Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Gary Aitken]

On 08/04/13 17:22, Gary Aitken wrote:
> Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
> build is going on.
> 
> I'm running an AMD Phenom II X4 with the AMD-supplied fan in an 
> ASUS M4A89TD PRO / USB3 motherboard.
> 
> The system "works fine" unless I start a cpu-intensive build.
> If I leave it unattended, after some time the system shuts down abruptly.
> I'm guessing it's because of excessive cpu temperatures.
> 
> When doing port builds, or any cpu-intensive job, the temperature of the
> CPU goes from 45 to 50 in about 30 seconds.
>  
> I pretty much have to manually suspend and resume the build process
> to keep it down.  If I do that, I avoid the abrupt shutdown.
> 
> Needless to say, this makes unattended operation a non-starter...
> 
> Does anyone else have a similar setup they can provide me some related
> experience on?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary

Thanks, all, for the replies and insights.
Just a followup:

The factory heatsink was basically incapable of keeping the temp down under
a heavy-processing port build, and BIOS was shutting down when the temp
eventually climbed too high.  xmbmon was my friend for tracking this; using
s and q on the output stream of the build effectively suspended it
when it got around 60C so I could wait until the processor cooled down enough 
to continue.  Doing a sync every second or so also postponed the eventual
overheating for a while, but eventually it would creep up to the shutdown
point.

Replacing the heatsink with a gonzo big one seems to have solved the problem.

As an aside, this is probably what also made me think some time ago that my
SSD was flaky.  Things just ran faster so the cpu overheated sooner.
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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[RW]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:33:55 +0400
Eugene wrote:

> Hello Gary,
> 
> Also make sure there is no packed dirt on the heatsink -- I don't
> know about AMDs, but older Intel heatsinks often tend to accumulate a
> paper-like layer of dirt on the 'top' of heatsink grid, blocking the
> airflow. I once had several thermal shutdowns on my home PC before I
> found that. This does not seem to happen with newer heatsinks so they
> must have changed the design somehow =)

I had a AMD Phenom II X4 and it had exactly that problem. Every few
months I had to remove the fan to get a brush into the fins. An idle
temperature of 45 C sounds about right for one that's been neglected.
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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Perry Hutchison]

Gary Aitken  wrote:

> Air ducting shouldn't be a problem; I've got the side of the case off...

This just might be part of the problem.  Air plumbing
is not as forgiving as it was in the old days.
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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 05/08/2013 06:05, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 08/04/13 21:39, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
This suggests it's not the ACPI in FreeBSD shutting you down, but
something on the motherboard.
That was my guess as well.



As it's probably not FreeBSD you're now asking on the wrong list, and 
other than cooling advice you're not going to get much (unless there are 
any closet over-clockers hereabouts). Personally I favour filling the 
whole case with a pumped fluorocarbon like FC-77 and using a heat 
exchanger to take the heat away in water to use in a fountain in my 
hallway ;-)


The one sensible suggestion no one has made is to check if a BIOS 
upgrade doesn't fix it. As to getting FreeBSD to manage it instead of 
the BIOS: Unfortunately not all chipsets and motherboards are supported. 
If you want to add support yourself see:


/usr/src/sys/dev/acpica

If you want to get some idea of what you're up against see:

/usr/src/sys/dev/acpica/acpi_quirks

I've thought about it a few times but real work always got in the way.

Regards, Frank.

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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Eugene]

Hello Gary,

Also make sure there is no packed dirt on the heatsink -- I don't know about 
AMDs, but older Intel heatsinks often tend to accumulate a paper-like layer 
of dirt on the 'top' of heatsink grid, blocking the airflow. I once had 
several thermal shutdowns on my home PC before I found that. This does not 
seem to happen with newer heatsinks so they must have changed the design 
somehow =)


Best wishes
Eugene

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Giessel

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Gary Aitken
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

You can also try shutting down (obviously), then removing the heat sink, put 
some thermal paste on the processor and reinstall the heat sink.  Sometimes 
there isn't much (any) thermal paste there and the processor can't get the 
heat into the heat sink.


On 2013, Aug 4, at 15:22, Gary Aitken  wrote:


Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
build is going on.


