 2012 18:17:59 Antonio Olivares wrote:
> 
> I hope this is the case, but that -p3 makes me think?  I am hesistant
> to move to 9.0-RELEASE as of yet.  There will apparently be an
> 8.3-RELEASE and I am not sure whether I have to rebuild all ports if I

you could adapt my strategy. Stay with 8 until 10 appears at the scene.

You will have support for 8.x until 10.0 will be available. There is no need 
for you to switch to 9.x at all.

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote:
> On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote:

> >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying
> > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has had 
> > several 5MB hard disks.
> >
> > I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to have 
> > several disks to run a serious system.
> >
> > And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users on 
> > several 5MB disks.
> >
> > Erich
> Erich, can I be so bold as to ask what brand the disks were? And tax 
> your memory as to when?

it was DEC PDP-11 with a strange drive. One disk was fixed, one was removable. 
This is the reason why it was easy to switch the operating system. RL .. 
something like this was the disk name.

The disks were all from DEC too.

This was late 79, early 80. Yes, it was some time ago. The machine ran normally 
with 256KB of RAM with the whole institute as potential users.
> 
> I came across an 80M disk a few years ago (at a time when 120G was the 
> largest), and I was thinking I could use that to prop up my swap space 
> by about 1 or 2% ;)
> 
> That one was a quantum I think...
> 
> During my tertiary education we used to get 2M of space as a user, I was 
> always filling it up in a few sessions. But I digress...

The figures changed really very much in IT, but the concepts did not.

Except when you are listening to marketing people. It was all invented 
yesterday only.

On the side, I have had my first contact with some world wide net in 85 on a 
AT&T unix machine. The machine was connected directly to a 155MBit/s ATM line. 
Man, all of my later Internet lines have been slower.

And I did not even realise what potential is in this technology. It was just 
too normal to be available at the university there.

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 21 February 2012 13:20:11 Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012:
> > On Tuesday 21 February 2012 12:26:03 Chip Camden wrote:
> > > Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012:
> > > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote:
> > > > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical 
> > > > > >> - trying
> > > > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine 
> > > > > > has had several 5MB hard disks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to 
> > > > > > have several disks to run a serious system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users 
> > > > > > on several 5MB disks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Erich
> > > > > Erich, can I be so bold as to ask what brand the disks were? And tax 
> > > > > your memory as to when?
> > > > 
> > > > it was DEC PDP-11 with a strange drive. One disk was fixed, one was 
> > > > removable. This is the reason why it was easy to switch the operating 
> > > > system. RL .. something like this was the disk name.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I believe the 5MB removable were RL01.  They also had a 10MB removable
> > > RL02, which we used for software distribution.  We resold them to our
> > > customers at $170 each.
> > 
> > yes, this sound familiar. The RL02 came later.
> > 
> > I think that tapes were much more common for software distribution those 
> > days.
> > 
> > I still remember the responsiveness of RSX-11 even compared to FreeBSD 
> > under all circumstances. Real time is real time.
> > 
> > Erich
> > > 
> 
> Oh man -- we wrote process control software in Fortran-77 on RSX-11M to
> automate our software distribution processes.  That was the best!  DECNET
> to communicate between systems.

I developed hardware for the Q bus but hardly wrote any software for the PDP 11.

I worked later in industrial automation where many PDP 11 have been used those 
days.

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 21 February 2012 12:26:03 Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote:
> > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > 
> > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - 
> > > >> trying
> > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has 
> > > > had several 5MB hard disks.
> > > >
> > > > I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to 
> > > > have several disks to run a serious system.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users on 
> > > > several 5MB disks.
> > > >
> > > > Erich
> > > Erich, can I be so bold as to ask what brand the disks were? And tax 
> > > your memory as to when?
> > 
> > it was DEC PDP-11 with a strange drive. One disk was fixed, one was 
> > removable. This is the reason why it was easy to switch the operating 
> > system. RL .. something like this was the disk name.
> > 
> 
> I believe the 5MB removable were RL01.  They also had a 10MB removable
> RL02, which we used for software distribution.  We resold them to our
> customers at $170 each.

yes, this sound familiar. The RL02 came later.

I think that tapes were much more common for software distribution those days.

I still remember the responsiveness of RSX-11 even compared to FreeBSD under 
all circumstances. Real time is real time.

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 21 February 2012 13:06:57 Robert Bonomi wrote:
> Erich Dollansky  wrote:
> > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote:
> > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has 
> > > > had several 5MB hard disks.
> > > >
> > > > I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to 
> > > > have several disks to run a serious system.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users on 
> > > > several 5MB disks.
> > > >
> > > > Erich
> > > Erich, can I be so bold as to ask what brand the disks were? And tax 
> > > your memory as to when?
> >
> > it was DEC PDP-11 with a strange drive. One disk was fixed, one was 
> > removable.
> > This is the reason why it was easy to switch the operating system. RL .. 
> > something like this was the disk name.
> 
> AHA.  probably an 'RL-05',  cousin to the better known "RK-05"
> 
> 14" media, in a 'cartridge'.   I -think- it was an 'SMD' interface

14" could be true as it just fitted into a 19" rack.

SMD? I have no idea. It was something others did not use I have known then.

SCSI came only later, ST506? Did it exist already?

