Re: RME audio card user new to FreeBSD
In article 1353768334.2641.21.camel@q you write: Thank you! You're welcome! On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 15:14 +0100, Juergen Lock wrote: Don't want to try 9.1RC3? I thought it would be better to start with something stable as a newbie and now burning already is in progress. Well I don't think there'll be many changes from RC3 to release, and you can use freebsd-update to get to -release after it's out anyway. (I think you can also back it up, but make sure you don't restore the slice table in the mbr too if you add the bsd slice from bsdinstall, only the actual bootcode.) I backup the first 512 bytes: dd if=/dev/sda of=MBR_sda-$BACKUP_NAME_ADD bs=512 count=1 So I should restore from byte 0 to byte 439 only if a restore should be needed? That does sound correct. (tho I haven't verified the exact number 439.) I assume that there's also a way to recover a broken partition table with BSD information if needed and no backup should be available? There is sysutils/scan_ffs in ports tho I didn't have to try it yet. HTH, :) Juergen PS: I have Cc'd the freebsd-questions list as this no longer really is a multimedia topic... (Yes I should have done that earlier, sorry.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On 21 June 2012 04:24, Fred Morcos fred.mor...@gmail.com wrote: Introduction and background q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? To an extent. It is currently possible to use only packages, but they tend to be out of date and upgrading is non-easy without a third party tool (such as portmaster or portupgrade). There is currently active work to fix these issues in a project called pkgng. This will likely become the default in the next couple of months. q) Where does the FreeBSD project stand on this matter? From what I noticed is that the base system seems to adhere to the tranditional flat text files for configuration and simple tools that do a good job, leaving it up to the user to combine those small tools to create larger, more complex ones (a UNIX inheritance). FreeBSD tends to be conservative. The project won't implement a complex daemon without clear benefits and specific discussion on the pros and cons. q) Is a FreeBSD stable base system with current high-level components possible? Will it avoid the issues I experienced on Linux-based systems? Generally, yes. There will likely be some adjustment period as you learn how FreeBSD works, but most people have few problems. q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? Yes. Most people call it SU+J ;). Don't use it for an SSD though q) Does ZFS make sense on a laptop? Any advantages of using it over USF with J+SU? I am not interested in any striping or mirroring on the laptops, but the compression features is very attractive for the HDDs in the first laptop. ZFS is ram hog. How much ram does your laptop have? q) The second laptop has an SSD, would UFS with/without J and with/without SU or ZFS make more sense for it? Make sure to enable TRIM support if your SSD supports it. q) Can I live with a desktop environment (Gnome or KDE) and desktop applications (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc) by relying only on packages? Sort of. With pkgng this will become a lot easier. If you are currently willing to deal with out of date packages until pkgng becomes default (or want to work with non-default technology now) it will be possible. q) Does the NVIDIA binary driver work reliably? I would like to hear personal experiences with that. Yes. This has never been the cause of any problem for me q) Does the bsdinstall align partitions to device blocks by default for optimal speed? If not, I have found that I can use gpart with -a and -b which will require me to calculate the start and end offsets of each partition manually. Is there a tool that can automatically do that for me? You said you had an SSD: it doesn't matter. q) Adding tmpmfs=YES to /etc/rc.conf is analogous to a tmpfs /tmp on Linux-based systems, correct? Yes. Any other directories that might make sense to have as an mfs (ie, in /var)? Don't use tmpfs for anything in /var q) Is there a place where all sysctl variables are documented? It occurred to me when I was trying to find the memory usage on my system but `sysctl -a | grep mem' shows a whole bunch of stuff. You can try sysctl -ad but most of the systls are either documented in man pages or not at all. :( q) How can I set proxy settings system-wide? Same for PACKAGESITE (for the pkg_* tools), how can I set a mirror system-wide? /etc/profile? Same as any other unix system. It depends on what shell you use. q) I noticed all file/data-sizes are in bytes (ls, dd, etc), is there a way to change that system-wide to be in human-readable format? usually adding -h (for human) helps. Also try setting BLOCKSIZE. each program might have some more explanation in the man page. System To assess my understanding, the system is split into kernel, base, documentation, games, lib32 (on 64-bit systems) and ports. This distinction is rarely used. The only place that cares for these differences is the installer. There is another split between base and ports where base includes everything previously mentioned minus ports. This is the one that matters Now, there are 3 branches of the base system: RELEASE, STABLE and CURRENT. RELEASE means 9.0 and stays that way until 10.0 is released. STABLE means 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, etc. CURRENT means trunk in SVN terms. Is all that correct? This is incorrect. RELEASE are all releases: There is 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, etc. STABLE is a misnomer: it is a *development* branch but the ABI / KPI is kept stable. CURRENT is HEAD and where new commits go before being MFCed or Merged From Current to -stable. Releases are branched from -STABLE. -STABLE is branched from -HEAD. Also, when somewhere is mentioned `make world', this means to rebuild all installed ports which doesn't include base, I assume? make world is always wrong. make buildworld is closer. In source land world is everything
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On 22/06/2012 18:40, Eitan Adler wrote: q) Is there a place where all sysctl variables are documented? It occurred to me when I was trying to find the memory usage on my system but `sysctl -a | grep mem' shows a whole bunch of stuff. You can try sysctl -ad but most of the systls are either documented in man pages or not at all. :( It would be a really handy thing if the output of 'sysctl -d' told you what man page to refer to for more information. A neat little project but pretty boring to implement. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Jun 22, 2012 10:42 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 21 June 2012 04:24, Fred Morcos fred.mor...@gmail.com wrote: Introduction and background q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? To an extent. It is currently possible to use only packages, but they tend to be out of date and upgrading is non-easy without a third party tool (such as portmaster or portupgrade). There is currently active work to fix these issues in a project called pkgng. This will likely become the default in the next couple of months. q) Where does the FreeBSD project stand on this matter? From what I noticed is that the base system seems to adhere to the tranditional flat text files for configuration and simple tools that do a good job, leaving it up to the user to combine those small tools to create larger, more complex ones (a UNIX inheritance). FreeBSD tends to be conservative. The project won't implement a complex daemon without clear benefits and specific discussion on the pros and cons. q) Is a FreeBSD stable base system with current high-level components possible? Will it avoid the issues I experienced on Linux-based systems? Generally, yes. There will likely be some adjustment period as you learn how FreeBSD works, but most people have few problems. q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? Yes. Most people call it SU+J ;). Don't use it for an SSD though q) Does ZFS make sense on a laptop? Any advantages of using it over USF with J+SU? I am not interested in any striping or mirroring on the laptops, but the compression features is very attractive for the HDDs in the first laptop. ZFS is ram hog. How much ram does your laptop have? q) The second laptop has an SSD, would UFS with/without J and with/without SU or ZFS make more sense for it? Make sure to enable TRIM support if your SSD supports it. q) Can I live with a desktop environment (Gnome or KDE) and desktop applications (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc) by relying only on packages? Sort of. With pkgng this will become a lot easier. If you are currently willing to deal with out of date packages until pkgng becomes default (or want to work with non-default technology now) it will be possible. q) Does the NVIDIA binary driver work reliably? I would like to hear personal experiences with that. Yes. This has never been the cause of any problem for me q) Does the bsdinstall align partitions to device blocks by default for optimal speed? If not, I have found that I can use gpart with -a and -b which will require me to calculate the start and end offsets of each partition manually. Is there a tool that can automatically do that for me? You said you had an SSD: it doesn't matter. q) Adding tmpmfs=YES to /etc/rc.conf is analogous to a tmpfs /tmp on Linux-based systems, correct? Yes. Any other directories that might make sense to have as an mfs (ie, in /var)? Don't use tmpfs for anything in /var q) Is there a place where all sysctl variables are documented? It occurred to me when I was trying to find the memory usage on my system but `sysctl -a | grep mem' shows a whole bunch of stuff. You can try sysctl -ad but most of the systls are either documented in man pages or not at all. :( q) How can I set proxy settings system-wide? Same for PACKAGESITE (for the pkg_* tools), how can I set a mirror system-wide? /etc/profile? Same as any other unix system. It depends on what shell you use. q) I noticed all file/data-sizes are in bytes (ls, dd, etc), is there a way to change that system-wide to be in human-readable format? usually adding -h (for human) helps. Also try setting BLOCKSIZE. each program might have some more explanation in the man page. System To assess my understanding, the system is split into kernel, base, documentation, games, lib32 (on 64-bit systems) and ports. This distinction is rarely used. The only place that cares for these differences is the installer. There is another split between base and ports where base includes everything previously mentioned minus ports. This is the one that matters Now, there are 3 branches of the base system: RELEASE, STABLE and CURRENT. RELEASE means 9.0 and stays that way until 10.0 is released. STABLE means 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, etc. CURRENT means trunk in SVN terms. Is all that correct? This is incorrect. RELEASE are all releases: There is 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, etc. STABLE is a misnomer: it is a *development* branch but the ABI / KPI is kept stable. CURRENT is HEAD and where new commits go before being MFCed or Merged From Current to -stable. Releases are branched from -STABLE. -STABLE is branched from -HEAD. Also, when somewhere is mentioned `make world', this means to
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On 22 June 2012 11:44, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 22/06/2012 18:40, Eitan Adler wrote: q) Is there a place where all sysctl variables are documented? It occurred to me when I was trying to find the memory usage on my system but `sysctl -a | grep mem' shows a whole bunch of stuff. You can try sysctl -ad but most of the systls are either documented in man pages or not at all. :( It would be a really handy thing if the output of 'sysctl -d' told you what man page to refer to for more information. A neat little project but pretty boring to implement. Agreed. I don't have the time to do this directly, but I'm willing to commit patches that do this. -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 22 June 2012 11:44, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 22/06/2012 18:40, Eitan Adler wrote: q) Is there a place where all sysctl variables are documented? It occurred to me when I was trying to find the memory usage on my system but `sysctl -a | grep mem' shows a whole bunch of stuff. You can try sysctl -ad but most of the systls are either documented in man pages or not at all. :( It would be a really handy thing if the output of 'sysctl -d' told you what man page to refer to for more information. A neat little project but pretty boring to implement. Agreed. I don't have the time to do this directly, but I'm willing to commit patches that do this. -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org that sounds great, also, for the moment you can try grep in /usr/src and usually find what you are looking for there. Usually the source code is well-documented, and you can see which switches do what. an idea... Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is the place I always look first. and third - manuals. They are in sync with system and actually VERY useful. while i was still (long time ago) using linux most common manual was like this manual is outdated. Use texinfo documentation. and texinfo docs was often outdated too. Today it is most probably look at wikipedia ;) Of course i means FreeBSD base system, ports are not part of FreeBSD and quality varies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I will go with a single thread. I will also try to keep it as short as possible. Please note that it is not my intention to start a flame-war against anyone or any project. I am stating my experiences, the goals I would like to achieve and some questions I have. Suggestions and directions (to put me on track) are greatly welcome and appreciated. Questions will be marked with a q) at the beginning of the line. Introduction and background I have been using GNU/Linux for quite a while and I am most comfortable with Archlinux. The reason I like it is it's simplicity from the ground up without wasting too much time on unimportant details (unless you want to). Another strong point is that it provides binary packages by default, user-building of packages if you want to, and the same level of customization you can achieve with - say - Gentoo Linux. FreeBSD seems to provide that. I learned over the years that (re-)compilation of packages is not something I want to do regularly, but something I would like to do only when I need and want to (ie, to strip out or add a certain compile-time feature from/to a package). I also learned that the performance gains of tuning compiler flags for a certain CPU are not that drastic for a desktop/laptop/workstation machine workflow and that this category of computing is mostly bound by IO speed (especially with HDDs). q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? What set me off, and got me tired of dealing with Linux-based systems is a set of patterns that have been repeating over for some years now. Generally: 1. Too often, core system components break (especially with every Linux kernel release). 1. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes until my webcam worked, dealing with v4l, gstreamer and cheese. 2. The USB3 port in my laptop used to work as USB2 (never as USB3), not anymore, it's now completely useless and doesn't react to anything. 2. Sudden drastic changes that are deviating from simplicity. 1. The sudden flood of daemons that are designed to do everything for me, without giving me much say in the matter. My computer is supposed to help me, not decide for me or replace me. 2. Those daemons are hard to get rid of and are tightly integrated into higher-level components in the stack (ie, into the desktop environment). 3. Those daemons are increasingly hard and obscure to configure (ie, huge XML files, complex hierarchies, etc). 3. Due to having to run and interact with each other all the time, those daemons are sucking the life out of my laptop battery (according to powertop). 4. Probably other frustrations that I have forgotten about. 5. I think many of the developers of those components are trying to reach a Mac-like experience? I am not against that in any way, but it needs to be working well. Those are dbus, hal, udev, udisks, upower, pulseaudio, systemd, consolekit and policykit. I am aware that those solutions are there to solve complex problems (thus their inherent complexity) and that many bright people with a lot of experience have thought about them and worked on those projects. My frustration is that those solutions are: 1. At the cost of making simple tasks more complex. 2. Replacing or conflicting with the previously existing solution. 3. Sometimes very unstable and unusable. q) Where does the FreeBSD project stand on this matter? From what I noticed is that the base system seems to adhere to the tranditional flat text files for configuration and simple tools that do a good job, leaving it up to the user to combine those small tools to create larger, more complex ones (a UNIX inheritance). q) Is a FreeBSD stable base system with current high-level components possible? Will it avoid the issues I experienced on Linux-based systems? My goal I
