Re: Freebsd installation problem with 3ware 8506-4LP - storage controller (RAID)

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sat Dec 24 23:42:28 2011
> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 00:38:04 -0500
> From: heat...@trans-world.org
> To: 
> Subject: Freebsd installation problem with 3ware 8506-4LP - storage
>  controller (RAID)
>
> Hello, we tried to instal Freebsd with my 3ware 8506-4LP - storage 
> controller (RAID)
> and it seems freebsd does not support my raid card could you please 
> tell me how to fox this problem?

Read the list of supported hardware. 

See: 
select "hardware notes' for the release version of the O/S you are using.

The '3Ware 8506-4LP" is listed there.

It requiress the 'twe' disk driver software, which _is_ provided by the 
standard distribution, *BUT* manual configuration is required.  you have
to do the indicated 'magic' for the installer before it will see the 
controller an disks as installation targets.  Then you have to do it  
AGAIN for the installed system, before booting it.

The 'twe' manpage describes what is required.  You can find it from the
hardware notes link mentioned above.  


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Re: freebsd installation order

[Michael Powell]

pwn wrote:
[snip]   
>>> on this page
>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html
>>> it says:
>>> Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will
>>> be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build
>>> only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to
>>> build the kernel:
>>> 
>>
>> It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would
>> save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel
>> builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile,
>> but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to
>> bother speeding them up trivial amounts.   Basically, this is
>> saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules
>> that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others.
>>
>> This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel
>> builds.
[snip]   
> 
> i got it =), although, imho kernel builds always affect system
> performance.(maybe not in general)
> i was just asking myself a away for simplify at extreme this tasks that
> sometime can take many time, i guess after configure FreeBSD on a
> machine i should copy some configuration files like, /etc/make.conf and
> a custom kernel in attempt to avoid repetitive tasks.

Note the docs are a little out of date wrt to 7.x and newer. While the
make.conf will still be used by gcc when building ports software(s), for
the system/kernel/modules this functionality has been moved
to /etc/src.conf. Reading man src.conf will explain the details.

-Mike


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Re: freebsd installation order

[pwn]

Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote:

  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

 
  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:
   


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:


 
  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
  
   


I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry

 
  

just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
   


Yup.   That is what I use.

 
  
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)
   


Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

 
  
As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
enought.


   


So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry
 
  
on this page 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
it says:
Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
build the kernel:



It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would
save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel
builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile,
but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to
bother speeding them up trivial amounts.   Basically, this is 
saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules

that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others.

This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel
builds.

jerry
  


i got it =), although, imho kernel builds always affect system 
performance.(maybe not in general)
i was just asking myself a away for simplify at extreme this tasks that 
sometime can take many time, i guess after configure FreeBSD on a 
machine i should copy some configuration files like, /etc/make.conf and 
a custom kernel in attempt to avoid repetitive tasks.
  
isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?



 
  
   

 
  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: freebsd installation order

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote:

> Jerry McAllister escreveu:
> >On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:
> >
> >  
> >>Jerry McAllister escreveu:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>  
> immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
> performed by order
> 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
> 2 - The Cutting Edge
> 3 - Updating FreeBSD
> 
> Is this the proper order?
>    
> 
> >>>I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
> >>>Then update the ports tree
> >>>Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
> >>>nothing is critical, just skip that.
> >>>
> >>>Then, install what ports you want and start running.
> >>>
> >>>As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
> >>>If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
> >>>do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
> >>>do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
> >>>in the latest security fixes with update.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>jerry
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>just to clarify
> >>
> >>I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
> >>tree
> >>Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
> >>provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
> >>
> >
> >Yup.   That is what I use.
> >
> >  
> >>Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
> >>Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)
> >>
> >
> >Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
> >is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
> >limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
> >in by default - some drivers, maybe.
> >
> >  
> >>As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
> >>Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
> >>enought.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So, yup.   You seem to have it.
> >
> >jerry
> >  
> on this page 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
> it says:
> Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
> be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
> only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
> build the kernel:

It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would
save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel
builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile,
but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to
bother speeding them up trivial amounts.   Basically, this is 
saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules
that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others.

This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel
builds.

jerry

> 
> isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
> there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
> why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
> also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
> to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
> used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?
> 
> >  
> >>
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>  
> there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
> since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
> followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
> possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
> the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
> conflicts or problems with ports.
> thank you.
> 
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Re: freebsd installation order

[pwn]

Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

 
  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
   


I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry
 
  

just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/



Yup.   That is what I use.

  
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)



Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

  
As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
enought.





So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry
  
on this page 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
it says:
Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
build the kernel:


isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?


  



 
  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: freebsd installation order

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

> Jerry McAllister escreveu:
> >On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:
> >
> >  
> >>immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
> >>performed by order
> >>1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
> >>2 - The Cutting Edge
> >>3 - Updating FreeBSD
> >>
> >>Is this the proper order?
> >>
> >
> >I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
> >Then update the ports tree
> >Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
> >nothing is critical, just skip that.
> >
> >Then, install what ports you want and start running.
> >
> >As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
> >If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
> >do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
> >do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
> >in the latest security fixes with update.
> >
> >
> >jerry
> >  
> 
> 
> just to clarify
> 
> I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
> tree
> Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
> provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

Yup.   That is what I use.

> 
> Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
> Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)

Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

> 
> As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
> Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
> enought.
> 

So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry

> 
> 
> 
> >  
> >>there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
> >>since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
> >>followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
> >>possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
> >>the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
> >>conflicts or problems with ports.
> >>thank you.
> >>
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Re: freebsd installation order

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Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?



I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry
  



just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)


As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought.





  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: freebsd installation order

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

> immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
> performed by order
> 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
> 2 - The Cutting Edge
> 3 - Updating FreeBSD
> 
> Is this the proper order?

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.


jerry

> there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
> since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
> followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
> possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
> the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
> conflicts or problems with ports.
> thank you.
> 
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Re: freebsd installation order

[pwn]

andrew clarke escreveu:

On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be  
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be  
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if  
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of  
the operating system and the installation of new applications without  
conflicts or problems with ports.



Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel.  Depending on your hardware and
software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC
kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure
that.  These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and
configure it from /boot/loader.conf.  For a desktop machine it may
just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card.

If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run
freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the
kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after
a reboot.  There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little
downtime.

Re: The Cutting Edge.  In simple terms I would not bother with any of
this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the
operating system.  If you just want something that works reliably,
stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to
upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4).  freebsd-update is
brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless.  Which leads me
to...

Re: Updating FreeBSD.  Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this.  You
should know how to install packages from the command-line using
pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and
Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use
portsnap (another brilliant tool).

Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software
from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't
talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade
(my personal opinion).

  

thank you.



Regards
Andrew
  


Andrew, nice answer very enlightening, the steps you mention im already 
familiar with them.
at this moment im using a customised kernel, FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and 
all ports tree updated, i just want to know the ascending order that 
should be followed after an installation, thank you.


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Re: freebsd installation order

[andrew clarke]

On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be  
> performed by order
> 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
> 2 - The Cutting Edge
> 3 - Updating FreeBSD
>
> Is this the proper order?
> there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
> since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be  
> followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if  
> possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of  
> the operating system and the installation of new applications without  
> conflicts or problems with ports.

Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel.  Depending on your hardware and
software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC
kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure
that.  These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and
configure it from /boot/loader.conf.  For a desktop machine it may
just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card.

If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run
freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the
kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after
a reboot.  There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little
downtime.

Re: The Cutting Edge.  In simple terms I would not bother with any of
this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the
operating system.  If you just want something that works reliably,
stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to
upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4).  freebsd-update is
brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless.  Which leads me
to...

Re: Updating FreeBSD.  Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this.  You
should know how to install packages from the command-line using
pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and
Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use
portsnap (another brilliant tool).

Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software
from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't
talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade
(my personal opinion).

> thank you.

Regards
Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Mel]

On Friday 19 September 2008 12:17:35 Oliver Fromme wrote:
> Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Matthew Seaman wrote:
>  > > Mel wrote:
>  > > > that's aside from the fact that the root partition '/' always has to
>  > > > be the first partition, for the simple reason that everything else
>  > > > is mounted on top of it.
>  > >
>  > > It's not the partition device names that determine the mount order,
>  > > but the order of the entries in /etc/fstab.
>  >
>  > Actually not even the order in /etc/fstab matters.  You can
>  > place the root file system last and it will still work.
>
> Uhm, just to be sure:  We are talking about the *root* file
> system here.
>
> Of course, the order of the *remaining* file systems in
> /etc/fstab (without "noauto" flag) *does* matter, because
> this is the order in which they are mounted by the RC
> scripts.  Only the root file system is special.

Yeah, I was too short in previous reply, but since sysinstall both picks 
partition name and writes /etc/fstab the end result for the user is the 
same. "First do root, then the rest and don't create partitions that are 
supposed to be put on top of another partition, before creating that 
partition first".

> PS:  BTW, Mel, your email address doesn't work.  I get
> bounces from your mail server.

I know, still been too lazy to implement whitelisting, so anything 
not .freebsd.org at RCPT TO: is bounced. Maybe this time the post-it will 
stick to my monitor ;)

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Oliver Fromme]

Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > Matthew Seaman wrote:
 > > Mel wrote:
 > > > that's aside from the fact that the root partition '/' always has to be 
 > > > the 
 > > > first partition, for the simple reason that everything else is mounted 
 > > > on top 
 > > > of it.
 > > 
 > > It's not the partition device names that determine the mount order, but
 > > the order of the entries in /etc/fstab.
 > 
 > Actually not even the order in /etc/fstab matters.  You can
 > place the root file system last and it will still work.

Uhm, just to be sure:  We are talking about the *root* file
system here.

Of course, the order of the *remaining* file systems in
/etc/fstab (without "noauto" flag) *does* matter, because
this is the order in which they are mounted by the RC
scripts.  Only the root file system is special.

Best regards
   Oliver

PS:  BTW, Mel, your email address doesn't work.  I get
bounces from your mail server.

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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Oliver Fromme]

Matthew Seaman wrote:
 > Mel wrote:
 > > that's aside from the fact that the root partition '/' always has to be 
 > > the 
 > > first partition, for the simple reason that everything else is mounted on 
 > > top 
 > > of it.
 > 
 > It's not the partition device names that determine the mount order, but
 > the order of the entries in /etc/fstab.

Actually not even the order in /etc/fstab matters.  You can
place the root file system last and it will still work.
The important thing is that the root file system must be
partition "a" in the label, because this is hardcoded in
the boot loader (and probably in a few other places, too).

The boot loader then hands the location of the root file
system to the kernel.  (However, it is possible to override
it, so in fact you can have a root file system different
from the file system containing /boot.  This is how booting
with rootfs on ZFS works.)

Later in the process, the /etc/rc script (and its children
in /etc/rc.d/*) uses information from /etc/fstab to locate
the root file system for fsck and to remount it read/write.
Of course it is identified by its mountpoint ("/"), not by
the position of the entry within /etc/fstab.

So the order in /etc/fstab really doesn't matter.
Just make sure that your root file system is partition "a".

Best regards
   Oliver

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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Matthew Seaman]

Mel wrote:

that's aside from the fact that the root partition '/' always has to be the 
first partition, for the simple reason that everything else is mounted on top 
of it.


For the same reason:
/dev/ad1se  /usr/local 
/dev/ad1sf  /usr

will not work.
For this particular case (root not first mount), sysinstall could be made 
smarter.


