Re: Somewhat OT: CVS Question

[Greg Larkin]

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On 5/25/12 11:59 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> Forgive the OT nature of this, but FBSD tends to be a big CVS user,
> so I am hoping someone has an answer for this.  Feel free to reply
> privately if you do not wish to inflict your answer up on the whole
> list...
> 
> Is there a way to checkout a project from a CVS repo *into the
> current directory*?   If I do this:
> 
> cvs co -d .  foo
> 
> Or this:
> 
> cvs co -d ./ foo
> 
> I get this:
> 
> cvs checkout: existing repository /usr/cvs/... does not match 
> /usr/cvs/.../foo cvs checkout: ignoring module waccess
> 
> Ideas?

Hi Tim,

Yes, that's possible, and I do it with the ports tree on my
development machine when I only want to work on a small portion of the
tree, e.g.:

mkdir ~/FreeBSD
cd ~/FreeBSD
cvs co -l -d . ports
cd ports
cvs co -l -d . ports/www
cd www
cvs co -d . ports/www/zend-framework [or just zend-framework because
of the alias in CVSROOT/modules]

The error you're receiving makes me thing something is wrong with your
CVSROOT setting.  Can you show it, as well as the full command line?
The "module waccess" message doesn't make sense with the command line
you provided.

Thank you,
Greg
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Somewhat OT: CVS Question

[Tim Daneliuk]

Forgive the OT nature of this, but FBSD tends to be a big CVS user, so I
am hoping someone has an answer for this.  Feel free to reply privately
if you do not wish to inflict your answer up on the whole list...

Is there a way to checkout a project from a CVS repo *into the current
directory*?   If I do this:

cvs co -d .  foo

Or this:

cvs co -d ./ foo

I get this:

cvs checkout: existing repository /usr/cvs/... does not match /usr/cvs/.../foo
cvs checkout: ignoring module waccess

Ideas?
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Re: USA Anonymous CVS

[Ted Sun]

I have similar issue earlier today.
Then I make it by login first and checkout next.

cvs -d :pserver:anon...@anoncvs.tw.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs login
cvs co src -rRELENG_8_3_0_RELEASE

Best regards,

Ted

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Contractjobs.com - 250,000 Live Searchable Contractor CVs

[Mitchell Wells]

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Re: USA Anonymous CVS

[Chris Rees]

On 17 March 2012 18:05, Lowell Gilbert
 wrote:
> Dan Lists  writes:
>
>>>From http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/anoncvs.html
>>
>> USA: anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs (For ssh, use ssh version
>> 2 and no password is required.)
>>
>> SSH2 HostKey: 2048 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62
>> /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub
>>
>> Example A-2. Using SSH to Check Out the src/ Tree:
>>
>> % cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
>> The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (216.87.78.137)' can't
>> be established.
>> DSA key fingerprint is 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62.
>> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
>> Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
>> known hosts.
>>
>> However, when I acutally issue the command, I get a different DSA key,
>> different IP, and it will not accept any password:
>>
>> # cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
>> The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (96.47.72.116)' can't
>> be established.
>> DSA key fingerprint is 4e:bc:48:a0:e1:27:0a:62:c8:da:45:31:d4:ad:b2:00.
>> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
>> Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
>> known hosts.
>> Password:
>> Password:
>> Password:
>> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
>> cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if 
>> any)
>>
>> Is the USA anonymous CVS server no longer operational?
>
> It's just ssh that isn't working as documented; this may have changed
> for security reasons.
> The pserver method still works, so things aren't completely offline.
> If ssh access is no longer supported, it should be removed from the
> Handbook, but I can't be sure there isn't just a configuration change
> needed.

Also, ssh access works just fine for the other servers.

Chris
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Re: USA Anonymous CVS

[Lowell Gilbert]

Dan Lists  writes:

>>From http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/anoncvs.html
>
> USA: anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs (For ssh, use ssh version
> 2 and no password is required.)
>
> SSH2 HostKey: 2048 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62
> /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub
>
> Example A-2. Using SSH to Check Out the src/ Tree:
>
> % cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
> The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (216.87.78.137)' can't
> be established.
> DSA key fingerprint is 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62.
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
> known hosts.
>
> However, when I acutally issue the command, I get a different DSA key,
> different IP, and it will not accept any password:
>
> # cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
> The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (96.47.72.116)' can't
> be established.
> DSA key fingerprint is 4e:bc:48:a0:e1:27:0a:62:c8:da:45:31:d4:ad:b2:00.
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
> known hosts.
> Password:
> Password:
> Password:
> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
> cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if 
> any)
>
> Is the USA anonymous CVS server no longer operational?

It's just ssh that isn't working as documented; this may have changed
for security reasons.
The pserver method still works, so things aren't completely offline.
If ssh access is no longer supported, it should be removed from the
Handbook, but I can't be sure there isn't just a configuration change
needed. 
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USA Anonymous CVS

[Dan Lists]

>From http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/anoncvs.html

USA: anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs (For ssh, use ssh version
2 and no password is required.)

SSH2 HostKey: 2048 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62
/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub

Example A-2. Using SSH to Check Out the src/ Tree:

% cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (216.87.78.137)' can't
be established.
DSA key fingerprint is 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
known hosts.

However, when I acutally issue the command, I get a different DSA key,
different IP, and it will not accept any password:

# cvs -d anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co src
The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (96.47.72.116)' can't
be established.
DSA key fingerprint is 4e:bc:48:a0:e1:27:0a:62:c8:da:45:31:d4:ad:b2:00.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
known hosts.
Password:
Password:
Password:
Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)

Is the USA anonymous CVS server no longer operational?

Thanks,

Dan
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Regarding CVS eclipse configuration

[gupta nallajalla]

*Hi,

I want to configure CVS in eclipse so can you please help me in this
configuration?
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cvs mirror on 8, 5G dvd? Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap?

[Peter Vereshagin]

Hello.

I think I should correct myself as what I found that way was unexpected, even
after aside from portsnap.

2011/06/15 06:51:32 +0400 Peter Vereshagin  => To 
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
PV> GL> cvs -d :ext:anon...@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs export -D 2010-10-01
PV> GL> -d ports-2010-10-01 ports
PV> GL> 
PV> GL> In this example, I am exporting (no CVS metadata dirs) a full ports tree
PV> GL> as of Oct 1st, 2010 into the directory "ports-2010-10-01".

First of all Thank you very much as it was unobvious to know that from manuals 
like: 

http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.htm

PV> Sure, I know I can do it with (x)VCS.

This one was wrong: ports are available from CVS only. No svn, p4, etc.

PV> But hell yes, having VCS before such a situation to happen is good. "Just 
if we

This one seem insufficient now. I checked out ports from 'anoncvs':

cvs -d anon...@anoncvs.tw.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co ports

and there is no backup for the deleted ports of my interest. I mean for
example I can not get the directory of x11/wmfstatus as it is deleted at this
moment.

I suppose such a download is not the all what I assume it to be: backup of
each and every port's versions till the moment being. So I just

rsync rsync://mirrorsite/pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ports ./

and later I can just 'cvs export' any directory for any date from there,
right? I suppose I'd put it on a double-layer dvd, is it possible to export
from there? It is noted that:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/hubs/mirror-requirements.html

5.4G is sufficient.

Another question wth cvs is: can I get the particular port in its state of
N(=1,2, ...) changes ago? It seems to be possible only to look up particular
version for the particular file and checkout it but not for the directory
(assuming the port is a directory). At the least how to look up the list of
dates when the directory was changed should be great.

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Re: cvs vs. DVD

[Daniel Staal]

--As of June 27, 2011 2:43:38 AM -0700, Bill Tillman is alleged to have 
said:



Call me old-fashioned but with Ethernet cards only costing $5 these days,
what's  holding you back from installing a NIC in the other machine. This
would simplify  all your problems.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

I assume it's policy/security concerns, not technical.  There are still 
reasons to want a machine air-gapped from the Internet, after all...


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Re: cvs vs. DVD

[Bill Tillman]

From: Lars Eighner 
To: wayne mitchell 
Cc: questi...@freebsd.org
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 3:57:50 PM
Subject: Re: cvs vs. DVD

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, wayne mitchell wrote:

> hey,
> be warned, you are dealing with a  'newbie'


Be warned, I don't know the official best practices response.  I'm 
just telling you what I would do^H^Htry in your circumstances.

> i have one machine that has internet access and another that does not
> both machines were installed with FreeBSD_RELEASE_8_1 with a DVD
> i am now using cvsup to upgrade the RELENG_8_1_RELEASE tree
>
> my second machine does not have working ethernet
>
> how do i transfer the updated ports tree to the other machine using
> only storage media (DVD, USB)

This is assuming 1) You haven't crossed a major release number since you
installed from disc on both. 2) you know how to make a dvd from a file
system.  Since you are going from BSD to BSD, you don't have to make ISOs,
but it will do no harm if you do (and might even be good for you).

In the updated machine go to /usr/src/ and make clean.  The official right
way, I think is to use backup to make the file you will write to DVD and
restore on the netdead machine to recreate /usr/src/ from disc. tar + dd or
cp might work. (backup and restore are commands, check them out)

Then on the netdead machine do the make buildworld, make kernel, etc. to
update the machine's system.  The instructions are in /usr/src/UPDATING near
the bottom.

In /usr/ports/ (master machine) use portsclean -CDP. This should clean out
all the working directories and the old versions of packages and
distributions which are no longer necessary to recreate the ports you have
installed.  This is not strictly necessary, but there is no point in
carrying over the deadwood.  If you have a relatively young installation,
on the other hand, this may not save much.

Now you can do whatever you did (backup/restore), dd, etc. with the source
tree to the ports tree.  Then you can update ports on the slave machine, or
hold off. The important thing is for the ports tree itself to be somewhat
in sync with world.

> my guess (hack) is to find all relavent files/data trees and simply
> copy over, then run necessary updates (portsdb, make world...)

Do not mess directly with the ports database (in /var/db/pkg) on either
machine.  Until you actually do some updates in ports, pkgdb, which
deals with installed ports, will not change.

> if that is correct then can you tell where those files are ?

The whole ports tree is in /usr/ports/.  This should include the distfiles
and packages you have installed since you installed from disc.  The
whole source tree is in /usr/src/.  It is possible to install from disc
without installing either of these, but if you have been cvsup'ing or cvs
source and ports on the netlive machine, it certainly has them.  If you did
not install them on the netdead machine, you can install the copies from
the netlive machine without further ado.  You can even delete them from
the netdead machine (if they are there) on the netdead machine, and you
will still have an operable system -- nothing in them is necessary to run.
But if you have the disc space, I suggest you rename (mv) them until you
know your update is successful.  I suggest you go through the mergemaster
both times in rebuilding the system on the netdead machine. It is almost
impossible to keep configuration files sufficiently in sync to make copying
/etc and /usr/local/ect a viable plan (moreover, it would certainly be wrong
to do so if both machines are on a net, local or internet).


> if not then how should i do this ?

I think you are basically on the right track.

This probably will work across major releases and with drastically different
architectures between the machines, but caution on the target machine is in
order.  (Other than cleaning, this process should not involve anything
remotely dangerous to the source machine.)

-- 
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/index.html
8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266

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Call me old-fashioned but with Ethernet cards only costing $5 these days, 
what's 
holding you back from installing a NIC in the other machine. This would 
simplify 
all your problems.
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Re: cvs vs. DVD

[Lars Eighner]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, wayne mitchell wrote:


hey,
be warned, you are dealing with a  'newbie'



Be warned, I don't know the official best practices response.  I'm 
just telling you what I would do^H^Htry in your circumstances.



i have one machine that has internet access and another that does not
both machines were installed with FreeBSD_RELEASE_8_1 with a DVD
i am now using cvsup to upgrade the RELENG_8_1_RELEASE tree

my second machine does not have working ethernet

how do i transfer the updated ports tree to the other machine using
only storage media (DVD, USB)


This is assuming 1) You haven't crossed a major release number since you
installed from disc on both. 2) you know how to make a dvd from a file
system.  Since you are going from BSD to BSD, you don't have to make ISOs,
but it will do no harm if you do (and might even be good for you).

In the updated machine go to /usr/src/ and make clean.  The official right
way, I think is to use backup to make the file you will write to DVD and
restore on the netdead machine to recreate /usr/src/ from disc. tar + dd or
cp might work. (backup and restore are commands, check them out)

Then on the netdead machine do the make buildworld, make kernel, etc. to
update the machine's system.  The instructions are in /usr/src/UPDATING near
the bottom.

In /usr/ports/ (master machine) use portsclean -CDP. This should clean out
all the working directories and the old versions of packages and
distributions which are no longer necessary to recreate the ports you have
installed.  This is not strictly necessary, but there is no point in
carrying over the deadwood.  If you have a relatively young installation,
on the other hand, this may not save much.

Now you can do whatever you did (backup/restore), dd, etc. with the source
tree to the ports tree.  Then you can update ports on the slave machine, or
hold off. The important thing is for the ports tree itself to be somewhat
in sync with world.


my guess (hack) is to find all relavent files/data trees and simply
copy over, then run necessary updates (portsdb, make world...)


Do not mess directly with the ports database (in /var/db/pkg) on either
machine.  Until you actually do some updates in ports, pkgdb, which
deals with installed ports, will not change.


if that is correct then can you tell where those files are ?