Erich
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 21 February 2012 22:18:38 Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:53:10 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote:
> > The RK05 had one removable platter in a plastic housing. 
> 
> Please compare the images of the drive and the media.
> Does it look similar?
> 
> 
> 
> Removable platters types EC 5269 in plastic cartridge:
> 
> http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/komponenten/datentraeger.htm#wechselplatte
> 
it looks like the DEC media.
> 
> 
> Drive ISOT 1370 with one fixed platter and one removable platter:
> 
> http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/zubehoer/wechselplatten.htm#isot1370
> 
This is what we have had.

Erich
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Re: One or Four?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Wednesday 22 February 2012 02:48:21 David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Erich Dollansky
>  wrote:
> > it will not even boot if there is only a single slice with root and the 
> > rest on it if the background fsck cannot be run.
> >
> > I have to go to real remote locations once in a while where an USP is not 
> > of real help anymore as the USP is not able to charge its battery before 
> > the next power failure comes. It happened there some times that the /usr 
> > slice needs a foreground check. Of course, all can be fixed.
> >
> > I cannot imagine that this would still work if / is on the same slice as 
> > the rest of the data.
> 
> Why not?  / gets mounted read-only, foreground fsck is run on /, system 
> boots...
> 
> Maybe I'm just not understanding the problem here.  I suppose in
> theory your root filesystem could be so corrupt that it won't even
> mount read-only, but I've never actually seen that happen except in
> the case of an outright disk failure.

it happened to me under very strange circumstances. I was in a location with 
extremely bad power supply where even an USP has had problems recharging far 
enough to allow for a decent shutdown.

I believe that main cause was that the last power failure occurred when fsck 
was running shortly after a reboot.

As a result, only / got mounted. I have had to run a foreground fsck on the 
affected slices.

It did not just happen once but several times.

It did not happen to me since the switch to 6 many years ago. So, it is 
something rare, but it exists.

Erich
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Re: Installation troubles

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Wednesday 22 February 2012 21:04:12 herbert langhans wrote:
> Hi Daemons,
> yesterday I tried to install FreeBSD 9 on my 'new' laptop - an IBM X31.
> 
> Since this model has no CD or floppy drive I copied the memstick-file to
> such an USB-thing and tried to boot. The laptop freezes when the kernel
> scans for the UBS-ports, booting impossible.
> 
> Now my question: can I take the harddisk out, install FreeBSD 9 over
> another laptop (with the X31-harddisk inside) and put the installed
> harddrive back to the X31? Is there anything else besides the rc.d-stuff
> what will/will not get installed if I use the 'wrong' computer?
> 
> The old hd-cotent will be deleted, the new laptop will only be FreeBSD.
> 
> All ideas welcome, thank you
> herb langhans
> 
I did this several times before but I used to connect the hard disk via USB. 
Just get an USB case for the disk. It is much easier this way as you keep one 
notebook intact.

You have to check the drives in fstab and rc.conf.

If I remember right the rest was ok.

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

what effort was it to collect the nearly 400 addresses?

On Thursday 23 February 2012 19:29:12 Al Hadith wrote:
> 
> My name is Roy Mathew. I am new to FreeBSD. I had a look at the history of
> your operating system.
> 
Al, Mathew?

> I suggest to everyone of you that you recommend to change/replace the
> unnecessary picture right in front of your website.

Are you talking about this ugly ball? Some say that it is a sex toy. Don't you 
like sex toys?
> 
> I am highly educated and qualified.

In what?

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 01:19:23 Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:27:08 +0400
> Andrey Chernov articulated:
> 
> {snip}
> 
> 1) Was there anyone NOT CC'd in that last post?

it was only 400 of yours. So, not so bad.
> 
> 2) Why are we feeding this troll?

To have some fun trolling the troll.

Erich
> 
>   .:\:/:.
>   +---+ .:\:\:/:/:.
>   |   PLEASE DO NOT   |:.:\:\:/:/:.:
>   |  FEED THE TROLLS  |   :=.' -   - '.=:
>   |   |   '=(\ 9   9 /)='
>   |   Thank you,  |  (  (_)  )
>   |   Management  |  /`-vvv-'\
>   +---+ / \
>   |  |@@@  / /|,|\ \
>   |  |@@@ /_//  /^\  \\_\
> @x@@x@|  | |/ WW(  (   )  )WW
> \/|  |\|   __\,,\ /,,/__
>  \||/ |  | |  (__Y__)
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 06:18:16 Steve Bertrand wrote:
> On 2012-02-23 10:17, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> 
> >> I suggest to everyone of you that you recommend to change/replace the
> >> unnecessary picture right in front of your website.
> >
> > Are you talking about this ugly ball? Some say that it is a sex toy. Don't 
> > you like sex toys?
> 
> lol iirc, Ted Mittelstaedt started the sex-toy thing sometime in the mid 
> 2000's. I see some things just stick ;)

yes, he spoke it out loud.

I live in Asia and they really have these things here. Just without the horns.

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 13:59:03 Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 02:18, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> 
> > On 2012-02-23 10:17, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> > lol iirc, Ted Mittelstaedt started the sex-toy thing sometime in the mid
> > 2000's. I see some things just stick ;)
> >
> >
> And now that someone has mentioned Ted Mittelstaedt, I really miss Ted. He
> made me love FreeBSD because of all the assistance he'd give. Where is he??
> 
he actually has had written a book which made me return to BSD after a long 
absence.