It's not the partition device names that determine the mount order, but
the order of the entries in /etc/fstab.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Mel]

On Thursday 18 September 2008 16:26:43 Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 03:49:37PM +0300, Robert Lebovich wrote:
> > I'm trying to install freeBSD on my pc, but after the installation it
> > doesn't boot. It can't find the kernel.
> > I think it is the problem with my partitioning. i'm trying this order:
> > /boot
> > swap
> > /
> > /var
> > /usr
> > Can you help me how to install in this order?
>
> Do not make a '/boot' partition separate from '/'.
> It won't work.

that's aside from the fact that the root partition '/' always has to be the 
first partition, for the simple reason that everything else is mounted on top 
of it.

For the same reason:
/dev/ad1se  /usr/local 
/dev/ad1sf  /usr

will not work.
For this particular case (root not first mount), sysinstall could be made 
smarter.

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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

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On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 03:49:37PM +0300, Robert Lebovich wrote:
> I'm trying to install freeBSD on my pc, but after the installation it  
> doesn't boot. It can't find the kernel.
> I think it is the problem with my partitioning. i'm trying this order:
> /boot
> swap
> /
> /var
> /usr
> Can you help me how to install in this order?

Do not make a '/boot' partition separate from '/'.
It won't work.




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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Alain G. Fabry]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 03:32:09PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> 
> Robert Lebovich skrev:
> >I'm trying to install freeBSD on my pc, but after the installation it 
> >doesn't boot. It can't find the kernel.
> >I think it is the problem with my partitioning. i'm trying this order:
> >/boot
> >swap
> >/
> >/var
> >/usr
> >Can you help me how to install in this order?
> >___

Have you already tried the 'auto default' when creating the partitions?

Any particular reason why you created a /boot ?


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Re: FreeBSD installation doesn't work

[Leslie Jensen]

Robert Lebovich skrev:
I'm trying to install freeBSD on my pc, but after the installation it 
doesn't boot. It can't find the kernel.

I think it is the problem with my partitioning. i'm trying this order:
/boot
swap
/
/var
/usr
Can you help me how to install in this order?
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Did you install the boot loader?

Is the slice set for boot (active)?

/Leslie

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Re: FreeBSD Installation

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Beech Rintoul wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 23 May 2006 20:44, Afrose Fathima wrote:
>>  Hi,
>> I am trying to install FreeBSD 6.1 on a DELL box.I have dowloaded the
>> 6.1-Release ISO images from
>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/r...ISO-IMAGES/6.1/>/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.1/> .
>> Its gives us the ISO's for three CD's bootonly,disc1,disc2.But when we
>> try
>> to install starting with the bootonly disc it misses out on a few screens
>> and also gives messages regarding unavailability of a few packages etc.
>> Also it does not ask for the insertion of the other CDs at any point of
>> the
>> installation.
>>
>> Request for some help as soon as possible.
> 
> The "boot only" is just that with a few tools. If you're installing, you
> want 
> to start with disc1. The FreeBSD Handbook is your friend.
> 
> Beech
> 

I had the same problem installing 6.2 release.
This is mentioned only once in the section 2.13.1 of the handbook. I think
that many beginers tend to go step-by-step on the installation and when
learning something new and this notion should be pointed out somewhat
earlier in chapter 2.

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Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64

[sergio lenzi]

I use an ACER notebook 5050 with 2 partitions (one i386, and other
amd64)
the amd64 is faster,  the software is very stable, and everything
works...

I do not use the sleep mode, the freebsd kernel keeps the processor
halted when not
in use, so the battery lasts longer, and the boot (total boot is less
than 30 seconds...)
to have the gnome 2.22 up and ready... with all I need in my working day
(office, 
emai, multimedia, games, software develop, voip,  phone calls...
and internet)is 

This weekend I will format the i386 partition and install amd64 over
it ..  I am very satisfied
with the amd64 of FreeBSD, indeed is now working in all 6 notebooks if
the family (brothers,
sons, daughters...) The only "slow"  thing we have was the evolution (in
gnome) now it
is as faster as other applications in the computer


Sergio
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Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64

[Dominic Fandrey]

Sébastien Morand wrote:

Hi,

...

So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know :
Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and
compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch?


For a desktop i386 is still the better choice and unless you have more than 3G 
of RAM there are no downsides, but many advantages. E.g. acpi sleep states are 
only implemented for i386. I'm running amd64 on my notebook and the price is 
high. No suspend to ram or to disk (even though I have s4bios support), and 
not even cpu stepping (at least not the clock speed stepping only idle calls 
and they make /no/ difference at all).


All these things would work if I ran i386, but I want to be there when they 
start working on amd64.


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Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64

[Danny Pansters]

On Tuesday 01 April 2008 15:06:24 Ivan Voras wrote:
> Sébastien Morand wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying
> > to migrate to FreeBSD.
> > My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC
> > / USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer
>
> This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's
> very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential
> components.
>
> > So nothing to worry about except the AMD64. I read that FreeBSD i386
> > installation is faster on AMD64 than amd64.
>
> This is not very likely, or at least as valid as in any other comparison
> between a 32-bit and a 64-bit operating systems.
>
> > I installed amd64 and was quite
> > disappointed by the performance issue, particularly because the nv driver
> > is not good, and I got a lot of slowdown when some operations are made
> > within X server.
>
> Yes, nVidia doesn't have good FreeBSD drivers, and I think they don't
> have any drivers for 64-bit FreeBSD. You're probably using the default

As you should know, they have a published wishlist of certain kernel 
requirements that "we" have yet to implement.

> X.Org drivers, which have only basic functionality.

I found that with a gforce (SLI) card in my amd64 box I have to disable any 
and all HW acceleration. The xorg drivers have more functionality but it 
needs to be disabled for xorg to work at all without freezing (with anything 
multithreaded -- this last observation is mine).

People send one complaint after another but no one seems to be able to connect 
the dots let alone look at the real problems. And no, I don't care enough 
about my spare (testing) box to fix it but the problems are real.

>
> > So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know :
> > Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and
> > compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch?
> > Will I be able to install nvidia drivers and every i386 tools? (I got
> > "only working under i386" several times when installing port)
> > Are there other issues I should be aware of using such an installation?
>
> While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some
> of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between,
> and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org
> issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with
> specific ports, try stable@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be ready for a lot of
> manual configuration (as compared to Linux).

It's considered TIER-1. It doesn't come close.

Dan
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Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64

[Bob Johnson]

On 4/1/08, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sébastien Morand wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying
> to
> > migrate to FreeBSD.
> > My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC /
> > USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer
>
> This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's
> very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential
> components.

I rarely run into that, but the Envy24ht does seem to be a candidate
for that problem. And I think it's a sound card, not network. USB
scanners are another potential problem, but if your scanner has a SANE
driver, it ought to work. See
http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html

[...]
> While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some
> of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between,
> and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org
> issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with
> specific ports, try stable@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be ready for a lot of
> manual configuration (as compared to Linux).

There seem to be lots of people using FreeBSD with a graphical
desktop. I do, and it works fine. If you are big into watching Flash
videos or playing Flash games on assorted web sites, you may have
problems, as Flash 7 is the latest version that works well and many
websites want Flash 9, which still has stability issues. YouTube works
with Flash 7, FWIW.

There may be some Linux programs you are accustomed to that either
don't run right on FreeBSD, or are not in the ports system so you have
to manually install them.

Installing FreeBSD i386 on an amd64 machine also works fine - and in
some respects it is better than running amd64 on an amd64 machine. At
present, there are some programs you are likely to want to use that
work on FreeBSD i386 but not FreeBSD amd64. And some have said that
amd64 uses more memory (maybe bigger word size means bigger
structures?) -- if so, that's a good reason to install FreeBSD i386 if
you only have 1 g of memory.

I've had trouble with the latest nVidia proprietary driver, but I was
upgrading an old system and haven't yet tried to see what happens with
a fresh install of the nVidia driver. The open source "nv" driver
works, but has very limited feature support (doesn't support multiple
monitors, for instance). I've also had problems with the ATI
"radeonhd" driver on one system, but not on another with a very
similar video card (the problems appear when I use multi-headed
displays). In other words, the only way to be sure what will happen
with your particular video card is to try it.

Good luck. A test installation of FreeBSD should go quickly enough
that it is not a big deal. If you use KDE, install it from packages
(precompiled) rather than compiling the port and you will save heaps
of time.

- Bob
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Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64

[Ivan Voras]

Sébastien Morand wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying to
> migrate to FreeBSD.
> My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC /
> USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer

This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's
very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential
components.

> So nothing to worry about except the AMD64. I read that FreeBSD i386
> installation is faster on AMD64 than amd64. 

This is not very likely, or at least as valid as in any other comparison
between a 32-bit and a 64-bit operating systems.

> I installed amd64 and was quite
> disappointed by the performance issue, particularly because the nv driver is
> not good, and I got a lot of slowdown when some operations are made within X
> server.

Yes, nVidia doesn't have good FreeBSD drivers, and I think they don't
have any drivers for 64-bit FreeBSD. You're probably using the default
X.Org drivers, which have only basic functionality.

> So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know :
> Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and
> compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch?
> Will I be able to install nvidia drivers and every i386 tools? (I got "only
> working under i386" several times when installing port)
> Are there other issues I should be aware of using such an installation?

While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some
of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between,
and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org
issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Suggestion

[Jonathan Horne]

On Monday 06 August 2007 07:46:01 Christopher Key wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm about to install FreeBSD for the first time on a new machine and
> have a few questions:
>
> 1) The motherboard is an Intel DQ964GF, which uses the ICH8 chipset.  Is
> it better to use this in IDE or AHCI mode?  (The system will be booting
> from a S-ATA disk)
>
> 2) Are there any good documents discussing the relative merits of using
> i386 / amd64?
>
> 3) Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to perform the
> installation.  The machine has no floppy or CD-ROM drive, and it's not
> really convenient to temporarily add them as I may well end up going
> through the install procedure several times.  The options seem to be
> either a USB flash drive (any thoughts on how to get a UFS file system
> and FreeBSD MBR on there using only WinXP), or via the network.
>
> Any advice much appreciated,
>
> Chris
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i was in process of building a system on that same board (but mine was 965?) 
last week, and tho i didnt take the time to troubleshoot the issue, i never 
could get the actual install to copy the data to the drive. the cdrom drive 
kept saying acd15 (or something like that, instead of the norm acd0).

long story short, i picked my board from from ebay, and the thermal sensors 
were trashed.  the board always read 85-87C, and had a chronic thermal'ing 
problem.  (thankfully, the seller took it back with a refund).

but, the problem i was having wit the cdrom drive was not looking like it was 
going to be a pleasant one.
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Re: freebsd installation server (nfs/ftp/http) local network

[Watanabe Kazuhiro]

Hello.

Did you read the following document?