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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Peter Giessel]

You can also try shutting down (obviously), then removing the heat sink, put 
some thermal paste on the processor and reinstall the heat sink.  Sometimes 
there isn't much (any) thermal paste there and the processor can't get the heat 
into the heat sink.

On 2013, Aug 4, at 15:22, Gary Aitken  wrote:

> Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
> build is going on.

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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Gary Aitken]

On 08/04/13 21:39, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> On 05/08/2013 03:01, Gary Aitken wrote:
>>> 50C isn't crazy.
>> Actually, the 50C figure is just where it shoots to for starters. 
>> Mfg specs say 62C max, so I stall the process when it gets around
>> 59 and still climbing steeply.
> 
> The manufactures specs I found when I looked that range of CPUs up
> was 71C
> 
> http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/phenom-ii/Pages/phenom-ii-model-number-comparison.aspx
>
>  But there could be two figures - one for maximum desirable working
> and one for maximum "or else".

Maybe; although the number I quoted wasn't from AMD, and the two I just found
at amd both said 71. 

>>> Did you get anywhere with the ACPI suggestion  Try 
>>> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=1 to make the fan come on and stay on
>>> (tz0 or as appropriate).
>> The fan is on and stays on all the time at the moment...
> 
> It it full speed all the time?

I really don't know what full speed on the fan is / feels like / sounds like.
It's pretty quiet and there's a noisy old system nearby...
xmbmon doesn't show fan speeds, nor does amdtemp provide access to them.
Is there some other kernel module for fan speeds?
 
>>> Here's the fun part. Is your system doing a thermal overload 
>>> shutdown? 
>> There is no indication in messages; the last thing before it shut
>> down the last time was some su's and root logins.
> 
> This suggests it's not the ACPI in FreeBSD shutting you down, but
> something on the motherboard.

That was my guess as well.

>>> it might help if you posted the results of "sysctl
>>> hw.acpi.thermal", but in the mean time look at:
>>> 
>>> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT
>>> 
>> I don't see any of those; here's what shows up in sysctl -a :
>> 
>> hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5 
>> hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5 hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1 
>> hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE hw.acpi.standby_state: S1 
>> hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3 hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1 hw.acpi.s4bios: 0 
>> hw.acpi.verbose: 0 hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0 
>> hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 0 hw.acpi.reset_video: 0 
>> hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1
> 
> Yep - definitely suggests that the thermal control isn't being done
> by FreeBSD! 

ok, but how do I get it in there if I want it?

> Go no further on this route, but check the
> motherboard/BIOS. I had one machine shut itself down due to a faulty
> thermistor (raise the threshold/ignore) but it normally happens when
> the parameters are wrong or the fan has failed. As your fan hasn't
> failed and the reported temperature is believable my best guesses are
> that the BIOS is either picking the wrong shutdown temperature for
> the CPU or your air ducting isn't good enough and it really is
> getting too hot. Is there a chance that the BIOS pre-dates the CPU
> and just doesn't know its working parameters, and is therefore
> playing safe?

I'll check the BIOS next time I reboot.
Air ducting shouldn't be a problem; I've got the side of the case off...

> Incidentally, ACPI is an Intel specification but applies AMD64 CPUs
> too. The thermal module only works on some chip-sets. FWIW I've found
> it works on more AMD platforms than it does Intel ones.
> 
> Regards, Frank.

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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 05/08/2013 03:01, Gary Aitken wrote:

> 50C isn't crazy.
Actually, the 50C figure is just where it shoots to for starters.
Mfg specs say 62C max, so I stall the process when it gets around 59
and still climbing steeply.


The manufactures specs I found when I looked that range of CPUs up was 71C

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/phenom-ii/Pages/phenom-ii-model-number-comparison.aspx

But there could be two figures - one for maximum desirable working and 
one for maximum "or else".




Did you get anywhere with the ACPI suggestion  Try
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=1 to make the fan come on and stay on (tz0
or as appropriate).

The fan is on and stays on all the time at the moment...


It it full speed all the time?



Here's the fun part. Is your system doing a thermal overload
shutdown? 

There is no indication in messages; the last thing before it shut down
the last time was some su's and root logins.