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 14:14:32 Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 24/02/2012 06:59, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > I live in Asia and they really have these things here. Just without the 
> > horns.
> 
> That would be what most people call a "ball."  They have them in the
> west too...
> 
do they vibrate when they get moved?

The Asian balls are more like bells. There is something inside which make them 
vibrate.

Erich
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Re: Security? [Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.]

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 17:10:21 Dave wrote:
> Can I please request, you all check your mail client "reply to" settings.

I think, some - like me too - reply here always to all.
> 
> Many of the "replies" to this thread, have also been sent to the 388 (was 
> it) addresses in the original To: field, as well as the list.

Wasn't it 389?
> 
> Might the list settings need tweaking a bit?
> 
> Also, just where did he originaly harvest all those addresses from, are 
> they publicly available, or is there a gaping hole in some server 
> somewhere.

Just collect all addresses from the list ending with freebsd.org?

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 24 February 2012 19:20:42 Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Friday 24 February 2012 14:14:32 Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > > On 24/02/2012 06:59, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > > I live in Asia and they really have these things here. Just without the 
> > > > horns.
> > > 
> > > That would be what most people call a "ball."  They have them in the
> > > west too...
> > > 
> > do they vibrate when they get moved?
> > 
> > The Asian balls are more like bells. There is something inside which make 
> > them vibrate.
> 
> Yes there's an acoustic element to them I recall, about 3.5 cm (2.54

it sounds like on some, it doesn't sound like in others. There are different 
diameters available.

They are also a good tool to massage your own hands, get your back massages and 
- coming to the subject - do what people do with a thing looking like the 
famous logo.

> cm = 1") diameter, pack of 2.  Pick one up & it feels like an outer
> stainless steel shell, connected by springs to an inner weight.
> Reflex was to want to saw it apart to see what was inside, & how
> they assembled the 2 halves.  I suppose spot welding, then circular
> rim welding, then polishing then stainless steel finish ?

I also wanted to do the same too but I never did. I have no idea how they are 
really manufactured.

Erich
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Re: Why is this Symbol in the front of your website. A humble request.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 26 February 2012 03:26:48 C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Erich Dollansky
>  wrote:
> > On Friday 24 February 2012 14:14:32 Matthew Seaman wrote:
> >> On 24/02/2012 06:59, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >> > I live in Asia and they really have these things here. Just without the 
> >> > horns.
> >>
> >> That would be what most people call a "ball."  They have them in the
> >> west too...
> >
> > do they vibrate when they get moved?
> 
> Yes, but only if they run FreeBSD, and only if they have the
> hw.balls.vibrating sysctl(8) set to 1.

always these complicated things. This is why life here is so much more exiting.

We do not need sysctl.

Erich
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Re: Custom Kernel Target Ignored

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 26 February 2012 15:10:16 Carolyn Longfoot wrote:
> 
> When I start
> cd /usr/src
> make buildkernel KERNELCONF=MYKERNEL
> 
> then the process start and gives
> --
> >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Feb 25 10:59:25 EST 2012

I do not know where the word GENERIC is taken from. Maybe from you 
configuration file?

> Even though my config file has
> ident MYKERNEL
> 
Ok, excluded then.

> I checked and there are no rogue versions of MYKERNEL (like a straight copy 
> from GENERIC) and it exists in
> /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf
> 
> I'm probably missing something really simple here, why would 'make' go for 
> GENERIC instead of my custom config?
> This is 9.0 RELEASE.
> 
 make buildkernel KERNCONF=AsusAMD620

is what I do.

Erich
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Re: Custom Kernel Target Ignored

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 26 February 2012 21:37:32 Carolyn Longfoot wrote:
> 
> > > 
> >  make buildkernel KERNCONF=AsusAMD620
> > 
> > is what I do.
> > 
> > Erich
> 
> ARGHHH... KERNCONF not KERNELCONF... scuse my blindness...
> 
this is what we are for.

The simplest things are very often the most difficult to solve.

Erich
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Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I cannot tell how often I have said this already. I stay with the even branches 
until the next even branch comes out. Currently, the machine here runs 8.3 and 
will stick to 8 until 10.0 or 10.1 will arrive at the scene.

But for technical reasons, I have left one machine on 7 after the upgrade from 
6 to 8 failed. It is a very old machine and some hardware support got dropped.

Erich

On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:03:45 Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> 
> On 2/28/12 1:52 AM, sw2wolf wrote:
> >> uname -a
> > FreeBSD mybsd.zsoft.com 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #3: Fri Sep 30
> > 15:23:56 CST 2011
> > r...@mybsd.zsoft.com:/media/G/usr/obj/media/G/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL  i386
> > 
> > I am using 8.2 for a long time. And it works VERY well.
> > 
> > 
> > Any suggestion is appreciated!
> > 
> 
> This is an entirely subjective question and one that only you can answer.
> 
> For example, given the number of problem reports I'm seeing on the
> lists, I'm going to stick with the 8-STABLE branch for still a long
> time, likely until 9.1 or 9.2-RELEASE.
> 
> You may want to reflect on the features you currently use and whether
> they've been improved in 9.0-RELEASE or not (eg ZFS v28)
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Re: hard disk behavior

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thursday 01 March 2012 00:18:03 jb wrote:
> I very often hear this metallic (mechanical) clicking from my hard disk when
> it is active. I experience this behavior under FreeBSD only (not other OSs).
> Is there any way to figure out what it means ?
> Any other tools, except SMART below, to try ? What to look for ?
>  
nothing seems to be wrong with the disk from my point of view.