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-diff-media.html

At Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:01:07 -0700,
Anuj Singh wrote:
> Hiee,
> it is not on a public network, all i am trying to know how to do it, I do
> the same method for installing linux os, I exported FreeBSD6.2 ISO images
> via nfs. it didn't worked. Do I need to extract the files? to install
> freebsd via nfs, or ftp or http over a local network.
> regards
> anugunj anuj
> 
> On 4/29/07, Garrett Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > anujgunj anuj singh wrote:
> > > Hiee,
> > > I have ISO images on network pc, I want to perform a network
> > > installation using nfs OR ftp OR http.
> > > Plus what is the best way of installation (package selection) to not to
> > > switch cd's between 2 cd's.
> > > regards
> > > anugunj anuj
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 23:37 +0400, Reshmakov Roman wrote:
> > >>> Hiee,
> > >>> I need to create a nfs/ftp/http installation server threw which I can
> > >>> install FreeBSD on other local machines. I have ISO images of
> > >>> FreeBSD6.2.
> > >>> How to create any or all nfs/ftp/http installation server. I went
> > threw
> > >>> man pages it shows me CDROM sharing network installation. I want to
> > >>> install with ISO images on hard-disk.
> > >>> Thanks and regards
> > >>> anugunj anuj
> > >> Use dump/restore and Fix-it from installation CD-ROM. I use this
> > >> method and install new server over 20-30 min.
> >
> > All will equally serve the purpose of helping you install the files on
> > your target machine. NFS is the least computing intensive option though
> > and doesn't require additional components to be installed in order to
> > use an NFS server. I would suggest not using this though if concerned
> > about security issues, i.e. your machine is running on a
> > unsecured/public network.
> >
> > -Garrett
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Re: freebsd installation server (nfs/ftp/http) local network

[Anuj Singh]

Hiee,
it is not on a public network, all i am trying to know how to do it, I do
the same method for installing linux os, I exported FreeBSD6.2 ISO images
via nfs. it didn't worked. Do I need to extract the files? to install
freebsd via nfs, or ftp or http over a local network.
regards
anugunj anuj



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anujgunj anuj singh wrote:
> Hiee,
> I have ISO images on network pc, I want to perform a network
> installation using nfs OR ftp OR http.
> Plus what is the best way of installation (package selection) to not to
> switch cd's between 2 cd's.
> regards
> anugunj anuj
>
> On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 23:37 +0400, Reshmakov Roman wrote:
>>> Hiee,
>>> I need to create a nfs/ftp/http installation server threw which I can
>>> install FreeBSD on other local machines. I have ISO images of
>>> FreeBSD6.2.
>>> How to create any or all nfs/ftp/http installation server. I went
threw
>>> man pages it shows me CDROM sharing network installation. I want to
>>> install with ISO images on hard-disk.
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> anugunj anuj
>> Use dump/restore and Fix-it from installation CD-ROM. I use this
>> method and install new server over 20-30 min.

All will equally serve the purpose of helping you install the files on
your target machine. NFS is the least computing intensive option though
and doesn't require additional components to be installed in order to
use an NFS server. I would suggest not using this though if concerned
about security issues, i.e. your machine is running on a
unsecured/public network.

-Garrett


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Re: freebsd installation server (nfs/ftp/http) local network

[Garrett Cooper]

anujgunj anuj singh wrote:

Hiee,
I have ISO images on network pc, I want to perform a network
installation using nfs OR ftp OR http.
Plus what is the best way of installation (package selection) to not to
switch cd's between 2 cd's.
regards
anugunj anuj 


On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 23:37 +0400, Reshmakov Roman wrote:

Hiee,
I need to create a nfs/ftp/http installation server threw which I can
install FreeBSD on other local machines. I have ISO images of
FreeBSD6.2. 
How to create any or all nfs/ftp/http installation server. I went threw

man pages it shows me CDROM sharing network installation. I want to
install with ISO images on hard-disk.
Thanks and regards
anugunj anuj

Use dump/restore and Fix-it from installation CD-ROM. I use this
method and install new server over 20-30 min.


All will equally serve the purpose of helping you install the files on 
your target machine. NFS is the least computing intensive option though 
and doesn't require additional components to be installed in order to 
use an NFS server. I would suggest not using this though if concerned 
about security issues, i.e. your machine is running on a 
unsecured/public network.


-Garrett
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Re: freebsd installation server (nfs/ftp/http) local network

[anujgunj anuj singh]

Hiee,
I have ISO images on network pc, I want to perform a network
installation using nfs OR ftp OR http.
Plus what is the best way of installation (package selection) to not to
switch cd's between 2 cd's.
regards
anugunj anuj 

On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 23:37 +0400, Reshmakov Roman wrote:
> > Hiee,
> > I need to create a nfs/ftp/http installation server threw which I can
> > install FreeBSD on other local machines. I have ISO images of
> > FreeBSD6.2. 
> > How to create any or all nfs/ftp/http installation server. I went threw
> > man pages it shows me CDROM sharing network installation. I want to
> > install with ISO images on hard-disk.
> > Thanks and regards
> > anugunj anuj
> 
> Use dump/restore and Fix-it from installation CD-ROM. I use this
> method and install new server over 20-30 min.
> 
> 


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Re: freebsd installation server (nfs/ftp/http) local network

[Reshmakov Roman]

> Hiee,
> I need to create a nfs/ftp/http installation server threw which I can
> install FreeBSD on other local machines. I have ISO images of
> FreeBSD6.2. 
> How to create any or all nfs/ftp/http installation server. I went threw
> man pages it shows me CDROM sharing network installation. I want to
> install with ISO images on hard-disk.
> Thanks and regards
> anugunj anuj

Use dump/restore and Fix-it from installation CD-ROM. I use this
method and install new server over 20-30 min.


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Re: FreeBSD Installation CD Creation

[Jason McAlpine]

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> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Walt Haynes wrote:
>
>
>> I'm having a tough time creating the two 6.1-release
>> installation CD's. I was told that it was best to go to
>>
>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.1/
>>
>>
>> and download the 6.1 RELEASE disc1 and disc2 ISO images in Windows, and
>> use your favorite toaster to rip CDs. (My CD 'toaster' is Nero OEM
>> 6.6.0.13.)
>> Then boot from disc1 to install. When I attempt to do this, it's like
>> the CD is either empty or unreadable. I'd love to know what I'm doing
>> wrong. I've tried this 4 times now and it's a bit frustrating. I have
>> the .ISO files in my recycle bin. Is there a way for me to convert them
>>  to CD images from which I can boot my Windows XP system and install
>> FreeBSD in my available 20 GB primary partition?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Walt Haynes
>>
>>
>>
On Sun, July 9, 2006 2:51 pm, doug wrote:
> If the FreeBSD CD is formated properly you should be able to see the CD's
>  directory structure using windows explorer. If you can not do that, you
> did not choose the option to burn the CD from an ISO image. Burning from
> an ISO image is directly writing each track.
>
>


If you use nero choose BURN IMAGE or CREATE CD FROM IMAGE this will burn
the ISO image correctly
other tools such as alzip winrar and many other free applications can
extract and edit ISO images.

Best of luck

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Re: FreeBSD Installation CD Creation

[doug]

If the FreeBSD CD is formated properly you should be able to see the CD's 
directory structure using windows explorer. If you can not do that, you did not 
choose the option to burn the CD from an ISO image. Burning from an ISO image is 
directly writing each track.




On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, Walt Haynes wrote:


I'm having a tough time creating the two 6.1-release
installation CD's. I was told that it was best to go to

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.1/

and download the 6.1 RELEASE disc1 and disc2 ISO images in Windows,
and use your favorite toaster to rip CDs. (My CD 'toaster' is Nero OEM
6.6.0.13.)
Then boot from disc1 to install. When I attempt to do this, it's like
the CD is either empty or unreadable. I'd love to know what I'm doing
wrong. I've tried this 4 times now and it's a bit frustrating. I have
the .ISO files in my recycle bin. Is there a way for me to convert them
to CD images from which I can boot my Windows XP system and install
FreeBSD in my available 20 GB primary partition?

Sincerely,
Walt Haynes


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Re: FreeBSD Installation CD Creation

[Robert C Wittig]

Walt Haynes wrote:

I'm having a tough time creating the two 6.1-release
installation CD's. I was told that it was best to go to

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.1/

and download the 6.1 RELEASE disc1 and disc2 ISO images in Windows, 
and use your favorite toaster to rip CDs. (My CD 'toaster' is Nero OEM

6.6.0.13.)
Then boot from disc1 to install. When I attempt to do this, it's like
the CD is either empty or unreadable. I'd love to know what I'm doing
wrong. I've tried this 4 times now and it's a bit frustrating. I have
the .ISO files in my recycle bin. Is there a way for me to convert them
to CD images from which I can boot my Windows XP system and install
FreeBSD in my available 20 GB primary partition?


Yes. In Nero, select the 'Copy and Backup' function, and then, in the 
choices (icons) that this brings up, select 'Burn Image to Disk'.


Then, you will have to change 'File Types' to 'Image Files' to browse 
for the *.iso image, because Nero defaults to 'Nero native' image files.




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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[Gerard Seibert]

Afrose Fathima wrote:

>  Hi, I am trying to install FreeBSD 6.1 on a DELL box.I have dowloaded
> the 6.1-Release ISO images from 
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/r...ISO-IMAGE
> S/6.1/ .
> Its gives us the ISO's for three CD's bootonly,disc1,disc2.But when
> we try to install starting with the bootonly disc it misses out on a
> few screens and also gives messages regarding unavailability of a few
> packages etc. Also it does not ask for the insertion of the other CDs
> at any point of the installation. Request for some help as soon as
> possible.

I use the boot-only disk to install FSBD. You need FTP access to make it
work. If you cannot make an FTP connection, then you will need to use
disk 1 to install FSBD.


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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[Beech Rintoul]

On Tuesday 23 May 2006 20:44, Afrose Fathima wrote:
>  Hi,
> I am trying to install FreeBSD 6.1 on a DELL box.I have dowloaded the
> 6.1-Release ISO images from
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/r...ISO-IMAGES/6.1//pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.1/> .
> Its gives us the ISO's for three CD's bootonly,disc1,disc2.But when we try
> to install starting with the bootonly disc it misses out on a few screens
> and also gives messages regarding unavailability of a few packages etc.
> Also it does not ask for the insertion of the other CDs at any point of the
> installation.
>
> Request for some help as soon as possible.

The "boot only" is just that with a few tools. If you're installing, you want 
to start with disc1. The FreeBSD Handbook is your friend.

Beech
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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[Erik Trulsson]

On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 10:14:58AM +0530, Afrose Fathima wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to install FreeBSD 6.1 on a DELL box.I have dowloaded the
> 6.1-Release ISO images from
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/r...ISO-IMAGES/6.1/
> .
> Its gives us the ISO's for three CD's bootonly,disc1,disc2.But when we try
> to install starting with the bootonly disc it misses out on a few screens
> and also gives messages regarding unavailability of a few packages etc. Also
> it does not ask for the insertion of the other CDs at any point of the
> installation.

bootonly is a stripped-down version of disc1 and does not contain the set of
packages included on disc1.


For normal installation use disc1 and disc2, starting with disc1, and ignore
bootonly.


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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[FreeBsdBeni]

On Thursday 05 May 2005 02:26, Sebastian Reichelt wrote:
> Hello!
>
> As a programmer and computer science student, I wanted to try out
> FreeBSD on my old computer (Pentium 166). Mainly I just want to get to
> know the differences between FreeBSD and Linux, and see whether it
> really has a better design (which many people I know claim).
>
> However, so far I have not been able to install it on my hard drive. I
> have already spent several days on this. Please help me, this is
> becoming really frustrating.
>

You can also have a look at http://www.pcbsd.org/ 

From their website : 

PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy to install and use desktop OS, which is 
built on the FreeBSD operating system. To accomplish this, it currently has a 
graphical installation, which will enable even UNIX novices to easily install 
and get it running. It will also come with KDE pre-built, so that the desktop 
can be used immediately. Currently in development is a graphical software 
installation program, which will make installing pre-built software as easy 
as other popular operating systems.