This suggests it's not the ACPI in FreeBSD shutting you down, but 
something on the motherboard.






it might help if you posted the results of "sysctl hw.acpi.thermal",
but in the mean time look at:

hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT


I don't see any of those; here's what shows up in sysctl -a :

hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5
hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5
hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1
hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE
hw.acpi.standby_state: S1
hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3
hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1
hw.acpi.s4bios: 0
hw.acpi.verbose: 0
hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.reset_video: 0
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1


Yep - definitely suggests that the thermal control isn't being done by 
FreeBSD! Go no further on this route, but check the motherboard/BIOS. I 
had one machine shut itself down due to a faulty thermistor (raise the 
threshold/ignore) but it normally happens when the parameters are wrong 
or the fan has failed. As your fan hasn't failed and the reported 
temperature is believable my best guesses are that the BIOS is either 
picking the wrong shutdown temperature for the CPU or your air ducting 
isn't good enough and it really is getting too hot. Is there a chance 
that the BIOS pre-dates the CPU and just doesn't know its working 
parameters, and is therefore playing safe?


Incidentally, ACPI is an Intel specification but applies AMD64 CPUs too. 
The thermal module only works on some chip-sets. FWIW I've found it 
works on more AMD platforms than it does Intel ones.


Regards, Frank.

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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Gary Aitken]

On 08/04/13 18:30, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> On 05/08/2013 00:29, Gary Aitken wrote:
>> On 08/04/13 17:22, Gary Aitken wrote:
>>> Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang
>>> fast when a build is going on.
>>> 
>>> I'm running an AMD Phenom II X4 with the AMD-supplied fan in an 
>>> ASUS M4A89TD PRO / USB3 motherboard.
>>> 
>>> The system "works fine" unless I start a cpu-intensive build. If
>>> I leave it unattended, after some time the system shuts down
>>> abruptly. I'm guessing it's because of excessive cpu
>>> temperatures.
>>> 
>>> When doing port builds, or any cpu-intensive job, the temperature
>>> of the CPU goes from 45 to 50 in about 30 seconds. I pretty much
>>> have to manually suspend and resume the build process to keep it
>>> down.  If I do that, I avoid the abrupt shutdown.
>>> 
>>> Needless to say, this makes unattended operation a
>>> non-starter...
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else have a similar setup they can provide me some
>>> related experience on?
>> BTW, the mobo temp stays down around 32.
>> 
> 
> Did you get that from the ACPI?

I think so; via amdtemp and xmbmon

> Obvious answers are a bigger fan, but a lot of home-build machines
> don't match the airflow through the case properly - if the CPU fan is
> blowing pre-warmed air on to the CPU it's not as good as blowing
> outside air.
> 
> 50C isn't crazy. Some would say that was barely warm, in fact. Cooler
> is always better, but you possibly don't need to worry about this.
> Some CPUs use what they call passive temperature management, and
> power management, which means they increase or reduce the clock rate
> depending on the workload and whether it's getting too hot. Faster
> switching means more heat. So getting hotter when doing a lot of work
> makes sense and could be expected. (Winchesters really heat up like
> you wouldn't believe when you move the heads a lot).

Actually, the 50C figure is just where it shoots to for starters.
Mfg specs say 62C max, so I stall the process when it gets around 59
and still climbing steeply.

> Did you get anywhere with the ACPI suggestion (you emailed me
> privately, whether you meant to or not, but didn't mention the
> outcome). There's a lot there in the ACPI you might want to look in
> to, including fan control. If I understand it correctly, "passive
> cooling" will be engaged by acpi_thermal if the cpufreq drivers are
> in use, which may not be what you want. Try
> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=1 to make the fan come on and stay on (tz0
> or as appropriate).

The fan is on and stays on all the time at the moment...

> Here's the fun part. Is your system doing a thermal overload
> shutdown? it will say so on the console, or in the message log. You
> didn't say, you just said it "shut down". If it's deciding to shut
> down through over-temperature it does not necesarily mean it's
> overheating; it could be that it has incorrectly set the shutdown
> temperatue for your CPU to be far too low - possibly because it
> doesn't recognise it and is being over-cautious.

There is no indication in messages; the last thing before it shut down
the last time was some su's and root logins.

> it might help if you posted the results of "sysctl hw.acpi.thermal",
> but in the mean time look at:
> 
> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT
> 
> (replace tz0 with whatever tz you're worried about).