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I will go with a single thread. I will also try to keep it as short as possible. Please note that it is not my intention to start a flame-war against anyone or any project. I am stating my experiences, the goals i - in reply - just told you my experiences with linux which was actually my first unix-like OS. I learned over the years that (re-)compilation of packages is not something I want to do regularly, but something I would like to do only when I need and want to (ie, to strip out or add a certain compile-time feature from/to a package). I also learned that the performance gains of tuning compiler flags for a certain CPU are not that drastic for a desktop/laptop/workstation machine workflow and that this category of computing is mostly bound by IO speed (especially with HDDs). true. anyway if you want anything else that default compile options you have to rebuild. q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In you may use all binary packages. You may even do pkg_add ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/.../packagename.tbz and it works, and will fetch dependencies too if needed. you may use source builds, or mix of both. you just do portsnap fetch portsnap update to get ports tree up to date. other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? it depends on ports. Some are easy to deal with some are not. 1. Too often, core system components break (especially with every Linux kernel release). 1. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes until my webcam worked, dealing with v4l, gstreamer and cheese. 2. The USB3 port in my laptop used to work as USB2 (never as USB3), not anymore, it's now completely useless and doesn't react to anything. This programs are not part of FreeBSD, just as they are not part of linux (linux is kernel). webcamd, gstreamer etc.. are still the same programs no matter if you compile then under linux and freebsd. as for point 2 it would probably be better with FreeBSD :) 2. Sudden drastic changes that are deviating from simplicity. In that respect FreeBSD is 100 times better. But still - PORTS are not FreeBSD. There are tens of thousands of them. Most are the same programs that run on linux, just packaging differ. And nobody can be sure something will not get f...d up. 1. The sudden flood of daemons that are designed to do everything for me, without giving me much say in the matter. My computer is supposed to help me, not decide for me or replace me. FreeBSD starts only inetd and cron by default. As for me it is already too much in /etc/crontab :) 2. Those daemons are hard to get rid of and are tightly integrated into higher-level components in the stack (ie, into the desktop environment). No such a problem under FreeBSD. But when compiling xorg-server from ports i recommend turning off SUID and HAL options. 3. Those daemons are increasingly hard and obscure to configure (ie, huge XML files, complex hierarchies, etc). FreeBSD base system is not like that. But still - if you use the same thing that in linux it would be the same. Anyway human have brain and can use it. So prepare your environment that would fit your needs and nothing else. 3. Due to having to run and interact with each other all the time, those daemons are sucking the life out of my laptop battery (according to powertop). No such problem on my laptop. It runs 1.5 hours longer than official specs. enable powerd in /etc/rc.conf - powerd is a part of base system, not addon. Works great. 4. Probably other frustrations that I have forgotten about. You should not forgot them so you will not ever want to go back to linux. 5. I think many of the developers of those components are trying to reach a Mac-like experience? I am not against that in any way, but it needs to be working well. I don't really know what linux community want to achieve. For my observation they wanted to compete with microsoft windows. And they exceeded the target - it's even more messy and uncontrollable. Those are dbus, hal, udev, udisks, upower, pulseaudio, systemd, consolekit and policykit. You do not need any of them under FreeBSD. It is useful to have dbus daemon running for whole machine in many use cases but not really needed. I am aware that those solutions are there to solve complex problems which was first created. I have two laptops (Asus N73JQ, Asus U36S) which I use as work machines. Power efficiency is very important, efficient disk access too. Suspend to ram and hiberation would be nice to have but are not utterly important. q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? If you have
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Fred Morcos writes: q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? Mostly, yes. There are down-sides, but if you're building a client where specific functionality is not needed and performance is not crucial - yes. 1. Too often, core system components break (especially with every Linux kernel release). 1. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes until my webcam worked, dealing with v4l, gstreamer and cheese. 2. The USB3 port in my laptop used to work as USB2 (never as USB3), not anymore, it's now completely useless and doesn't react to anything. To work in FreeBSD-land, you're going to need to understand the difference between the system and the ports. Also, the difference between CURRENT and STABLE releases. See the Handbook for more information. 2. Sudden drastic changes that are deviating from simplicity. 1. The sudden flood of daemons that are designed to do everything for me, without giving me much say in the matter. My computer is supposed to help me, not decide for me or replace me. Not much of this. 2. Those daemons are hard to get rid of and are tightly integrated into higher-level components in the stack (ie, into the desktop environment). Those are dbus, hal, udev, udisks, upower, pulseaudio, systemd, consolekit and policykit. Hal and dbus are used by a fair number of programs; many can be compiled not to used them, with varying consequences. As for the others: on a system with 882 ports installed, 44 use pulseaudio, 61 use consolekit and 62 use policykit. (Porbably a high degree of overlap there.) 5. I think many of the developers of those components are trying to reach a Mac-like experience? I am not against that in any way, but it needs to be working well. Everything is a work in progress. :-) q) Does ZFS make sense on a laptop? Any advantages of using it over USF with J+SU? I am not interested in any striping or mirroring on the laptops, but the compression features is very attractive for the HDDs in the first laptop. I am given to understand ZFS can do some wonderful things ... but uses a _lot_ of memory, which may be unacceptable. q) Can I live with a desktop environment (Gnome or KDE) and desktop applications (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc) by relying only on packages? Yes, assuming you're willing to live with the default options for each. Note: there may be ports whose packages are - for various reasons - not of the most recent version. q) I noticed all file/data-sizes are in bytes (ls, dd, etc), is there a way to change that system-wide to be in human-readable format? Check out the BLOCKSIZE environment variable, and the -H/-h setting to individual programs. q) Is there a tool that can test a set of mirrors for connection time and speed (for packages and ports)? Analogous to Archlinux's rankmirrors? sysutils/fastest_cvsup q) I noticed in the ports collection that there were some outdated packages (skype-2.2, gimp-2.6), should I report that and where? (A PR?) Generally - the right people know. What they don't know is when they will have the time (and in some cases, motivation) to import (and test) the latest version. Anyone can submit patches. The default person in charge of dealing with patches is the maintainer, who can be identified by going to the port directory and doing make MAINTAINER. Talking to the maintainer about new versions and trouble with old versions is both polite and (usually) more efficient. (For some large projects - Gnome, KDE, Mozilla, Java, etc. - the maintainer is a team.) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On 21/06/2012 12:24, Fred Morcos wrote: q) I am currently considering 3 disks for a home micro-server, with ZFS striping with the third disk being a parity disk. In case I decide to buy a fourth disk in the future and add it to the pool, is ZFS capable of re-structuring the data on-the-fly to have 2 sets of striping (without parity, so 2 disks each) and on top of that a mirror? Analogous to the following: +---+ |Stripe2 mirrors Stripe1| +---+---+ |Stripe1|Stripe2| +---+---+---+---+ | Disk1 | Disk2 | Disk3 | Disk4 | +---+---+---+---+ Just picking one of your questions arbitrarily -- not that there's anything wrong with the others, but this I had to comment on. And the comment is: Don't do it like that. viz. Don't mirror the stripes: stripe the mirrors instead. +---+ |Stripe | +---+---+ |Mirror1|Mirror2| +---+---+---+---+ | Disk1 | Disk2 | Disk3 | Disk4 | +---+---+---+---+ Why this way? Well, consider what happens if one of your disks fails. With your original plan (RAID0+1): A failed disk in a stripe immediately takes the whole stripe out of action, so you're left operating on only two drives and you have no resilience to further failures. With my plan (RAID10): A failed drive means you lose resilience in one of the mirrors -- the other mirror can carry on as usual, and you will still be making full use of all the remaining drives. It's also faster to recover when you replace the failed drive -- you only have to resilver one disk's worth. Now, your actual question: can you convert a RAIDz (which is what I assume you mean by with the third disk being a parity disk) to a RAID10 transparently? No. You can add another vdev (ie. a disk, mirrored pair or RAIDz group) to expand the size, but you can't radically rearrange the devices in your zpool without manual intervention. What you can do is: add your new disk to the system, and remove one drive from your RAIDz (so the RAIDz is running in degraded mode). You can create a new zpool from those two disks -- temporarily as a RAID0 stripe across the pair. You can then do 'zfs send' | 'zfs receive' to copy your filesystem contents over to the new zpool. Reboot so the system is running live on the new zpool, destroy the old zpool and then insert those drives into the new zpool so they mirror drives already there. That's a lot of copying stuff around, and all the while you won't have any resilience against disk failure. Plenty of scope for disastrous errors. Make sure you have very good backups. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
+---+ |Stripe | +---+---+ |Mirror1|Mirror2| +---+---+---+---+ | Disk1 | Disk2 | Disk3 | Disk4 | +---+---+---+---+ true. but there are mirror/stripe layout that is quite better in performance than yours where writes are not dominant ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Hi, On Thursday 21 June 2012 18:24:26 Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? you can run both the operating system and the ports from prebuilt binaries. What set me off, and got me tired of dealing with Linux-based systems is a set of patterns that have been repeating over for some years now. Generally: 1. Too often, core system components break (especially with every Linux kernel release). You will not find this kind of chaos here. Maybe a hint. I leave always one big release out. With other words. If you start now with 9, you do not have to move to 10 but you can stick with 9 until 11 comes out. You do not even have to upgrade at the spot. 1. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes until my webcam worked, dealing with v4l, gstreamer and cheese. 2. The USB3 port in my laptop used to work as USB2 (never as USB3), not anymore, it's now completely useless and doesn't react to anything. Things like this happened in the past too. But it is very, very rare and happens most likely with older hardware and not new one. 2. Sudden drastic changes that are deviating from simplicity. 1. The sudden flood of daemons that are designed to do everything for me, without giving me much say in the matter. My computer is supposed to help me, not decide for me or replace me. Welcome to Linux. 2. Those daemons are hard to get rid of and are tightly integrated into higher-level components in the stack (ie, into the desktop environment). 3. Those daemons are increasingly hard and obscure to configure (ie, huge XML files, complex hierarchies, etc). This was avoided here. 3. Due to having to run and interact with each other all the time, those daemons are sucking the life out of my laptop battery (according to powertop). I do not wonder. On the other side, power management is not the best on FreeBSD. 4. Probably other frustrations that I have forgotten about. 5. I think many of the developers of those components are trying to reach a Mac-like experience? I am not against that in any way, but it needs to be working well. FreeBSD has here one simple advantage. It is not integrated by any means into a GUI. Those are dbus, hal, udev, udisks, upower, pulseaudio, systemd, consolekit and policykit. Said to say but these friends are also available here. They are not part of FreeBSD and some can be avoided. I am aware that those solutions are there to solve complex problems (thus their inherent complexity) and that many bright people with a lot of experience have thought about them and worked on those projects. My frustration is that those solutions are: 1. At the cost of making simple tasks more complex. 2. Replacing or conflicting with the previously existing solution. 3. Sometimes very unstable and unusable. I think you see here Linux as a distribution. Things like this are avoided with FreeBSD itself but not wit the ports. The ports have nothing much to do with FreeBSD except that they work on FreeBSD. q) Where does the FreeBSD project stand on this matter? From what I noticed is that the base system seems to adhere to the tranditional flat text files for configuration and simple tools that do a good job, leaving it up to the user to combine those small tools to create larger, more complex ones (a UNIX inheritance). I read sometime comments that people want to make it more complex. q) Is a FreeBSD stable base system with current high-level components possible? Will it avoid the issues I experienced on Linux-based systems? Yes and no. As an example. I have had to run Fedora 16 on my x220 for some reasons. I was surprised how fast it is when I moved yesterday to FreeBSD. Some of the differences have to do with the deamons as you described above. My goal I have two laptops (Asus N73JQ, Asus U36S) which I use as work machines. Power efficiency is very important, efficient disk access too. Suspend to ram and hiberation would be nice to have but are not utterly important. q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? I use UFS since 2004/5 on laptops. q) Does ZFS make sense on a laptop? Any advantages of using it over USF with J+SU? I am not interested in any striping or mirroring on the laptops, but the compression features is very attractive for the HDDs in the first laptop. It did not make sense for me. q) The second laptop has an SSD, would UFS with/without J and with/without SU or ZFS make more sense for it? q) Can I live with a desktop environment (Gnome or KDE) and desktop applications (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc) by relying only on packages? It should work when you start off from the release versions. q) Does