Beni.


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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Sebastian Reichelt]

I changed some BIOS settings, and now it works. Thanks for your help.
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RE: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sebastian
> Reichelt
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:56 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror
>
>
> Now I got the CD from someone else, and finally the installation went
> well. It would still have been nice if all the things I described had
> just worked. I was able to install Debian without any problems, even
> though I didn't have any Unix experience at all. Compared to that, the
> FreeBSD installation should have been a piece of cake for me now. If I
> have to spend several days on it, I think a normal computer would give
> up without getting very far.
>

FreeBSD isn't written for normal computer users.  It's not deliberately
written to be difficult, but it simply is difficult for normal users,
in the same way that a Formula 1 race car would be rather difficult for
your mother to drive, I'd wager.

If you put the effort and time into it you will learn a lot and get many
benefits.  However most normal computer users don't want to put a lot of
time into a computer, they just want it to "work" meaning work in
whatever
definition of work that they have for a computer.  Many of the Linux
distributions have chosen to make a special effort to cater to these
people, and that is fine for them.  FreeBSD has chosen not to make a
special effort to cater to this group, and that is fine too.  You as
a user need to choose which approach you want to take and use the
appropriate operating system for that approach.

> Anyway, trying to establish a PPP connection still crashes the entire
> system. Actually, it's probably the serial port driver: It
> also crashes
> when I just do:
> echo "Hello" >/dev/cuaa0

What is your dmesg output?  The above should not crash the computer.

Ted

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Luke Dean]

I downloaded the three floppy images for 5.3-RELEASE and dd'ed them on the 
disks. Then I booted the installation and tried to partition my hard drive. 
To my surprise, the partition table shown by the installation was complete 
nonsense. I figured it probably had something to do with the fact that my 
BIOS doesn't support the disk size. I'm using the OnTrack disk manager to fix 
the problem for Windows. So I booted from the disk, and used the OnTrack 
feature to boot from a floppy after OnTrack has been loaded. The partition 
table was exactly the same junk, though. I also tried different geometries 
(reported by LILO, BIOS, FreeBSD installation, etc.), but this didn't change 
the view of the partition table either.
I was able to install FreeBSD 5.2 on a machine of this generation that 
didn't support large partitions either, but it wasn't easy. 
Windows-based workarounds like OnTrack won't work.

The trick I used was to make a primary bootable partition on the hard 
drive that fit within the size limitations that the BIOS could natively 
understand.  (I don't have that number in front of me right now, I'm 
sorry.)  Put the parts of FreeBSD that you need to boot in this partition 
and boot from it.  Once FreeBSD boots, it's able to support large 
partitions that your old BIOS can't understand, so you can mount the rest 
of your hard drive, no matter how large it is.
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Sebastian Reichelt]

a normal computer
Oops, that should read: "a normal computer user". :-)
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Sebastian Reichelt]

Now I got the CD from someone else, and finally the installation went 
well. It would still have been nice if all the things I described had 
just worked. I was able to install Debian without any problems, even 
though I didn't have any Unix experience at all. Compared to that, the 
FreeBSD installation should have been a piece of cake for me now. If I 
have to spend several days on it, I think a normal computer would give 
up without getting very far.

Anyway, trying to establish a PPP connection still crashes the entire 
system. Actually, it's probably the serial port driver: It also crashes 
when I just do:
echo "Hello" >/dev/cuaa0
Any ideas?

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[Rob]

Sebastian Reichelt wrote:
> 
> As a programmer and computer science student, I
> wanted to try out FreeBSD on my old computer
> (Pentium 166). Mainly I just want to get to know
> the differences between FreeBSD and Linux, and see
> whether it really has a better design (which many
> people I know claim).

Sebastian,

About 5 years ago, I made the transition form Linux
to FreeBSD. That also gave me some headaches, and the
first few times nothing seemed to work.
Slowly I learnt that FreeBSD (Installation & OS) does
things quite different. Ever since I got the hang of
how these things worked, I never used anything else
than FreeBSD. Anyway, I hope this helps you a bit
deal with your current frustration.

I also run FreeBSD 5.3 on an old Pentium-1:
 Pentium/P54C (149.69-MHz 586-class CPU)
 real memory  = 33554432 (32 MB)

Note: you need at least 24 MB during installation.
On a running system, you can do with less.

Boot from the floppies. Then:

1) FDISK Partition editor
I recommend to ignore any geometry issues here.
Delete all existing slices, and say 'A', to use the
entire disk. If I remember well, the geometry issues
are irrelevant when you dedicate the entire disk to
FreeBSD.

2) Install Boot Manager
I always choose "BootMgr" here.

3) FreeBSD Disklabel Editor
Initially you should have no entries here (if you
have, remove them); then choose 'A' autodefaults.
These autodefaults will be fine for a first time
installation rehearsal :).
Leave the finetuning for subsequent installations,
when you are more familiar with it.

4) Choose Distributions
Choose here "The smallest configuration possible".
This will give you a running FreeBSD system in a
minimal amount of installation time.

5) Media
Since you have CDs, choose here
"Install from a FreeBSD CD/DVD".

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Does this help you overcome the issues you
encountered earlier?

Rob.

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RE: FreeBSD Installation Horror

[fbsd_user]

Your pc is so old that the bios do not support LBA in native mode.
You have to upgrade your bios chip on the motherboard. check out
http://www.unicore.com/ for replacement chip. OnTrack is designed
for ms/windows only.  In a nut shell 5.3 does support your very old
motherboard. You may have better luck with 4.11  If the cdrom you
burned for 5.3 install has only single file then you created it
incorrectly. Extended partitions are a windows thing only.  You are
mixing windows things with old bios and FreeBSD and it will never
work.

check out this install guide it may help you with creating install
cdrom.

http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php



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Hello!

As a programmer and computer science student, I wanted to try out
FreeBSD on my old computer (Pentium 166). Mainly I just want to get
to
know the differences between FreeBSD and Linux, and see whether it
really has a better design (which many people I know claim).

However, so far I have not been able to install it on my hard drive.
I
have already spent several days on this. Please help me, this is
becoming really frustrating.

I downloaded the three floppy images for 5.3-RELEASE and dd'ed them
on
the disks. Then I booted the installation and tried to partition my
hard drive. To my surprise, the partition table shown by the
installation was complete nonsense. I figured it probably had
something
to do with the fact that my BIOS doesn't support the disk size. I'm
using the OnTrack disk manager to fix the problem for Windows. So I
booted from the disk, and used the OnTrack feature to boot from a
floppy after OnTrack has been loaded. The partition table was
exactly
the same junk, though. I also tried different geometries (reported
by
LILO, BIOS, FreeBSD installation, etc.), but this didn't change the
view of the partition table either.

OK, so I emptied another (smaller) disk and tried to install FreeBSD
on
it. I have a PPP connection to another PC over a serial cable on
COM1,
which works fine from Windows. (The other PC is running Linux with a
script to emulate a modem.) So I thought I would use the same link
for
the FreeBSD installation. I selected PPP on COM1, then it ran the
PPP
program, but this program always crashes the entire computer after a
few seconds, even if I don't type anything.

Of course, then I got someone to burn me a CD. I booted from the CD,
but then the kernel said it couldn't figure out which drive it was
booting from. Apparently it had not detected the CDROM at all for
some
reason. So I had to boot from floppy over and over again. (It would
be
nice to be able to put the installation program on a small hard disk
partition.) Then I selected CD as the installation medium. Somehow
the
CDROM has some problems reading the CD; this is not FreeBSD's fault,
of
course. However, when it gets to the bad locations, usually it
reports
a page fault and reboots! Now this is getting really annoying...

By now, I have tried to get the CD burnt three times, but every
single
one of them seems to be broken at some place. With the latest one,
at
least the installation doesn't page fault any more. But it still
aborts
if it can't read some file. If it didn't do that, I would probably
be
finished by now.

As a last resort, I tried to copy the installation files from the CD
to
a disk. I can't use the OnTrack-formatted disk because FreeBSD can't
read it. So I have to use the disk I want to install to. After all,
it
could read the files, and the installation went fine. When I
rebooted,
the boot manager showed up, and asked me to press F1 for DOS (the
source partition), F2 for FreeBSD, and F5 for the other disk. When I
pressed F2, it just beeped, but didn't do anything.

I thought that maybe I could only install FreeBSD on the first
partition, then. (Although that really surprises me.) So I created
an
extended partition, copied the installation files there, and deleted
the primary partition. Oh no, FreeBSD can't read extended
partitions!
How nice: It expects the installation files to be on a primary
partition, but you can only install it on the first partition? I
think
that in the Linux fdisk, I can create up to 4 primary partitions,
but
the Windows version only supports one.

This is the story so far. Please help me find a happy end. Thank you
very much.

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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:



>While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches
sio0:
>type 8250.

Yow!
 
>The book shows type 16550A
>
>The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700
Mhz
> maching with 512 K of memory.



The 8250 UART has been obsolete for _years_ (pre-386 days). Try
disabling the serial ports in BIOS. You may want to do the same
to the parallel port, too. After you get set up, try enabling
them to see what happens.
Don't fool with 4.6; it's pretty old. (Not as old as an 8250
chip, but still) After getting the 4.8 system running, you
should update to 4.11. Hang on to the book, though, because a
lot of the information will still apply. The up-to-date handbook
is available online at www.freebsd.org. Some ftp servers have it
in pdf format if you dislike reading online.
Out of curiosity, what motherboard make and model do you have?

HTH,

stheg

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RE: FreeBSD Installation

[bob]

4.11 is the current production stable release which contains massive
changes from 4.8 one of which is the "kernel configuration in
full-screen visual mode" is not required any longer. The book you
are referencing is outdated. Release 4.6 and 4.8 are no longer
supported versions. The 5.3 version is brand new and still
experiencing problems and is not as stable and reliable as 4.11. No
need to get to close to the bleeding edge by using the 5.3 version.

Follow the step by step instructions in the Install guide at this
URL

http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php


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I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble
getting pass a certain point. This is the procedure I have followed
form The FreeBSD Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited
by Murray Stokely and Chern Lee.

I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in
full-screen visual mode.

Then Press X

Then delete:

Advansys SCSI narrow controller

Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller

Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card

Buslogic SCSI controller

Then press Q

Save these parameters before exiting YES

While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0:
type 8250.

The book shows type 16550A

The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz
maching with 512 K of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It
will be a stand a lone computer once I get FreeBSD installed.

Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,  Joe



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Re: FreeBSD Installation

[Abu Khaled]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:33:35 -0800, Joe Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble getting pass a 
> certain point. This is the procedure I have followed form The FreeBSD 
> Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited by Murray Stokely and 
> Chern Lee.
> 
> I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in full-screen 
> visual mode.
> 
> Then Press X
> 
> Then delete:
> 
> Advansys SCSI narrow controller
> 
> Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller
> 
> Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card
> 
> Buslogic SCSI controller
> 
> Then press Q
> 
> Save these parameters before exiting YES
> 
> While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250.
> 
> The book shows type 16550A

sio0 is the serial interface. If you don't need it try to disable it
"bios" to see if it's the reason for this problem.

> 
> The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz maching with 
> 512 K of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It will be a stand a lone 
> computer once I get FreeBSD installed.
> 
> Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best Regards,  Joe
> 
> 
> Joe Parker
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Re: FreeBSD installation with single / partition

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> Is this a serious no-no?