I don't see any of those; here's what shows up in sysctl -a :

hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5
hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5
hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1
hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE
hw.acpi.standby_state: S1
hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3
hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1
hw.acpi.s4bios: 0
hw.acpi.verbose: 0
hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.reset_video: 0
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1

> The first is the temperature when the system is supposed to stop what
> it's doing and suspend to disk (if it can). When it reaches the value
> on _CRT it'll write a message to the log file and shut down
> immediately to prevent damage. You can set these to whatever you
> want, but you have to set hw.acpi.thermal.user_override to 1 first
> before it will let you. Final trick - make sure you specify the
> temperatures like
> 
> sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT=80C

# sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override
sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal.user_override'

obviously, something missing...

I tried loading coretemp, but no additional hw.acpi variables;
and the man page says it is for intel, not amd.

> Don't specify it as 80.0C (as it will display) and don't forget the C
> or it will assume degrees Kelvin!
> 
> Regards, Frank.
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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 05/08/2013 00:29, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 08/04/13 17:22, Gary Aitken wrote:

Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
build is going on.

I'm running an AMD Phenom II X4 with the AMD-supplied fan in an
ASUS M4A89TD PRO / USB3 motherboard.

The system "works fine" unless I start a cpu-intensive build.
If I leave it unattended, after some time the system shuts down abruptly.
I'm guessing it's because of excessive cpu temperatures.

When doing port builds, or any cpu-intensive job, the temperature of the
CPU goes from 45 to 50 in about 30 seconds.
  
I pretty much have to manually suspend and resume the build process

to keep it down.  If I do that, I avoid the abrupt shutdown.

Needless to say, this makes unattended operation a non-starter...

Does anyone else have a similar setup they can provide me some related
experience on?

BTW, the mobo temp stays down around 32.



Did you get that from the ACPI?

Obvious answers are a bigger fan, but a lot of home-build machines don't 
match the airflow through the case properly - if the CPU fan is blowing 
pre-warmed air on to the CPU it's not as good as blowing outside air.


50C isn't crazy. Some would say that was barely warm, in fact. Cooler is 
always better, but you possibly don't need to worry about this. Some 
CPUs use what they call passive temperature management, and power 
management, which means they increase or reduce the clock rate depending 
on the workload and whether it's getting too hot. Faster switching means 
more heat. So getting hotter when doing a lot of work makes sense and 
could be expected. (Winchesters really heat up like you wouldn't believe 
when you move the heads a lot).


Did you get anywhere with the ACPI suggestion (you emailed me privately, 
whether you meant to or not, but didn't mention the outcome). There's a 
lot there in the ACPI you might want to look in to, including fan 
control. If I understand it correctly, "passive cooling" will be engaged 
by acpi_thermal if the cpufreq drivers are in use, which may not be what 
you want. Try hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=1 to make the fan come on and 
stay on (tz0 or as appropriate).


Here's the fun part. Is your system doing a thermal overload shutdown? 
it will say so on the console, or in the message log. You didn't say, 
you just said it "shut down". If it's deciding to shut down through 
over-temperature it does not necesarily mean it's overheating; it could 
be that it has incorrectly set the shutdown temperatue for your CPU to 
be far too low - possibly because it doesn't recognise it and is being 
over-cautious.


it might help if you posted the results of "sysctl hw.acpi.thermal", but 
in the mean time look at:


hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT

(replace tz0 with whatever tz you're worried about).

The first is the temperature when the system is supposed to stop what 
it's doing and suspend to disk (if it can). When it reaches the value on 
_CRT it'll write a message to the log file and shut down immediately to 
prevent damage. You can set these to whatever you want, but you have to 
set hw.acpi.thermal.user_override to 1 first before it will let you. 
Final trick - make sure you specify the temperatures like


sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT=80C

Don't specify it as 80.0C (as it will display) and don't forget the C or 
it will assume degrees Kelvin!


Regards, Frank.




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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Joshua Isom]

On 8/4/2013 6:29 PM, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 08/04/13 17:22, Gary Aitken wrote:

Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
build is going on.

I'm running an AMD Phenom II X4 with the AMD-supplied fan in an
ASUS M4A89TD PRO / USB3 motherboard.