The whole ports tree is in /usr/ports/.  This should include the distfiles
and packages you have installed since you installed from disc.  The
whole source tree is in /usr/src/.  It is possible to install from disc
without installing either of these, but if you have been cvsup'ing or cvs
source and ports on the netlive machine, it certainly has them.  If you did
not install them on the netdead machine, you can install the copies from
the netlive machine without further ado.  You can even delete them from
the netdead machine (if they are there) on the netdead machine, and you
will still have an operable system -- nothing in them is necessary to run.
But if you have the disc space, I suggest you rename (mv) them until you
know your update is successful.  I suggest you go through the mergemaster
both times in rebuilding the system on the netdead machine. It is almost
impossible to keep configuration files sufficiently in sync to make copying
/etc and /usr/local/ect a viable plan (moreover, it would certainly be wrong
to do so if both machines are on a net, local or internet).



if not then how should i do this ?


I think you are basically on the right track.

This probably will work across major releases and with drastically different
architectures between the machines, but caution on the target machine is in
order.  (Other than cleaning, this process should not involve anything
remotely dangerous to the source machine.)

--
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/index.html
8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266

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Re: cvs vs. DVD

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/06/2011 19:02, wayne mitchell wrote:
> be warned, you are dealing with a  'newbie'
> i have one machine that has internet access and another that does not
> both machines were installed with FreeBSD_RELEASE_8_1 with a DVD
> i am now using cvsup to upgrade the RELENG_8_1_RELEASE tree
> 
> my second machine does not have working ethernet
> 
> how do i transfer the updated ports tree to the other machine using
> only storage media (DVD, USB)
> 
> my guess (hack) is to find all relavent files/data trees and simply
> copy over, then run necessary updates (portsdb, make world...)
> 
> if that is correct then can you tell where those files are ?

For updating the base system, you need only copy across everything under
/usr/src -- you can then upgrade by building and installing world
+ kernel.  Easiest way to copy that directory tree across is to make a
tarball of it.  Assuming you have a USB stick mounted at /mnt/usb,
then:

 # cd /usr
 # tar -Jcvf /mnt/usb/usr-src.tar.xz src

Then unmount the usb stick, and mount it on the other host.  Extract
the files by:

 # cd /usr
 # mv src src.old   (or rm -rf src if you're feeling over-confident)
 # tar -xvf /mnt/usb/usr-src.tar.xz

How to update your machine by compiling the system sources is well
described in the Handbook, and there are instructions in
/usr/src/UPDATING too.

For updating ports, you can either copy /usr/ports in much the same way
-- assuming you've kept all of the distfiles you're going to need still
in /usr/ports/distfiles.

Or you can create pkg tarballs for any port you have installed on your
connected machine, plus pkgs for all of the dependencies.  First make
sure that everything on your connected machine is up to date:

 # portsnap fetch update   (or csup, or whatever you prefer)
 # portmaster -a

Then make packages of anything you want on the other machine, plus any
dependencies thereof:

 # cd /mnt/usb
 # pkg_create -b -R foobar-1.2.3

Move the USB stick to the other machine and install the pkg, which will
automatically include any dependencies not already installed:

 # pkg_add /mnt/usb/foobar-1.2.3.tbz

This will work equally well for ports you've installed yourself from the
ports tree, or for pkgs installed from the FreeBSD ftp servers[*].

It gets slightly tricky if you want to upgrade stuff via pkgs.  I
believe it should work if you install portmaster on your isolated
machine, and then do:

-- on the connected machine:

 # cd /mnt/usb
 # pkg_create -b -R foobar-1.2.3(as before)
 # cp /usr/ports/INDEX-8 /mnt/usb

-- move the usb stick over to the isolated machine and do:

 # cp /mnt/usb/INDEX-8 /usr/ports/INDEX-8
 # portmaster -PP --local-packagedir=/mnt/usb \
  --packages-local foobar-1.2.3

(Not tested -- but if it works the way I think it should, that will
update foobar-1.2.3 and anything it depends on to the latest available
versions)

Cheers,

Matthew

[*] Verb. Sap.  Mixing up stuff installed from a local ports tree and
stuff installed from the pkg archives frequently leads to version
clashes, wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Unless you know exactly what
you are doing, it's best to stick exclusively to one or other of those
methods.

-- 
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Re: cvs vs. DVD

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, June 26, 2011 a las 07:02:57PM +0100, wayne mitchell escribió:

> hey,
> be warned, you are dealing with a  'newbie'
> i have one machine that has internet access and another that does not
> both machines were installed with FreeBSD_RELEASE_8_1 with a DVD
> i am now using cvsup to upgrade the RELENG_8_1_RELEASE tree
> 
> my second machine does not have working ethernet
> 
> how do i transfer the updated ports tree to the other machine using
> only storage media (DVD, USB)
> 
> my guess (hack) is to find all relavent files/data trees and simply
> copy over, then run necessary updates (portsdb, make world...)
> 
> if that is correct then can you tell where those files are ?
> 
> if not then how should i do this ?

Hey, this is easy (because it is FreeBSD).

# cd /var/db/pkg
# ls > /tmp/pkgs
# cd  (you need some Gbyte of space there)
# mkdir PKGDIR
# cd PKGDIR
# sh
# while read pkgname; do pkg_create -Rnb $pkgname; done < /tmp/pkgs

this will create a binary packages ready for installation of all your
ports and other packages you have installed;

move the result over with DVD/USB and install them with pkg_add(1M);

HIH

matthias
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cvs vs. DVD

[wayne mitchell]

hey,
be warned, you are dealing with a  'newbie'
i have one machine that has internet access and another that does not
both machines were installed with FreeBSD_RELEASE_8_1 with a DVD
i am now using cvsup to upgrade the RELENG_8_1_RELEASE tree

my second machine does not have working ethernet

how do i transfer the updated ports tree to the other machine using
only storage media (DVD, USB)

my guess (hack) is to find all relavent files/data trees and simply
copy over, then run necessary updates (portsdb, make world...)

if that is correct then can you tell where those files are ?

if not then how should i do this ?
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Re: Why are "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 " identical on both stable & standard supfiles

[Duane Hill]

Hello Carmel,

Monday, May 2, 2011, 5:13:41 PM, you wrote:

> Just a quick question. Why are these lines identical "*default
> release=cvs tag=RELENG_8" in both the standard-supfile and the
> stable-supfile on a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 system? Shouldn't they be
> different, and if so, exactly what?

Here, under /usr/share/examples/cvsup they have the correct content.
Is that where you are looking?

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Re: Why are "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 " identical on both stable & standard supfiles

[Mark Felder]

Sounds like an error. stable-supfile should be RELENG_8 and if  
standard-supfile is supposed to be for the corresponding release (8.2) it  
should be RELENG_8_2 which gives you the 8.2 source with any official  
patches already applied to the source.

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Why are "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 " identical on both stable & standard supfiles

[Carmel]

Just a quick question. Why are these lines identical "*default
release=cvs tag=RELENG_8" in both the standard-supfile and the
stable-supfile on a FreeBSD-8.2 amd64 system? Shouldn't they be
different, and if so, exactly what?

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Re: Build World fails on 7-stable with cvs sources

[Adam Vande More]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Martes G Wigglesworth <
mailinglistmem...@mgwigglesworth.net> wrote:

> I am now testing with the same sources tree on three different virtual
> machines to see if it will fail. If it won't, then I will just have to
> accept that one of the other poster's indications that it may be hardware
> related, is the cause, and look at replacing that equipment. So far, two of
> them are still running without error with the same sources tree. (Just
> started the third on another system for good measure.)
>
> I am running them on different host architectures as both a test of the vm,
> and as a test to make sure that a clean install of 7.3-Release will not fail
> upon building world on them.
>
>
> On 11/28/2010 10:14 PM, Michael Eubanks wrote:
>
>> Curious. What does your ``make'' command look like?
>>
> My make command is as follows:
> make buildworld
>
> I actually have the entire process built into a simple shell script which
> runs the commands and throws their output to log files, and then reports
> back to the central "updater" script with any errors at any level of the
> process. Nothing fancy, because I forgot that it was their about a month
> later when I didn't need to update anymore systems.
>

You should follow ***ALL*** the steps on the handbook page on buildworld.
>From what you have stated so far, you have not done that.  If that still
proves unsuccessful, booting off of a USB FreeBSD clean install drive should
allow you to test a buildworld without attempting to run down an elusive
hardware issue.  If it's still broken in that situation, it would give the
hardware problem theory a lot more credence.

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Re: Build World fails on 7-stable with cvs sources

[Michael Eubanks]

On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 19:30 -0500, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:
> Greetings Mickael
> 
> I am now testing with the same sources tree on three different virtual 
> machines to see if it will fail. If it won't, then I will just have to 
> accept that one of the other poster's indications that it may be 
> hardware related, is the cause, and look at replacing that equipment. So 
> far, two of them are still running without error with the same sources 
> tree. (Just started the third on another system for good measure.)
> 
Yes. This is probably dead on. The documentation will tell you the same
thing.

> I am running them on different host architectures as both a test of the 
> vm, and as a test to make sure that a clean install of 7.3-Release will 
> not fail upon building world on them.
> 
> On 11/28/2010 10:14 PM, Michael Eubanks wrote:
> > Curious. What does your ``make'' command look like?
> My make command is as follows:
> make buildworld
> 
The only thing that I would suggest you might try, assuming that there
are some options on the command line or in make.conf, is to remove those
options (e.g., -j, etc.).  This is what I was getting at before.  If
your other builds are successful and all else fails, though, you have a
hardware issue on that machine.

> I actually have the entire process built into a simple shell script 
> which runs the commands and throws their output to log files, and then 
> reports back to the central "updater" script with any errors at any 
> level of the process. Nothing fancy, because I forgot that it was their 
> about a month later when I didn't need to update anymore systems.
> 

-Michael


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Re: Build World fails on 7-stable with cvs sources

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

Greetings Mickael

I am now testing with the same sources tree on three different virtual 
machines to see if it will fail. If it won't, then I will just have to 
accept that one of the other poster's indications that it may be 
hardware related, is the cause, and look at replacing that equipment. So 
far, two of them are still running without error with the same sources 
tree. (Just started the third on another system for good measure.)


I am running them on different host architectures as both a test of the 
vm, and as a test to make sure that a clean install of 7.3-Release will 
not fail upon building world on them.


On 11/28/2010 10:14 PM, Michael Eubanks wrote:

Curious. What does your ``make'' command look like?

My make command is as follows:
make buildworld

I actually have the entire process built into a simple shell script 
which runs the commands and throws their output to log files, and then 
reports back to the central "updater" script with any errors at any 
level of the process. Nothing fancy, because I forgot that it was their 
about a month later when I didn't need to update anymore systems.


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Re: Build World fails on 7-stable with cvs sources

[Michael Eubanks]

On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 03:14 -0500, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:
> Greetings.
> 
> I have cvs'd to the most current 7-stable source tree and have compiled 
> a kernel using these sources.
> However, when I attempt to complete the buildworld process, I keep 
> getting failures in the below-listed areas.
> 
> Does anyone know of an issue with these sources?  I see that this 
> release is now considered "legacy" so I hope I am not at end of life on 
> this source tree.
> 
> The system is just an edge router so I am just updating to the newest 
> stable release due to the assumptions that there may be some fixes 
> included in the sources.
> 
> I have my own patched ipfirewall sources, (don't feel like writing a 
> script for ipfw to run and figure out why it isn't running at boot, 
> etc),however, I have not installed them yet, since I have not 
> patched anything on this test upgrade box, yet.
> 
> I have the full logs from build world and kernel build, if someone would 
> like to see them. (very long, and don't fail until the point listed below)
> 
> The kernel kept failing as well, until I used the old method by hand, in 
> the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf directory.
> 
> That is another question that I would like to ask.
> 
> Why am I able to compile and install a kernel just fine using the old 
> method, however, using the make buildkernel... method fails on some 
> obscure module that I usually don't even have included within the config 
> file?
> 
> gnu/lib/libgomp (buildincludes)
> sed -e 's/@OMP_LOCK_ALIGN@/4/g'  -e 's/@OMP_LOCK_KIND@/4/g'  -e 
> 's/@OMP_LOCK_SIZE@/4/g'  -e 's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_ALIGN@/4/g'  -e 
> 's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_KIND@/8/g'  -e 's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_SIZE@/8/g' < 
> /usr/src/gnu/lib/libgomp/../../../contrib/gcclibs/libgomp/omp.h.in > omp.h
> ===> gnu/lib/libregex (buildincludes)
> sed 's===g' < 
> /usr/src/gnu/lib/libregex/regex.h > regex.h.patched
> ===> gnu/lib/libregex/doc (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libreadline (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history/doc (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libreadline/readline (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/doc (buildincludes)
> ===> gnu/lib/libstdc++ (buildincludes)
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> *** Error code 139
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/gnu.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/gnu.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> 


Curious. What does your ``make'' command look like?



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Build World fails on 7-stable with cvs sources

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

Greetings.

I have cvs'd to the most current 7-stable source tree and have compiled 
a kernel using these sources.
However, when I attempt to complete the buildworld process, I keep 
getting failures in the below-listed areas.


Does anyone know of an issue with these sources?  I see that this 
release is now considered "legacy" so I hope I am not at end of life on 
this source tree.