In my opinion, and that of the author of tuning(7), yes. I highly
recommend that you read tuning(7), and carefully consider the points
made therein as to whether your single slice setup is wise. Just because
Gentoo or $OTHER_POPULAR_LINUX_DISTRIBUTION does something a certain way
doesn't mean that it's right (of course, the same applies to the FreeBSD
way of doing things, but often it is right :) ).

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Re: FreeBSD installation with single / partition

[Andrew Lewis]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:00:25 +0200
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You are definitely doing something wrong.  The root filesystem should be
> mounted as read-write *before* you run installworld.

Right you were, I was overlooking those extra instructions. ;) Working fine 
now. Thx for your help

-AL.

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Re: FreeBSD installation with single / partition

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-03-22 13:54, Andrew Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this a serious no-no?
>
> I see this breaks make installworld... :\ Complains about / being
> read-only, and naturally there is no way for me to remount it r/w with
> the system being up... :( And a rescue CD kinda defeats the object of
> rebuilding from source... :(

You are definitely doing something wrong.  The root filesystem should be
mounted as read-write *before* you run installworld.  The UPDATING file
in /usr/src contains the following:

To rebuild everything and install it on the current system.
---
# Note: sometimes if you are running current you gotta do more than
# is listed here if you are upgrading from a really old current.


  [7]
make buildworld
make kernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE
[1]
 [3]
src/etc/rc.d/preseedrandom  [10]
mergemaster -p  [5]
make installworld
mergemaster [4]


A few paragraphs below...

[3] From the bootblocks, boot -s, and then do
fsck -p
mount -u /
mount -a
cd src
adjkerntz -i# if CMOS is wall time
Also, when doing a major release upgrade, it is required that
you boot into single user mode to do the installworld.

Note the ``mount -u'' and ``mount -a'' commands.

> So, would I do best to reinstall this machine with a proper FS layout
> before putting it into production?

A single, big root partition is definitely a "proper" FS layout, if
that's what you like doing.

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Re: FreeBSD Installation error

[Bill Moran]

M Prabhanjan wrote:
I am unable to install FreeBSD on a PC that has 4GB disk space.
I am trying to install from a CD that I bought sometime back.
In the installation's Choose Distributions menu, I choose to install
X-Developer and X-Kern-Developer distributions.
 
I get the following error message during the installation:
"Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 240640 bytes)
 [ Press enter to  continue ] "
On pressing enter, I get the following message:
"User Confirmation Requested
Unable to transfer the scontrib distribution from acd0c.
Do you want to try to retrieve it again?"
 
Is this due to lack of disk space (4GB) or bad sectors in the hard disk?
If you switch to the interactive shell and issue "df -h", it will tell you
how much space it used.
I've only seen this particular error when there was a hardware problem,
however.  I may be remembering wrong, but I seem to remember a cheap CD-ROM
plugged into the same chain as the HDD causing this.
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Re: FreeBSD installation on a single partition

[Viktor Lazlo]

On Sun, 16 May 2004, Lee Harr wrote:

> >I'd like to install FreeBSD on a single partition, how can I do that?
> >The sys/installer complains about a missing swap partition, (I'd rather
> >use swap files though).
> >
>
>
> I have never tried this. It is very possible that the installer cannot
> work without creating a separate swap partition.
>
> What you might try is using 2 disks.
>
> Install normally on to one disk, then copy the installation over to
> the disk that you really want to use, remove the swap partition
> from the fstab, and create the swapfiles you want to use.

Are you referring to BIOS partitions or BSD partitions?

If you are refering to a BIOS partition, this is equivalent to a BSD slice
and the BSD partitions are created within it during the installation.
During a normal installation, sysinstall will create a single slice (BIOS
partition) to hold the BSD partitions unless you instruct it otherwise, so
this will not be a problem.

If you are referring to BSD partitions, I guess you could try removing the
default swap space created when partitioning then creating and configuring
the swap file before rebooting at the end of installation.

Cheers,

Viktor
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Re: FreeBSD installation on a single partition

[Lee Harr]

I'd like to install FreeBSD on a single partition, how can I do that?
The sys/installer complains about a missing swap partition, (I'd rather
use swap files though).

I have never tried this. It is very possible that the installer cannot
work without creating a separate swap partition.
What you might try is using 2 disks.
Install normally on to one disk, then copy the installation over to
the disk that you really want to use, remove the swap partition
from the fstab, and create the swapfiles you want to use.
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Re: FreeBSD installation on a single partition

[Robert Storey]

Unless you're really short of hard disk space, I'd say that this is a bad idea.
Multiple partitions give added stability and security.

The sole disadvantage of using multiple partitions is that you might not
allocate enough space on one particular partition and so it could fill up -
therefore, you have to put some careful thought into how large each partition
should be. 

Advantage No. 1 of multiple partitions - stability. Some directories are
frequently being written to, especially /tmp and /var, and probably /home
(especially if you manage to create a swap file there). If there is a system
crash or power failure while information is being written, you could lose
everything. All your critical data probably resides in /home, so you should keep
it in a separate partition so that you can recover it even if everything else
goes to hell. Ideally, you want the / partition to be read-only.

Advantage No. 2 - security. A number of denial of service attacks and other
hacks are aimed at /tmp and /var, and you can accidentally cause a
self-inflicted denial of service attack if you fill up /home. Having separate
partitions prevents this.

At the very least, keep swap in its own partition. Ideally, have separate
partitions for /, /usr, /tmp, /var and /home.

regards,
Robert


On Sat, 15 May 2004 14:31:28 +0200
Günther Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to install FreeBSD on a single partition, how can I do that? 
> The sys/installer complains about a missing swap partition, (I'd rather 
> use swap files though).
> 
> Thanks Günther
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Re: Freebsd Installation..

[Lennart Filutowski]

- Original Message - 
From: "Lennart Filutowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:39 AM
Subject: Freebsd Installation..


> Hi,
>   I am having trouble installing FreeBSD. I first tryed installing
> FreeBSD5.0-RELEASE but the computer freezes each time it is probing for
> devices. I read the trouble shooting in the manual pages and tryed to use
> set hint.acip.0.disabled="1". But then it frooze when loading the kernel.
> Then I tryed to download new floppy images this time for
FreeBSD4.8-RELEASE
> and it still freezes when loading kernel. I have searched the net for a
> solution to my problem but have not found any. It freezes right after
these
> lines if it helps:
>
> ad4: 29314MB[59560/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100
> ad5: 39266MB<1C35L040AVER07-0>[79780/16/63] at ata2-slave UDMA100
>
> Since I am quite new to BSD I have no idea what might cause this. A
> spontaneous guess would be that my hard drives are causing the fuss. If
> anyone could help me with this I would be very greatful. Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Lennart Filutowski

>Try disabling UDMA on the system bios. That should help a little.

>HTH

>LukeK

>After hard drive detection would usually come the CD/ROM drive, so that's
probably where the problem is. Trying:
>set hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
>set hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"
>is what worked for me to complete the installation of 4.8. Good luck!

I have tryed both of the above and neither work. Anyone else who might have
an idea?


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Re: Freebsd Installation..

[Luke Kearney]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:39:16 +0200
"Lennart Filutowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> granted us these pearls of wisdom:

> Hi,
>   I am having trouble installing FreeBSD. I first tryed installing
> FreeBSD5.0-RELEASE but the computer freezes each time it is probing for
> devices. I read the trouble shooting in the manual pages and tryed to use
> set hint.acip.0.disabled="1". But then it frooze when loading the kernel.
> Then I tryed to download new floppy images this time for FreeBSD4.8-RELEASE
> and it still freezes when loading kernel. I have searched the net for a
> solution to my problem but have not found any. It freezes right after these
> lines if it helps:
> 
> ad4: 29314MB[59560/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100
> ad5: 39266MB<1C35L040AVER07-0>[79780/16/63] at ata2-slave UDMA100
> 
> Since I am quite new to BSD I have no idea what might cause this. A
> spontaneous guess would be that my hard drives are causing the fuss. If
> anyone could help me with this I would be very greatful. Thanks.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Lennart Filutowski

Try disabling UDMA on the system bios. That should help a little.

HTH

LukeK

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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Johan Paul]

>> I've tried to install FreeBSD 4.8 Stable on my computer about 5 times
>> but every damn time I get an error when the installation reaches the
>> dependence install. I get an error messages saying something "... error
>> code -1 Please check the debug screen for more info". When I press
>> ALT+F2 I see a screen saying something like "gzip ... crc error".
>
> I've seen similar problems when memory was on the way out...

Or maybe a broken memory chip? The XFree packages tend to be large enough
to occupy large portions of the memory and the package gets corrupted when
the installer tries to read it back from the memory.

Try running memtest86.


Regards,

Johan Paul
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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Rus Foster]

> >
> I don't understand what you mean "on the way out" but I don't think the
> problem is lack of memory because I have 384MB in my machine.
>
> But could my slicing have something to do with this thing. I have three
> HDDs in the machine a 3GB, 4GB and 6GB divided like this.
>

I mean that I think the hardware is dying. Try running memtest86

Rgds

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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[mikael . karlsson]

> I've tried to install FreeBSD 4.8 Stable on my computer about 5 times
> but every damn time I get an error when the installation reaches the
> dependence install. I get an error messages saying something "... error
> code -1 Please check the debug screen for more info". When I press
> ALT+F2 I see a screen saying something like "gzip ... crc error".
I've seen similar problems when memory was on the way out...

I don't understand what you mean "on the way out" but I don't think the 
problem is lack of memory because I have 384MB in my machine.

But could my slicing have something to do with this thing. I have three 
HDDs in the machine a 3GB, 4GB and 6GB divided like this.

3GB
/tmp 256MB
/var 1024MB
/ 714MB
/swap 1024MB
4GB
/usr 4140MB
6GB
/home 6356MB
Rgds

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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Rus Foster]

> I've tried to install FreeBSD 4.8 Stable on my computer about 5 times
> but every damn time I get an error when the installation reaches the
> dependence install. I get an error messages saying something "... error
> code -1 Please check the debug screen for more info". When I press
> ALT+F2 I see a screen saying something like "gzip ... crc error".

I've seen similar problems when memory was on the way out...

Rgds

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Terry Lambert]

Sukhbinder Singh wrote:
> When I try installing it using the Floppy disk method it gives me a
> different type of error message. This time it gives me an error message
> like,
>  "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you want to try to
> retrieve it again? Yes No " If I press yes it keeps on showing the same
> error  message  "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you
> want to try to retrieve it again? Yes No ".

That would probably be because the files you are looking for
are not on fd0.  If you want to install those files from
floppy disks, you are going to need a lot more floppies.  The
"bin" distribution consists of 174 files of 235K each.  Or
40M.  See your closest mirror; for example:

ftp://ftp12.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.7-RELEASE/bin/

Best bet is to burn a CDROM (where did you get your floppy
images, anyway?), and point to the CDROM as the installation
medium.  Or do it over the net, after booting from the floppy,
and point to FTP as your installation medium.

BTW: These questions belong on the -questions mailing list
*ONLY*:

o   Crossposting, as you have done, is considered bad ettiquite

o   The -hackers mailing list is for discussions of software
engineering issues related to the developement of FreeBSD,
not the software installation issues of end users.

While there are people on -hackers who can probably answer your
questions, they are not interested in listening to them on that
mailing list; if they wanted to be answering end-user questions
not related to source code changes being necessary to fix them,
then they will subscribe to -questions, as well.