I have no idea what causes the noise. What is the machine doing when you hear 
it?

Erich


> # /usr/local/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/ada0
> smartctl 5.42 2011-10-20 r3458 [FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE i386] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
> 
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family: Western Digital Scorpio Blue Serial ATA
> Device Model: WDC WD1600BEVS-08RST2
> Serial Number:WD-WXC308897633
> LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2abfdb88c
> Firmware Version: 11.01G11
> User Capacity:160,041,885,696 bytes [160 GB]
> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is:   7
> ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
> Local Time is:Wed Feb 29 18:01:06 2012 CET
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
> 
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> 
> General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status:  (0x00)   Offline data collection activity
>   was never started.
>   Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
> Self-test execution status:  (   0)   The previous self-test routine 
> completed
>   without error or no self-test has ever 
>   been run.
> Total time to complete Offline 
> data collection:  ( 6780) seconds.
> Offline data collection
> capabilities:  (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
>   Auto Offline data collection on/off 
> support.
>   Suspend Offline collection upon new
>   command.
>   Offline surface scan supported.
>   Self-test supported.
>   Conveyance Self-test supported.
>   Selective Self-test supported.
> SMART capabilities:(0x0003)   Saves SMART data before entering
>   power-saving mode.
>   Supports SMART auto save timer.
> Error logging capability:(0x01)   Error logging supported.
>   General Purpose Logging supported.
> Short self-test routine 
> recommended polling time:  (   2) minutes.
> Extended self-test routine
> recommended polling time:  (  87) minutes.
> Conveyance self-test routine
> recommended polling time:  (   6) minutes.
> SCT capabilities:(0x103f) SCT Status supported.
>   SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
>   SCT Feature Control supported.
>   SCT Data Table supported.
> 
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED 
> WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   200   200   051Pre-fail  Always  
>  -
>   0
>   3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   188   188   021Pre-fail  Always  
>  -
>   1558
>   4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   972
>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140Pre-fail  Always  
>  -
>   0
>   7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   200   200   051Pre-fail  Always  
>  -
>   0
>   9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   087   087   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   10148
>  10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   051Pre-fail  Always  
>  -
>   0
>  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0012   100   100   051Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   0
>  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   773
> 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   29
> 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032   001   001   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   779337
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   115   104   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   32
> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000Old_age   Always  
>  -
>   0
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   200   200   000Old_age   Always  

Re: which FF ad blocker?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thursday 01 March 2012 07:57:53 Gary Kline wrote:
> which of the many adblockers should i try?

I use /etc/hosts to block unwanted sites.

I used 

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

as a starting point and added other sites over time.

If course, adds which are served from the visited host are not blocked that 
way. Let them earn some money.

Erich
> 
> thanks in advance for your insights!
> 
> -- 
>  Gary Kline  kl...@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
>  Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc
>   The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org
>  Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community.
> 
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Re: replacing disk

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 04 March 2012 08:01:33 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote:
> 
> I am replacing an IDE disk (ad0) with a SATA disk (ad4)

what did you want to tell us?

If you still have the old one, copy the data over.

Of course, you need a kernel which can use SATA.

fstab, maybe rc.conf should be adapted.

What did I miss?

Erich
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Re: replacing disk

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 04 March 2012 08:47:39 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2012 18:01:33 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote:
> >
> 
> In the disk I have 3 OS (FreeDOS, XP and FreeBSD)
> 
I never used any other operating system on a machine with FreeBSD. So, my 
comments could be off.

> I use PartitionWizard to create the 3 slice in the new disk (ad4)

Should work.
> 
> I use ghost.exe (2003 version) to pass FreeDOS and XP to the new slices in ad4
> 
Should also have worked.

> I boot in FreeBSD (in ad0) and with sysinstall, create the partitions in ad4 
> and using the next commands, I pass the info in my 4 partiotios 
> (/ /tmp /var /usr)
> 
Ok, I have had once a problem with doing this too. I never found out why.

Can you do this by hand from your running FreeBSD installation?
> newfs /dev/ad4s3a
> mount /dev/ad4s3a /mnt
> cd /mnt
> dump 0af - / | restore rf -

I do not see when you wrote the MBR with bootable code.

bsdlabel -B will do the job.

Erich
> 
> I modify /mnt/etc/fstab to reflect ad4 as the only disk
> 
> I turn off the PC, remove ad0 disk and turn on the PC, but FreeBSD do not boot
> 
> I forgot to mention taht I had activated the 3rd slice of the disk, if I 
> activate the 1st slice, FreeDOS boot
> 
> So I reconect ad0 and boot FreeBSD (from ad0) and use the next command
> 
> bsdlabel -B /dev/ad4s3

Ok, you did it.

One other thing. I used either dd when copying the disk. Most of the time, I 
even use rsync. It takes forever but I can continue my normal work.
> 
> But do not work either.
> 
> Do I really need to reinstall the OS on the new disk ad4 and tranfer my info 
> with the commands as described in
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NEW-HUGE-DISK

This works always but copying properly the old disk must also work.

One question again. Does your kernel support SATA?

If not, it will not work. If it is a GENERIC kernel, it does.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 09 March 2012 11:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?

hey, who clean my desk now? I was just eating when I read this crap. Best 
trolling ever!


> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.

have you ever thought, why certain function calls in Windows look the same in 
FreeBSD?
 
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.

While ReactOS will come out in 20 or 30 years, BSD is around for more than 30 
years.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote:
> 
> 
> I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a 
> proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly 
> claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha!
> 
you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.

It is a masterpiece on its own.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
> On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
> > Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.
> >
> > It is a masterpiece on its own.
> 
> Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in 
> wine and not windows.
> 
I know of one case in which the virus worked on wine too.

> The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally 
> broken as well.

wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
Windows has are not linked to design.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
> 
> [...]

it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'.
> 
> >
> > wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
> > Windows has are not linked to design.
> 
> I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!
> 
> ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
> name a few:
> 
> - no clean separation of system and apps

it is very clearly separated.

> - apps re-write system libs at will

Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?

> - no lib versioning

I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they 
put a version number into the library name.

> - there is not out of the box user / admin separation

Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every 
user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights.

> - no filesystem-based security

FAT rules!

> - default network protocols are insecure

Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some 
catching up.
> 
> ...and this is only scratching the surface
> 
> Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
> SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These
> folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:

Cash rules!

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I think that your irony detectors got damaged while reading my post. I am sorry 
for this.

On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:
> > > 
> > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
> > > name a few:
> 
> > > - apps re-write system libs at will
> > 
> > Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?
> 
> I'm not aware of any cases where installing or firing up an editor, web
> server, or mail user agent alters base system libraries.  I think you are
> mistaken.
> 
Isn't this a cool feature?
> 
> > 
> > > - no lib versioning
> > 
> > I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I
> > remember they put a version number into the library name.
> 
> I read "no lib versioning" as meaning "we don't get the same support for
> being able to use multiple versions of a library for different purposes,"
> but maybe I'm mistaken.

How can you say this?
> 
> > > - no filesystem-based security
> > 
> > FAT rules!
> 
> Uh . . . what?

It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...
> 
> > > - default network protocols are insecure
> > 
> > Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do
> > some catching up.
> 
> I suspect this was a reference to things like SMB/CIFS and other common
> networking protocols and toolsets on MS Windows systems.

Is this all in there by default?

Erich
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Re: Freebsd9.0 and the fgets directive in gcc

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Wednesday 21 March 2012 21:50:25 Martin McCormick wrote:
> I've got some code which I wrote about 6 or 8 years ago that
> apparently doesn't get along right now with FreeBSD9.0. In the
> problem code, there is a loop that uses fgets to read a line
> from a file. It runs properly until the 2708TH iteration and
> then it dumps core with a segmentation fault.
> 
> char string0[256];
> more lines of code . . .
> 
> while ( fgets(string0,sizeof(string0),fp_config)) {

how long is one line? Could it be that the failing line has 256 or more 
characters?

I would use

while ( fgets(string0,sizeof(string0) -1,fp_config)) {

to make sure that the last character does not cause a buffer overrun, no matter 
what fgets is supposed to do.

Erich
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Re: boot time error(?) involving snd_hda

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 23 March 2012 21:18:37 Robert Huff wrote:
> 
>   On a system running:
> 
> FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 11 08:20:02 EDT 2012 amd64 
> 
>   a message flashes by during boot about "Missing required module
> 'sound'."
>   loader.conf has:
> 
> snd_hda_load="YES"

the kernel module sound.ko should be loaded automatically when snd_hda is 
loaded. Can you check if this module exists on your machine?
> 
> 
>   Looking at "man snd+hda" I see this:
> 
> 
>  To compile this driver into the kernel, place the following
>  lines in your kernel configuration file:
> 
>   device sound
>   device snd_hda
> 
>  Alternatively, to load the driver as a module at boot time,
>  place the following line in loader.conf(5):
> 
>  snd_hda_load="YES"
> -
> 
>   The formatting here makes these seem (for lack of a better
> term) mutually exclusive, and so the kernel config does not have
> "device sound".
>   Have I misunderstood?
>   Is the documentation flawed?
> 
>   (In spite of the message, sound works fine.  I just want to get
> rid of the error message, and/or rectify the docuemntation.)

sound.ko is loaded whenever snd_hda is loaded on my 8.3 machine. Can you do a 
kldstat?

Erich
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Re: need help in freebsd

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Monday 26 March 2012 06:36:35 Stanley Aisi wrote:
> hi there,
> 
> i need your help in freebsd
> 
you found the right place to get help but you have to be a bit more specific.

Erich
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Re: Printer recommendation please

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 31 March 2012 11:28:55 Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:12:07 -0400, Matt Emmerton wrote:
> 
> When I was at university, there was a student, a rich one
> as one could assume: When he had emptied a printer, he
> bought a new one, dropping the "old" one into the garbage
> can. He even bought a new printer when he failed to plug
> in the one he just bought, and he also bought a new one
> when he didn't get the drivers installed of another new
> printer. He threw away two (maybe more?) fully functional
> printers.

I know a person who did this too. But for the purpose of saving money. It was 
during a time when new printers with refill have been cheaper than the refill. 
This guy actually saved money and has had the latest model.

I do not know if the pricing is still this strange.