The system is just an edge router so I am just updating to the newest 
stable release due to the assumptions that there may be some fixes 
included in the sources.


I have my own patched ipfirewall sources, (don't feel like writing a 
script for ipfw to run and figure out why it isn't running at boot, 
etc),however, I have not installed them yet, since I have not 
patched anything on this test upgrade box, yet.


I have the full logs from build world and kernel build, if someone would 
like to see them. (very long, and don't fail until the point listed below)


The kernel kept failing as well, until I used the old method by hand, in 
the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf directory.


That is another question that I would like to ask.

Why am I able to compile and install a kernel just fine using the old 
method, however, using the make buildkernel... method fails on some 
obscure module that I usually don't even have included within the config 
file?


gnu/lib/libgomp (buildincludes)
sed -e 's/@OMP_LOCK_ALIGN@/4/g'  -e 's/@OMP_LOCK_KIND@/4/g'  -e 
's/@OMP_LOCK_SIZE@/4/g'  -e 's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_ALIGN@/4/g'  -e 
's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_KIND@/8/g'  -e 's/@OMP_NEST_LOCK_SIZE@/8/g' < 
/usr/src/gnu/lib/libgomp/../../../contrib/gcclibs/libgomp/omp.h.in > omp.h

===> gnu/lib/libregex (buildincludes)
sed 's===g' < 
/usr/src/gnu/lib/libregex/regex.h > regex.h.patched

===> gnu/lib/libregex/doc (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/history/doc (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/readline (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libreadline/readline/doc (buildincludes)
===> gnu/lib/libstdc++ (buildincludes)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
*** Error code 139

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

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Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile

[krad]

On 16 November 2010 18:45, Chris Rees  wrote:

> On 16 November 2010 18:09,   wrote:
> > I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 /
> > amd64 both have the exact release tag:
> >
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
> >
> > Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each
> supfile
> > respectively?
>
> On my machine, it's not; they're different (and I have RELENG_8_1).
>
> However, if you checkout RELENG_8 then standard-supfile will be for
> RELENG_8 which is the same for STABLE, so I assume you've actually
> checked out RELENG_8, not RELENG_8_1. Were you to checkout RELENG_8_1
> you'd have that tag in standard-supfile.
>
> If you get what I mean... I'm supposed to be a teacher too!
>
> Chris
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there does seem to be a bit of duplication going on here, which could cause
confusion. Maybe we could have a security sup file that has the relevant tag
for the release

# grep -v "#" /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile

*default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/var/db
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
*default delete use-rel-suffix

*default compress

src-all

# grep -v "#" /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile

*default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/var/db
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
*default delete use-rel-suffix

*default compress

src-all
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Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile

[Chris Rees]

On 16 November 2010 18:09,   wrote:
> I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 /
> amd64 both have the exact release tag:
>
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
>
> Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each supfile
> respectively?

On my machine, it's not; they're different (and I have RELENG_8_1).

However, if you checkout RELENG_8 then standard-supfile will be for
RELENG_8 which is the same for STABLE, so I assume you've actually
checked out RELENG_8, not RELENG_8_1. Were you to checkout RELENG_8_1
you'd have that tag in standard-supfile.

If you get what I mean... I'm supposed to be a teacher too!

Chris
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Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile

[Chris Brennan]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:09 PM,  wrote:

> I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 /
> amd64 both have the exact release tag:
>
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
>
> Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each supfile
> respectively?
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IIRC, you could do RELENG_8_1, for ex: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_3
is the tag on my currently running 7.3 box and *default release=cvs
tag=RELENG_8_1 is on my 8.1 box. I didn't notice defaults perse but copied
my working csup-standard file to the new box and updated the tag as
necessary and was off on my merry way.
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Re: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile

[Jason Helfman]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 01:09:30PM -0500, pigskinwhite...@icqmail.com thus 
spake:

I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1
/ amd64 both have the exact release tag:

*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8


From: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvs-tags.html

RELENG_8
The line of development for FreeBSD-8.X, also known as FreeBSD 8-STABLE



Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each
supfile respectively?


Since 8.0 and 8.1 fall under 8.x, I would think this is by design according
to the documentation.

-jgh
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*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8 in both standard-supfile and stable-supfile

[pigskinwhitehat]

I was wondering why both the stable & standard supfiles on FreeBSD-8.1 
/ amd64 both have the exact release tag:


*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8

Shouldn't they be different? What would be the correct tab for each 
supfile respectively?

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Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication

[Ken Smith]

On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 12:13 +0100, Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote:
> There is nothing which prevents mirror sites from providing access to
> the CVS repo via rsync, even if they get it via CVSup...

I went ahead with adding this to ftp2.freebsd.org:

% rsync ftp2.freebsd.org::FreeBSD-CVS/
drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 13:35:40 .
drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 22:09:36 gnats
drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/03 02:34:06 mail
drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/02 21:50:04 ncvs
drwxr-xr-x 512 2010/08/03 00:51:26 www
%
 
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Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication

[Simon L. B. Nielsen]

On 12 Nov 2010, at 09:47, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote:

> Don't take this as flamebait, because I have no intention in starting a war 
> on this particular issue, but as good as cvsup is, this is unfortunately a 
> fairly isolated tool that, from my prospective (which is necessarily biaised 
> and incomplete), does not offer any feature compelling enough to prefer it 
> over rsync in our case. That position is by essence just a personal view, 
> applicable to me only and not to anybody else. Also I have to admit that now 
> that the m3 dependency is gone with csup, it becomes easier to return to it.

The issue is not to remove CVS via rsync - just to remove it from the FTP 
collection where it doesn't belong.

There is nothing which prevents mirror sites from providing access to the CVS 
repo via rsync, even if they get it via CVSup...

If it's useful (IE, any of the primary mirrors requests it) we can probably 
rather easily set up rsync access via cvsup-master. That said, I think rsync 
access is likely not too interesting for most master mirrors as they likely 
provide access to the repo via CVSup already, so they have cvsup installed 
already.

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Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication

[Patrick Bihan-Faou]

Hi,

[...] Regarding the permission of the Attic subdirs in place

> The development/ section of the FTP site is something I hadn't looked


at before so it took me a little time to find what populates it and
investigate a little.  I *think* the issue with the Attic directories
not including world-read permissions was either an issue with a badly
formed chmod(1) done a long time ago or an issue with the mechanism
that populates that portion of the FTP site missing a umask setting
in the script that does it some time back in history (it's there now).
Not all of the Attic directories had the wrong permissions, it seemed
to stop some time in 2007.

I adjusted the permissions on ftp-master so hopefully this issue is
fixed.  However ...



Great news. I'll check various rsync source later and see if the 
situation improves.




We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am
happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN
(or not in a documented way).

Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a
working state ?

The FTP site desperately needs to go on a diet so we're poking around
to see if there is some stuff that can be dropped.  This section of
the site is a candidate for being removed.  As you say the ports are
not available in SVN but I'm curious why you use the content from the
FTP site instead of just using a CVSUP mirror.  Is there some benefit
to it?  We would sort of like to stop providing this as part of the
FTP site if there really isn't any benefit to it over using the
cvsup mirror infrastructure which won't be going away any time soon.



The benefit is organisational to us. We did use cvsup in the past but it 
has been a pain to maintain as all the other external sources we keep in 
sync with use rsync. That combined with the requirement for m3 etc. for 
the sole purpose of syncing the CVS tree when there are alternatives 
(rsync for the freebsd cvs tree and more recently svnsync) made the 
switch to rsync a no brainer (note that this decision was taken long 
before csup came to life).


Don't take this as flamebait, because I have no intention in starting a 
war on this particular issue, but as good as cvsup is, this is 
unfortunately a fairly isolated tool that, from my prospective (which is 
necessarily biaised and incomplete), does not offer any feature 
compelling enough to prefer it over rsync in our case. That position is 
by essence just a personal view, applicable to me only and not to 
anybody else. Also I have to admit that now that the m3 dependency is 
gone with csup, it becomes easier to return to it.


Now if the plan is to eliminate rsync CVS mirroring (and I am in no 
position to criticize such a decision that is very well justified in 
your mail), we will of course adapt and go to one of the supported 
methods for CVS tree mirroring. If this means cvsup only, then we will 
do it without any hard feeling. I already figured that we must be almost 
the only ones to use rsync for CVS tree mirroring (otherwise that issue 
would have been detected and fixed a long time ago), and I don't expect 
(nor demand) the project to maintain a service for just one user, this 
would be ridiculous and unreasonable.


Anyways, thank you very much for taking the time to look at this issue 
and hopefully having fixed it. This is really greatly appreciated.


Best regards,

Patrick.
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Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication

[Ken Smith]

On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 14:45 +0200, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote:

> We use FreeBSD extensively and keep a local mirror of the CVS 
> repository. Up until recently things where working properly with the 
> various servers listed in 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors-rsync.html, but sometime 
> during the summer ftp13.freebsd.org did not respond anymore and since 
> then rsync replication is broken.
> 
> The main issue (besides the removal of ftp13.freebsd.org) is that most 
> rsync sources refuse to replicate the content of the .Attic directories 
> in the CVS tree. This means that performing a check-out on ports using a 
> tag usually won't work as some files will not be there anymore.
> 
> Here are the typical logs I get using most rsync servers:
> 
> rsync: opendir 
> "/3/freebsd-core/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ports/chinese/pcmanx/files/Attic" 
> (in vol) failed: Permission denied (13)
> 
> At this moment the only rsync server that provides an adequate 
> replication of the CVS repository is ftp2.tw.FreeBSD.org.

As others have reported this was caused by the permissions on the
Attic directories not including world read permission.  For sites
where it was working it's actually an indication they're not following
"best practices" for a mirror site.  It's typically a bad idea to have
the thing that allows access to the content of the mirror site running
with the same credentials as what keeps the mirror site up to date.  We
don't use the 'feature' that allow for (pre-staging content that the
world shouldn't have access to for a period of time, allowing the mirror
sites to get fully populated before the release date) but I know of
other projects that do.  The ftp-master machines don't have that in
place because they're not public and they need to allow the blessed
mirrors access to everything (for the purposes of pre-staging, if we
were actually using that feature...).

The development/ section of the FTP site is something I hadn't looked
at before so it took me a little time to find what populates it and
investigate a little.  I *think* the issue with the Attic directories
not including world-read permissions was either an issue with a badly
formed chmod(1) done a long time ago or an issue with the mechanism
that populates that portion of the FTP site missing a umask setting
in the script that does it some time back in history (it's there now).
Not all of the Attic directories had the wrong permissions, it seemed
to stop some time in 2007.

I adjusted the permissions on ftp-master so hopefully this issue is
fixed.  However ...

> We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am 
> happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN 
> (or not in a documented way).
> 
> Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a 
> working state ?

The FTP site desperately needs to go on a diet so we're poking around
to see if there is some stuff that can be dropped.  This section of
the site is a candidate for being removed.  As you say the ports are
not available in SVN but I'm curious why you use the content from the
FTP site instead of just using a CVSUP mirror.  Is there some benefit
to it?  We would sort of like to stop providing this as part of the
FTP site if there really isn't any benefit to it over using the
cvsup mirror infrastructure which won't be going away any time soon.

Thanks.

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Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication

[Patrick Bihan-Faou]

Hi,

We use FreeBSD extensively and keep a local mirror of the CVS 
repository. Up until recently things where working properly with the 
various servers listed in 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors-rsync.html, but sometime 
during the summer ftp13.freebsd.org did not respond anymore and since 
then rsync replication is broken.


The main issue (besides the removal of ftp13.freebsd.org) is that most 
rsync sources refuse to replicate the content of the .Attic directories 
in the CVS tree. This means that performing a check-out on ports using a 
tag usually won't work as some files will not be there anymore.


Here are the typical logs I get using most rsync servers:

rsync: opendir 
"/3/freebsd-core/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ports/chinese/pcmanx/files/Attic" 
(in vol) failed: Permission denied (13)


At this moment the only rsync server that provides an adequate 
replication of the CVS repository is ftp2.tw.FreeBSD.org.


We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am 
happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN 
(or not in a documented way).


Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a 
working state ?



Best regards,

Patrick Bihan-Faou

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Re: Local cvs repository

[Peter Boosten]

On 15 jul 2010, at 14:24, Peter Boosten wrote:

> On 14-7-2010 7:51, Tim Judd wrote:
>> On 7/12/10, Peter Boosten  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I run a local cvs repository for year now, but since a couple of days I
>>> get these on the clients:
>>> 
>>> Server message: Unknown collection "src-all"
>>> Server message: Unknown collection "ports-all"
>> 
>> But you still have your source and ports tree on the clients?
>> 
>> Sometimes these kind of messages are relating to the tag being used on
>> the cvs mirror (your side, not the grand cvsup*.*.freebsd.org)
>> 
>> 
>> Please check the config of your cvsup mirror actions, not just the logs.
> 
> I think I might have found the actual problem: these machines still run
> on 7.2, which went out of support last week...

Nope, that wasn't it, since I have one FB8 machine.
But the base parameter (-b) of cvsupd was pointing to the wrong directory.
Correcting this fixed my problem.

Thanks for your time and apologies for the noise.