Followups to -questions.

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Sukhbinder Singh]

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From: John Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Sukhbinder Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems


"Sukhbinder Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First, I made the 2 image floppy disk for the 2 image files by
>downloading them from ftp.freebsd.org. These 2 files are kern.flp and
>msfroot.flp. I also downloaded and made an image disk for drvivers.flp just
>to download the drivers at the installation process.

Sounds like you are trying to install the 5.0 version.  I would advise
anyone who is fairly new to FreeBSD to try 4.7 instead.  You would need
to obtain the 4.7 images for kern.flp and mfsroot.flp.  There is no
driver.flp for 4.7.



>I have 2 MB of my hard disk space devoted to FreeBSD.

2MB isn't enough! I presume you meant 2GB :)



>Then in the next screen I get another window
>with a request message like "Do you want to try DHCP configuration at the
>Interface ? Yes No ". I selected No and proceeded to the next level of the
>installation process. In this next level, I get a big screen called the
>"Network Configuration" window to proceed with my ftp. I think or suspect
>this is where the problem is.  This window has 7 fields which it requires
me
>to enter. These 7 fields are host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server, IPv4
>address netmask :, extra option to ifconfig. I do not know any information
>regarding any of the fields. If I leave all of these fields empty, the
>installation program prompts me with an error message like "must specify a
>host name of some sort !"  Then I just entered a host name for the host,
>like foo.com and pressed enter to proceed all the way through the 7 fields
>to the OK button.

You definitely need some more entries there.  Choose something that you
would not find on the net for domain.  I use the rather boring my.domain
and the hostname can be any word you like.

You must insert a valid IP in the Name Server (DNS) field.  If you usually
use Microsoft Windows to connect to your ISP, you should be able to see
the Name Server address by using winipcfg while connected.  Or you may be
able to find this from your ISP's www help pages, or contact their Tech.
Support as a last resort.

Without a Name Server the installation won't be able to convert a name
like ftp.freebsd.org into a number (62.243.72.50).  And therefore will
not be able to connect.

It would probably help to put an entry in the interface netmask field.
255.255.255.0 should be ok.



>It fails to download freebsd automatically from the freebsd ftp site like
>it should. Any help will be helpful.

I hope this is helpful.

Good luck.
John.


I did what you asked me to do. This time I had a little bit of progress but
still I got a differen error message. I used the windows command winipcfg
command to get the DNS information. As I indicated in my previous mail there
are 6 fields in the windows in the "Network Configuration" window where
these 6 fields are  host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server, IPv4 address
netmask : , extra option to ifconfig.

The hostname I typed as :-   foo
The domain name as you indicated in your mail that you used my.domain I also
used my.domain
The netmask automatically chaged to :- 255.255.255.0
The name server address or the DNS address after checking using winipcfg
was: 202.188.0.133 but when I use the arp command it gives me a different
address instead. It gives me 202.188.0.132 instead. The ipv4 gateway
information is blank with no information on this. The IPv4 information is
also left blank with no information  and the extra option to ifconfig is
also left blank with no information. I chose to download using FTP. after
keying in all the information like the login name, password and the
telephone number for my ISP, I tried connecting, I got an error message like
" Cannot resolve hostname 'ftp.freebsd.org' ! Are you sure that your name se
rver, gateway and network interface are correctly configured ?" then I
pressed enter after this I got another message like "Killing previous PPP
process 34". Can anyone help regarding this problem. Any help will be
helpful.

thanks,

sukh
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Bill Moran]

Sukhbinder Singh wrote:
By the way, I am now installing FreeBSD version 4.7 not version 5.0 any
longer.
When I try installing it using the Floppy disk method it gives me a
different type of error message. This time it gives me an error message
like,
 "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you want to try to
retrieve it again? Yes No " If I press yes it keeps on showing the same
error  message  "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you
want to try to retrieve it again? Yes No ". If I press No it gives me
another message like,
"unable to save boot -c changes to new kernel, please see the debug screen
(ALT -F2) for details. Then finally it gives me another message like
"MAKEDEV returned non - zero status. "  can anyone help concerning this
problem. Do I need to custom my the kernel first before setting anything up,
because I did went pass the kernel configuration stage, I did not do any
kernel configuration or custom configuration on kernel but passed it.
The last time I did a floppy install (about 3 years ago) I had to scrap
every third disk as bad.  It's very likely that the particular disk you're
trying to use is bad.
That "unable to transfer xxx distribution" seems to happen the most often
with bad media (i.e. disks/cds or bad disk/cd drive)  I would check there
first.
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[John Murphy]

"Sukhbinder Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I looked at vty3 (Alt - F3). I saw the screen saying "PPP Started" and "ppp
>on  foo" but this "ppp on foo" the ppp is not in capital letters it is in
>the lower case letters.

Then it is not connecting to your ISP for some reason.  Did you wait long
enough for the modem to dial etc.?  You should see something like the
following when the dial up and authentication has successfully completed.

Working in interactive mode 
Using interface: tun0 
Warning: No default entry found in config file. 
Phase: PPP Started (interactive mode). 
ppp ON foo> dial 
Phase: bundle: Establish 
Phase: deflink: closed -> opening 
Phase: deflink: Connected! 
Phase: deflink: opening -> dial 
ppp ON foo> Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier 
Phase: deflink: /dev/cuaa1: CD detected 
Phase: deflink: carrier -> login 
Phase: deflink: login -> lcp 
Phase: bundle: Authenticate 
Phase: deflink: his = PAP, mine = none 
Phase: Pap Output: YourUserName  
Ppp ON foo> Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS () 
Phase: deflink: lcp -> open 
Phase: bundle: Network 
PPp ON foo> 
PPP ON foo>

(notice how the Ps turn to capitals to show which stages have completed.)

Are there any lights on the modem or can you hear it dialing out?

> Then, I tried to set the server name to a different
>name as you indicated to set it to
>ftp://62.243.72.50/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386   however, I am unable to find
>the "other" option in the list of ftp sites to specifically key in this
>address. can you help here ?

It's the second option in the list:
URL Specify some other ftp site by URL

I'm sure it _was_ called 'other' :)

You shouldn't need to do that anyway as the ppp seems to be the problem.

You should continue to write to freebsd-questions as some other reader
may be able to spot exactly what the problem is.

Good luck
John.
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[John Murphy]

"Sukhbinder Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I did what you asked me to do. This time I had a little bit of progress but
>still I got a differen error message. I used the windows command winipcfg
>command to get the DNS information. As I indicated in my previous mail there
>are 6 fields in the windows in the "Network Configuration" window where
>these 6 fields are  host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server, IPv4 address
>netmask : , extra option to ifconfig.
>
>The hostname I typed as :-   foo
>The domain name as you indicated in your mail that you used my.domain I also
>used my.domain
>The netmask automatically chaged to :- 255.255.255.0
>The name server address or the DNS address after checking using winipcfg
>was: 202.188.0.133 but when I use the arp command it gives me a different
>address instead. It gives me 202.188.0.132 instead. The ipv4 gateway
>information is blank with no information on this. The IPv4 information is
>also left blank with no information  and the extra option to ifconfig is
>also left blank with no information. I chose to download using FTP. after
>keying in all the information like the login name, password and the
>telephone number for my ISP, I tried connecting, I got an error message like
>" Cannot resolve hostname 'ftp.freebsd.org' ! Are you sure that your name se
>rver, gateway and network interface are correctly configured ?" then I
>pressed enter after this I got another message like "Killing previous PPP
>process 34". Can anyone help regarding this problem. Any help will be
>helpful.

I have confirmed that there is a Name Server at 202.188.0.133 and that it
correctly resolves ftp.freebsd.org.

> dig @202.188.0.133 ftp.freebsd.org

; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> @202.188.0.133 ftp.freebsd.org
; (1 server found)
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;  ftp.freebsd.org, type = A, class = IN

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ftp.freebsd.org.5M IN CNAME ftp.beastie.tdk.net.
ftp.beastie.tdk.net.1m20s IN A  62.243.72.50

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
beastie.tdk.net.3d13h36m43s IN NS  ns10.inet.tele.dk.
beastie.tdk.net.3d13h36m43s IN NS  ns11.inet.tele.dk.
beastie.tdk.net.3d13h36m43s IN NS  ns2.tele.dk.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns10.inet.tele.dk.  3h12m54s IN A   193.163.158.228
ns11.inet.tele.dk.  3h12m54s IN A   195.41.46.84
ns2.tele.dk.1h35m59s IN A   194.239.134.82

;; Total query time: 1155 msec
;; FROM: wall.my.domain to SERVER: 202.188.0.133
;; WHEN: Sat Mar 29 12:55:48 2003
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 33  rcvd: 213

I am surprised you still get Cannot resolve hostname 'ftp.freebsd.org'.
But you would probably see that error if PPP was not 'up'.

To confirm whether it is a Name Server problem, you could choose 'other'
when asked to select a FreeBSD FTP distribution site and set
ftp://62.243.72.50/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ as the address.

If it still doesn't work.  Have a look on vty3 (press Alt-F3) and confirm
that PPP is indeed 'up'.  You should see something like PPP ON foo.
(All three Ps must be capital letters).

I think you are very close to getting this working.  Don't give up.

Please remove freebsd-hackers from the list of addresses you are contacting.

John.
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Sukhbinder Singh]

By the way, I am now installing FreeBSD version 4.7 not version 5.0 any
longer.

When I try installing it using the Floppy disk method it gives me a
different type of error message. This time it gives me an error message
like,
 "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you want to try to
retrieve it again? Yes No " If I press yes it keeps on showing the same
error  message  "unable to transfer the bin distribution from fd0 Do you
want to try to retrieve it again? Yes No ". If I press No it gives me
another message like,
"unable to save boot -c changes to new kernel, please see the debug screen
(ALT -F2) for details. Then finally it gives me another message like
"MAKEDEV returned non - zero status. "  can anyone help concerning this
problem. Do I need to custom my the kernel first before setting anything up,
because I did went pass the kernel configuration stage, I did not do any
kernel configuration or custom configuration on kernel but passed it.

Thanks,

bye...