Erich
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Re: Printer recommendation please

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 31 March 2012 11:12:07 Matt Emmerton wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:14:20 -0400
> > Mike Jeays wrote:
> > 
> > > I strongly recommend a laser printer over an inkjet even for home use. 
> > > The reduced running costs and better reliability are easily worth the 
> > > lack of colour, IMO.
> >
> > How do they compare for light and  occasional use? I'm thinking in terms
> of a few pages,
> > a few times a year, so presumably the consumables become perishables.
> 
> Toner really doesn't go bad, and good laser printers are built to last.  My
> first laser printer was an HP LaserJet 5P that my local bank branch was
> throwing away in 2003. It ran on its existing toner cartridge for 5 or 6
> years under light use - maybe 500 pages per year.

yes, take a laser. Inkjets just dry out before the next use. You need then to 
take some time to fix it. I have had only one in my life. I thought it was a 
good buy until I realised this problem.

My first laser printer was a IIP running for at least a decade until the 
electronics gave way. I just realised that I have had no laser printer failing 
mechanically.

The problem might will be to find a cheap one which works with FreeBSD. Friends 
bought the cheapest Samsung AIO. It did not give them any problems running 
Linux.

Erich
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FreeBSD Security in Multiuser Environments

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 31 March 2012 20:26:14 Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi,
> Reference:
> > From:   Da Rock  
> > Date:   Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:25:37 +1000 
> > Message-id: <4f76e9b1.5040...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> 
> 
> Da Rock wrote:
> > On 03/31/12 17:46, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Reference:
> > >> From:schu...@ime.usp.br
> > >> Date:Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:44:16 -0300
> > >> Message-id:  <20120330224416.13643xk4rsfd2...@webmail.ime.usp.br>
> > > schu...@ime.usp.br wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I would like to raise a discussion about the security features
> > >> of FreeBSD as a whole and how they might be employed to actually
> > >> derive some meaningful guarantees.
> > > We have a list specialy for freebsd-security@. Please use it.
> > Hang on, hold the phone: The security list (specifically) is for 
> > security announcements. At least that what it said when I subscribed to 
> > it...
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> For list of mail lists see:
>   http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
> 
> Specifically:
>   freebsd-secur...@freebsd.org
>   http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security
> 
>   freebsd-security-notificati...@freebsd.org
>   http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security-notifications
> 
this sounds very confusing for people who have simple question:

'General system administrator questions of an FAQ nature are off-topic for this 
list, but the creation and maintenance of a FAQ is on-topic. Thus, the 
submission of questions (with answers) for inclusion into the FAQ is welcome. 
Such question/answer sets should be clearly marked as (at least "FAQ 
submission") such in the subject. '

This sounds that 'schultz' would be wrong there.

Erich
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Re: Access to Time Warner cable network

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 01 April 2012 06:52:48 Fbsd8 wrote:
> Just purchased an account on the northern Ohio Time Warner cable system.
> Having problem connecting to their service. Seems their dhcp server has 
> an ip address of 10.2.0.1 which is not public routable. I know my 
> Freebsd 8.2 box functions because it worked fine under att service which 
> I just left for Time Warner service. MY xp laptop works fine with time 
> warner. I can see that during the connection hand shake they first issue 
> ip addresses 192.168.x.x then end up with real public routable ip 
> address for dns and my ip address. Just the dhcp ip is 10.2.0.1. XP 
> seems to handle this connection hand shake ok.

this seems to work like my ISP. I have at the end a private IP address in the 
range 10.x.y.z. They do the translation when needed for me. Of course, my 
machine is not accessible from outside.

What confuses me is that your XP machine gets a 192.168 address between. How 
can it access the DHCP then? Can you try to limit the address range to 10.x.y.z 
during the negotiation phase?

How do you connect to the cable? Is there some kind of a 'modem'?

Erich
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Re: Access to Time Warner cable network

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 01 April 2012 08:57:00 Da Rock wrote:
> >
> > Did they come to your location and run a test to their equipment? My 
> > neighbor had a recent cable outage of an existing cable on our block 
> > that was too low  and a moving van hit it.
> 
> Apparently the Windows system works, so I'd assume all that side is ok- 
> just FBSD box is the issue.

so, there is some difference. The questions are there to find out what the 
difference might be.

Erich
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Re: modem

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 03 April 2012 06:49:55 tim smith wrote:
> 
> My us robotics serial modem worked without issue on previous freebsd 
> versions. With 9, user ppp term, I get /dev/cuau0/ device failed to open
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
what does 

ls /dev

say?

Is the modem at least seen by FreeBSD?

Erich
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Re: compiling glib20 failed

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

when did you update your ports tree?

It works here on 8.3 with a ports tree from last week.

Erich

On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:02:51 gahn wrote:
> hi gurus:
> 
> i got problem with compiling glib20:
> 
> ===>   glib-2.28.8_4 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.10.1 - found
> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/liblzma.so.5: version XZ_5.0 required by 
> /usr/bin/xz not defined
> ===>  Missing license file for LGPL20 in 
> /usr/ports/devel/glib20/work/glib-2.28.8/COPYING
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/glib20.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> 
> basically i was trying to install tshark on freebsd 8.1 but it told me i need 
> to upgrade glib but i got into this mess.
> 
> thanks
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

not again.