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Re: Local cvs repository

[Peter Boosten]

On 14-7-2010 7:51, Tim Judd wrote:
> On 7/12/10, Peter Boosten  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I run a local cvs repository for year now, but since a couple of days I
>> get these on the clients:
>>
>> Server message: Unknown collection "src-all"
>> Server message: Unknown collection "ports-all"
> 
> But you still have your source and ports tree on the clients?
> 
> Sometimes these kind of messages are relating to the tag being used on
> the cvs mirror (your side, not the grand cvsup*.*.freebsd.org)
> 
> 
> Please check the config of your cvsup mirror actions, not just the logs.

I think I might have found the actual problem: these machines still run
on 7.2, which went out of support last week...

Time to upgrade, I guess :-)

Peter

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Re: Local cvs repository

[Tim Judd]

On 7/12/10, Peter Boosten  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I run a local cvs repository for year now, but since a couple of days I
> get these on the clients:
>
> Server message: Unknown collection "src-all"
> Server message: Unknown collection "ports-all"

But you still have your source and ports tree on the clients?

Sometimes these kind of messages are relating to the tag being used on
the cvs mirror (your side, not the grand cvsup*.*.freebsd.org)


Please check the config of your cvsup mirror actions, not just the logs.


>
>
> The result is that neither the source nor the ports will get updated.
>
> The update script on the repository server always ends with 'Finished
> successfully'.
>
> Anyone an idea?
>
> Peter
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Local cvs repository

[Peter Boosten]

Hi all,

I run a local cvs repository for year now, but since a couple of days I
get these on the clients:

Server message: Unknown collection "src-all"
Server message: Unknown collection "ports-all"


The result is that neither the source nor the ports will get updated.

The update script on the repository server always ends with 'Finished
successfully'.

Anyone an idea?

Peter
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Re: csup vs cvs

[Lowell Gilbert]

d...@safeport.com writes:

> A change was MFC'd to the xorg intel driver to include support for the
> new chipsets. I took the fact that I could see the change on the web:
>
>   Date: Sun Apr  4 15:37:47 2010
>   New Revision: 206164
>   URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/206164

That's a subversion checkin.  The web source for what's in the cvs (and
therefore, shortly, cvsup) is cvsweb:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/

>   Log: MFC r205096, r205102
> Add AGP support for Intel Pineview and Ironlake chipsets.
>
> to mean that it would be propogated out to my favored csup server in
> due course. The change was not on cvsup2.FreeBSD.org by 2AM Monday, so
> I got a source tree from a cvs repository my unix guru runs and
> updated using that. I used his because I host it.

Most likely, that tree is checked out via the cvsup protocol, which
means whatever server it came from had the update.  So some of them did,
even if cvsup2.freebsd.org didn't.  When the different servers differ,
you need to talk to the manager of a particular server to find out
what's happening on that one.

By comparing the subversion checkin time to the cvs checkin time, it
looks like the delay from subversion to cvs was negligable, so most
likely the delay is entirely due to cvsup2's update time.  I can't tell
how long that is, because I don't know what time zone your "2AM" is. 

> What I attempted to ask is (1) how are the mirrors updated; and (2),
> is there a particular lag time where the latest changes would have to
> be there? This is not normally an issue for me but I have a laptop
> that will not run X w/o this change.

The documentation project maintains a "hubs" article that covers the
"how" part.  The lag time mostly comes from the frequency with which the
mirrors update; official hubs are recommended to update hourly, but it's
not required.

Note that you could have gotten the change from either the svn URL you
posted, or from the cvs equivalent that I mentioned.  Then you could
have patched it onto your sources directly.  For a single-file change
(as the critical piece of this seems to be), that's the quick way to go.

> I normally do not use cvs because, I am not a developer and my
> learning new things bucket' is pretty full. Hence my [however badly
> worded] question. Again thanks for bearing with me.

cvs is not really *needed* for *anyone* on FreeBSD's base system these
days; the project uses it as a distribution method for the source code
tree, but real development is checked into subversion and (for official
branches) then automatically exported into the cvs tree.  The cvs tree
is distributed via the cvsup protocol to the hubs, and other mirrors can
pick it up from there.  The cvsup protocol (whether implemented in the
cvsup program or csup) is the main way these things are distributed, but
rsync, anonymous cvs, FTP, and probably other methods are supported
optionally (which means some mirrors offer them and others don't).

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Re: csup vs cvs

[doug]

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Lowell Gilbert wrote:


d...@safeport.com writes:


Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I
specifically needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited
until about 8PM and ran cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change
was not there, I waited until Apr 5th, a bit after midnight. When I
still did not pick up the change, I updated from a cvs repository.

My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I
guess). In general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non
developers?.


Your message doesn't really make sense to me; I suspect you're confusing
cvs with cvsup, but I'm not sure.  cvsup and csup are different
implementations of the same functionality, and connect to the same
servers, so they really won't be different (they are, in fact,
interchangeable).  Anonymous CVS access is not widely used, and is
really recommended only for experts.  Different hubs update on different
schedules, but official ones are recommended to update hourly.


First thank you for responding to an obviously badly worded question. I think my 
understanding exceeds my ability to explain my question. So I will be very 
specific about what I wanted.


A change was MFC'd to the xorg intel driver to include support for the new 
chipsets. I took the fact that I could see the change on the web:


  Date: Sun Apr  4 15:37:47 2010
  New Revision: 206164
  URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/206164

  Log: MFC r205096, r205102
Add AGP support for Intel Pineview and Ironlake chipsets.

to mean that it would be propogated out to my favored csup server in due course. 
The change was not on cvsup2.FreeBSD.org by 2AM Monday, so I got a source tree 
from a cvs repository my unix guru runs and updated using that. I used his 
because I host it.


What I attempted to ask is (1) how are the mirrors updated; and (2), is there a 
particular lag time where the latest changes would have to be there? This is not 
normally an issue for me but I have a laptop that will not run X w/o this 
change.


I normally do not use cvs because, I am not a developer and my 'learning new 
things bucket' is pretty full. Hence my [however badly worded] question. Again 
thanks for bearing with me.



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Re: csup vs cvs

[Lowell Gilbert]

d...@safeport.com writes:

> Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I
> specifically needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited
> until about 8PM and ran cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change
> was not there, I waited until Apr 5th, a bit after midnight. When I
> still did not pick up the change, I updated from a cvs repository.
>
> My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I
> guess). In general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non
> developers?.

Your message doesn't really make sense to me; I suspect you're confusing
cvs with cvsup, but I'm not sure.  cvsup and csup are different
implementations of the same functionality, and connect to the same
servers, so they really won't be different (they are, in fact,
interchangeable).  Anonymous CVS access is not widely used, and is
really recommended only for experts.  Different hubs update on different
schedules, but official ones are recommended to update hourly.

Development actually occurs in the subversion (a.k.a. svn) repository
these days, from which it is automatically exported to the cvs
repository (which is also the source for cvsup servers data).  I'm not
aware of non-developer direct access to the svn tree, nor do I know much
about how the subversion data gets merged to cvs.

I've used different cvsup servers over the years, but I've rarely
noticed an update taking more than an hour after it hit cvsweb.  If
you're wondering about a particular hub, you could track down its
manager and ask.  I remember that being public information, but I can't
seem to find it at the moment.


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csup vs cvs

[doug]

Yesterday I was updating an 8.0 stable system to pick up a change I specifically 
needed. The change was MFC'd Apr 4th at 11:38. I waited until about 8PM and ran 
cvs from cvsup2.FreeBSD.org. When the change was not there, I waited until Apr 
5th, a bit after midnight. When I still did not pick up the change, I updated 
from a cvs repository.


My question is how are the mirrors updated (cvsup2 specifically I guess). In 
general is using csup and cvs equivalent processes for non developers?.


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Re: cvs-ports => svn-ports

[Bruce Cran]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:45:51 +0100
Dominic Fandrey  wrote:

> Is there an svn equivalent to the cvs-ports mailing list?

ports are still stored in a cvs repository, unlike src.

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cvs-ports => svn-ports

[Dominic Fandrey]

Is there an svn equivalent to the cvs-ports mailing list?

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Re: Re : cvs authentication

[Alexandre L.]

I don't know what is the problem but I thinking about this thing :
Is this cvsup servup wasn't in synchronization (due to the release of 
8.0-RELEASE) and this server was locked for this reason ?

--- En date de : Ven 27.11.09, Dominic Fandrey  a écrit :

> De: Dominic Fandrey 
> Objet: Re: Re : cvs authentication
> À: "Alexandre L." 
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Vendredi 27 Novembre 2009, 10h59
> Alexandre L. wrote:
> > --- En date de : Jeu 26.11.09, Dominic Fandrey 
> a écrit :
> >> Should the CVS/SVN mirrors really
> >> require authentication?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> --
> >>>>> Running /usr/bin/csup
> >>
> --
> >> Parsing supfile "/etc/csup/sources"
> >> Connecting to cvsup8.de.freebsd.org
> >> Connected to 212.118.165.142
> >> Server software version: SNAP_16_1h
> >> Authentication required by the server and not
> supported by
> >> client
> >> *** Error code 1
> > I haven't set authentification process to sync my
> sources with freebsd cvsup server.
> > Have you try to sync your sources with another cvsup
> server ?
> > You can find the list here : 
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/cvsup.html
> 
> Yes, all other servers work. Still, this one should, too.
> 
> I do not choose the CVS servers I use:
> SUPHOST=             
>   `/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -Qc de`
> 
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Re: Re : cvs authentication

[Dominic Fandrey]

Alexandre L. wrote:
> --- En date de : Jeu 26.11.09, Dominic Fandrey  a écrit 
> :
>> Should the CVS/SVN mirrors really
>> require authentication?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>>>> Running /usr/bin/csup
>> --
>> Parsing supfile "/etc/csup/sources"
>> Connecting to cvsup8.de.freebsd.org
>> Connected to 212.118.165.142
>> Server software version: SNAP_16_1h
>> Authentication required by the server and not supported by
>> client
>> *** Error code 1
> I haven't set authentification process to sync my sources with freebsd cvsup 
> server.
> Have you try to sync your sources with another cvsup server ?
> You can find the list here : 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/cvsup.html

Yes, all other servers work. Still, this one should, too.

I do not choose the CVS servers I use:
SUPHOST=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -Qc de`

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Re : cvs authentication

[Alexandre L.]

I haven't set authentification process to sync my sources with freebsd cvsup 
server.
Have you try to sync your sources with another cvsup server ?
You can find the list here : 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/cvsup.html

--- En date de : Jeu 26.11.09, Dominic Fandrey  a écrit :

> De: Dominic Fandrey 
> Objet: cvs authentication
> À: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2009, 15h39
> Should the CVS/SVN mirrors really
> require authentication?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> >>> Running /usr/bin/csup
> --
> Parsing supfile "/etc/csup/sources"
> Connecting to cvsup8.de.freebsd.org
> Connected to 212.118.165.142
> Server software version: SNAP_16_1h
> Authentication required by the server and not supported by
> client
> *** Error code 1
> 1 error
> *** Error code 2
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> 
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cvs authentication

[Dominic Fandrey]

Should the CVS/SVN mirrors really require authentication?



--
>>> Running /usr/bin/csup
--
Parsing supfile "/etc/csup/sources"
Connecting to cvsup8.de.freebsd.org
Connected to 212.118.165.142
Server software version: SNAP_16_1h
Authentication required by the server and not supported by client
*** Error code 1
1 error
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src.

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Re: cvs tag usage

[Richard Bejtlich]

free...@edvax.de wrote:

> If you are interested in the "bleeding edge" of FreeBSD's development,
> you follow RELENG_7. This will then deliver the -CURRENT branch to you
> with all modifications. It may happen that a -CURRENT of today doesn't
> compile, but tomorrow, it will do. It's considered to be the experimental
> branch where changes can appear and disappear.

Hello,

I think you are confusing RELENG_7 with "." (as the CVS tag says) or HEAD.

RELENG_7 will "deliver" 7-STABLE, not CURRENT.  CURRENT is the "bleeding edge."

Also:

> You follow the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD 7.2 and will always get
> the latest *stable* 7.2 sources, but won't reach 7.3 with this setting.

That's not quite right.  7.3 is just a point along the 7-STABLE path.
For example, if you tracked STABLE via RELENG_7 starting with, say,
FreeBSD 7.1, your system would have run 7.2 at some point, and then
beyond it.  Tracking STABLE isn't like using CVSup or Csup to reach
RELENG_7_2_0 or RELENG_7_2, but you eventually get the 7.2
functionality by tracking RELENG_7.

For example, start with 7.1 from CD:

fbsd71toS# uname -a
FreeBSD fbsd71toS.taosecurity.com 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0:
Thu Jan  1 14:37:25 UTC 2009
r...@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

After Csup to RELENG_7, you get

fbsd71toS# uname -a
FreeBSD fbsd71toS.taosecurity.com 7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0:
Sat Aug 22 23:02:30 EDT 2009
r...@fbsd71tos.taosecurity.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FREEBSD7  i386

As you can see, it's not theoretical -- I ran this test this weekend.  :)

Thank you,

Richard
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:00:09 +0100, David Southwell  wrote:
> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
> 
> RELENG_7_BP
> RELENG_7_2_BP
> RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE
> RELENG_7_2
> 
> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!

The -p2 is appended when you follow RELENG_7_2, which is the security
branch (release branch) of FreeBSD 7.2. You will get ONLY the patches.
For example, when the second patch is applied and you download, compile
and install the OS, uname will give 7.2-RELEASE-p2.