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Maybe a hint. I leave always one big release out. With other words. If you start now with 9, you do not have to move to 10 but you can stick with 9 until 11 comes out. You do not even have to upgrade at the spot. my as i do - i for now run FreeBSD 8, and will run 9 when it will be needed with new hardware (drivers) or it will have clearly noticable adventages of speed and/or functionality. I think you see here Linux as a distribution. Things like this are avoided with FreeBSD itself but not wit the ports. The ports have nothing much to do with FreeBSD except that they work on FreeBSD. repeating once again. FreeBSD base system is one complete and consistent thing. ports are another. If one run program X under linux, it will be the same program X under FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. If you use the right Linusi, you can gain lots of useful knowledge. Basics are important, and older versions of Linux can really teach them. Of course a click'n'grunt environment won't teach you much. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is the place I always look first. and third - manuals. They are in sync with system and actually VERY useful. while i was still (long time ago) using linux most common manual was like this manual is outdated. Use texinfo documentation. and texinfo docs was often outdated too. Today it is most probably look at wikipedia ;) Of course i means FreeBSD base system, ports are not part of FreeBSD and quality varies. In modern applications, documentation is often left out (Who ever reads that?!), or it's scattered across web forums, user web pages and wikis. Some ports for FreeBSD have good manpages (e. g. man mplayer, man xmms or even man opera), some don't (try to find manpages for KDE programs, also no man firefox). I have been using GNU/Linux for quite a while and I am most comfortable with Archlinux. That should have provided you with essential basic knowledge that you can apply in FreeBSD without problems. The reason I like it is it's simplicity from the ground up without wasting too much time on unimportant details (unless you want to). You will find that aspect in FreeBSD. Another strong point is that it provides binary packages by default, user-building of packages if you want to, and the same level of customization you can achieve with - say - Gentoo Linux. FreeBSD seems to provide that. FreeBSD offers two methods: Source-based or precompiled. Both of them are build from the ports collection, a kind of means to control dealing with sources and automatically build from them. I learned over the years that (re-)compilation of packages is not something I want to do regularly, but something I would like to do only when I need and want to (ie, to strip out or add a certain compile-time feature from/to a package). A prominent example is mplayer / mencoder to deal with codecs. It's also typically needed to build OpenOffice with non-US language and unusual settings like no integration with KDE or Gnome (if you're not using them). I also learned that the performance gains of tuning compiler flags for a certain CPU are not that drastic for a desktop/laptop/workstation machine workflow and that this category of computing is mostly bound by IO speed (especially with HDDs). It's only needed when you have to get things running on older hardware. Again, mplayer is a good example for where you intendedly would deal with compiling in such a constellation. q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? It is. You're basically using pkg_add -r name to install the packages you want. The required dependencies will automatically be installed. What set me off, and got me tired of dealing with Linux-based systems is a set of patterns that have been repeating over for some years now. Generally: 1. Too often, core system components break (especially with every Linux kernel release). They don't in FreeBSD. Only tested and verified modifications will be committed to the non-experimental branches (the security branch of -RELEASE, and the -STABLE branch). If you're following the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after that accident, it runs fine again. :-) 1. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes until my webcam worked, dealing with v4l, gstreamer and cheese. FreeBSD - unlike Linux! - has a differentiation between the OS (FreeBSD itself, the operating system) and 3rd party applications (everything else, the ports collection). Even if you mess up all your ports, you _never_ will end up with a defective OS. So even in such a worst case, you can still access system means for diagnostics and repair. 2. Sudden drastic changes that are deviating from simplicity. 1. The sudden flood of daemons that are designed to do everything for me, without giving me much say in the matter. My computer is supposed to help me, not decide for me or replace me. The concept of FreeBSD includes to have several system-level deamons available, but only few of them are running by default. You have to enable them if you feel you need them. This is done in centralized (!) system configuration files. The most important one is /etc/rc.conf. Did I already mention
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after that accident, it runs fine again. :-) And finally unless doing tests or using private not-really-important computer, don't just install newest FreeBSD because it's out. I - and lot of others - still use 8.* for production while 9.* is out already for some time. Anyway i think that bleeding edge -HEAD release is still more stable than stable linux kernel. q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? I think so. For a laptop, you _might_ consider adding encryption. Just in case. You never know. for a server - you MUST do this :) q) The second laptop has an SSD, would UFS with/without J and with/without SU or ZFS make more sense for it? There are several parameters that you can tweak (see man tunefs), I would suggest a single partition spanning the whole SSD, and journaling would not be contraproductive. s/would not/would/ i assume this as mistake. do not journal on SSD. it increases amount of writes, and fsck is quick anyway. do not forget of -t option with newfs (TRIM enable) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Hi, On Thursday 21 June 2012 23:55:38 Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar q) Is it possible to get native resolution on the console? I played with vesa and vidcontrol but could never get what I wanted. Native resolution would require KMS? As far as I know, KMS (kernel mode settings) is specific to Linux. past tense, please. FreeBSD has several VESA modes bigger than 80x25. But I have to admit that I don't see a problem in using this default mode during initialization time. Later on, xterms (also those containing SSH and screen sessions) can be configured any size under X. Not really. I never found out why PCBSD could use my 1366x768 screen under VESA but FreeBSD couldn't. The new KMS does it all. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:14:54 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after that accident, it runs fine again. :-) And finally unless doing tests or using private not-really-important computer, don't just install newest FreeBSD because it's out. I - and lot of others - still use 8.* for production while 9.* is out already for some time. For home desktops, usually -STABLE is a good solution. Server maintainers tend to use -RELEASE-pX (which also makes binary updates easier). q) I would assume UFS with J+SU is fast enough for a laptop? I think so. For a laptop, you _might_ consider adding encryption. Just in case. You never know. for a server - you MUST do this :) It's worth mentioning that it's not good practice to have a keyfile-based decryption which is unlocked by a USB stick permanently sticking in the server. Security is nearly zero in such a constellation. Passphrase-based decryption is good as long as you have physical access to the server and only you (and maybe those you trust) have a secure (!!!) password which needs to be entered manually at system startup to unlock the /home drive or partition. q) The second laptop has an SSD, would UFS with/without J and with/without SU or ZFS make more sense for it? There are several parameters that you can tweak (see man tunefs), I would suggest a single partition spanning the whole SSD, and journaling would not be contraproductive. s/would not/would/ i assume this as mistake. do not journal on SSD. it increases amount of writes, and fsck is quick anyway. Good you spotted it - of course there is no need for journaling in this case (too much writes, no real benefit). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? The advantage of the former is that I will be able to easily show relations between the different topics and questions (put them into context) as well as articulate the setup I would like to reach. The advantage of the latter is that it is cleaner and simpler to answer one question by one. Also, I have done a bit of poking around to answer each of my own questions, obviously with no luck, so I do not mind RTFM-ing - I would actually prefer it, please feel free to link me to an article, tutorial, man page or handbook that already answers one or more question(s). Cheers, Fred ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
Hi, On Wednesday 20 June 2012 19:32:24 Fred Morcos wrote: I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? whatever you will be doing, some will say that it is wrong. The advantage of the former is that I will be able to easily show relations between the different topics and questions (put them into context) as well as articulate the setup I would like to reach. The advantage of the latter is that it is cleaner and simpler to answer one question by one. Also, I have done a bit of poking around to answer each of my own questions, obviously with no luck, so I do not mind RTFM-ing - I would actually prefer it, please feel free to link me to an article, tutorial, man page or handbook that already answers one or more question(s). I think that it is the best to ask. If people get disturbed by your questions, they should ignore it. The majority will be keen to help. You have choosen the general list. In case you cannot get an answer to a specific question, you can still post the same question later on the specific mailing list. Just be practical. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? split. or you will end with enormous messy thread. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:32:24 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? The advantage of the former is that I will be able to easily show relations between the different topics and questions (put them into context) as well as articulate the setup I would like to reach. The advantage of the latter is that it is cleaner and simpler to answer one question by one. Also, I have done a bit of poking around to answer each of my own questions, obviously with no luck, so I do not mind RTFM-ing - I would actually prefer it, please feel free to link me to an article, tutorial, man page or handbook that already answers one or more question(s). I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. The first thing to mention is that this is an extremely helpful list (I won't call it a newsgroup because it isn't one, though I read it via gmane), and as such is most useful. Ask away! Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is the place I always look first. Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
These are good guidelines to follow: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.html Try to avoid X Y problems. Initiating it with the root question will give the best results. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Fred Morcos fred.mor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? The advantage of the former is that I will be able to easily show relations between the different topics and questions (put them into context) as well as articulate the setup I would like to reach. The advantage of the latter is that it is cleaner and simpler to answer one question by one. Also, I have done a bit of poking around to answer each of my own questions, obviously with no luck, so I do not mind RTFM-ing - I would actually prefer it, please feel free to link me to an article, tutorial, man page or handbook that already answers one or more question(s). Cheers, Fred ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions
I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is the place I always look first. and third - manuals. They are in sync with system and actually VERY useful. while i was still (long time ago) using linux most common manual was like this manual is outdated. Use texinfo documentation. and texinfo docs was often outdated too. Today it is most probably look at wikipedia ;) Of course i means FreeBSD base system, ports are not part of FreeBSD and quality varies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
New to FreeBsd