Erich

On Sunday 08 April 2012 19:40:12 Tony wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate
> identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a
> design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any
> unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to
> the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look
> at over and over without getting annoyed.
> 
> The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more
> forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike
> logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool
> the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the
> hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres
> Logos
> )
> 
> Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails
> miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual
> education in design . There is no natural
> flow  and the whole thing just
> comes off as corny  -
> and this makes us all look bad. I also hear
> PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for
> stealing its design.
> 
> I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on
> Helvetica.
> No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the
> world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go
> out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as
> current now as it will be a hundred years from now.
> 
> "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when
> there's nothing left to take away."
> 
> Tony
> http://siegelgale.com/ 
> http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/
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Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Tuesday 10 April 2012 10:27:24 Jorge Biquez wrote:
> 
> As I have mentioned before I am helping a school , non profit with 

non profit --> no cost?

> One of the managers asked me for help to block some web sites were 

Have you checked hosts?

A rough but easy way.

Erich
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Re: Xorg doesn't go back correctly to console when closed on FreeBSD 9.0

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 13 April 2012 09:10:22 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:13:00 -0300
> Gabriel Marchi  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > I´m running 9.0-RELEASE on my laptop, everything works fine, except
> > when I try go back to console I get a black screen.
> > 
> > dmesg: http://pastebin.com/U45duS5n
> > xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/qERavJs0
> > Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/143m0gWB
> > pciconf: http://pastebin.com/ZfQ6daGC
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Gabriel Marchi
> 
> I've noticed this same behavior for a while now, when running X using
> xinit (startx).  Upon exiting my X session, the X server doesn't
> shutdown, but has to be manually killed.
> 
it is the same for 8.3 and before. I have this effect since many years on 
different machines with different versions. The effect comes and goes.

What works is switching to the console startx was called, hitting control C to 
kill X and start X again.

I do not bother much about this as I simply kill X from the calling console.

Erich
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Re: Xorg doesn't go back correctly to console when closed on FreeBSD 9.0

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 13 April 2012 12:24:04 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Friday, April 13, 2012 a las 11:50:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky 
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Please show your ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xserverrc; mine look like this:

I do not have an .xserverrc. The .xinitrc looks like this without the comments:

#!/bin/sh
xset m 10 3
xmodmap .xmodmaprc
bbkeys &
exec blackbox

and .xmodmaprc

!
! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
!
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L

I did not change this since many years but the behaviour of X changes sometimes.

Erich
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Re: Xorg doesn't go back correctly to console when closed on FreeBSD 9.0

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 13 April 2012 14:18:32 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Friday, April 13, 2012 a las 01:34:53PM +0700, Erich Dollansky 
> escribió:
> 
> > On Friday 13 April 2012 12:24:04 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > > El día Friday, April 13, 2012 a las 11:50:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky 
> > > escribió:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please show your ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xserverrc; mine look like this:
> > 
> > I do not have an .xserverrc. The .xinitrc looks like this without the 
> > comments:
> 
> 
> do create a file ~/.xserverrc like mine; perhaps this help already;

I did but it is too short to see the error. After creating this file, I tried 
to close X and got into the usual problems. It seems that X does not switch 
properly back to console video mode (whatever name it has). I switched then to 
twm and ran into the same problem. Of course, this could have been caused by 
blackbox from the run before.

I checked the log files but could not see something which could be the reason 
for the problem.

If you tell me what I could do, I could try to find the cause of the problem.

Erich
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 13 April 2012 18:44:07 Steffen Daode Nurpmeso wrote:
> Julian H. Stacey wrote [2012-04-13 13:13+0200]:
> > The 1000 year Reich lasted 6.
> 
> 13.
> Not for all, though.

1945 - 1933 gives 12.

Do I have to start a calculator now?

Erich
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Erich Dollansky]

On Friday 13 April 2012 20:56:35 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
> 
Hi,

> > -Original Message-
> > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Erich Dollansky
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:12 AM
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Cc: Julian H. Stacey; Tony; Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Friday 13 April 2012 18:44:07 Steffen Daode Nurpmeso wrote:
> > > Julian H. Stacey wrote [2012-04-13 13:13+0200]:
> > > > The 1000 year Reich lasted 6.
> > >
> > > 13.
> > > Not for all, though.
> > 
> > 1945 - 1933 gives 12.
> > 
> > Do I have to start a calculator now?
> > 
> 
> Its 13 INCLUSIVE. You're calculating exclusive

it also fits better to today's date.

Erich
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 13 April 2012 23:37:16 Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:59:41 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Friday 13 April 2012 20:56:35 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
> > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> > > > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Erich Dollansky
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > > > Cc: Julian H. Stacey; Tony; Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
> > > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
> > > > 
> > > > On Friday 13 April 2012 18:44:07 Steffen Daode Nurpmeso wrote:
> > > > > Julian H. Stacey wrote [2012-04-13 13:13+0200]:
> > > > > > The 1000 year Reich lasted 6.
> > > > >
> > > > > 13.
> > > > > Not for all, though.
> > > > 
> > > > 1945 - 1933 gives 12.
> > > > 
> > > > Do I have to start a calculator now?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Its 13 INCLUSIVE. You're calculating exclusive
> > 
> > it also fits better to today's date.
> 
> Fits even better next Friday! ;-)
> 
oh, yeah, the big birthday bash. Is it organised via facebook?

Erich
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 14 April 2012 07:54:40 Polytropon wrote:
> > > > > Its 13 INCLUSIVE. You're calculating exclusive
> > > > 
> > > > it also fits better to today's date.
> > > 
> > > Fits even better next Friday! ;-)
> > > 
> > oh, yeah, the big birthday bash. Is it organised via facebook?
> 
> Who with a sane mind would press his face into a book? :-)
> 
maybe the same people who wait for next week's big birthday bash?