If you follow RELENG_7, you get the stable branch. Here, more than
just the patches are delivered to you when updating the sources. So
you won't get -p2, but something like 7.0-STABLE together with your
compile date. As far as I know, /etc/motd will be updated and then
show 7.2-STABLE-20090101 (the proper date of course).

The -STABLE branch is a bit experimental, allthough it includes those
things that are considered to be running well.

If you are interested in the "bleeding edge" of FreeBSD's development,
you follow RELENG_7. This will then deliver the -CURRENT branch to you
with all modifications. It may happen that a -CURRENT of today doesn't
compile, but tomorrow, it will do. It's considered to be the experimental
branch where changes can appear and disappear.



> To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use:
> 
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
> will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore keep 
> track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??

Exactly. You follow the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD 7.2 and will always get
the latest *stable* 7.2 sources, but won't reach 7.3 with this setting.



> or
> do I need to use something like:
> 
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2

No. As far as I know, you can't update to a specific patchlevel in this
way. But using CVS correctly - don't ask me how to do this :-) - you can
update your system to any point of time in development.



> or
> something else!!

Or else. :-)



> Where can I find some explanation on this?

The handbook mentions it in its comparison between RELEASE and STABLE.



> Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the 
> handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup 
> could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of 
> undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. 

Good idea.



> Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from 
> uname 
> -a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable.

The "problem" is that there are different naming conventions.



> Please do 
> not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question 
> born of ignorance and confusion 

I already had horsehead goulash with sauerkraut, thanks. :-)





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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: cvs tag usage

[David Southwell]

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote:
> >> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE.
> >
> > Well, neither actually.  :)   s/0_2/2_0/  .  But I inferred from the
> > context  -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later
> > -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted
> > for the sake of brevity.  I assumed you also made this inference.
>
Glen

You hit the sweet spot!!

David

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Re: cvs tag usage

[David Southwell]

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote:
> >> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE.
> >
> > Well, neither actually.  :)   s/0_2/2_0/  .  But I inferred from the
> > context  -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later
> > -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted
> > for the sake of brevity.  I assumed you also made this inference.
>
> Agreed, but IMHO, it's better to be precise and not assume too much. :-)
OK guys this has now reached the point where I am again confudes -- here is my 
original posting amended to ensure there is no ambiguity

I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.

I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:

RELENG_7_BP
RELENG_7_2_BP
RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE
RELENG_7_2

But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!


# uname -a

7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 
r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use:

*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore keep 
track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??

or
do I need to use something like:

*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2

or
something else!!

Where can I find some explanation on this?
Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the 
handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup 
could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of 
undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. 

Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from uname 
-a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable. Please do 
not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question 
born of ignorance and confusion 

david

Thanks in advance

David
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Glen Barber]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote:
>>
>> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE.
>
> Well, neither actually.  :)   s/0_2/2_0/  .  But I inferred from the
> context  -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later
> -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted
> for the sake of brevity.  I assumed you also made this inference.
>

Agreed, but IMHO, it's better to be precise and not assume too much. :-)

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Re: cvs tag usage

[b. f.]

On 8/4/09, Glen Barber  wrote:
>>
>>>> _7_2_0_RELEASE
>>>
>>>Should be RELENG.  Don't blindly follow how-tos.
>>>
>>
>> RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag.  Don't make pronouncements if you
>> haven't verified them.
>>
>
> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE.

Well, neither actually.  :)   s/0_2/2_0/  .  But I inferred from the
context  -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later
-- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted
for the sake of brevity.  I assumed you also made this inference.

...

Mel Flynn wrote:
>
>And for developers or interesting parties, one can create cvs diff using
>-rRELENG_7_2_BP -rRELENG_7_2_RELEASE to see how many fixes hit the tree during
>the final release stage.

How many "interesting parties" have you been to, Mel, where such a
listing came in handy? ;)
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Mel Flynn]

On Tuesday 04 August 2009 12:52:54 Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 03:07:20PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell 
wrote:
> > > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
> > >
> > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
> > >
> > > _7_BP
> > > _7_2_BP
> >
> > BP ?
>
> BP = Branch Point.  It is a tag which marks the place where the
> corresponding branch was created.

And for developers or interesting parties, one can create cvs diff using
-rRELENG_7_2_BP -rRELENG_7_2_RELEASE to see how many fixes hit the tree during 
the final release stage.
-- 
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Erik Trulsson]

On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 03:07:20PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote:
> > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
> >
> > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
> >
> > _7_BP
> > _7_2_BP
> 
> BP ?

BP = Branch Point.  It is a tag which marks the place where the
corresponding branch was created.


> 
> > _7_2_0_RELEASE
> 
> Should be RELENG.  Don't blindly follow how-tos.
> 
> > _7_2
> >
> > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
> >
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
> 
> >
> > # uname -a
> >
> > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009
> > r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> >
> > To synchronize src do I use:
> >
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
> > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore keep
> > track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??
> >
> > or
> > do I need to use something like:
> >
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2
> >
> 
> No.  Read the link I posted above.
> 
> > Where can I find some explanation on this?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Glen Barber]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM, b. f. wrote:
> Glen Barber  wrote:
>>On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell 
>>wrote:
>>> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
>>>
>>> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
>>>
>>> _7_BP
>>> _7_2_BP
>>
>>BP ?
>>
>
> It is the "branchpoint" tag, made when a release branch is first created:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html
>

I see.  Noted.

> It is not documented in most places because it is primarily of
> interest to developers.
>
>>> _7_2_0_RELEASE
>>
>>Should be RELENG.  Don't blindly follow how-tos.
>>
>
> RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag.  Don't make pronouncements if you
> haven't verified them.
>

He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE.

>>> _7_2
>>>
>>> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
>>>
>>
>>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
>
> More to the point is the following page in the handbook:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html
>


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Re: cvs tag usage

[b. f.]

Glen Barber  wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote:
>> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
>>
>> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
>>
>> _7_BP
>> _7_2_BP
>
>BP ?
>

It is the "branchpoint" tag, made when a release branch is first created:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html

It is not documented in most places because it is primarily of
interest to developers.

>> _7_2_0_RELEASE
>
>Should be RELENG.  Don't blindly follow how-tos.
>

RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag.  Don't make pronouncements if you
haven't verified them.

>> _7_2
>>
>> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
>>
>
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html

More to the point is the following page in the handbook:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

b.
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Re: cvs tag usage

[Glen Barber]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote:
> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
>
> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
>
> _7_BP
> _7_2_BP

BP ?

> _7_2_0_RELEASE

Should be RELENG.  Don't blindly follow how-tos.

> _7_2
>
> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
>

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html

>
> # uname -a
>
> 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009
> r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> To synchronize src do I use:
>
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
> will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore keep
> track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??
>
> or
> do I need to use something like:
>
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2
>

No.  Read the link I posted above.

> Where can I find some explanation on this?
>
> Thanks in advance
>



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Re: cvs tag usage

[David Southwell]

> David Southwell wrote:
> > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
> >
> > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
> >
> > _7_BP
> > _7_2_BP
> > _7_2_0_RELEASE
> > _7_2
> >
> > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
> >
> >
> > # uname -a
> >
> > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009
> > r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> >
> > To synchronize src do I use:
> >
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
> > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore
> > keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??
>
> Yes. RELENG_7_2 is the security patched update of Release. The -p2 means
> there have been two security patches applied to the source code. The actual
> release (RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE) is static and will never change. The only
> thing that changes with _7_2 is the addition/inclusion of the patches you
> see in the security announcements.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
Thanks for being helpful.. it might be useful if these designations appeared 
somewhere in the documentation-- but I guess there is enough for people to 
do!!! From what you are saying using 
 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2

will work for me

Thanks again

David

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Re: cvs tag usage

[Michael Powell]

David Southwell wrote:

> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.
> 
> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:
> 
> _7_BP
> _7_2_BP
> _7_2_0_RELEASE
> _7_2
> 
> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!
> 
> 
> # uname -a
> 
> 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009
> r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> 
> To synchronize src do I use:
> 
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
> will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore
> keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??
>
 
Yes. RELENG_7_2 is the security patched update of Release. The -p2 means 
there have been two security patches applied to the source code. The actual 
release (RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE) is static and will never change. The only 
thing that changes with _7_2 is the addition/inclusion of the patches you 
see in the security announcements.

-Mike



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cvs tag usage

[David Southwell]

I am confused about the usage of the tag for src.

I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices:

_7_BP
_7_2_BP
_7_2_0_RELEASE
_7_2

But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!!


# uname -a

7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 
r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

To synchronize src do I use:

*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2
will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2  and therefore keep 
track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later??

or
do I need to use something like:

*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2

Where can I find some explanation on this?

Thanks in advance

David
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Re: CVS history access?

[John Nielsen]

On Monday 27 April 2009 03:29:03 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:03:30 -0400, John Nielsen  
wrote:
> > I installed the subversion-freebsd port and pulled in "src" from
> > "head". This lets me do e.g. "svn log -g --xml" locally and get an
> > XML list of commits along the main (head/current) development line
> > going back to 1993.
> >
> > For files changed with each revision I can do "svn diff -c
> > NUM --summarize". Is there a way to get this information integrated
> > with the "svn log" output short of running the command for each
> > revision in the log output?
>
> It's already part of 'svn log --xml' output if you use the -v option.
> When you use -v *and* --xml at the same time, an additional element is
> inserted to each changeset listing all the path changes:
>
>   $ svn log -v --xml -c 191585 file:///home/svn/base
>   
>   
> revision="191585">
>   rpaulo
>   2009-04-27T18:59:40.453027Z
> % 
> %  %kind=""
> %   
> action="M">/projects/mesh11s/sys/net80211/ieee80211_output.c %
> 
>   Append Mesh Configuration IE on probe responses and beacons.
>
>   Sponsored by:   The FreeBSD Foundation
>   
>   
>   
>
> I think the  list of path changes is what you are after :)

Exactly right. Thanks much!

JN

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Re: CVS history access?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:03:30 -0400, John Nielsen  wrote:
> I installed the subversion-freebsd port and pulled in "src" from "head".
> This lets me do e.g. "svn log -g --xml" locally and get an XML list of
> commits along the main (head/current) development line going back to
> 1993.
>
> For files changed with each revision I can do "svn diff -c
> NUM --summarize". Is there a way to get this information integrated with
> the "svn log" output short of running the command for each revision in
> the log output?

It's already part of 'svn log --xml' output if you use the -v option.
When you use -v *and* --xml at the same time, an additional element is
inserted to each changeset listing all the path changes:

  $ svn log -v --xml -c 191585 file:///home/svn/base
  
  
  
  rpaulo
  2009-04-27T18:59:40.453027Z
% 
% /projects/mesh11s/sys/net80211/ieee80211_output.c
% 
  Append Mesh Configuration IE on probe responses and beacons.

  Sponsored by:   The FreeBSD Foundation
  
  
  

I think the  list of path changes is what you are after :)

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Re: CVS history access?

[John Nielsen]

On Monday 27 April 2009 12:39:53 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:23:32 -0400, John Nielsen  
wrote:
> > I'm basically looking for a list of all commits over the past N (>2)
> > years with committer, timestamp, affected file(s) and/or subsystems
> > and possibly diff size information, etc. I don't know anything about
> > the "history" file in particular other than that's what cvs
> > complained about when I tried the "cvs history" commands against
> > anoncvs. It looks like the /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/src
> > ftp path may have what I'm looking for (though it may be scattered
> > through the individual files). I'll probably (try to) set up a local
> > CVS repo and source it from there and see where that gets me. My
> > CVS-fu is weak so I'm still open to pointers.
>
> There are online instructions for mirroring a full CVS copy, so it
> should be relatively easy to do that.  It mostly boils down to setting
> up the necessary disk space somewhere locally, installing one of the
> CVSup ports and configuring a `supfile' like this:
>
> *default host=CHANGE_THIS.freebsd.org
> *default base=/path/to/local/cvs/mirror
> *default prefix=/path/to/local/cvs/mirror
> *default release=cvs
> *default delete use-rel-suffix
> *default compress
>
> cvs-all

Thanks! I had forgotten about the cvs-all target.

[additional helpful info snipped]

> >> We also have a Subversion repository now, that you can use to grab
> >> commit information.  It takes slightly more disk space than the CVS
> >> repository, but subversion can export XML formatted commit logs,
> >> which may be slightly more useful if you plan to automate parts of
> >> the parsing and info-gathering.
> >
> > Yes, I'll definitely be automating the parsing, etc. Is it safe to
> > assume that the cvs2svn migration went successfully? XML logs do
> > sound appealing and aggregated (same time, multiple files) commits
> > would be more useful than per-file. Can I just check everything out
> > from svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/?
>
> The conversion from CVS to Subversion was ``good enough'' from what I
> see in the svn commit logs.  So it may be a good idea to use `svnsync'
> to mirror the /base/ repository locally and take it from there.

I installed the subversion-freebsd port and pulled in "src" from "head". 
This lets me do e.g. "svn log -g --xml" locally and get an XML list of 
commits along the main (head/current) development line going back to 
1993.

For files changed with each revision I can do "svn diff -c 
NUM --summarize". Is there a way to get this information integrated with 
the "svn log" output short of running the command for each revision in 
the log output?