The system "works fine" unless I start a cpu-intensive build.
If I leave it unattended, after some time the system shuts down abruptly.
I'm guessing it's because of excessive cpu temperatures.

When doing port builds, or any cpu-intensive job, the temperature of the
CPU goes from 45 to 50 in about 30 seconds.

I pretty much have to manually suspend and resume the build process
to keep it down.  If I do that, I avoid the abrupt shutdown.

Needless to say, this makes unattended operation a non-starter...

Does anyone else have a similar setup they can provide me some related
experience on?


BTW, the mobo temp stays down around 32.


You need a better heatsink and fan for your CPU.  If you're idle temp is 
45, that's too high.  By using powerd, so it's 800MHz, and being idle 
I'm at around 26C, presumably.  It peaks at 45C on parallel builds.  In 
the meantime, you can set the maximum cpu speed, which I recommend 
powerd for.


Here's a tip when shopping, get a big beefy heatsink with a standard fan 
size, and replace the fan with something beefier.  Either that or water 
cooling.

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Re: AMD Phenom II X4 temperature issues (was Re: hardware monitor)

[Gary Aitken]

On 08/04/13 17:22, Gary Aitken wrote:
> Ok, so now I see that my cpu temperature shoots up pretty dang fast when a
> build is going on.
> 
> I'm running an AMD Phenom II X4 with the AMD-supplied fan in an 
> ASUS M4A89TD PRO / USB3 motherboard.
> 
> The system "works fine" unless I start a cpu-intensive build.
> If I leave it unattended, after some time the system shuts down abruptly.
> I'm guessing it's because of excessive cpu temperatures.
> 
> When doing port builds, or any cpu-intensive job, the temperature of the
> CPU goes from 45 to 50 in about 30 seconds.
>  
> I pretty much have to manually suspend and resume the build process
> to keep it down.  If I do that, I avoid the abrupt shutdown.
> 
> Needless to say, this makes unattended operation a non-starter...
> 
> Does anyone else have a similar setup they can provide me some related
> experience on?

BTW, the mobo temp stays down around 32.
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Re: AMD Radeon CUDA under FreeBSD?

[Eduardo Morras]

At 20:00 24/06/2012, Dennis Glatting wrote:

I found useful blogs regarding NVIDIA but nothing useful how to get CUDA
installed for the AMD Radeon series chips under FreeBSD, native or
Linux.

Would someone please point me to a clue? Google wasn't helpful.


AFAIK AMD has no official driver for freebsd. Most of the AMD GPGPU 
tools only work for Windows, some on Linux. You must know that AMD 
doesn't have a CUDA licence, only an OpenCL, so you can't use CUDA 
code on AMDs gpus.


HTH 



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Re: AMD 850/950 support?

[Vladimir Kushnir]

Hi Rob

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Rob wrote:

Anyone know if FreeBSD 8.2 supports the AMD 850 and/or 950 southbridge?  I've 
been looking on the web without much luck (unusual) and the hardware docs for 
the release for the ata driver only mentions 5 amd chipsets.  Is there 
perhaps a different chipset I should be looking for to determine ata support 
for those southbridges?


Rob


Not sure about 8.x. As far as I'm concerned SB850 seems to be supported 
fairly well under -CURRENT. My present setup:

Phenom II 970;
AsRock 890GX Extreme4 (it's AMD 890GX/SB850, SATA-3, USB3 etc.);
SATA-3 HDD (Hitachi);
FreeBSD amd64-CURRENT updated some every 2-3 weeks since the last May.
So far everything seems to work properly.

WBR,
Vladimir
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/24/10 01:44, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock
  wrote:
   

On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:
 

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
wrote:


   

Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth
putting
feelers out, though :)


 

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a
939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.



   

Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a
local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were
754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was
just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that
may have been local.
 