Erich
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Re: Xorg doesn't go back correctly to console when closed on FreeBSD 9.0

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 14 April 2012 15:53:16 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Friday, April 13, 2012 a las 08:10:09PM +0700, Erich Dollansky 
> escribió:
> 
> > I did but it is too short to see the error. After creating this file, I 
> > tried to close X and got into the usual problems. It seems that X does not 
> > switch properly back to console video mode (whatever name it has). I 
> > switched then to twm and ran into the same problem. Of course, this could 
> > have been caused by blackbox from the run before.
> > 
> > I checked the log files but could not see something which could be the 
> > reason for the problem.
> > 
> > If you tell me what I could do, I could try to find the cause of the 
> > problem.
> 
> Show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log with the hanging X (just go to another alpha
> console or login remotely);
> 
I will copy to the end. 

> check the proc hierarchy in your system, mine is like this:

I cannot do at the moment as some lightning strikes killed all other machines 
here except of this one. I should get 3 new one within the next 2 weeks.

Anyway, I wrote me a small script which killed the Xorg process. Everything was 
normal after this.


X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE amd64 
Current Operating System: FreeBSD AMD620.ovitrap.com 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 
8.3-PRERELEASE #35: Mon Apr  2 16:25:36 WIT 2012 
er...@amd620.ovitrap.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AsusAMD620 amd64
Build Date: 10 April 2012  05:40:30AM
 
Current version of pixman: 0.24.2
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Apr 13 11:44:23 2012
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) |   |-->Device "Card0"
(**) Option "AllowEmptyInput" "true"
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(**) FontPath set to:
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
(**) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
(II) Cannot locate a core pointer device.
(II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device.
(II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable 
AutoAddDevices.
(II) Loader magic: 0x6993e0
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
X.Org Video Driver: 6.0
X.Org XInput driver : 7.0
X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
(--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
(--) using VT number 9

(--) PCI:*(0:0:13:0) 10de:03d6:1043:83a4 NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / 
nForce 630a] rev 162, Mem @ 0xde00/16777216, 0xc000/268435456, 
0xdd00/16777216, BIOS @ 0x/65536
(II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) "dri2" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in 
the config file.
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so

Re: Problems using usb wireless adapter

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

have you tried to unplug the device and put it back in?

Erich

On Sunday 15 April 2012 18:54:20 fake fake wrote:
> I've just got FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE on HP Pavillion dv4.
> When I found the internal wireless adapter (Broadcom BCM4322) is not
> supported, I decided to use the usb wireless adapter (Planex
> GW-USMicroN) which is listed on
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html
> 
> then I configed the several files.
> (I use WEP to connect to the internet.)
> 
> /boot/loader.conf
> if_run_load="YES"
> runfw_load="YES"
> wlan_wep_load="YES"
> 
> /etc/rc.conf
> wlans_run0="wlan0"
> ifconfig_wlan0="DHCP WPA"
> 
> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
> network={
>   ssid="my_ap's_ssid"
>   key_mgmt=NONE
>   wep_key1=my_password
>   wep_tx_keyidx=1
> }
> 
> but, I cannot connect to the internet.
> How to solve this situation?
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Re: Problems using usb wireless adapter

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Sunday 15 April 2012 21:44:11 fake fake wrote:
> Yes, I did.
> Here is the result.
> 
> when it plugged out,
> # ugen2.2:  at usbus2 (disconnected)
> run0: uhub2, port2, addr2 (disconnected)
> 
> when it plugged in again,
> # ugen2.2:  at usbus2
> run0: <1.0> on usbus2
> run0: MAC/BBP RT3370 (rev 0x0201), RF RT3020 (MINO 1T1R), address
> XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
> run0: firmware RT2870 loaded
> wlan0: Ethernet address: XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
> 
> I think driver is working correctly.
> 
looks like.

Let me go the old stuff.

> >>
> >> /boot/loader.conf
> >> if_run_load="YES"
> >> runfw_load="YES"
> >> wlan_wep_load="YES"

I do not have this and it works with the unplugging after a start.
> >>
> >> /etc/rc.conf
> >> wlans_run0="wlan0"
> >> ifconfig_wlan0="DHCP WPA"
> >>

Don't you have to tell here which ssid to use?

I use this one:

wlans_run0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="inet 192.168.x.c netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid abc WPA"

Do you have the default router set? If not, you machine does not know how to 
out.

defaultrouter="192.168.x.v"

> >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >> network={
> >>   ssid="my_ap's_ssid"

If would be careful here with the ' character if it is in the real ssid.

> >>   key_mgmt=NONE
> >>   wep_key1=my_password
> >>   wep_tx_keyidx=1

I do not have this entry here.

Erich
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Re: ia64 vs amd64

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Monday 16 April 2012 20:08:13 Eugen Konkov wrote:
> 
> I have Corei3 540

only the amd64 will run on that CPU. If you have less than 4GB of RAM you could 
also run the i386 version.

> What is the best fit to this processor: ia64 or amd64?
> and what one from those is more stable?

I do not think that people will pay the price tag a ia64 machine just for a bit 
of more fun.

The reasons for running ia64 are very different ones.

Erich
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