I am new to the Free BSD and i have a question on how to install a packet.What i have to type to download a python editor?I cant find the right packet name.Thank you very much. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBsd
Hi, I am new to the Free BSD and i have a question on how to install a packet.What i have to type to download a python editor?I cant find the right packet name.Thank you very much. there are mainly two ways to install packages - via ports (i.e. you compile it yourself) or via pkg_add. The first is usually the preferred way, but you need to have the ports-collection installed. You can read about the packages system in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Regards, Julian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 04:16:13PM +0200, George George wrote: I am new to the Free BSD and i have a question on how to install a packet.What i have to type to download a python editor?I cant find the right packet name.Thank you very much. Hello George, If you mean 'packages' then start reading here : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports.html You'll want to look at chapter 4.4 specifically. I prefer ports as you can customise the creation of the program to include or omit certain capabilities. I'm not sure which editor you need but here's a page that lists a few : http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors As far as I know 'packets' are created using TCP/IP which is very basically how data is transferred across a computer network. Regards, Pete. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBsd
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:16:13 +0200 George George strangegeor...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to the Free BSD and i have a question on how to install a packet.What i have to type to download a python editor?I cant find the right packet name.Thank you very much. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org pkg_add -r gedit will install the gedit package, for example. There are thousands of packages available. pkg_add -r idle should get you the python interactive development tool. (Note they are called packages, not packets. They are pre-compiled binaries all ready to be used.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBsd
make sure your ports are up to date #portsnap fetch #portsnap extract change into the port directory #cd /usr/ports you can search through ports using these command in /usr/ports #make search name=python or #make search key=python On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:16 AM, George George strangegeor...@gmail.comwrote: I am new to the Free BSD and i have a question on how to install a packet.What i have to type to download a python editor?I cant find the right packet name.Thank you very much. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New to FreeBSD
Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Everyone else has tackled the book part of this question. I'll answer the second... I also switched from Linux to FreeBSD (Actually, the complete path was VAX Unix - MS-DOS - Windows - Linux - FreeBSD/Mac OS X, but that's a longer story!) The main reason for me was I am really an application programmer who gradually has been forced to depend less on guys in white coats to manage the servers (oh, those were the days!) to having to do it myself (and this is progress...) Linux was vastly superior to the whole M$ approach, but I found the whole Linux thing too chaotic for my taste. Every distribution seemed to have its own way of doing things. Linux books are filled with things like if you have Fedora, do this, if you have Debian, do that, if you have SUSE, do this other thing. What a pain. I love the fact that you can go very far with FreeBSD with an old copy of The Complete FreeBSD. It may not cover the newer stuff, but the older stuff hasn't changed all that much. And there are no 'switch' statements embedded in the book to cover 18 different distributions. There may not be as many FreeBSD books as there are for Linux, but maybe that's because there doesn't need to be! And that's a plus in my book. In short, FreeBSD is stable, it's under control, and you always know what to expect. It seems to me, that is the minimum requirement for an operating system. FreeBSD has given me a chance to relax for the first time in years. Thank you FreeBSD team! -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, John Almberg: Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. In short, FreeBSD is stable, it's under control, and you always know what to expect. It seems to me, that is the minimum requirement for an operating system. FreeBSD has given me a chance to relax for the first time in years. Thank you FreeBSD team! I'll sing the chorus with you. Thank you for FreeBSD and thanks to all the people on the list who devote their time to help people like me. Greetings from Poland, -- Zbigniew Szalbot SGM Lifewords www.sgmlifewords.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hello, I have installed FreeBSD on a server and on a laptop. The laptop is more important in indicating some of the changes in FreeBSD. After all, you need graphics, wireless, sound, etc. for a good experience. All of these currently are and have been issues for both Linux and FreeBSD. I actually am using FreeBSD on a laptop that had Debian installed. There were too many issues with hardware on an older laptop that, from everything I found, should have worked well. Problems with suspend/resume, graphics card, wireless, and sound. I had been reading about improvements in FreeBSD and decided to try it. There were no issues with sound, graphics, and minor suspend/resume. Wireless did not work in 6.3, but was simple in 7.0. I had to add 5 lines to loader.conf, 3 to rc.conf, and create a wpa_supplicant.conf file. All done. My only remaining issue was initial desktop configuration of kde/kdm. That brought me to DesktopBSD and PC-BSD. Both worked well enough, though PC-BSD is better. I've had to update the kernel to 7.0 to get wireless working, non-trivial but simple. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In short, FreeBSD is stable, it's under control, and you always know what to expect. It seems to me, that is the minimum requirement for an operating system. i FULLY agree with you. and it's incredible that vast majority of software on market fail this minimum requirement!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Almberg: Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Documentation. FreeBSD is well documented. The Manual pages are complete and of high quality. The handbook is excellent. On too many linux distributions I have been reading through a manual page or hand book of sorts, when the book suddenly ends halfway through, with various snippets such as: I need a screen capture of blah right here..., among others. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Documentation. FreeBSD is well documented. The Manual pages are complete and of high quality. The handbook is excellent. On too many linux distributions I have been reading through a manual page or hand book of sorts, when the book suddenly ends halfway through, with various snippets such as: I need a screen capture of blah right here..., among others. most common linux manual page: This page is outdated and incomplete. look at info or even better - on www.something.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:56:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Documentation. FreeBSD is well documented. [...] most common linux manual page: This page is outdated and incomplete. look at info or even better - on www.something.org That's evil(TM), but it's also true for many Linux manpages. Having said that, the work of the folks at http://www.linuxmanpages.com/ is a noble and valiant effort to do something about this problem. The advantage of FreeBSD in this case is that we have a well-integrated base system, and we don't have to chase around multitudes of seemingly semi-random people to write the manpages in the style *we* prefer. The very nature of the well integrated base system makes it far easier to convince people that this the manpage style you have to use, or we can not use your text :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:41:12 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:56:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Documentation. FreeBSD is well documented. [...] most common linux manual page: This page is outdated and incomplete. look at info or even better - on www.something.org That's evil(TM), but it's also true for many Linux manpages. Hmmm, rereading this it may have sounded very different than my original intention and entirely wrong. `Evil' was meant to have a joking-style meaning here. Wojciech is right on the spot when he says that it's annoying as hell to see manpages which merely point to an Info page. Especially when that info pages are in a different package, which isn't installed by default... ``doh!'' :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New to FreeBSD
Hello Every body, I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. ~ Sundar ~ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:35:26PM +0530, nerd fan wrote: Hello Every body, I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. ~ Sundar ~ Two other handy FreeBSD books: BSD Hacks The Best of FreeBSD Basics both by Dru Lavigne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:35:26PM +0530, nerd fan wrote: | Hello Every body, | | I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading | Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way | FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. | | | Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. | | ~ Sundar ~ | | Two other handy FreeBSD books: | | BSD Hacks | The Best of FreeBSD Basics | | both by Dru Lavigne I would like to add the invaluable Absolute BSD, by fellow Michael W. Lucas - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkhbs94ACgkQwMJqmJVx944fjQCfbS0uiokdyb1kkGns7jToKqtj bFsAn3RReohD7HfH6fdDzACqg1CPN4Xm =NgNF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way so start unix it and you'll answer the questions yourself ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Pietro Cerutti wrote: I would like to add the invaluable Absolute BSD, by fellow Michael W. Lucas There is actually a new version of Michael's book with a slightly different title: Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd Edition by No Starch Press released just a couple of months ago. It's a really great book and I highly recommend it. -- Chess Griffin GPG Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Chess Griffin wrote: | Pietro Cerutti wrote: | | I would like to add the invaluable | | Absolute BSD, by fellow Michael W. Lucas | | | There is actually a new version of Michael's book with a slightly | different title: Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd Edition by No Starch Press | released just a couple of months ago. It's a really great book and I | highly recommend it. | Oh I've missed that! Thanks! - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkhbt0YACgkQwMJqmJVx9444hwCg1/bFAtygW59d9PP2VfNrpjH0 agwAnj9nAbvXdaxl2a83FAV1E8xmwFqj =E2FP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New to FreeBSD
Absolute BSD is the 1st edition. You'll want Absolute FreeBSD, which is the 2nd ed, and includes material for FreeBSD Rel 6.X. August If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principle difference bet- ween a dog and a man. Sam Clemens -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pietro Cerutti Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nerd fan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:35:26PM +0530, nerd fan wrote: | Hello Every body, | | I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading | Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way | FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. | | | Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. | | ~ Sundar ~ | | Two other handy FreeBSD books: | | BSD Hacks | The Best of FreeBSD Basics | | both by Dru Lavigne I would like to add the invaluable Absolute BSD, by fellow Michael W. Lucas - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkhbs94ACgkQwMJqmJVx944fjQCfbS0uiokdyb1kkGns7jToKqtj bFsAn3RReohD7HfH6fdDzACqg1CPN4Xm =NgNF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Friday 20 June 2008 08:05:26 nerd fan wrote: Hello Every body, I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. ~ Sundar ~ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a newbie in the FreeBSD world too and books BSD Hacks, The Complete FreeBSD (Greg Lehey) help me a lot and FreeBSD book from their site too. I like Unix Power Tools a lot which help with Linux which user I was befor too. -- To be or not to be. -- Shakespeare To do is to be. -- Nietzsche To be is to do. -- Sartre Do be do be do. -- Sinatra ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:15:36PM -0500, Mitja wrote: On Friday 20 June 2008 08:05:26 nerd fan wrote: Hello Every body, I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. ~ Sundar ~ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a newbie in the FreeBSD world too and books BSD Hacks, The Complete FreeBSD (Greg Lehey) help me a lot and FreeBSD book from their site too. I like Unix Power Tools a lot which help with Linux which user I was befor too. All these books that have been mentioned, plus the FreeBSD Handbook, are great helps. But, there is nothing like installing FreeBSD on a machine or two and loading them up with things you want to use and doing a lot hands on - with these resources kept handily nearby. jerry -- To be or not to be. -- Shakespeare To do is to be. -- Nietzsche To be is to do. -- Sartre Do be do be do. -- Sinatra ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Friday 20 June 2008 10:05:26 nerd fan wrote: Hello Every body, I am a FreeBSD newbie, want to get started with BSD and have fun. Reading All you need to read: The Best of FreeBSD Basics by Dru Lavigne http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdbasics?id=akooQAWxmv_pc=38 ( while at it, don't miss the chance to subscribe to FreeBSD: FreeBSD Subscription, starting with FreeBSD 7.0 http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdsub7.0?id=PoQR7Kuomv_pc=181 ) Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd Edition by Michael W. Lucas http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=abs_bsd2 Mandatory desktop icon pointing to: FreeBSD Handbook /usr/share/doc/handbook/index.html Other nice reads: BSD Hacks by Dru Lavigne; ISBN-13: 978-0596006792 BSD UNIX Toolbox: 1000+ Commands for FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD by Christopher Negus, Francois Caen; ISBN-13: 978-0470376034 The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ Complete FreeBSD book. Interested in who uses FreeBSD and in what way FreeBSD is better than Linux for servers. In addition to the first two books (Lavigne and Lucas), add this one: Building a Server with FreeBSD 7 by Bryan J. Hong http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=freebsdserver Started having fun with FreeBSD 7.. Thanks for your responses. ~ Sundar ~ And you'll probably never stop having fun with FreeBSD :) -- Blessings Gonzalo Nemmi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD issues with multicast DNS.