Sukhbinder Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > First, I made the 2 image floppy disk for the 2 image files by
> >downloading them from ftp.freebsd.org. These 2 files are kern.flp and
> >msfroot.flp. I also downloaded and made an image disk for drvivers.flp
just
> >to download the drivers at the installation process.
>
> Sounds like you are trying to install the 5.0 version.  I would advise
> anyone who is fairly new to FreeBSD to try 4.7 instead.  You would need
> to obtain the 4.7 images for kern.flp and mfsroot.flp.  There is no
> driver.flp for 4.7.
>
> 
>
> >I have 2 MB of my hard disk space devoted to FreeBSD.
>
> 2MB isn't enough! I presume you meant 2GB :)
>
> 
>
> >Then in the next screen I get another window
> >with a request message like "Do you want to try DHCP configuration at the
> >Interface ? Yes No ". I selected No and proceeded to the next level of
the
> >installation process. In this next level, I get a big screen called the
> >"Network Configuration" window to proceed with my ftp. I think or suspect
> >this is where the problem is.  This window has 7 fields which it requires
> me
> >to enter. These 7 fields are host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server,
IPv4
> >address netmask :, extra option to ifconfig. I do not know any
information
> >regarding any of the fields. If I leave all of these fields empty, the
> >installation program prompts me with an error message like "must specify
a
> >host name of some sort !"  Then I just entered a host name for the host,
> >like foo.com and pressed enter to proceed all the way through the 7
fields
> >to the OK button.
>
> You definitely need some more entries there.  Choose something that you
> would not find on the net for domain.  I use the rather boring my.domain
> and the hostname can be any word you like.
>
> You must insert a valid IP in the Name Server (DNS) field.  If you usually
> use Microsoft Windows to connect to your ISP, you should be able to see
> the Name Server address by using winipcfg while connected.  Or you may be
> able to find this from your ISP's www help pages, or contact their Tech.
> Support as a last resort.
>
> Without a Name Server the installation won't be able to convert a name
> like ftp.freebsd.org into a number (62.243.72.50).  And therefore will
> not be able to connect.
>
> It would probably help to put an entry in the interface netmask field.
> 255.255.255.0 should be ok.
>
> 
>
> >It fails to download freebsd automatically from the freebsd ftp site like
> >it should. Any help will be helpful.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Good luck.
> John.
>
>
> I did what you asked me to do. This time I had a little bit of progress
but
> still I got a differen error message. I used the windows command winipcfg
> command to get the DNS information. As I indicated in my previous mail
there
> are 6 fields in the windows in the "Network Configuration" window where
> these 6 fields are  host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server, IPv4 address
> netmask : , extra option to ifconfig.
>
> The hostname I typed as :-   foo
> The domain name as you indicated in your mail that you used my.domain I
also
> used my.domain
> The netmask automatically chaged to :- 255.255.255.0
> The name server address or the DNS address after checking using winipcfg
> was: 202.188.0.133 but when I use the arp command it gives me a different
> address instead. It gives me 202.188.0.132 instead. The ipv4 gateway
> information is blank with no information on this. The IPv4 information is
> also left blank with no information  and the extra option to ifconfig is
> also left blank with no information. I chose to download using FTP. after
> keying in all the information like the login name, password and the
> telephone number for my ISP, I tried connecting, I got an error message
like
> " Cannot resolve hostname 'ftp.freebsd.org' ! Are you sure that your name
se
> rver, gateway and network interface are correctly configured ?" then I
> pressed enter after this I got another message 

Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[John Murphy]

"Sukhbinder Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First, I made the 2 image floppy disk for the 2 image files by
>downloading them from ftp.freebsd.org. These 2 files are kern.flp and
>msfroot.flp. I also downloaded and made an image disk for drvivers.flp just
>to download the drivers at the installation process.

Sounds like you are trying to install the 5.0 version.  I would advise
anyone who is fairly new to FreeBSD to try 4.7 instead.  You would need
to obtain the 4.7 images for kern.flp and mfsroot.flp.  There is no 
driver.flp for 4.7.



>I have 2 MB of my hard disk space devoted to FreeBSD.

2MB isn't enough! I presume you meant 2GB :)



>Then in the next screen I get another window
>with a request message like "Do you want to try DHCP configuration at the
>Interface ? Yes No ". I selected No and proceeded to the next level of the
>installation process. In this next level, I get a big screen called the
>"Network Configuration" window to proceed with my ftp. I think or suspect
>this is where the problem is.  This window has 7 fields which it requires me
>to enter. These 7 fields are host, domain, ipv4 gateway, name server, IPv4
>address netmask :, extra option to ifconfig. I do not know any information
>regarding any of the fields. If I leave all of these fields empty, the
>installation program prompts me with an error message like "must specify a
>host name of some sort !"  Then I just entered a host name for the host,
>like foo.com and pressed enter to proceed all the way through the 7 fields
>to the OK button.

You definitely need some more entries there.  Choose something that you
would not find on the net for domain.  I use the rather boring my.domain
and the hostname can be any word you like.

You must insert a valid IP in the Name Server (DNS) field.  If you usually
use Microsoft Windows to connect to your ISP, you should be able to see
the Name Server address by using winipcfg while connected.  Or you may be
able to find this from your ISP's www help pages, or contact their Tech.
Support as a last resort.

Without a Name Server the installation won't be able to convert a name
like ftp.freebsd.org into a number (62.243.72.50).  And therefore will
not be able to connect.

It would probably help to put an entry in the interface netmask field.
255.255.255.0 should be ok.



>It fails to download freebsd automatically from the freebsd ftp site like
>it should. Any help will be helpful.

I hope this is helpful.

Good luck.
John.
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[John Vender]

m and pressed enter to proceed all the way through the 7 
fields
to the OK button. Then, the installation program brings me to another 
window
to enter the IP address of my service provider and then it prompts 
another
window asking me "Does your ISP support PAP or CHAP ppp logins ? Yes 
No" I
pressed Yes and it requested me to enter the login name for my service
provider. I then entered my login name, then it requested me to enter my
password to my service provider and I entered my password to my service
provider and then it requested the provider's login phone number and I
entered the provider login phone number. Then this installation program 
asks
me if my telephone line supports tone dialing ? I selected yes and 
pressed
enter and proceeded further. Then, the installation program brings me 
to a
window saying PPP command is already started on VTY3. I pressed enter 
at the
OK highlighted button and then I get the final message saying "Couldn't 
open
FTP connection to ftp.freebsd.org: Undefined error : 0." Then at this 
point
I get another message saying killing previous PPP process 76 and after
pressing enter here I get another message saying "unable to adjust your
media configuration and try again : " This is my installation process. 
It
fails to download freebsd automatically from the freebsd ftp site like 
it
should. Any help will be helpful.

thanks,

Sukh.
Hmm, it's been ages since I've done an ftp install but it seems 
sysinstall from your floppies is doing its job and you're getting 
through the required steps. I've just had a read of the handbook but the 
ftp install description is a bit sparse and I can't work out from it 
what the problem is and I don't have a machine to to try it on other 
than an old 486 with only 16 meg of ram, small hard disk and rather 
ancient 2.2.8 FreeBSD on it.

Hopefully someone with recent experience doing an ftp install will see 
where the problem lies. Last time I did it which was years ago I don't 
recall coming across your problem although I do remember my first 
attempt at the ftp install wasn't smooth sailing, I just don't remember 
what I was stumbling on.

If I don't see any help on this in the next couple of days I'll see if 
any of my FreeBSD loving friends have any recent ftp install experience 
and can see where your install is going wrong.

Cheers...John



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From: John Vender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Sukhbinder Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Sukhbinder Singh wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer,
however I am receiving error messages during the course of my
installation. When I am trying to install using the floppy method at
the final prompt where the istallation program requests me to put in
floppy disk in drive a and press enter. After putting in the disk and
pressing enter I receive a warning or error message like "Error
mounting floppy fd0 (/dev/fd0) on /dist: Invalid argument".
  When I try to install it via FTP, at the end of the
installation procedure I receive a message like "Couldn't open FTP
connection to ftp.freebsd.org: undefined error : 0"   Can someone
please help me troubleshoot this problems which I had been facing with
the installation of FreeBSD into my personal computer.
Thanks,
from what you write I assume you made the installation floppies and the
first floppy boots the system and starts the installation process.
Please describe step by step what what is happening while you are 
trying
to do the install from the point the system boots and starts the
installation process including the options you select at any point 
where
you are asked to select options.

Cheers...John



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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Sukhbinder Singh]

am brings me to another window
to enter the IP address of my service provider and then it prompts another
window asking me "Does your ISP support PAP or CHAP ppp logins ? Yes No" I
pressed Yes and it requested me to enter the login name for my service
provider. I then entered my login name, then it requested me to enter my
password to my service provider and I entered my password to my service
provider and then it requested the provider's login phone number and I
entered the provider login phone number. Then this installation program asks
me if my telephone line supports tone dialing ? I selected yes and pressed
enter and proceeded further. Then, the installation program brings me to a
window saying PPP command is already started on VTY3. I pressed enter at the
OK highlighted button and then I get the final message saying "Couldn't open
FTP connection to ftp.freebsd.org: Undefined error : 0." Then at this point
I get another message saying killing previous PPP process 76 and after
pressing enter here I get another message saying "unable to adjust your
media configuration and try again : " This is my installation process. It
fails to download freebsd automatically from the freebsd ftp site like it
should. Any help will be helpful.

thanks,

Sukh.



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To: Sukhbinder Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems


> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:53 PM, Sukhbinder Singh wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer,
> > however I am receiving error messages during the course of my
> > installation. When I am trying to install using the floppy method at
> > the final prompt where the istallation program requests me to put in
> > floppy disk in drive a and press enter. After putting in the disk and
> > pressing enter I receive a warning or error message like "Error
> > mounting floppy fd0 (/dev/fd0) on /dist: Invalid argument".
> >
> >   When I try to install it via FTP, at the end of the
> > installation procedure I receive a message like "Couldn't open FTP
> > connection to ftp.freebsd.org: undefined error : 0"   Can someone
> > please help me troubleshoot this problems which I had been facing with
> > the installation of FreeBSD into my personal computer.
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> from what you write I assume you made the installation floppies and the
> first floppy boots the system and starts the installation process.
> Please describe step by step what what is happening while you are trying
> to do the install from the point the system boots and starts the
> installation process including the options you select at any point where
> you are asked to select options.
>
> Cheers...John
>
>
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Matthew Seaman]

(freebsd-hackers@ removed from CC: this is definitely -questions
material.)

On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 05:53:04PM +0800, Sukhbinder Singh wrote:

> I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer, however I am 
> receiving error messages during the course of my installation. When I am trying to 
> install using the floppy method at the final prompt where the istallation program 
> requests me to put in floppy disk in drive a and press enter. After putting in the 
> disk and pressing enter I receive a warning or error message like "Error mounting 
> floppy fd0 (/dev/fd0) on /dist: Invalid argument". 

Floppy disks are not the most reliable of media.  It's quite possible
you've got a bad disk there.  Try again with a different disk,
preferably a brand new never used before one.

When you say using the "floppy method" do you mean you're just using
the floppies to boot from, and that you're going to download the bulk
of the distribution by other means, or that you're really going to use
a whole stack of floppies to copy in the entire distribution onto your
system?  If it's the latter, then I admire your dedication, but
question your thinking. You will be sorely tried by that process.
 
>   When I try to install it via FTP, at the end of the installation procedure 
> I receive a message like "Couldn't open FTP connection to ftp.freebsd.org: undefined 
> error : 0"   Can someone please help me troubleshoot this problems which I had been 
> facing with the installation of FreeBSD into my personal computer.

Hmmm... You don't exactly give us much detail to work on here.  Some
sort of indication of exactly what version of FreeBSD you're trying to
install and a description of your hardware with as much detail as you
can find: ideally something like this:

1 AMD Athlon +1600 CPU
ASUS A7V266 Motherboard
512Mb PC2100 Ram
Tekram DC-390U3W SCSI controller
IBM 07N3200 U160 HDD (36Gb)
Samsung SC1200TX NIC
ELSA External 56k Fun Modem 

but do the best you can if you don't know that sort of detail.  The
output of 'dmesg' or 'pciconf -l -v' can help clarify things if
necessary.

How, exactly, are you trying to make a connection to the net in order
to get FTP access to the FreeBSD servers?  For an FTP install you've
either got to connect by a LAN which has routes out to the internet
--- for instance, if you have an ADSL router or another machine with a
modem and dial-up capability which you can route traffic through ---
or you have to have a directly attached modem on your system.