> The instructions for mirroring the Subversion repository are a bit more
> involved, but if you decide to go that way, let me know and I will
> write a short description of how to do it.

I checked out base/head and am in the process of checking out base/stable 
so I can get commit data from -STABLE branches as well. (I'll probably 
figure out when each branch (in CVS terms) was created and then use svn 
log to just get commits after that date for each branch). I don't know 
that I need to mirror the whole SVN repository but at this point I am 
planning on going the SVN route so if you have additional tips they would 
be appreciated. Thanks!

JN
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Re: CVS history access?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:23:32 -0400, John Nielsen  wrote:
> On Saturday 25 April 2009 09:12:50 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:35:34 -0400, John Nielsen 
> wrote:
>> > I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the
>> > FreeBSD src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a
>> > resource-friendly way for me to download some or all of it? Format
>> > isn't too big an issue.
>> >
>> > I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but
>> > get this: cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file:
>> > /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: No such file or directory
>>
>> Do you really want just the `CVSROOT/history' file?  We allow mirroring
>> of the entire repository, which you can then use to extract any sort of
>> historical commit data.  (Well, _almost_ anything.  Some things like
>> repo-copies and renames of raw repository files have been done without
>> any sort of record, so it may be impossible to recover *those*
>> particular bits.)
>
> I'm basically looking for a list of all commits over the past N (>2)
> years with committer, timestamp, affected file(s) and/or subsystems
> and possibly diff size information, etc. I don't know anything about
> the "history" file in particular other than that's what cvs complained
> about when I tried the "cvs history" commands against anoncvs. It
> looks like the /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/src ftp path may
> have what I'm looking for (though it may be scattered through the
> individual files). I'll probably (try to) set up a local CVS repo and
> source it from there and see where that gets me. My CVS-fu is weak so
> I'm still open to pointers.

There are online instructions for mirroring a full CVS copy, so it
should be relatively easy to do that.  It mostly boils down to setting
up the necessary disk space somewhere locally, installing one of the
CVSup ports and configuring a `supfile' like this:

*default host=CHANGE_THIS.freebsd.org
*default base=/path/to/local/cvs/mirror
*default prefix=/path/to/local/cvs/mirror
*default release=cvs
    *default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress

cvs-all

Yo should change `CHANGE_THIS' with the hostname of a CVSup mirror (a
full list can be found in the Handbook), and then point the local CVS
mirror directory from `/path/to/local/cvs/mirror' to the place you will
keep the mirror.

To pull over the CVS mirror files, you can then run:

# cvsup -g -L 2 supfile

Note that this will take quite some time if you are starting from an
empty mirror, and it may be a good idea to rerun cvsup 1-2 times after
it's done, to make sure you have the latest changes -- including any
changes that were committed between the time you started mirroring and
the time the first run was done.

FYI, my local copy of the repository uses around 4 GB today, so you
should plan to keep the mirror on a disk with at least this amount of
space (a few extra GB won't hurt either):

# du -sh /home/ncvs
4.0G/home/ncvs
#

>> We also have a Subversion repository now, that you can use to grab
>> commit information.  It takes slightly more disk space than the CVS
>> repository, but subversion can export XML formatted commit logs, which
>> may be slightly more useful if you plan to automate parts of the
>> parsing and info-gathering.
>
> Yes, I'll definitely be automating the parsing, etc. Is it safe to
> assume that the cvs2svn migration went successfully? XML logs do sound
> appealing and aggregated (same time, multiple files) commits would be
> more useful than per-file. Can I just check everything out from
> svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/?

The conversion from CVS to Subversion was ``good enough'' from what I
see in the svn commit logs.  So it may be a good idea to use `svnsync'
to mirror the /base/ repository locally and take it from there.

The instructions for mirroring the Subversion repository are a bit more
involved, but if you decide to go that way, let me know and I will write
a short description of how to do it.



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Re: CVS history access?

[John Nielsen]

On Saturday 25 April 2009 09:12:50 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:35:34 -0400, John Nielsen  
wrote:
> > I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the
> > FreeBSD src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a
> > resource-friendly way for me to download some or all of it? Format
> > isn't too big an issue.
> >
> > I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but
> > get this: cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file:
> > /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: No such file or directory
>
> Do you really want just the `CVSROOT/history' file?  We allow mirroring
> of the entire repository, which you can then use to extract any sort of
> historical commit data.  (Well, _almost_ anything.  Some things like
> repo-copies and renames of raw repository files have been done without
> any sort of record, so it may be impossible to recover *those*
> particular bits.)

I'm basically looking for a list of all commits over the past N (>2) years 
with committer, timestamp, affected file(s) and/or subsystems and 
possibly diff size information, etc. I don't know anything about 
the "history" file in particular other than that's what cvs complained 
about when I tried the "cvs history" commands against anoncvs. It looks 
like the /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/src ftp path may have what 
I'm looking for (though it may be scattered through the individual 
files). I'll probably (try to) set up a local CVS repo and source it from 
there and see where that gets me. My CVS-fu is weak so I'm still open to 
pointers.

> We also have a Subversion repository now, that you can use to grab
> commit information.  It takes slightly more disk space than the CVS
> repository, but subversion can export XML formatted commit logs, which
> may be slightly more useful if you plan to automate parts of the
> parsing and info-gathering.

Yes, I'll definitely be automating the parsing, etc. Is it safe to assume 
that the cvs2svn migration went successfully? XML logs do sound appealing 
and aggregated (same time, multiple files) commits would be more useful 
than per-file. Can I just check everything out from 
svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/?

Thanks!

JN
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Re: CVS history access?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:35:34 -0400, John Nielsen  wrote:
> I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the
> FreeBSD src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a
> resource-friendly way for me to download some or all of it? Format
> isn't too big an issue.
>
> I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but
> get this: cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file:
> /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: No such file or directory

Do you really want just the `CVSROOT/history' file?  We allow mirroring
of the entire repository, which you can then use to extract any sort of
historical commit data.  (Well, _almost_ anything.  Some things like
repo-copies and renames of raw repository files have been done without
any sort of record, so it may be impossible to recover *those*
particular bits.)

We also have a Subversion repository now, that you can use to grab
commit information.  It takes slightly more disk space than the CVS
repository, but subversion can export XML formatted commit logs, which
may be slightly more useful if you plan to automate parts of the parsing
and info-gathering.



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Re: CVS history access?

[Manolis Kiagias]

John Nielsen wrote:
> I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
> src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
> for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.
>
> I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
> this:
> cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
> No such file or directory
>
> I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
> The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
> more of a direct approach if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JN
>   

It seems history is optional in CVS, and it does not exist (at least
anymore) in the FreeBSD CVS.



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Re: CVS history access?

[Chuck Robey]

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John Nielsen wrote:
> I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
> src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
> for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.
> 
> I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
> this:
> cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
> No such file or directory
> 
> I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
> The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
> more of a direct approach if possible.
>

cvs log  works, but I don't think that history has even been available
on any system I've ever had access to.  There's pretty good info available from
the "cvs log" command ... here's a few lines from "cvs log Makefile" from
usr/src/Makefile:

- 
revision 1.114
date: 2005/12/02 01:17:20;  author: deraadt;  state: Exp;  lines: +2 -2
do not enter lkm
- 
revision 1.113
date: 2005/09/16 12:28:34;  author: jmc;  state: Exp;  lines: +3 -2
use shell-neutral language (in a comment);

from ray lai;
ok krw@
- 
revision 1.112
date: 2005/01/09 20:36:20;  author: espie;  state: Exp;  lines: +12 -282
move cross-stuff into its own file.
okay mickey@, niklas@



> Thanks,
> 
> JN
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CVS history access?

[John Nielsen]

I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.

I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
this:
cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
No such file or directory

I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
more of a direct approach if possible.

Thanks,

JN
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[perryh]

Chuck Robey  wrote:
> per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Chuck Robey  wrote:
> >> But I do need to figure out how to get the subversion archive (not
> >> a particular branch of the archive, the whole kit and kaboodle).
> >
> > devel/svk?  (From a mention last December; I have not tried it.)
>
> Huh.  From reading the port's description file, it seems to be a
> svn lookalike, but with a differing feature list.  Supposely uses
> the same filesystem layout as subversion ...

I got the impression from the 2nd and 3rd non-quote paragraphs here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2008-November/026898.html

that what you want is "a full svk mirror", and since it was being
advocated I presumed that it could be set up by a reasonably simple,
if initially time/bandwidth intensive, mechanism.  This, from
earlier in the same thread, may be useful:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/SubversionPrimer

Again, I have not gotten around to trying any of this.
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Chuck Robey  wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:18:33 -0400, Chuck Robey  wrote:
>>> What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to
>>> svn, what does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking
>>> the sources, I mean the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so,
>>> I can find out how, I just want to know if that's how its done.  If
>>> not, what's the general tool used to track the freebsd archive, so I
>>> can investigate it?
>>
>> Hi Chunk,

Writing when sleepy does that.  I'm sorry :-/

> The ONLY thing I want to get out of this is the cvsup-like capability
> (which I've been using now for 8 years) to update my entire archive
> (svn now, no longer cvs).  Again, emphasizing, it's NOT just a
> checkout, and tags/branches have no meaning at this level.  Something
> like trying to buy chapter 8 of a book: when you buy the book, you get
> ALL the chapters.  When you get the archive, you get ALL the
> tags/branches.

That's what 'svnsync' would get you.  An entire mirror of the full
Subversion repository.

> I *think* maybe you said that svnsync can do this?  I can't find any
> machine IP that is to be used with subversion ... will something like
> cvsup2.us.freebsd.org do for svnsync?  Will svnsync's protocol get me
> the svn archive?  I don't want the cvs archive, so could you help me
> understand how that's selected in this instance?

No, as far as I know there is currently only *one* server who hosts a
publicly visible copy of the repository.  The server is:

svn.freebsd.org

and you would have to pull changes from that server, using svnsync.

> Beyond that, you emphasized that it can't get only a part of an
> archive.  I'm guessing you were referring to grabbing only ports, as
> against both ports and src?

There is no subversion repository for ports, doc or www.  Only the 'src'
repository has switched to Subversion so far.

So if you want doc/, ports/ or www/ you will have to keep using CVsup to
grab repository copies for them.

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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Chuck Robey]

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per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Chuck Robey  wrote:
>> But I do need to figure out how to get the subversion archive (not
>> a particular branch of the archive, the whole kit and kaboodle).
> 
> devel/svk?  (From a mention last December; I have not tried it.)

Huh.  From reading the port's description file, it seems to be a svn lookalike,
but with a differing feature list.  Supposely uses the same filesystem layout as
subversion.  I'll go goole it, maybe there's more to be googled.

I asked a lot more from Giorgios, mainly because I think he misunderstood me.
His writeup WAS fantastic, though, if only I can clear up my questions.
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Chuck Robey]

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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:18:33 -0400, Chuck Robey  wrote:
>> What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to
>> svn, what does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking
>> the sources, I mean the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so,
>> I can find out how, I just want to know if that's how its done.  If
>> not, what's the general tool used to track the freebsd archive, so I
>> can investigate it?
> 
> Hi Chunk,

I seem to be hitting problems, twice now folks have misunderstood me (oh, BTW,
it's Chuck (or chuckr), not Chunk).  I DON'T use cvsup to check out sources.  I
know very well that you *can* do that, but for the last about 8 years, I've
gotten the entire archive, not just a checkout.  While a checkout can certainly,
obviously follow a tag or a branch, it's just as obviously that it CAN'T follow
a tag or branch if you get the entire archive, because the entire archive
contains ALL of the tags/branches, and you need to do your own checkout from
that archive, of the tag or branch you want.

The ONLY thing I want to get out of this is the cvsup-like capability (which
I've been using now for 8 years) to update my entire archive (svn now, no longer
cvs).  Again, emphasizing, it's NOT just a checkout, and tags/branches have no
meaning at this level.  Something like trying to buy chapter 8 of a book: when
you buy the book, you get ALL the chapters.  When you get the archive, you get
ALL the tags/branches.

I *think* maybe you said that svnsync can do this?  I can't find any machine IP
that is to be used with subversion ... will something like cvsup2.us.freebsd.org
do for svnsync?  Will svnsync's  protocol get me the svn archive?  I don't want
the cvs archive, so could you help me understand how that's selected in this
instance?

Beyond that, you emphasized that it can't get only a part of an archive.  I'm
guessing you were referring to grabbing only ports, as against both ports and
src?  I don't know how the svn archive is organized, if there are separate
archive for ports and src, or if they're actually only parts of one archive, but
I do want both.  Also, as I said above, I expect to get ALL tags, all branches,
anything like that.

You ask me NOT to check out what you called a "snapshot" of the archive.  That's
precisely what cvsup was so good at, noticing what the changes were in your copy
of the archives, and only sending those.  hundreds of people kept checkouts of
the entire cvs archive.  Are you telling me that capability is no more?  That we
lose that, in moving from cvs to svn?

You whole email, well, it *seems* to me to be very biased towards thinking that
cvsup is only used to check out sources.  I hope what we have here is a
misunderstanding, I would really dislike losing this capability, of being able
to call up a particular files entire history, whenever I wanted, at no large
processing cost to FreeBSD.