I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64

Chris
   
No, but you're right I'll agree. Mustn't have been available via my 
sources though- only the 32bit processors were 754 here, 64 had to be a 
939. Probably some smartarse' marketing ploy... :)

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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Robert]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:23:30 +1000
Da Rock  wrote:

> I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this
> CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe
> dreaming too :) ):
> 
> 184 pin RAM DIMM
> SataIII 4+ ports
> Either onboard or AGP Video
> 2x Gigabit LAN
> 
> Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the
> HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs
> could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb
> SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.
> 
> I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still
> choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need
> for as many SATA ports is a must :)
> 
> Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very
> hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be
> very welcome :)

I just did a quick search on ebay australia for "socket 939
motherboard" and hit this

http://shop.ebay.com.au/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=socket+939+motherboard&_sacat=See-All-Categories

One of my computers is a Asus A8N-VM 939. It has 2 ports for SATA and
I added another SATA card into the PCI-E x1 slot. I found an AMD64x2
CPU on ebay that was reasonable nad have 4G of RAM. This is not the
latest or greatest but it is still a very functional computer.

I hope this helps.

Robert

P.S. I will be taking my first trip to AU in February and am quite
excited  about it.
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock
 wrote:
> On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:
>>
>> On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
>>> thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth
>>> putting
>>> feelers out, though :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a
>> 939?
>>
>> Sorry you're not having much luck.
>>
>> If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
>> but that's better left to someone more local for you!
>>
>> Hope you get some results soon.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a
> local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were
> 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was
> just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that
> may have been local.

I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Whitehouse]

On 12/23/10 13:57, Da Rock wrote:


I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare
chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda
worth it.

It might be worth looking at Intel Atom processor boards or similar, 
there are plenty of very low power boards around now. If you can find 
something that suits you will recoup the cost of the new processor and 
RAM with much reduced electricity consumption, I believe around 10 times 
less.


There's been a few threads recently about low power boards. eg this thread
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=411819+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101128.freebsd-questions

suggests this board

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPE.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y
which looks like it covers what you want.

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
  wrote:

   

Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting
feelers out, though :)

 

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.


   
Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have 
been a local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then 
Semperon's were 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were 
AM2, but that was just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I 
believe. But again, that may have been local.


I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare 
chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda 
worth it.


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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
 wrote:

>
> Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
> thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting
> feelers out, though :)
>

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/23/10 21:36, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock
  wrote:
   

I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU
into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too
:) ):

184 pin RAM DIMM
SataIII 4+ ports
Either onboard or AGP Video
2x Gigabit LAN

Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to
the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe
dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather
not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.

I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my
method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA
ports is a must :)

Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to
find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :)

Cheers
 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138

I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au

You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card.

Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging
an old CPU like that.

Chris
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Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but 
I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth 
putting feelers out, though :)


Cheers
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock
 wrote:
> I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU
> into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too
> :) ):
>
> 184 pin RAM DIMM
> SataIII 4+ ports
> Either onboard or AGP Video
> 2x Gigabit LAN
>
> Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to
> the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe
> dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather
> not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.
>
> I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my
> method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA
> ports is a must :)
>
> Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to
> find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :)
>
> Cheers

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138

I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au

You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card.

Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging
an old CPU like that.

Chris
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Re: AMD 64 X2 - Dual Core?

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:35 PM, krad  wrote:
> I totally disagree with using the 32bit unless you have a specific
> need or potentially if you are running it as a desktop. 64 everytime
> for servers for loads of reasons. If you are running less than 4 gig
> their is a fair chance you will in the next few years
>

I second Krad, though 64bit may use considerably more RAM in general,
but the overall computing throughput is very much worth it. We use AMD
64 in all our HW for several years now and are _very happy_, both FBSD
and Linux.

Best,
Alejandro Imass

> On 3/20/10, Gene  wrote:
>> Hi -
>> I just got a board with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 cpu. I was wondering -
>>
>> 1) Is the amd64 8.0 release the fbsd of choice here?
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2) Does it take advantage of the athlon's dual cores?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> IHN,
>> Gene
>>
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Re: AMD 64 X2 - Dual Core?

[krad]

I totally disagree with using the 32bit unless you have a specific
need or potentially if you are running it as a desktop. 64 everytime
for servers for loads of reasons. If you are running less than 4 gig
their is a fair chance you will in the next few years

On 3/20/10, Gene  wrote:
> Hi -
> I just got a board with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 cpu. I was wondering -
>
> 1) Is the amd64 8.0 release the fbsd of choice here?
>
> and
>
> 2) Does it take advantage of the athlon's dual cores?
>
> Thanks,
>
> IHN,
> Gene
>
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Re: AMD 64 X2 - Dual Core?