Joe Dunn writes: Joe Hi All, Joe I'm new to FreeBSD, but I am running into an issue I can't seem to solve Joe after a few days. Joe I have a FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 set up. I installed mt-daapd/avahi from ports. Joe For some reason, I can see the share on the fileserver but not on the Joe network. Its like everything just stops when it get to the em0 (interface Joe plugged into the switch). Joe I can browse multicast dns locally as seen below Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports]# avahi-browse _daap._tcp Joe + em0 IPv4 freebsd _daap._tcp local I didn't use Mac. I've a FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (amd64) + Ubuntu Linux 8.04 (development/amd64) network at my place. How about doing host name resolution over mDNS using avahi-resolve-host-name or similar utility in your Mac ? Also, start a tcpdump on em0 at FreeBSD end, to see if it receives any mDNS request ? It also works, when any Windows box running Bonjour service, joins the network. [snip] Joe mbp:~ jdunn$ mDNS -B _daap._tcp Joe Browsing for _daap._tcp Joe Talking to DNS SD Daemon at Mach port 4099 Joe If i have itunes running on either of my macs it shows up during this Joe request. Does you iTunes also show up on FreeBSD end, hmm..? HTH -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- pgpwG1QEhgrC8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to FreeBSD issues with multicast DNS.
Joe Dunn writes: Joe Hi All, Joe I'm new to FreeBSD, but I am running into an issue I can't seem to solve Joe after a few days. Joe I have a FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 set up. I installed mt-daapd/avahi from ports. Joe For some reason, I can see the share on the fileserver but not on the Joe network. Its like everything just stops when it get to the em0 (interface Joe plugged into the switch). Joe I can browse multicast dns locally as seen below Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports]# avahi-browse _daap._tcp Joe + em0 IPv4 freebsd _daap._tcp local I didn't use Mac. I've a FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (amd64) + Ubuntu Linux 8.04 (development/amd64) network at my place. How about doing host name resolution over mDNS using avahi-resolve-host-name or similar utility in your Mac ? Also, start a tcpdump on em0 at FreeBSD end, to see if it receives any mDNS request ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/jdunn]# less daap_dump.txt |grep mdns 14:21:29.796764 IP freebsd.mdns 224.0.0.251.mdns: 0 [2a] PTR (QM)? _daap._tcp.local. (96) 14:21:30.798656 IP freebsd.mdns 224.0.0.251.mdns: 0 [2a] PTR (QM)? _daap._tcp.local. (96) 14:21:32.800467 IP freebsdt.mdns 224.0.0.251.mdns: 0 [2a] PTR (QM)? _daap._tcp.local. (96) From my mac the only mulitcast traffic my mac see's is from my airport extreme with a USB harddrive attached 14:41:47.728675 IP 192.168.1.1.afpovertcp 192.168.1.194.51494: F 123:123(0) ack 123 win 34816 nop,nop,timestamp 9 402020814 It also works, when any Windows box running Bonjour service, joins the network. [snip] Joe mbp:~ jdunn$ mDNS -B _daap._tcp Joe Browsing for _daap._tcp Joe Talking to DNS SD Daemon at Mach port 4099 Joe If i have itunes running on either of my macs it shows up during this Joe request. Does you iTunes also show up on FreeBSD end, hmm..? Sure does, see below [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/jdunn]# avahi-browse _daap._tcp + em0 IPv4 Macbookpro?s Music_PW _daap._tcp local + em0 IPv4 freebsd _daap._tcp local HTH -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New to FreeBSD issues with multicast DNS.
Hi All, I'm new to FreeBSD, but I am running into an issue I can't seem to solve after a few days. I have a FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 set up. I installed mt-daapd/avahi from ports. For some reason, I can see the share on the fileserver but not on the network. Its like everything just stops when it get to the em0 (interface plugged into the switch). I can browse multicast dns locally as seen below [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports]# avahi-browse _daap._tcp + em0 IPv4 freebsd _daap._tcp local My network card has mulitcast em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 I did add a mulitcast route route add -net 224.0.0.0 -iface em0 I have since taken it off since it didn't do anything And when i tcpdump and check the dump I see mulitcast broadcasts being sent out 20:42:00.085459 IP freebsd.mdns 224.0.0.251.mdns: 0 [2a] PTR (QM)? _daap._tcp.local. (96) Both mt-daapd/avahi are running. When i browse on my network from my macbookpro I never see the daapd share mbp:~ jdunn$ mDNS -B _daap._tcp Browsing for _daap._tcp Talking to DNS SD Daemon at Mach port 4099 If i have itunes running on either of my macs it shows up during this request. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I could have messed up? Thanks for any help Joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hi, I just put instead of sk0 nve0 (wich is my ethernet card). But, on boot i see that it searches for ALTQ and I saw that it can be turned on only by configuring the kernel. Is there maybe any other way? Ivan On 4/2/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:01PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: I have a problem with my firewall. When booting freebsd i get the message that pf is enabling, but there are syntax errors in the /etc/pf.conf file and that no IP adresses were found for sk0 network. What should i change here? I took the conf file from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec Take a look at the macros that define the external and internal networks. They are called ext_if and int_if. If you don't have an internal network, remove all lines that have localnet or int_if in them. Make sure that the ext_if macro matches your network interface. Look at the output of the ifconfig command, and disregard lo0, pflog0 and plip0. You're looking for the network device that has a status: active line in the ifconfig output. Do not change the order of the lines in the file! pf expects them to be in a certain order. See 'man pf.conf'. If that still doesn't work, let me know and I'll send you a cleaned-up copy off the list. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 4/4/2007 3:51 PM Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi, I just put instead of sk0 nve0 (wich is my ethernet card). But, on boot i see that it searches for ALTQ and I saw that it can be turned on only by configuring the kernel. Is there maybe any other way? Ivan FYI - Top posting is frowned upon here. To answer your question, no. AFAIK, the only way to enable ALTQ is to compile it into your kernel. The FreeBSD Handbook will have instructions. HTH, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com On 4/2/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:01PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: I have a problem with my firewall. When booting freebsd i get the message that pf is enabling, but there are syntax errors in the /etc/pf.conf file and that no IP adresses were found for sk0 network. What should i change here? I took the conf file from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec Take a look at the macros that define the external and internal networks. They are called ext_if and int_if. If you don't have an internal network, remove all lines that have localnet or int_if in them. Make sure that the ext_if macro matches your network interface. Look at the output of the ifconfig command, and disregard lo0, pflog0 and plip0. You're looking for the network device that has a status: active line in the ifconfig output. Do not change the order of the lines in the file! pf expects them to be in a certain order. See 'man pf.conf'. If that still doesn't work, let me know and I'll send you a cleaned-up copy off the list. Roland ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 4/5/07, Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/2007 3:51 PM Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi, I just put instead of sk0 nve0 (wich is my ethernet card). But, on boot i see that it searches for ALTQ and I saw that it can be turned on only by configuring the kernel. Is there maybe any other way? Ivan FYI - Top posting is frowned upon here. To answer your question, no. AFAIK, the only way to enable ALTQ is to compile it into your kernel. The FreeBSD Handbook will have instructions. HTH, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com Hi, well, i hope the firewall (pf) still works. I must say that freebsd is just great, a minute ago i messed up something in rc.conf and i just put the inst cd in rebooted and fixed the error from the shell! That's something what you can't do on win, just great, makes someone proud of himself:) Ivan On 4/2/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:01PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: I have a problem with my firewall. When booting freebsd i get the message that pf is enabling, but there are syntax errors in the /etc/pf.conf file and that no IP adresses were found for sk0 network. What should i change here? I took the conf file from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec Take a look at the macros that define the external and internal networks. They are called ext_if and int_if. If you don't have an internal network, remove all lines that have localnet or int_if in them. Make sure that the ext_if macro matches your network interface. Look at the output of the ifconfig command, and disregard lo0, pflog0 and plip0. You're looking for the network device that has a status: active line in the ifconfig output. Do not change the order of the lines in the file! pf expects them to be in a certain order. See 'man pf.conf'. If that still doesn't work, let me know and I'll send you a cleaned-up copy off the list. Roland -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:51:28AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi, I just put instead of sk0 nve0 (wich is my ethernet card). But, on boot i see that it searches for ALTQ and I saw that it can be turned on only by configuring the kernel. Is there maybe any other way? Like this?: No ALTQ support in kernel ALTQ related functions disabled That's just a message. You don't _need_ ALTQ. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp52PryWu5I9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:51:28AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovic' wrote: Hi, I just put instead of sk0 nve0 (wich is my ethernet card). But, on boot i see that it searches for ALTQ and I saw that it can be turned on only by configuring the kernel. Is there maybe any other way? Like this?: No ALTQ support in kernel ALTQ related functions disabled That's just a message. You don't _need_ ALTQ. Roland You don't need ALTQ unless you're going to get down to the nitty-gritty of QoS and forwarding traffic through your machine. See: http://www.sonycsl.co.jp/~kjc/software.html for more details. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
I have a problem with my firewall. When booting freebsd i get the message that pf is enabling, but there are syntax errors in the /etc/pf.conf file and that no IP adresses were found for sk0 network. What should i change here? I took the conf file from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec Ivan On 3/30/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:21:32PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Try xvidtune. Thanks, I'll try. I knew of that program, but with time I forgot it's name. I must say that freebsd works very well as a workstation, there are no viruses (am I right?), As good as right. There have been proof-of-concept viruses for UNIX, but AFAIK no one has ever been found in the wild. And most of them rely on the operator doing something stupid (like running an un-trusted binary as root). That doesn't mean FreeBSD is invulnerable though. If you're running a workstation there are several things you should do IMHO. 1) Enable one of the firewalls that are available on FreeBSD (I like pf). This firewall should be set up to block incoming connections. 2) Do not enable any services that you don't need. 3) Disable all logins that don't come from the local machine. See http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec You might find the rest of this page usefull as well. But, let me ask something. When I was configuring the mounting of usb memory sticks, I had to create the /etc/devfs.rules file and write something in it. ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html) and I did it. Everything works fine, but is it ok to create files like this if they are not already created by the system. I just followed the hanbook, but the only difference was that I had to create that file. It is fine to create those files. It is just not used by default. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:01PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: I have a problem with my firewall. When booting freebsd i get the message that pf is enabling, but there are syntax errors in the /etc/pf.conf file and that no IP adresses were found for sk0 network. What should i change here? I took the conf file from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec Take a look at the macros that define the external and internal networks. They are called ext_if and int_if. If you don't have an internal network, remove all lines that have localnet or int_if in them. Make sure that the ext_if macro matches your network interface. Look at the output of the ifconfig command, and disregard lo0, pflog0 and plip0. You're looking for the network device that has a status: active line in the ifconfig output. Do not change the order of the lines in the file! pf expects them to be in a certain order. See 'man pf.conf'. If that still doesn't work, let me know and I'll send you a cleaned-up copy off the list. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpQH3qMcOFWo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:09:51AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hello, here I am again with another problem. Thanks for your answers, I managed to setup my system, and now almost everything works. Still, I must configure my printer (Hp LaserJet 6L), but this is not the issue now. I have troubles with my monitor picture: if I set up the monitor picture for windows with the buttons on my monitro, then on FreeBSD my desktop goes always to right for a centimeter. Then again, if I fix the position with my monitor buttons then on windows the picture goes on the right (or left). What's the cause of this? Any solutions? Can't help with this. I have a lot of trouble getting my monitor to be acceptable myself. FreeBSD is great, I use it all the times, but still, I miss some programs from windows (AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Catia). When I buy myself a lapotp, there won't be windows Check out ports. Read about the ports system in the handbook and then cd to /usr/ports and start looking for things that would work for you.From /usr/ports try running make search=string to look for something. For example enter make search name=cad NOTE that most ports need to be installed with root. Have fun, jerry Thanks, Ivan On 3/28/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-28 19:43, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? Add the line: snd_driver_load=YES in your /boot/loader.conf file. This way the kernel will preload the sound driver modules when it boots, and you won't have to load them manually. -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:09:51AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hello, here I am again with another problem. Thanks for your answers, I managed to setup my system, and now almost everything works. Still, I must configure my printer (Hp LaserJet 6L), but this is not the issue now. I have troubles with my monitor picture: if I set up the monitor picture for windows with the buttons on my monitro, then on FreeBSD my desktop goes always to right for a centimeter. Then again, if I fix the position with my monitor buttons then on windows the picture goes on the right (or left). What's the cause of this? Any solutions? Can't help with this. I have a lot of trouble getting my monitor to be acceptable myself. Try xvidtune. FreeBSD is great, I use it all the times, but still, I miss some programs from windows (AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Catia). When I buy myself a lapotp, there won't be windows Qcad (/usr/ports/cad/qcad) is a nice 2D CAD program. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp1v9qMrQIfK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:09:51AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hello, here I am again with another problem. Thanks for your answers, I managed to setup my system, and now almost everything works. Still, I must configure my printer (Hp LaserJet 6L), but this is not the issue now. I have troubles with my monitor picture: if I set up the monitor picture for windows with the buttons on my monitro, then on FreeBSD my desktop goes always to right for a centimeter. Then again, if I fix the position with my monitor buttons then on windows the picture goes on the right (or left). What's the cause of this? Any solutions? Run xvidtune from an xterm. Use the controls on xvidtune to get your picture appropriately centered and then hit the show button. This will give you a modeline which you can cut and paste into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Put it in the Monitor section. Then restart X and your picture should then be centered. BTW, if your printer supports postscript, you'll find it easy to setup. A lot of unix programs output postscript. I just use lpd with a very simple filter. FreeBSD is great, I use it all the times, but still, I miss some programs from windows (AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Catia). When I buy myself a lapotp, there won't be windows I have to buy a Windows license to use AutoCAD LT, much to my annoyance. Welcome to FreeBSD, btw! -- Frank echo f r a n k @ e s p e r a n c e - l i n u x . c o . u k | sed 's/ //g' ---PGP keyID: 0x10BD6F4B--- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 3/30/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:09:51AM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hello, here I am again with another problem. Thanks for your answers, I managed to setup my system, and now almost everything works. Still, I must configure my printer (Hp LaserJet 6L), but this is not the issue now. I have troubles with my monitor picture: if I set up the monitor picture for windows with the buttons on my monitro, then on FreeBSD my desktop goes always to right for a centimeter. Then again, if I fix the position with my monitor buttons then on windows the picture goes on the right (or left). What's the cause of this? Any solutions? Can't help with this. I have a lot of trouble getting my monitor to be acceptable myself. Try xvidtune. Thanks, I'll try. I knew of that program, but with time I forgot it's name. FreeBSD is great, I use it all the times, but still, I miss some programs from windows (AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Catia). When I buy myself a lapotp, there won't be windows Qcad (/usr/ports/cad/qcad) is a nice 2D CAD program. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) I must say that freebsd works very well as a workstation, there are no viruses (am I right?), it's very stable, extendable and with good support (thanks guys). On the other side, there are a lot of things one should learn, but I already managed to lear a lot of things, and, also, the handbook is genius, it's just great and one can understand everything. But, let me ask something. When I was configuring the mounting of usb memory sticks, I had to create the /etc/devfs.rules file and write something in it. (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html) and I did it. Everything works fine, but is it ok to create files like this if they are not already created by the system. I just followed the hanbook, but the only difference was that I had to create that file. Ivan -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:21:32PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Try xvidtune. Thanks, I'll try. I knew of that program, but with time I forgot it's name. I must say that freebsd works very well as a workstation, there are no viruses (am I right?), As good as right. There have been proof-of-concept viruses for UNIX, but AFAIK no one has ever been found in the wild. And most of them rely on the operator doing something stupid (like running an un-trusted binary as root). That doesn't mean FreeBSD is invulnerable though. If you're running a workstation there are several things you should do IMHO. 1) Enable one of the firewalls that are available on FreeBSD (I like pf). This firewall should be set up to block incoming connections. 2) Do not enable any services that you don't need. 3) Disable all logins that don't come from the local machine. See http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#sec You might find the rest of this page usefull as well. But, let me ask something. When I was configuring the mounting of usb memory sticks, I had to create the /etc/devfs.rules file and write something in it. (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html) and I did it. Everything works fine, but is it ok to create files like this if they are not already created by the system. I just followed the hanbook, but the only difference was that I had to create that file. It is fine to create those files. It is just not used by default. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp7QiU0REOjA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hello, here I am again with another problem. Thanks for your answers, I managed to setup my system, and now almost everything works. Still, I must configure my printer (Hp LaserJet 6L), but this is not the issue now. I have troubles with my monitor picture: if I set up the monitor picture for windows with the buttons on my monitro, then on FreeBSD my desktop goes always to right for a centimeter. Then again, if I fix the position with my monitor buttons then on windows the picture goes on the right (or left). What's the cause of this? Any solutions? FreeBSD is great, I use it all the times, but still, I miss some programs from windows (AutoCAD, SolidWorks, Catia). When I buy myself a lapotp, there won't be windows Thanks, Ivan On 3/28/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-28 19:43, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? Add the line: snd_driver_load=YES in your /boot/loader.conf file. This way the kernel will preload the sound driver modules when it boots, and you won't have to load them manually. -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 2007-03-26 23:09, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? This question was posted to the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc newsgroup too. 'jpd' took the time to write a fairly informative reply there: % Date: 27 Mar 2007 03:36:37 GMT % From: jpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD % Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc % Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % Begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] % On 2007-03-27, Walter Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % [...] I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but % it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan % installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it % is ok to start with this. % % That is quite a lot of documentation. The handbook covers quite a lot % of topics and is a recommended read. The installation, release, and % hardware notes you'll also want to read at least once. % % The other handbooks and articles are useful if you're interested in % their particular topics, of course. % % There are also one or two complete books, previously in print, now % online, that you might want to look at. If they're not linked to on % the FreeBSD site, they've certainly been mentioned in this group. % % And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? % % FreeBSD itself does very little on that front. The graphics are usually % provided through the Xorg X Window System (previously the XFree86 one), % and that works well for 2d and accelerated 2d graphics. More details % in the Xorg documentation. Accelerated OpenGL 3d support is a sore % point with the free software world, as most vendors won't share the % programming specs, and if they provide binary drivers at all it is often % only for linux. % % So, for really snazzy 3d graphics out of the box you'll have to look at % other solutions. A commercial X server might help. Have you actually *read* the reply of jpd to the group? Did you find it useful? Did you find it confusing, in any way? If it was unclear, what was it exactly that you didn't understand in his reply? - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 2007-03-27 23:36, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Right after your first FreeBSD installation, you are certainly *not* expected to rush into rebuilding a kernel, for any reason. In fact, this could be a dangerous exercise. It's far too easy to build a kernel which lacks critical components, and render your system unbootable (at least unbootable without manual intervention). Since you are new to the FreeBSD system, my suggestion would be to forget about rebuilding kernels, optimizing compiler flags, and tweaking knobs here and there. Now that you have a working FreeBSD installation you should *read* about the system you have just installed. There is a wealth of information about FreeBSD both in the CD-ROM set which you used to install it, and online. You should, at least, check the following: * The README.TXT file at the toplevel directory of your installation CD-ROM. * The web pages at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docs.html * The FreeBSD FAQ book, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The FAQ contains a lagre list of frequently asked questions about FreeBSD. You will find answers there about a very diverse range of topics, including such obscure things as ``I managed to trash by boot loader, what should I do now?''. * The FreeBSD Handbook, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD Handbook is the largest book written by the FreeBSD documentation team. It is both a guide for the beginning user, and a common reference for administrators setting up services with FreeBSD. Your answer about KDE vs. X11 is already answered in the Handbook. Note that a copy of the Handbook and all the articles, books and other reference material related to the FreeBSD release you have just installed, are also conveniently available in the CD-ROM you used to install FreeBSD. You can install them locally too, by logging in as root and running ``sysinstall'': # sysintall Follow the menus to add the ``doc'' distribution, and then you will have a copy of all the documentation articles and books at: /usr/share/doc Welcome to FreeBSD, and if you have other questions regarding its every day use and operation, feel free to email this list again :-) - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
hello again. I made a mistake during post install config. I put a name that I don't want for my computer, and when I logon as root it's written in the comand line. How di I change it? Ivan On 3/28/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-27 23:36, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Right after your first FreeBSD installation, you are certainly *not* expected to rush into rebuilding a kernel, for any reason. In fact, this could be a dangerous exercise. It's far too easy to build a kernel which lacks critical components, and render your system unbootable (at least unbootable without manual intervention). Since you are new to the FreeBSD system, my suggestion would be to forget about rebuilding kernels, optimizing compiler flags, and tweaking knobs here and there. Now that you have a working FreeBSD installation you should *read* about the system you have just installed. There is a wealth of information about FreeBSD both in the CD-ROM set which you used to install it, and online. You should, at least, check the following: * The README.TXT file at the toplevel directory of your installation CD-ROM. * The web pages at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docs.html * The FreeBSD FAQ book, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The FAQ contains a lagre list of frequently asked questions about FreeBSD. You will find answers there about a very diverse range of topics, including such obscure things as ``I managed to trash by boot loader, what should I do now?''. * The FreeBSD Handbook, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD Handbook is the largest book written by the FreeBSD documentation team. It is both a guide for the beginning user, and a common reference for administrators setting up services with FreeBSD. Your answer about KDE vs. X11 is already answered in the Handbook. Note that a copy of the Handbook and all the articles, books and other reference material related to the FreeBSD release you have just installed, are also conveniently available in the CD-ROM you used to install FreeBSD. You can install them locally too, by logging in as root and running ``sysinstall'': # sysintall Follow the menus to add the ``doc'' distribution, and then you will have a copy of all the documentation articles and books at: /usr/share/doc Welcome to FreeBSD, and if you have other questions regarding its every day use and operation, feel free to email this list again :-) - Giorgos -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 09:08:30 am Ivan Zenzerović wrote: hello again. I made a mistake during post install config. I put a name that I don't want for my computer, and when I logon as root it's written in the comand line. How di I change it? Ivan Edit /etc/rc.conf .. find the line hostname=wrong name and change it to the name you prefer. -- Q: How many pre-med's does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Five: One to change the bulb and four to pull the ladder out from under him. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 04:08:30PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: hello again. I made a mistake during post install config. I put a name that I don't want for my computer, and when I logon as root it's written in the comand line. How di I change it? Presuming by that that you mean your hostname, then that is set in /etc/rc.conf -- look for the hostname command and edit it. It is best if it has the fully qualified hostname including domain, not just the first (left-most) element of it. If you are using this machine on the net, then that hostname has to be registered with who-ever is providing DNS for you. So, whatever you set it to needs to be what is registered and matches the IP address you have for the machine. In addition, the domain name needs to be correct in /etc/resolv.conf jerry Ivan On 3/28/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-27 23:36, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Right after your first FreeBSD installation, you are certainly *not* expected to rush into rebuilding a kernel, for any reason. In fact, this could be a dangerous exercise. It's far too easy to build a kernel which lacks critical components, and render your system unbootable (at least unbootable without manual intervention). Since you are new to the FreeBSD system, my suggestion would be to forget about rebuilding kernels, optimizing compiler flags, and tweaking knobs here and there. Now that you have a working FreeBSD installation you should *read* about the system you have just installed. There is a wealth of information about FreeBSD both in the CD-ROM set which you used to install it, and online. You should, at least, check the following: * The README.TXT file at the toplevel directory of your installation CD-ROM. * The web pages at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docs.html * The FreeBSD FAQ book, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The FAQ contains a lagre list of frequently asked questions about FreeBSD. You will find answers there about a very diverse range of topics, including such obscure things as ``I managed to trash by boot loader, what should I do now?''. * The FreeBSD Handbook, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD Handbook is the largest book written by the FreeBSD documentation team. It is both a guide for the beginning user, and a common reference for administrators setting up services with FreeBSD. Your answer about KDE vs. X11 is already answered in the Handbook. Note that a copy of the Handbook and all the articles, books and other reference material related to the FreeBSD release you have just installed, are also conveniently available in the CD-ROM you used to install FreeBSD. You can install them locally too, by logging in as root and running ``sysinstall'': # sysintall Follow the menus to add the ``doc'' distribution, and then you will have a copy of all the documentation articles and books at: /usr/share/doc Welcome to FreeBSD, and if you have other questions regarding its every day use and operation, feel free to email this list again :-) - Giorgos -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