I suspect that this isn't applicable to your situation, but just to
cover all bases: If you're connecting via a local network, then skip
over all of the instructions about configuring PPP, and go directly to
the screens for setting up an ethernet card.  It works nicely by DHCP
if that's available in your environment, otherwise, you'll have to
obtain an IP number, the local netmask and the IP numbers of your
local DNS servers and of the default gateway to the internet.

Now, if I guess correctly, you're trying to use a 56k dialup via an
analog modem.  First question is: what sort of modem are you using?
If it's an external modem that plugs into one of the serial ports or
one of the older sorts of internal modem which appear to the system
like another serial port --- ie. one with a real UART --- then you're
all set to go.  If it's an external device that plugs into a USB port,
then I can't really say if it's going to work or not.  If it's an
internal "winmodem" type as supplied with most commodity PCs purchased
in the last few years, then you are out of luck as far as *installing*
FreeBSD that way.  Once you have FreeBSD installed you may be able to
install the comms/ltmdm port which provides drivers for a number of
devices based on the Lucent LT chipset, but you'ld have to beg, borrow
or steal an alternative modem to do the installation first.

Can you boot into another operating system to verify that the modem
functions correctly?

Having established that you have a working and compatible modem, then
you need some sort of dial-up account at an ISP.  It's a kind of dumb
thing to fall over on, but it happens: double check that you're using
the correct account name and password for the ISP.  You should be able
to hit 'Alt F2' from the main sysinstall screen to see some much more
detailed debugging output: check that for clues as to why you can't
get a connection.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Sukhbinder Singh]

Now I am using a new mailer not the one from hotmail, because i am not able
to edit the settings in the hotmail mailer to not sent html mail. i think
hotmail mailer is made to mail html mails. if anyone have an idea of how to
not mail html mails from hotmail, i mean if anyone knows of how to stop or
configure hotmail not to mail html mails please let me know of how to do
this.

anyway i hope this mailer do not mail html mails. if it is does please let
me know. however now getting back to the free bsd problem can anyone give a
little help in troubleshooting this problem. now when i try to setup freebsd
using floopy disk method it is giving an error message like " No floppy
device found consult the hardware in doc". The FTP now seems to work but
however this gives a message like " Could not open FTP connection to
ftp.freebsd.org: undefined error: 0"  how can these 2 error message be
solved. Any help will help.

thanks


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>
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> Tim
>
>
> On Saturday 22 March 2003 08:48 am, Sukhbinder Singh wrote:
> > Dear Sir,
> >  
> >    I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal
computer.
> > I am using the FTP installation method using the standard installation.
> > When I try to start the FTP installation I get message such as :-
Warning:
> > no /dev/tun0 device. PPP will not work !. Unable to start PPP. This
> > installation cannot be used.   
> > Can you please help me to resolve this problem.
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >  
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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[Bill Moran]

Sukhbinder Singh wrote:
Dear Sir,
 
   I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer. I am using 
the FTP installation method using the standard installation. When I try 
to start the FTP installation I get message such as :- Warning: no 
/dev/tun0 device. PPP will not work !. Unable to start PPP. This 
installation cannot be used.
What version of FreeBSD are you trying to install?

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

[John Vender]

On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 12:48 AM, Sukhbinder Singh wrote:

Dear Sir,
 
   I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer. I am using 
the FTP installation method using the standard installation. When I try 
to start the FTP installation I get message such as :- Warning: no 
/dev/tun0 device. PPP will not work !. Unable to start PPP. This 
installation cannot be used.
 
Can you please help me to resolve this problem.
 
Thanks,
are you trying to do the ftp install using a modem connection and if so, 
what type of modem do you have? If you have a winmodem you maybe able to 
get it working with FreeBSD once you have FreeBSD installed but you 
cannot install using it, see

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/hardware.html#SUPPORT-WINMODEM

I admit I am guessing at the cause of your problem with the installation 
and if the above is not relevant hopefully someone more expert than I am 
will follow up pointing this out and a way to work out the cause of the 
problem you are having.

Please note that mail sent to this list should be sent as plain text, 
not as html. I have never used hotmail but I believe you can change the 
settings so that the e-mails you send are not sent as html.

Cheers...John

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Re: FreeBSD Installation Problems

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    I am trying to install FreeBSD into my personal computer. I am facing with some problems that I need your help in assisting me. I do have the 2 dos image file floppies done. I am using the standard installation method and I am trying to install using FTP. In FTP, I shose to connect using PPP. However, at this stage I am receiving an error message like "Warning: No /dev/tun) device PPP will not work !" and .. "unable to start PPP. This installation cannot be used !". Can you please let me know how to prevent and to resolve this installation problems. Please email me at my email address at :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
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Re: FreeBSD Installation on HP Pavilion ZT1130

[Scott Robbins]

> 
> Saturday, December 7, 2002, 3:29:10 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> 
> > I'm trying to install the FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE on my HP Pavilion ZT1130
> > notebook, but there is some problems.
> 
> > Note: my notebook doesn't have floppy drive.
> 
> > When a try to boot from my CD drive (actually a Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R2102
> > drive), I got the following message:

I don't know if you ever solved this or not (I also didn't see the
message till today).

At any rate, I was trying to get FreeBSD installed on a Sony Vaio, with
those PCMCIA card type CD's.  Couldn't get past the boot with 4.x (1 or
two different versions) or 5.0-DR2. However, with 5.0-RC2, I was able to
boot. (Depends of course, what you're using this machine for, as 5.0
is in the release candidate stage). 

Then, when I went to do the actual install, it said it couldn't locate
the CD. :-(  So, I chose FTP install (I have a broadband connection)
which went fairly well, but it was unable to install the ports
collection.  This was fixed after the first reboot, I ~was~ able to
install cvsup, so I simply cvsup'd the ports collection.

Sorry for the lengthy message, but hope it's of some use.

Sincerely,

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Re: FreeBSD Installation on HP Pavilion ZT1130

[Alex]

Dear/Beste Eduardo,

Saturday, December 7, 2002, 3:29:10 AM, you wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm trying to install the FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE on my HP Pavilion ZT1130
> notebook, but there is some problems.

> Note: my notebook doesn't have floppy drive.

> When a try to boot from my CD drive (actually a Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R2102
> drive), I got the following message:

> BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01
> Console: internal video/keyboard
> BIOS drive C: is disk0
> BIOS 639kB/244672kB available memory

> FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Version 0.8
> ...
> Can't work out which disk we are booting from.
> Guessed BIOS device 0x0 not found by probes, defaulting to disk0:
> ...
> Can't load 'kernel'
> Can't load 'kernel.old'

> I search for any information through search engines on the Internet,
> but I can't find anything.

> Below, there is some information about my machine.

> Thanks in advance and sorry about the long message.

Sorry that i replied this late. I intended to wait a couple of days
and forget about it. I got some general idea's but no solution.

The first thing you could try is installing 4.5. If this does work,
then the new ata driver could be a problem. The second thing to try is
to install the boot image on to a small partition and boot from that.
A swap partition can used (and reused) for this. The thirty thing is
to resend the mail to this list. Somebody could have missed your mail.
If that doesn't work you could try one of the other list. (like
hackers or hardware)

I hope you find anything of my writing useful.

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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

On Monday 15 July 2002 01:04 am, you wrote:
| sorry i did not explain properly, it just hangs at this message.
|
| F1FreeBSD
| Default: F1
| -
|
| hitting F1 or enter does not start the loading process.
| so what could be the cause of the problem?

Unfortunately, I don't have any idea.

Anybody else?

| marc
|
| - Original Message -
| From: "Brian T.Schellenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "Marc Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:22 PM
| Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation problem
|
| > Well, the message is perfectly normal & correct.
| >
| > It should, however, boot up FreeBSD 10 seconds later, or immediately if
|
| you
|
| > hit F1 or Enter.
| >
| > So are we to gather that it hangs instead?  Is that correct?
| >
| > On Monday 15 July 2002 12:33 am, Marc Freeman wrote:
| > | Hi i am trying to installed freeBSD 4.6. but on booting i keep on
|
| getting
|
| > | the message
| > |
| > | F1FreeBSD
| > | Default: F1
| > | -
| > | i have read the FAQ's which say to put a small dos partition at the
| > | beginning of the drive but this has not worked. only giving a - (dash)
|
| at
|
| > | startup. any suggestions would be most appreciable & thanks in advance
| > | marc:-)
| >
| > --
| > Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . .   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal)
| > http://www.babbleon.org
| >
| > http://www.eff.org 
| > http://www.programming-freedom.org

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RE: FreeBSD installation hanging

[Liu, Daniel (CSD engineer)]

Title: Message



I saw 
the same problem before. 
How 
big is your hard disk size? 
And the disk 
size freebsd reported when you install freebsd?
 
 

Regards
Liu Daniel

  
  -Original Message-From: Marc Freeman 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:23 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FreeBSD 
  installation hanging
   
  Hi freebsd-questions:-) i am 
  trying to install freeBSD 4.6 for the first time. after completing the 
  installation and rebooting the computer the following message appears and 
  the computer hangs.F1    FreeBSDDefault: 
  F1-hitting F1 or enter does not start the loading process.what 
  could be the cause of the problem?
   
  it is not a dualboot, but i 
  have tried using both the boot mgr and standard MBR with the same effect. i 
  have also tried installing the whole distribution and a minimal 
  distribution also with no change. 
  thanks in advance 4 the 
  help 
  marc:-)
   
   

Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Adam Weinberger]

what's the problem? hit the F1 key and FreeBSD should start loading.
or hit Enter, even.

or is that not what the problem is?

-Adam


>> (07.14.2002 @ 2133 PST): Marc Freeman said, in 1.8K: <<
> 
>Hi i am trying to installed freeBSD 4.6. but on booting i keep on
>getting the message
> 
> 
> 
>F1FreeBSD
> 
>Default: F1
> 
>-
> 
>i have read the FAQ's which say to put a small dos partition at the
>beginning of the drive but this has not worked. only giving a -
>(dash)  at startup.
> 
>any suggestions would be most appreciable & thanks in advance
> 
>marc:-)
>> end of "FreeBSD installation problem" from Marc Freeman <<


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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Steve Wingate]

On Sun, 2002-07-14 at 21:33, Marc Freeman wrote:
> Hi i am trying to installed freeBSD 4.6. but on booting i keep on getting the 
>message 
> 
> F1FreeBSD
> Default: F1
> -
> i have read the FAQ's which say to put a small dos partition at the beginning of the 
>drive but this has not worked. only giving a - (dash)  at startup.
> any suggestions would be most appreciable & thanks in advance 
> marc:-)

You've left out most all the details someone would need to help you.
Namely:

1. Are you dualbooting?
2. If so, what OS's?
3. If not, why did you install the boot mgr instead of a standard MBR?
4. Did this boot at one time then stop working?
5. Did you try pressing F1? if so, what happened?

Try to think about what someone who reads your question will ask and
answer it before you hit the SEND button :)




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Re: FreeBSD installation problem

[Brian T . Schellenberger]

Well, the message is perfectly normal & correct.

It should, however, boot up FreeBSD 10 seconds later, or immediately if you 
hit F1 or Enter.

So are we to gather that it hangs instead?  Is that correct?



On Monday 15 July 2002 12:33 am, Marc Freeman wrote:
| Hi i am trying to installed freeBSD 4.6. but on booting i keep on getting
| the message
|
| F1FreeBSD
| Default: F1
| -
| i have read the FAQ's which say to put a small dos partition at the
| beginning of the drive but this has not worked. only giving a - (dash)  at
| startup. any suggestions would be most appreciable & thanks in advance
| marc:-)

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