Dear Very Helpful and Informative FreeBSD List,
I installed FreeBSD on Friday Night and tried very hard to get it all working.
My initial X problem actually fixed itself (you can imagine my surprise),
however, even with that, our computer is useless as a desktop (or anything
else) without an
On 2006-09-17 12:22, Joel Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Very Helpful and Informative FreeBSD List,
I installed FreeBSD on Friday Night and tried very hard to get
it all working. My initial X problem actually fixed itself
(you can imagine my surprise), however, even with that, our
Dear Very Helpful and Informative FreeBSD List,
I installed FreeBSD on Friday Night and tried very hard to get it all working.
My initial X problem actually fixed itself (you can imagine my surprise),
however, even with that, our computer is useless as a desktop (or anything
else) without an
On Thursday 14 September 2006 01:21, Kevin Brunelle wrote:
As for the GNU tools, yes most sysadmins use some of them (although not
always). I know that BSD tar handles gzip and bzip2 just fine ( -z and -j
respectively). So I know I wouldn't download gtar just for that feature.
In fact, as I
On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
On Thursday 14 September 2006 01:21, Kevin Brunelle wrote:
As for the GNU tools, yes most sysadmins use some of them
(although not
always). I know that BSD tar handles gzip and bzip2 just fine ( -
z and -j
respectively). So I know I
On Thursday 14 September 2006 08:40, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
In fact, as I discovered a few days ago (after all, how often does
one read tar(1)'s manpage?), you only need to use -z and -j when
creating a tar archive.
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 06:16, Jeff Rollin wrote:
I let a lot of BSD comments about Linux go unpunished, but this one has
always got me. BSD had to be *almost totally rewritten* to avoid ATT
licensing issues... added to the fact that I wouldn't be surprised if it's
hard to find a single
If I may comment as someone who knows only that BSD looks better to a newbie,
it looks better because I only have to go to one place to read the FreeBSD
manual. For Linux, there's documentation for all the little parts, and a
community/wiki for any particular distribution, except that's a lot
On 9/13/06, Joel Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I may comment as someone who knows only that BSD looks better to a newbie,
it looks better because I only have to go to one place to read the FreeBSD
manual. For Linux, there's documentation for all the little parts, and a
community/wiki
On 11/09/06, Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-)
Heh. Maybe I ought to have said almost!
Which is to say, apart from the occasional
On 11/09/06, backyard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly.
:-)
Which is to say, apart from the
On 11/09/06, backyard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel
that FreeBSD will never
achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum
building for alternative
OS)
among people with modest technical
--- Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/09/06, backyard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003,
version
4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and
Debian were the simplicity of the installation
and
good manual. The install process
One question I often forget to ask myself is ;
What is my end goal ?
These days, if I want a non Windows desktop
that is quick and easy to install / update I use
this ; www.zenwalk.org [400MB .iso]
For servers, I use FreeBSD :)
Of course, you can use FreeBSD as a desktop
machine too ... but
On 12/09/06, backyard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/09/06, backyard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I first installed FreeBSD, circa 2003,
version
4.9, the two reasons I chose it over Redhat and
Debian were the simplicity of the
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:16, Jeff Rollin wrote:
I'm unconvinced you could take FreeBSD 4 box and run the kernel from 6.1 on
it without changing anything else.
No, but the fact that you upgrade world+kernel in one go helps. FreeBSD also
mantains a good level of back-compatibility. The
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 15:05, Jeff Rollin wrote:
That was my point, that BSD was rewritten from the ground up to avoid ATT
patents. So whilst some might consider BSD real unix, it's really only
emulating V7 with Berkeley extensions.
My understanding was that it was copyright rather than
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 08:46 -0400, Bob Walker wrote:
Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am
going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a
twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS
products. Regards,
Must have missed your rant Bob. You may want to check out
PC-BSDhttp://www.pcbsd.org,
a graphical installer that loads the KDE desktop on completion and rides on
FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p2. If your hardware is supported in FreeBSD then it's
pretty painless. I dropped Windows at my home over 4 months
{expunged the old, typ}
I've only been around since FreeBSD 5.4
myself,
and
found during installs that sysinstall would
get
confused if you changed your mind and went
backwards
through the menus to reconfigure options. it
seems
like the one in 6.1 is a lot better,
Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux
system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to
transition away from Windows
On 11/09/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made
the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux
system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that
On Monday 11 September 2006 05:29, Jeff Rollin wrote:
On 11/09/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made
the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a
Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I am
going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a
twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS
products. Regards,
Bob Walker
Surveys Forecasts, LLC
2323 North Street
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:46:13 -0400, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Thanks to *all* who responded to my whining -- you've been great, and I
am
going to give FreeBSD another try. Apologies to all if I sounded like a
twit... I was just eager to try something new as I have had it with MS
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
installer would be nice
Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical
environment to run a graphical
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
installer would be nice
Perhaps as an option. The
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:32:40 -0400
Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in
driving users away by saying here's everything you need, don't bother
us again. Our limited resources are focused on developing the really
important parts
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200
Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
installer would be nice
Perhaps as an option. The
In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the
most
important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having
both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;) )based installer would be quite nice
and
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote:
Too bad you felt it was that horrific.
In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux
distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use.
I found leaning linux was much harder because there wore
On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote:
In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't the
most
important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think that having
both a ncurses and a GUI (non-ncurses ;)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:51:28 +0200
Alex de Kruijff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
absolutely. but you don't need to install anything to run a graphical
installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical
installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or
In response to Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 2006 Sep 11, Bill Moran wrote:
In response to Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Any other related projects to improve the installer? I *KNOW* it isn't
the most
important part of the system, but every bit counts, and I think
On 9/11/06, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux
system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to
transition away
On 11/09/06, jan gestre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/11/06, Bob Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made
the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux
system. With office suites like
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly. :-)
Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I really don't see
what the
problem is with sysinstall.
Credits: It's highly
From: Alex de Kruijff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Andreas Davour wrote:
Too bad you felt it was that horrific.
In my experience FreeBSD is sometimes a bit harder than modern Linux
distros to install, but are much nicer to maintain and use.
I found leaning
Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never
achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative
OS)
among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple
requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email).
On Monday 11 September 2006 2:12 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never
achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative
OS)
among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple
--- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly.
:-)
Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I
really don't see
what the
--- Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel
that FreeBSD will never
achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum
building for alternative
OS)
among people with modest technical proficiency
and fairly simple
requirements (i.e.,
backyard writes:
--- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly.
:-)
Which is to say, apart from the occasional bug I
really don't see
what
--- Jerold McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
backyard writes:
--- Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Rollin wrote:
Discussions like these leave me lost for
words...
Perhaps, although it seems you recovered quickly.
:-)
Hi,
I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the
decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux
system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to
transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business.
You are correct that FreeBSD is closer with roots to UNIX.
You would have done better to post here first and get some pointers on
installation. The basic install is usually easy on supported hardware. X
and and GUI like gnome, kde, etc are NOT part of the OS. Unlike other OS's
there is no
In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts
on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard
drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed,
but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is
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