David J Brooks skrev: On Wednesday 28 March 2007 09:08:30 am Ivan Zenzerović wrote: hello again. I made a mistake during post install config. I put a name that I don't want for my computer, and when I logon as root it's written in the comand line. How di I change it? Ivan Edit /etc/rc.conf .. find the line hostname=wrong name and change it to the name you prefer. Maybe also edit /etc/hosts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? Ivan On 3/28/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 04:08:30PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: hello again. I made a mistake during post install config. I put a name that I don't want for my computer, and when I logon as root it's written in the comand line. How di I change it? Presuming by that that you mean your hostname, then that is set in /etc/rc.conf -- look for the hostname command and edit it. It is best if it has the fully qualified hostname including domain, not just the first (left-most) element of it. If you are using this machine on the net, then that hostname has to be registered with who-ever is providing DNS for you. So, whatever you set it to needs to be what is registered and matches the IP address you have for the machine. In addition, the domain name needs to be correct in /etc/resolv.conf jerry Ivan On 3/28/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-27 23:36, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Right after your first FreeBSD installation, you are certainly *not* expected to rush into rebuilding a kernel, for any reason. In fact, this could be a dangerous exercise. It's far too easy to build a kernel which lacks critical components, and render your system unbootable (at least unbootable without manual intervention). Since you are new to the FreeBSD system, my suggestion would be to forget about rebuilding kernels, optimizing compiler flags, and tweaking knobs here and there. Now that you have a working FreeBSD installation you should *read* about the system you have just installed. There is a wealth of information about FreeBSD both in the CD-ROM set which you used to install it, and online. You should, at least, check the following: * The README.TXT file at the toplevel directory of your installation CD-ROM. * The web pages at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docs.html * The FreeBSD FAQ book, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The FAQ contains a lagre list of frequently asked questions about FreeBSD. You will find answers there about a very diverse range of topics, including such obscure things as ``I managed to trash by boot loader, what should I do now?''. * The FreeBSD Handbook, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD Handbook is the largest book written by the FreeBSD documentation team. It is both a guide for the beginning user, and a common reference for administrators setting up services with FreeBSD. Your answer about KDE vs. X11 is already answered in the Handbook. Note that a copy of the Handbook and all the articles, books and other reference material related to the FreeBSD release you have just installed, are also conveniently available in the CD-ROM you used to install FreeBSD. You can install them locally too, by logging in as root and running ``sysinstall'': # sysintall Follow the menus to add the ``doc'' distribution, and then you will have a copy of all the documentation articles and books at: /usr/share/doc Welcome to FreeBSD, and if you have other questions regarding its every day use and operation, feel free to email this list again :-) - Giorgos -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? In short, add: snd_driver_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf. However, it'd be better to figure out which of the umpty-leven drivers is really being used, and only load it. See snd(4) for more details. Kevin Kinsey -- Don't knock President Fillmore. He kept us out of Vietnam. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 2007-03-28 19:43, Ivan Zenzerovi? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? Add the line: snd_driver_load=YES in your /boot/loader.conf file. This way the kernel will preload the sound driver modules when it boots, and you won't have to load them manually. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Ivan Zenzerović [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks, i managed to fix this by running the post install configuration with sysinstall. But I have another problem. Every time i start the system my soundcard won't work. I must tipe kldload snd_driver and then logoff and again logon in kde to get my soundcard working. How can i fix this? Use loader.conf(5). This is covered in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Thanks, Ivan On 3/27/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. It is OK, but I would encourage you to download the latest RELEASE to start with and that currently is FreeBSD 6.2. It is better than 5.5. But, you can get 5.5 to work if that is what you wish. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Do you mean one that is built in to the motherboard? There is a list of supported hardware in each RELEASE section on the FreeBSD web site. That is the place to look first. Some NICs and other controllers that are int4egrated on the motherboard do not work well, but I don't know which ones. You might have to get more specific with the chip identification and such. jerry Thanks, Ivan -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On 2007/03/27 13:36, Ivan Zenzeroviæ seems to have typed: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? xorg is required to run KDE. Please read the handbook page on how to have xorg use KDE as the window manager: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hi guys, i managed to install it, and, in fact I'm working on it right now. It's great, just tell me, I should compile my kernel at this point? If you have csup-ed new stuff or if you need some other driver in the kernel, then you need to build one. But otherwise, don't do it if the kernel you are running is working fine. And a question: I don't like this xorg, and I have installed KDE but how do I run KDE? Maybe you misunderstand Xorg. It is the Xwindows system. You need it. But you want either/and a windows manager or/and a desktop manager. So far you probably have only the simple windows manager that gets installed along with Xorg (I think it is TWM) which is extremely minimal. There are a number of windows managers such as AfterStep (which I have been using) or XZfce which some people are now seeming to like. You can install them from ports and then you have to configure them to your liking. KDE (and gnome) is a desktop manager which includes a window manager. But, it still uses Xorg to do the windows as far as I know. You should be able to enter the command 'startkde' to run it. You could also tinker around and get it to start automatically when you log in, but there might be times you don't want it to and typing startkde is pretty easy. I find kde to be rather overkill for my purposes. It is too much of an attempt to replace [be like] MS-Win and I ain't interested in anything being like that. I just want things to run and do what I tell them.But many people like all the extra things that are included in KDE, so check it out and decide for yourself. Gnome seems to be even more overkill so I've only tried to install and run it once, several generations ago for those reasons. jerry Thanks, Ivan On 3/27/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. It is OK, but I would encourage you to download the latest RELEASE to start with and that currently is FreeBSD 6.2. It is better than 5.5. But, you can get 5.5 to work if that is what you wish. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Do you mean one that is built in to the motherboard? There is a list of supported hardware in each RELEASE section on the FreeBSD web site. That is the place to look first. Some NICs and other controllers that are int4egrated on the motherboard do not work well, but I don't know which ones. You might have to get more specific with the chip identification and such. jerry Thanks, Ivan -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New to FreeBSD
Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Thanks, Ivan -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Hi, when I tried with Knoppix, the X system worked well, but with debian I had some problems. I'll try installing it on this week so I'll know everything. Thanks for your answer. Ivan On 3/27/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. Better get 6.2. That is the latest production release. 5.5 is a legacy release. I downloaded also all availible docs. The docs are on the release CD and will be installed if you tell the install program to do so. It is a good idea to print out those parts of the FreeBSD Handbook that deal with installation and have them handy. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. What you could do is use an emulator (like VMware or the free Qemu) to do a test install on a virtual machine. Furthermore there is the Freesbie project which is a FreeBSD Live-CD that you can boot from to get a feel for the system and how it deals with your hardware. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Depends. It's not really dependant on FreeBSD, but more on the X server. You should look at the docs on the X website: www.x.org HTH, Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Thanks, Ivan I'd give the 6.2 release a shot. the 5.5 is a legacy release. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
Ivan Zenzerović wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. 6.2-RELEASE would be a better choice. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? More than 90% of them do; I don't know about all of them. You might try a FreeBSD live CD (such as FreeSBIE) and see what kind of performance you get. I think that a new FreeSBIE is out based on FreeBSD 6.2 --- you could check at www.freesbie.org. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Ivan Zenzerovi? wrote: Hi to all. My name is Ivan and I'm new to FreeBSD and Unix, I worked a little in Linux, but it was a long time ago. I downloaded the 5.5 release and I plan installing it. I downloaded also all availible docs. I wondered if it is ok to start with this. It is OK, but I would encourage you to download the latest RELEASE to start with and that currently is FreeBSD 6.2. It is better than 5.5. But, you can get 5.5 to work if that is what you wish. And, also, I have an integrated GPU, it works well on FreeBSD? Do you mean one that is built in to the motherboard? There is a list of supported hardware in each RELEASE section on the FreeBSD web site. That is the place to look first. Some NICs and other controllers that are int4egrated on the motherboard do not work well, but I don't know which ones. You might have to get more specific with the chip identification and such. jerry Thanks, Ivan -- --- Correr, competir, eu levo isso no sangue, é parte da minha vida. - Ayrton Senna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Install FreeBSD 6.2 with latest patch level question
I am going to install FreeBSD 6.2 Release on a new box but I noticed it is now on patch 1. Is there a way to install FreeBSD 6.2 patch 1 on a new install without having to install 6.2 Release then updating the source and finally doing a build/make world after installing 6.2? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Install FreeBSD 6.2 with latest patch level question
Sean Murphy wrote: I am going to install FreeBSD 6.2 Release on a new box but I noticed it is now on patch 1. Is there a way to install FreeBSD 6.2 patch 1 on a new install without having to install 6.2 Release then updating the source and finally doing a build/make world after installing 6.2? I'm actually not certain on that, however instead of doing the build/make world update you can now use the freebsd-update to do a much faster binary update to the latest patchlevel. (man freebsd-update and freebsd-update.conf for details) Vince Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Install FreeBSD 6.2 with latest patch level question
In response to Sean Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am going to install FreeBSD 6.2 Release on a new box but I noticed it is now on patch 1. Is there a way to install FreeBSD 6.2 patch 1 on a new install without having to install 6.2 Release then updating the source and finally doing a build/make world after installing 6.2? It's possible to create your own install cd. Do some googling on make release for FreeBSD. However, if it's only 1 machine, it will take the same amount of time/ effort to buildworld/buildkernel. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Install FreeBSD 6.2 with latest patch level question
Bill Moran wrote the following on 2/12/2007 9:37 AM: In response to Sean Murphy [1][EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am going to install FreeBSD 6.2 Release on a new box but I noticed it is now on patch 1. Is there a way to install FreeBSD 6.2 patch 1 on a new install without having to install 6.2 Release then updating the source and finally doing a build/make world after installing 6.2? It's possible to create your own install cd. Do some googling on make release for FreeBSD. However, if it's only 1 machine, it will take the same amount of time/ effort to buildworld/buildkernel. Is it possible to change the tags from sysinstall and then use ftp to download the latest security release? References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 05:41:08AM +0200, P.U.Kruppa wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Thanks. Another idea: First try a live CD (Freesbie), as recommended above, to get used to everything (won't do any harm). Then get a second hard drive and install freebsd on this (should be cheaper than buying Partition Magic). You can dual boot both systems then and leave your XP installation as is. What are the memory requirements of Freesbie? Wouldn't 128MB be a bit tight? -- Frank echo f r a n k @ e s p e r a n c e - l i n u x . c o . u k | sed 's/ //g' ---PGP keyID: 0x10BD6F4B--- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:54:14PM -0400, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? The ideal approach for someone in your situation would be to download and install http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ and then download a ready to use FreeBSD appliance http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ or, alternatively, go through the installation process yourself by installing FreeBSD from a CD using vmware. You can experiment to your hearts content without affecting your current system. Your PC is more than adequate to run FreeBSD (provided the hardware is supported), but would require an extra 128MB RAM for vmware. The problem is your version of Windows. Maybe you can buy a used copy of Windows 2000 from someone? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New to FreeBSD/UNIX