> 
> CVSup does two things:
> 
>   * It can check out copies of all the files in a remote repository,
> using date- and time-based snapshot info, or just CVS tag names.
> 
>   * It can mirror the RCS metadata of a CVS repository.
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[perryh]

Chuck Robey  wrote:
> But I do need to figure out how to get the subversion archive (not
> a particular branch of the archive, the whole kit and kaboodle).

devel/svk?  (From a mention last December; I have not tried it.)
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:05:53 -0300 (ADT), Andrew Hamilton-Wright 
 wrote:
>  o ***Early Adopter Warning***: There has not been (as far as I know)
>a general call for people to move to this type of repository access
>except for committers -- therefore expect rough edges until a
>general announcement is made.

Good point :)

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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:18:33 -0400, Chuck Robey  wrote:
> What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to
> svn, what does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking
> the sources, I mean the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so,
> I can find out how, I just want to know if that's how its done.  If
> not, what's the general tool used to track the freebsd archive, so I
> can investigate it?

Hi Chunk,

CVSup does two things:

  * It can check out copies of all the files in a remote repository,
using date- and time-based snapshot info, or just CVS tag names.

  * It can mirror the RCS metadata of a CVS repository.

These two operations are replaced, in a Subversion world, by the svn(1)
client and a utility called svnsync(1).

The svn(1) client can check out a snapshot of the Subversion repository
using a revision ID, a date, or one of the special tag paths we have in
the Subversion repository.  The syntax for specifying the revision is
slightly different from CVS, but more on that later.

The good thing about svn(1) is that its operation is actually 'safer'
than cvs(1) or CVSup, because a revision is either fully committed into
the remote repository or is isn't.  You can't check out half of a change
from a Subversion repository, because you were unlucky enough to run the
client when only half of a commit had been stored into the repository.

I expect this sort of 'transactional' property of the Subversion tree to
appeal a bit to all the users.  Those who run CURRENT will like the fact
that they won't get half of a commit, spend a few hours chasing down
build problems, and then realize they could have avoided all that by
checking out a full copy.  Even the users who run STABLE will probably
be a bit happy about this sort of transactional behavior of commits,
because it means that in periods of high checkout load (i.e. right after
an important security fix), they know that they either _have_ the change
that fixes the issue or that they _don't_ have it.

Checking out sources:


  Checking out with svn(1) is currently supported by the online
  Subversion repository, which is read-only to everyone and is
  accessible at:

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/

  You can point an svn(1) client there and check out parts of the source
  repository.  Please do *not* check out a full copy of the _entire_
  tree though.  It will contain dozens of branches and several dozens of
  vendor applications that you most certainly _don't_ care about, and it
  will put a huge load on the Subversion server for no useful purpose.

  Before checking out with svn(1) you should take a bit of time to
  browse the repository and see its structure and there each branch
  lives.  There is a web interface for the repository at:

http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/

  This should be a bit friendlier looking than the raw 'svn over http'
  pages of the `http://svn.freebsd.org/base/' URI.

  The branches that are most interesting for checking out source
  snapshots are:

URI   CVS-style name
---

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head/ CURRENT

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/X.Y.Z RELENG_X_Y_Z_RELEASE

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/X.YRELENG_X_Y

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/X  RELENG_X

Examples:

  If you want to check out a copy of `7-STABLE', you can use the
  command:

  % svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/7 stable-7

  This should create a local directory called `stable-7' with the full
  source tree of the CVS branch called `RELENG_7'.

  If you want to check out the security branch `RELENG_7_1', because you
  want to get the security bug-fixes of the 7.1 release, you can use:

 % svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/7.1

  Finally, if you want to check out the sources at the time the release
  of FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE was cut, you can use:

 % svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/7.0.0

Notes:

  Subversion is a bit wasteful with disk space.  A full checkout of the
  `/head' branch takes more than *double* the space of a CVS checkout.
  This may, essentially, mean that on systems with limited disk space it
  may be sensible to stick with CVS checkouts (or NFS mount the `src'
  directory) for now.

  `svn update' is a bit faster than `cvs update'.  For checkout trees
  that have no or very little local changes, it is almost blazingly
  faster than `cvs update'.

Keeping a local repository mirror:
==

There is a tool called `svnsync' that can mirror the entire SVN
repository to a local svn repository copy.  I am not aware of any tool
that can synchronize only *parts* of the repository history th

Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Chuck Robey]

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Andrew Hamilton-Wright wrote:
> 
> Sorry to follow-up my own note, but . . .
> 
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Andrew Wright wrote:
> 
> [ further snippage of previous note ]
> 
>> Strong Caveats:
> 
>> o ***Early Adopter Warning***: There has not been (as far as I know) a
>>   general call for people to move to this type of repository access
>> except
>>   for committers -- therefore expect rough edges until a general
>> announcement
>>   is made.
> 
> I would further urge you to read:
> http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/projects/GUIDELINES.txt?view=markup
> for an overview of the information used by the committers, and will
> further add:
> 
> Even Stronger Caveat:
> 
>  o The "head" revision translates to something like "current" looking
>around in
>http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/
>will show you that there are directories other than "head" from
>which branching is done.  Some perusal of the svn manual and poking
>around in the repository may help you track "current", but there
>isn't anything in place yet to let you track "stable", for instance.

I appreciate the URLs, but I think you're misinterpreting what I was asking.
First, your comment about "isn't anything in place yet to let you track
"stable",", That's not true.  You could do this in cvsup, but seeing as I always
cvsup the complete FreeBSD cvs archive, I would just do a checkout from my
present archive using the stable branch I was interested.  Do a "cvs status -v"
of /usr/src/Makefile to get a complete listing of the names and numbers for all
of the tags and branches you can checkout.  In cvs, such things are sticky, so
following a particular branch is no trick at all.  Of course, clearing sticky
tags/dates/branches that you set is equally easy to do.

I can't figure out why you were telling me that stuff about HEAD and other
branches.  I think you my be wrong is what I *think* you said, you can branch
any directory you want, at all.  You can even branch a branch.  Branches go
against files, and cvs is rather stupid about directories.  That's actually one
of the things I like about svn, it knows about directories.  I just need to know
how to go about grabbing & updating FreeBSD's entire subversion archive.  Once I
grab that archive, I can play at my will, affecting no one else, I think (like 
cvs).

What I was really after was a way to fetch the FreeBSD subversion archive.  I
already have a correct cvs-supfile to use with cvsup, to allow me to do daily
updates of my cvs archive.  If I found out how to get the subversion one
instead, I guess I would stop tracking the cvs archive.  I don't know  if I'd
use something like cvs2svn to convert my present archive, or just fetch the new
archive from scratch, I need to see what's the recommended way to go.

But I do need to figure out how to get the subversion archive (not a particular
branch of the archive, the whole kit and kaboodle).

> 
> A.
> 
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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Andrew Hamilton-Wright]

Sorry to follow-up my own note, but . . .

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Andrew Wright wrote:

[ further snippage of previous note ]


Strong Caveats:



o ***Early Adopter Warning***: There has not been (as far as I know) a
  general call for people to move to this type of repository access except
  for committers -- therefore expect rough edges until a general 
announcement

  is made.


I would further urge you to read:
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/projects/GUIDELINES.txt?view=markup
for an overview of the information used by the committers, and will
further add:

Even Stronger Caveat:

 o The "head" revision translates to something like "current" looking
   around in
   http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/
   will show you that there are directories other than "head" from
   which branching is done.  Some perusal of the svn manual and poking
   around in the repository may help you track "current", but there
   isn't anything in place yet to let you track "stable", for instance.

A.

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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Erik Trulsson]

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 07:05:53AM -0300, Andrew Hamilton-Wright wrote:
> 
> [ snippage of question re: svn and cvs ]
> 
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
> > Andrew Wright wrote:
> >>
> >> The primary advantage of using svn is that the _server_ uses a
> >> different protocol to track objects.
> >
> > I think that's unclear, you can't mean that just having the protocol be
> > different, that's not that much of a win.  Having svn track extra things, 
> > like
> > directories, that I'd think was a win.
> 
> I chose the word protocol poorly.  For "protocol" read "way of
> doing things", or perhaps "algorithm".
> 
> What I was trying to make clear is that the choice of tool between
> cvs and svn is made based on server related criteria.
> 
> 
> 
> > What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to svn, 
> > what
> > does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking the sources, I 
> > mean
> > the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so, I can find out how, I just
> > want to know if that's how its done.  If not, what's the general tool used 
> > to
> > track the freebsd archive, so I can investigate it?
> 
> If you are asking "what is the name of the subversion client, and how
> can I use it?", then the answer is "svn" (which is also the executable
> used for the server, a la cvs with the "pserver" option).  Usage

No, 'svnserve' is normally the executable running on the server.

> instructions are available via:
>   http://subversion.tigris.org
> 
> 
> If you are asking "what can I type to get a readonly copy of the
> repo?", then according to the ROADMAP.txt at:
>   http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/ROADMAP.txt?view=markup
> the answer appears to be:
>   svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head

No, that is not going to get you a copy of the subversion repository, but
just a checked out copy of HEAD.

There is no 'svn' command that will give you a copy of the whole repository.

Personally I have found 'rsync' to be quite useful in replicating a
subversion repository, but that of course requires the server to support it,
which is probably not the case for the FreeBSD repo.


I don't know if there currently is any supported method for ordinary users
to get a copy of the whole FreeBSD subversion repository.  I suspect there
isn't.


> 
> Strong Caveats:
>   o One of the peculiarities of subversion is that if you
> leave off the "head" portion of the URL, you will get _all_ of
> the nodes in the repository -- that is, the history at every point.
> 
>   o As I mentioned earlier, this will produce a newly checked out working
> space that is incompatible with cvsup (or cvs in general).
> 
>   o ***Early Adopter Warning***: There has not been (as far as I know) a
> general call for people to move to this type of repository access except
> for committers -- therefore expect rough edges until a general 
> announcement
> is made.
> 
> A.
> 



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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Andrew Hamilton-Wright]

[ snippage of question re: svn and cvs ]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Chuck Robey wrote:


Andrew Wright wrote:


The primary advantage of using svn is that the _server_ uses a
different protocol to track objects.


I think that's unclear, you can't mean that just having the protocol be
different, that's not that much of a win.  Having svn track extra things, like
directories, that I'd think was a win.


I chose the word protocol poorly.  For "protocol" read "way of
doing things", or perhaps "algorithm".

What I was trying to make clear is that the choice of tool between
cvs and svn is made based on server related criteria.




What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to svn, what
does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking the sources, I mean
the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so, I can find out how, I just
want to know if that's how its done.  If not, what's the general tool used to
track the freebsd archive, so I can investigate it?


If you are asking "what is the name of the subversion client, and how
can I use it?", then the answer is "svn" (which is also the executable
used for the server, a la cvs with the "pserver" option).  Usage
instructions are available via:
http://subversion.tigris.org


If you are asking "what can I type to get a readonly copy of the
repo?", then according to the ROADMAP.txt at:
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/ROADMAP.txt?view=markup
the answer appears to be:
svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head


Strong Caveats:
 o One of the peculiarities of subversion is that if you
   leave off the "head" portion of the URL, you will get _all_ of
   the nodes in the repository -- that is, the history at every point.

 o As I mentioned earlier, this will produce a newly checked out working
   space that is incompatible with cvsup (or cvs in general).

 o ***Early Adopter Warning***: There has not been (as far as I know) a
   general call for people to move to this type of repository access except
   for committers -- therefore expect rough edges until a general announcement
   is made.

A.

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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Chuck Robey]

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> 
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>> I've finally decided that it's way past time that I switched from
>> using cvs for
>> my home archive (currently /home/ncvs) to using subversion.  I'm
>> trying to hunt
>> down a web page that might give a set of rules to help moving things. 
>> I've
> 
> It appears that you may be labouring under the assumption that
> svn is a potential _client_ replacement that will read a CVS repo.

I wasn't laboring under a misapprehension, I asked if they were compatible, I
wasn't trying to say they were.  Thanks, though, for the URL, I wasn't aware of
cvs2svn.

> 
> It doesn't do this.
> 
> You can convert a repository using the tools available at:
> http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/
> but afterwards you are using svn exclusively -- there is no ability
> to mix and match.  After the conversion, both client and server
> tools will change.
> 
> The primary advantage of using svn is that the _server_ uses a
> different protocol to track objects.

I think that's unclear, you can't mean that just having the protocol be
different, that's not that much of a win.  Having svn track extra things, like
directories, that I'd think was a win.

  Directory management, for
> instance, is a track-able change, as opposed to the CVS strategy
> of directory management through side effect.

I'd have said, for cvs, more like directory non-management.  Was nice to simply
fix things, if you didn't have worry about others helping you out, but keeping
history could be a lot more of a problem.  Not impossible, but difficult.  I
used to be a company's release engineer, under cvs, but never svn.  I just don't
know svn a fraction as well as I know cvs.

What I don't know is, I use cvsup all the time, but when I switch to svn, what
does the "cvsup" job of tracking an archive (not tracking the sources, I mean
the archive)?  Does svn do it all itself?  If so, I can find out how, I just
want to know if that's how its done.  If not, what's the general tool used to
track the freebsd archive, so I can investigate it?

> 
> 
>> Stuff like, can I use my present cvsup-fetched /home/ncvs with svn?  I
>> didn't
> 
> No - if you have fetched a directory using cvsup, then it is a CVS
> workspace, and will remain that way.  If the server managing a repo
> is using CVS, you will use a CVS client to access it
> 
> If you are managing a repo you wish to convert to svn, then the
> link above will help you do it.  At the time of such a conversion,
> all currently-checked-out CVS workspaces will be orphaned.
> 
> A.
> 

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Re: going from cvs to svnq

[Andrew Wright]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Chuck Robey wrote:


I've finally decided that it's way past time that I switched from using cvs for
my home archive (currently /home/ncvs) to using subversion.  I'm trying to hunt
down a web page that might give a set of rules to help moving things.  I've


It appears that you may be labouring under the assumption that
svn is a potential _client_ replacement that will read a CVS repo.

It doesn't do this.

You can convert a repository using the tools available at:
http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/
but afterwards you are using svn exclusively -- there is no ability
to mix and match.  After the conversion, both client and server
tools will change.

The primary advantage of using svn is that the _server_ uses a
different protocol to track objects.  Directory management, for
instance, is a track-able change, as opposed to the CVS strategy
of directory management through side effect.



Stuff like, can I use my present cvsup-fetched /home/ncvs with svn?  I didn't


No - if you have fetched a directory using cvsup, then it is a CVS
workspace, and will remain that way.  If the server managing a repo
is using CVS, you will use a CVS client to access it

If you are managing a repo you wish to convert to svn, then the
link above will help you do it.  At the time of such a conversion,
all currently-checked-out CVS workspaces will be orphaned.

A.

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[Chuck Robey]

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I've finally decided that it's way past time that I switched from using cvs for
my home archive (currently /home/ncvs) to using subversion.  I'm trying to hunt
down a web page that might give a set of rules to help moving things.  I've
spent about the last 90 minutes on Google, can't find what I'm after.

I'm NOT asking for answers here, just the URL of what to read, but I'm going to
give a couple of questions, just to you see what I'm after.  I'm not after
answers here, I want to read it myself if it's at all possible.

Stuff like, can I use my present cvsup-fetched /home/ncvs with svn?  I didn't
see any way to check out an svn-specific archive in all the stuff I read, like
the FreeBSD handbook.  Can I use my present set of checkouts, or must I delete
them and do new checkouts with svn?  Are the URLs for cvsup listed in the
handbook still correct (they haven't changed there in years now).

That's it, I'd really like to see if the answers are available to be read in an
FAQ somewhere, but if they're not listed, well then I guess I would appreciate
the answers.
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Re: updated to 7.1 via cvs source, PAE kernel. server unstable

[Kris Kennaway]

matt donovan wrote:

could be due to PAE. since PAE is known not to be very stable.


Not true at all unless you know something I don't.

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Re: updated to 7.1 via cvs source, PAE kernel. server unstable

[Frederique Rijsdijk]

matt donovan schreef:


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, brad davison <
demonichandextensi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Since then, we have had severe server instability after a few hours.  The
server completely locks up requiring a hard boot, then the fsck_ufs runs for
a while.  This is our production mail server, and we've been down off and on
for 2 days.



could be due to PAE. since PAE is known not to be very stable.



First thing I'd try too. Compile a GENERIC kernel and see if that brings 
any improvement.


If it does, perhaps consider running AMD64 in stead of PAE. Alot more 
stable.


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Re: updated to 7.1 via cvs source, PAE kernel. server unstable

[matt donovan]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, brad davison <
demonichandextensi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Hopefully someone can shed some light on my problem.  Over the weekend, we
> upgraded our mailserver that was running like a champ w/ FBSD 7.0 and a PAE
> kernel (8gb RAM).
>
> I didn't use the freebsd-update program, because I read that if you're not
> using a GENERIC kernel, it wont work.
>
> I had changed the standard-supfile like that had RELENG_7_0 to RELENG_7_1
> and ran cvsup.
>
> I followed the handbook for cleaning out the /usr/src/obj directory,
> rebuilt the world and kernel via:
>
> # cd /usr/src# make buildworld# make buildkernel KERNCONF=PAE# make
> installkernel KERNCONF=PAE
>
> then I rebooted into single user mode and performed the:
>
> # mount -a -t ufs# mergemaster -p# cd /usr/src# make installworld#
> mergemaster
>
> When I did the mergemaster, I kept my master.password, hosts, passwd,
> rc.conf, and make.conf.  But for the most part, I 'i' installed the new
> files.
>
> Since then, we have had severe server instability after a few hours.  The
> server completely locks up requiring a hard boot, then the fsck_ufs runs for
> a while.  This is our production mail server, and we've been down off and on
> for 2 days.
>
> I'm in the process of building a replacement and getting back online with
> 7.0 and a GENERIC kernel, but what on Earth could have gone on?  Did I do
> something wrong with using a PAE kernel on 7.1?
>
> I'm in single-user mode again running 'fsck -y' and there are TONS of
> errors on the /usr volume.
>
> The /var/log/messages just shows that the server was restarted, and I'm
> just wondering where to start.
>
>
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could be due to PAE. since PAE is known not to be very stable.
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updated to 7.1 via cvs source, PAE kernel. server unstable

[brad davison]

Hi all,
 
Hopefully someone can shed some light on my problem.  Over the weekend, we 
upgraded our mailserver that was running like a champ w/ FBSD 7.0 and a PAE 
kernel (8gb RAM).
 
I didn't use the freebsd-update program, because I read that if you're not 
using a GENERIC kernel, it wont work.
 
I had changed the standard-supfile like that had RELENG_7_0 to RELENG_7_1 and 
ran cvsup.
 
I followed the handbook for cleaning out the /usr/src/obj directory, rebuilt 
the world and kernel via:
 
# cd /usr/src# make buildworld# make buildkernel KERNCONF=PAE# make 
installkernel KERNCONF=PAE
 
then I rebooted into single user mode and performed the:
 
# mount -a -t ufs# mergemaster -p# cd /usr/src# make installworld# mergemaster
 
When I did the mergemaster, I kept my master.password, hosts, passwd, rc.conf, 
and make.conf.  But for the most part, I 'i' installed the new files.
 
Since then, we have had severe server instability after a few hours.  The 
server completely locks up requiring a hard boot, then the fsck_ufs runs for a 
while.  This is our production mail server, and we've been down off and on for 
2 days.
 
I'm in the process of building a replacement and getting back online with 7.0 
and a GENERIC kernel, but what on Earth could have gone on?  Did I do something 
wrong with using a PAE kernel on 7.1?
 
I'm in single-user mode again running 'fsck -y' and there are TONS of errors on 
the /usr volume.
 
The /var/log/messages just shows that the server was restarted, and I'm just 
wondering where to start.
 
 

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Re: cvs stupid question

[andrew clarke]

On Wed 2008-12-03 16:31:29 UTC+0100, Wojciech Puchar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs
> cvs checkout -rRELENG_7 src
>
> waited over an hour, no files got fetched
>
> what i'm doing wrong?

Looks like the server is down:

$ export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs
$ cvs checkout -rRELENG_7 src
ssh: connect to host anoncvs.FreeBSD.org port 22: Connection refused
cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)

This works:

$ export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs
$ cvs checkout -rRELENG_7 src
The authenticity of host 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org (216.87.78.137)' can't
be established.
DSA key fingerprint is 53:1f:15:a3:72:5c:43:f6:44:0e:6a:e9:bb:f8:01:62.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'anoncvs1.freebsd.org' (DSA) to the list of
known hosts.
cvs checkout: Updating src
U src/COPYRIGHT
U src/LOCKS
U src/MAINTAINERS
U src/Makefile
^Ccvs [checkout aborted]: received interrupt signal
$ Killed by signal 2.
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cvs stupid question

[Wojciech Puchar]

i try

export [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ncvs
cvs checkout -rRELENG_7 src

waited over an hour, no files got fetched

what i'm doing wrong?

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Re: FreeBSD CVS tag

[N. Raghavendra]

At 2008-09-17T10:15:37-04:00, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> The comments in the CVSROOT-src/config file seem to confirm that,
> although I'm not sure where the definition is *really* added.

I missed that config file.  OTOH, there is
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/CVSROOT/options
in support of the tagexpand approach.

> To be (even more) honest, I have a strong desire *not* to be a CVS
> expert.

Indeed :-)  Since switching over to Mercurial, my interest in CVS has
been somewhat cursory, as well.  Anyway, thanks for the response.

Raghu.

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Re: FreeBSD CVS tag

[Lowell Gilbert]

"N. Raghavendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 2008-09-16T14:40:15-04:00, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>
>> The CVSROOT/config file supports "LocalKeyword".
>
> Is it supported in the version of CVS that comes with the base system?
> It didn't work for me with the system CVS.  According to the CVS CVS
> repo at http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/ the LocalKeyword
> mechanism was introduced with CVS 1.12.2.  The system CVS in FreeBSD
> 7-STABLE seems to be 1.11.17.  I think even the tagexpand capability
> comes through FreeBSD patches to that version.

I thought that was how the "FreeBSD" keyword was implemented.
LocalKeyword was widely supported with patches before it was added to
the official CVS development tree...

The comments in the CVSROOT-src/config file seem to confirm that,
although I'm not sure where the definition is *really* added.

I'm too lazy to track it down now, though.  To be (even more) honest,
I have a strong desire *not* to be a CVS expert.
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Re: FreeBSD CVS tag

[N. Raghavendra]

At 2008-09-16T14:40:15-04:00, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> The CVSROOT/config file supports "LocalKeyword".

Is it supported in the version of CVS that comes with the base system?
It didn't work for me with the system CVS.  According to the CVS CVS
repo at http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/ the LocalKeyword
mechanism was introduced with CVS 1.12.2.  The system CVS in FreeBSD
7-STABLE seems to be 1.11.17.  I think even the tagexpand capability
comes through FreeBSD patches to that version.

Raghu.

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Re: FreeBSD CVS tag

[N. Raghavendra]

At 2008-09-15T16:31:16+02:00, Polytropon wrote:

> 1. How is it possible to include a sub-path in the CVS file field, but
>not the absolute path of the file?

Use the `CVSHeader' keyword instead of `Header'.  The CVSHeader
keyword expands to the relative path of the file in the CVS
repository.  See the CVS manual at
http://cvsman.com/cvs-1.12.12/cvs_100.php

> 2. How is it possible to change $Id$ or $Header$ to a custom string,
>let's say the name of a company or a project, by not breaking (!)
>the CVS compatibility (no s/Header/Foobar/).
>
> Example for goal:
>
>   $StupidProject: src/mouse/beep.pl,v 1.2.4 2008/16/32 04:08:16 bob Exp $

CVS checkout `CVSROOT'.  Create a file called `options' in the working
copy of CVSROOT with the following contents:

tag=StupidProject=CVSHeader
tagexpand=iStupidProject

CVS add and commit `options'.  Now, only the `StupidProject' keyword
will be expanded, leaving other keywords unexpanded.  See:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/CVSROOT/options

http://dotat.at/writing/cvs-guidelines.html

Raghu.

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Re: FreeBSD CVS tag

[Lowell Gilbert]

Polytropon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I'm not sure how these are supported in the cvs version shipped with
FreeBSD, but I'm pretty sure the answers are the same, and the
functionality is supported standard in recent versions of CVS.

> My questions:
>
> 1. How is it possible to include a sub-path in the CVS file field, but
>not the absolute path of the file?

I think you configure that with $CVSHeader$ instead of $Header$.  Or
maybe the other way around...

> 2. How is it possible to change $Id$ or $Header$ to a custom string,
>let's say the name of a company or a project, by not breaking (!)
>the CVS compatibility (no s/Header/Foobar/).

The CVSROOT/config file supports "LocalKeyword".


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Re: CVS log

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Sep 14), Walker said:
> Is there a CVS log that is web accessible and allows me to search for
> all changes between two releases (for example, version 7.0 and the
> upcoming 7.1)?

http://ftp.cz.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-cvs/main/CVSROOT/commitlogs/ (and
some of the other regional FreeBSD sites) has all the commit entries. 
7.0 was released in late February, so if you look at all the files
between then and now, only looking at things committed to the RELENG_7
branch, you'll have your changes.

If you install the subversion port, the command 

svn log -v -r '{2008-2-27}:HEAD' svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/7/

will print all commits to the RELENG_7 branch between then and now.

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CVS log

[Walker]

Is there a CVS log that is web accessible and allows me to search for
all changes between two releases (for example, version 7.0 and the
upcoming 7.1)?

Thank you.
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Re: ataidle - causing apache & cvs timeouts

[Wojciech Puchar]

I'm running ataidle on my personal server to save electricity.


saving your drive instead of electricity is much more economic.
all drives prefers running in stable environment - like being up 24h/day.

average drive takes <10Watts , so it's <90kWh/year.
in Poland it's about 30PLN/year, assuming your drive is down half time you 
will save 15PLN/year which is about six US dollars :)


much less that increased chance of drive failure.
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Re: ataidle - causing apache & cvs timeouts

[Kris Kennaway]

Steve Franks wrote:

I'm running ataidle on my personal server to save electricity.
However, every time it has to spin up a drive whatever I'm accessing
(apache, cvs, etc) gives an error instead of waiting for the disk.  If
I then access it again after a couple seconds once the disk is active
it works fine.  Any idea how to fix this?

Relevant parts of dmesg:

ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=640790375
ad7: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=640790375
ad7: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 timed out LBA=640790375


Hack the code to increase the timeout or number of retries.  Evidently 
your drive is taking too long to spin up when powered down.


Kris

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