I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Thanks. Ed Powers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On 18/09/06, Edward and Nancy Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Thanks. Ed Powers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probably the best thing to do first is to find out which version of UNIX is covered on the DVD; there are many dialects, and if you choose the wrong one (i.e. one which is too different from the one on the DVD) you may become lost. Jeff Rollin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On 2006 Sep 18 , at 16:54, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. Installing FreeBSD (as a UNIX) for the first time is not that hard of a daunting task. In all beginner cases, it is recommended that beginners start with the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html The FreeBSD website also has very excellent documentation on how to install the system and how to use every aspect of it, for beginners thru experts, in the documentation section. http://www.freebsd.org/docs/books.html My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Most important is to have some way to backup and preserve your Windows data, or to resize your windows partition to make some room for FreeBSD. The FreeBSD base system CAN be installed in as little as a few hundred megabytes, but I would recommend a gigabyte or two, just to get used to the system, and to have some space to expand. This advice generally applies to other UNIX systems, and UNIX-Like systems. -- Adam David Alan Martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Someone suggested finding out what your guide book covered, but presuming it is pretty generic, FreeBSD will be fine to learn on. Since you want to leave your MS stuff on the machine, you have two choices. One is to shrink the disk slice that MS is using to make room for the other OS (FreeBSD). -- You didn't mention how much room you have on your disk, but I would suggest you want 10 GB or more to play with unless you don't plan to add Xwindows or a web server or an office system (OpenOffice) or a desktop/X manager. The other choice is to scrounge up another box to play with or at least to add another disk to the one you have. For shrinking the space that MS is using, I have had good luck with a product called Partition Magic. It is not freeware - around $70 and available from online stores and in places like Best Buy. There are a couple of Freeware utilities, and I think they work OK on plain vanilla FAT16 and FAT32 MS file systems, but they will not handle NTFS and some of the newer extended/logical partitions and I have had to muck with those. PM works fine on those too. Presuming you have disk space ready and are prepared to go, then: Download and burn or buy the latest FreeBSD ISO installation CD. If you have a fast network connection, just use the first boot-only CD and install everything else over the net. If your are on dial-up, get both CD-1 and CD-2. Plug in the CD and boot the machine. select doing the standard install Choose to install everything including the ports and X-Windows Put real life values in the network configuration screen. Specify your disk divisions and tell it to install the FreeBSD MBR (top choice of three) Make sure you hit the 's' in the fdisk part to make the slice bootable. How you divide the FreeBSD slice is by personal preference. I might suggest making at least: /(eg root) swap /tmp If you have disk room to divide up more, then add some of /usr /var /home The ones you do not create special room for will end up just being in / so that has to have enough room. If you make separate partitions for /usr and /var and /home, then your root can be small. I would say at least 128 MB, maybe 192 MB. Swap should be at least twice your installed memory. /tmp seems to be good at around 512 MB, although most of the time half that would be OK. The /usr partition needs to be rather big if you install a lot of ports.I have used up more than 10 GB in /usr doing installs before. That was when I built some things like OpenOFfice from ports instead of just using packages. /var gets a lot of things like logs and spool files (for printers and Email and databases, etc) If you don't do much with the machine, you can get by with less than 1 GB /var, but if you do a lot, go for 3 or 4 GB. Then, let the install rip. When it gets done, run xorgcfg to configure X and learn how to set up a windows manager. I use Afterstep. Some like to push KDE or Gnome, but they are overkill for me.For Afterstep, you can edit the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc to make it come up with the windows and fonts you want. You can also edit the file: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/afterstep/system.steprc if you want to use Afterstep. I just change it so when I click on the Netscape icon it brings up firefox instead of Netscape, since Netscape is gone, but still referenced by default. Guess I could put in a new icon too, but I haven't bothered. Of course, you will want to install Firefox and Thunderbird as browsers or if you use KDE, just use what it has. If you want it to receive Email, put sendmail_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf. The rest is all just fun to experiment and play with. Have fun, jerry Thanks. Ed Powers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:54:14PM -0400, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Oh, one more thing, I should have mentioned first. Check out the FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site. It is quire complete for installations and setting up the system. jerry Thanks. Ed Powers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? It sounds like what you want to do is to follow along with the DVD while doing their examples on a UNIX machine. Assuming this is the case, I would try do dig up another computer somewhere and install FreeBSD on it. For this sort of purpose, it doesn't need to be very fast or new. My mailserver is running 6.1 on a K6-2 at 400 MHz, and it's fine. Or, treat yourself to a new PC and then you'll have the P3 for experimenting. It is certainly possible (subject to available disk space) to repartition your existing drive and install FreeBSD on it as others have suggested, but then you'd be dual-booting. That is, you'd have to reboot to switch between FreeBSD and Windows, so you wouldn't be able to see both at once. I think this would be really tedious for what you're describing. Finally, I would not install X on the practice machine unless/unitl the tutorial has you do that. For a basic UNIX system in the form of FreeBSD, I would install the developer - full sources, but no X option from the CD. (That may not be worded quite right, it's from memory.) Hope this helps. Good luck, and welcome! Give us a shout when further questions arise. Almost forgot: another possibility is that some kind soul (or not-so-kind hosting company?) would be willing to give or rent you a shell account, so you could explore around on a remote system. The machine wouldn't be physically on your desk, but it would be in a window on your desktop. -- Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Thanks. Ed Powers If you want to do it on the cheap, try a LiveCD. http://www.freesbie.org Not sure if this distro would let you do what your DVD is asking you to do, but you can run it on your machine without changing your existing system. If money isn't a big deal, if I were in your shoes I would buy a new machine with XP, install whatever you want to play with on the old machine, and buy a KVM switch. I found FreeBSD a lot easier to learn while I had a working Windows machine that I was familiar with at my fingertips. IMHO, the problem your most likely to run into when trying to run two OS's on a single machine is that if you run into a problem, you have to reboot to get on a working system to get on the Internet and find help. Another option would be vmware, but I don't know if it will run on ME. According to their site, it's only listed as a guest system, not a host system. Best regards, Greg Groth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to FreeBSD/UNIX
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Edward and Nancy Powers wrote: I am new to UNIX, and want to download a basic UNIX system, just to run commands and become familiar with the system. I wish to use this system as a companion piece to a UNIX tutorial which I have on DVD. I do not want to replace Windows at this time. My PC has: Pentium III Processor at 1GHz, 128MB RAM at 133 MHz, Windows ME operating system. What course of action do you recommend that I take? Thanks. Another idea: First try a live CD (Freesbie), as recommended above, to get used to everything (won't do any harm). Then get a second hard drive and install freebsd on this (should be cheaper than buying Partition Magic). You can dual boot both systems then and leave your XP installation as is. Regards, Uli. Ed Powers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Im new to FreeBSD
[resending to newsgroup, since I only replied to the OP] Well, if Crossover Office ran on FreeBSD, I would probably never boot my windows machine except as reference to help family with windows problems. Your hardware issues are quite good enough. Applications: Most non-windows operating systems won't run windows apps. However, with the Wine poject, many will run. For example, I have been playing Master of Orion III on my my BSD machine under wine, and it runs _better_ than in Windows. However, getting office, corel photopaint, visual studios and trillian to install properly seems to be an effort in futility. Crossover office would fix many of these problems, but it doesn't seem to install on FreeBSD, and it seems there is some trickery involved, using multiple operating systems to get it to work (not worth the expert, unless you are a major tech savant I suspect). That being said, the advantages and disadvantages of FreeBSD over the other main x86 candidate, Linux, at least to my experience; (1) Installation - FreeBSD is probably one of the most unpleasant installers to learn, that I've found, it's a lot better in 6.0/6.1 though. It's not gui, which is OK, but there are confusing and redundant options, that let you go out of order, and change things at bad times somtimes, and unless you are quite knoledgeable in the process, you can go out of order and really screw things up. Also, the hard drive configuration tool can have issues with some drive/chipset combos (such as a 120GB IDE Western Digital drive on the IDE chipset of an A8N-E motherboard in my experience). NOTE: Once you learn this, it's not that bad, and to be honest, it's a one time thing. (2) Upkeep - FreeBSD is much easier to keep up than linux. (a) you have this mailing list. I've never seen anyone use RTFM here, and even if they do something similar things, they will at least tell you *where* to look. (b) The handbook is VERY well written, and is inordinately useful. (c) Googled howtos and docs for FreeBSD seem to be better written than the linux equivalents. They don't assume nearly as high of a user-knowledge as Linux docs tend to, which is nicer to the novices. (3) Oh Crap! - On those Oh Crap! moments, that happen to everyone, some strange thing happens and you have to fix some horrible error. FreeBSDs better documentation, and more helpful error messages make fixing the issues much easier. The hurried newbie will find him/her self reinstalling less, and fixing without reinstalling more, saving a lot of time and effort. BSD is much better here. (4) App install; I've had horrible luck with *nix app installs, they allways seem to have some compilation issue in the source file distributions, unless you have exactly the right setup, and RPMs tend to lead to dependancy hell worse than any I've ever seen, the yucky app yum doesn't help this much. Debians apt-get is better, but still has it's issues. Ports is insanely reliable, and issues in ports are relatively easy to fix. FreeBSD is much better here. (5) Windows application compatability - Crossover Office unfortunately doesn't work on FreeBSD, so Linux has an advantage here. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Im new to FreeBSD
Im very new to this and have some questions,Im looking for an operationg system to replace windows Xp on my computer.My computer has a celeron processor and 512 megabytes of memory.Is this enought to run freeBSD ?.And also,I have many applications,will they be compatible with freeBSD or will BSD come with everything I will need? (word processor,internet browser,ECT)... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Im new to FreeBSD
JASON HOWARD wrote: Im very new to this and have some questions,Im looking for an operationg system to replace windows Xp on my computer.My computer has a celeron processor and 512 megabytes of memory.Is this enought to run freeBSD ?.And also,I have many applications,will they be compatible with freeBSD or will BSD come with everything I will need? (word processor,internet browser,ECT)... FreeBSD should work fine with your hardware. as to your software, do not expect anything you currently have to run in FreeBSD. However, there are TONS of applications included with FreeBSD via the Ports collection that can replace the programs you use now. OpenOffice, Firefox, etc. should work just fine for you. Good luck in your new OS search. FreeBSD is a great one! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Im new to FreeBSD
Im very new to this and have some questions,Im looking for an operationg system to replace windows Xp on my computer.My computer has a celeron processor and 512 megabytes of memory.Is this enought to run freeBSD ?.And also,I have many applications,will they be compatible with freeBSD or will BSD come with everything I will need? (word processor,internet browser,ECT)... Also check a popular run-up PCBSD http://www.pcbsd.org/ which probably will serve you best if you're looking for replacement desktop, easy to install and configure. Tamouh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Im new to FreeBSD
why do all of these e-mails show up in my inboxxx please lemme know -Original Message- From: JASON HOWARD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Im new to FreeBSD Im very new to this and have some questions,Im looking for an operationg system to replace windows Xp on my computer.My computer has a celeron processor and 512 megabytes of memory.Is this enought to run freeBSD ?.And also,I have many applications,will they be compatible with freeBSD or will BSD come with everything I will need? (word processor,internet browser,ECT)... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Im new to FreeBSD
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 12:52:48PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do all of these e-mails show up in my inboxxx please lemme know Where should they show up? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't want to be subscribed to this list then see the above line starting with To unsubscribe -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