[Mike Tancsa]

At 02:46 PM 3/20/2010, Gene wrote:

Hi -
I just got a board with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 cpu. I was wondering -

1) Is the amd64 8.0 release the fbsd of choice here?


Yes.  8.0R is the way to go. However, you might want to bring it upto 
date after installing it as there are a number of bug fixes and 
feature enhancements since the release of 8.0.  The FreeBSD handbook 
tells you how to do it.



and

2) Does it take advantage of the athlon's dual cores?



Both the i386 (32bit) and AMD64 (64bit) versions take advantage of 
multiple cores.  If you have more than 4G of RAM, use the 64 bit 
version, otherwise use the 32bit install.



---Mike



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Re: AMD SB700 southbridge sata ahci supported?

[Gobbledegeek]

Thanks for responding. My problem is different.I think it is in boot
stage 2 possibly a problem with the loader. Hence my problem does not
resemble yours. I am able to run the install disk just fine nd
complete installation. Its the installed Os that I cannot boot.

Kind Regards

>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Rhomel Chinsio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Try disabling USB in the BIOS:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/122880
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Gobbledegeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I install freebsd 7 i386 twice, installed mbr, both times boot loader
>>> failed to load at 1st stage with cpu register values displayed on
>>> screen.
>>> Mobo - gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, AMD 780G chipset with ATI Radeon3200
>>> IGP, cpu  amd BE-2350, 2GB transcend DR2800 ram, barracuda hdd with
>>> SATA in AHCI mode in bios.
>>>
>>> I could not find this in the i386 or amd64 platform list.
>>>
>>> Anyone has any ideas about support for this?
>>>
>>> Please copy me as I am not subscribed.
>>>
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Re: AMD SB700 southbridge sata ahci supported?

[Rhomel Chinsio]

Try disabling USB in the BIOS:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/122880

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Gobbledegeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> I install freebsd 7 i386 twice, installed mbr, both times boot loader
> failed to load at 1st stage with cpu register values displayed on
> screen.
> Mobo - gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, AMD 780G chipset with ATI Radeon3200
> IGP, cpu  amd BE-2350, 2GB transcend DR2800 ram, barracuda hdd with
> SATA in AHCI mode in bios.
>
> I could not find this in the i386 or amd64 platform list.
>
> Anyone has any ideas about support for this?
>
> Please copy me as I am not subscribed.
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Re: amd

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On 7/15/07, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:25:46PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a C developer. I normally use Linux but I'm trying FreeBSD with
> limited success.
>
> First thing I need to do mount an NFS volume. I was able to mount it
> manually. Fine. Then I added an entry to amd.map, did 'amd /mnt
> /etc/amd.map' and tried to access the directory in /mnt and it worked.
> Fine. Then I killed amd, tried and failed to figure out how to get amd
> to start automatically on boot. Then I tried to start amd again as
> before and now it doesn't work:

Daemons are enabled in /etc/rc.conf. You can see the defaults in
/etc/defaults/rc.conf.

For amd and nfs you should have the following in /etc/rc.conf:

rpcbind_enable="YES"
amd_enable="YES"


Hi Roland,

Indeed. That worked.


nfs_client_enable="YES"

Section §24.3 of the FreeBSD handbook can enlighten you further. You can
find an english HTML version in
file:///usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html

Reading the relevant sections of the Handbook if a good way to become
acquainted with FreeBSD.


Well I didn't install X but I see there's an online version. Nice.

Thanks,
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Re: amd

[Garrett Cooper]

Roland Smith wrote:

On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:25:46PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote:
  

Hello,

I'm a C developer. I normally use Linux but I'm trying FreeBSD with
limited success.

First thing I need to do mount an NFS volume. I was able to mount it
manually. Fine. Then I added an entry to amd.map, did 'amd /mnt
/etc/amd.map' and tried to access the directory in /mnt and it worked.
Fine. Then I killed amd, tried and failed to figure out how to get amd
to start automatically on boot. Then I tried to start amd again as
before and now it doesn't work:



Daemons are enabled in /etc/rc.conf. You can see the defaults in
/etc/defaults/rc.conf. 


For amd and nfs you should have the following in /etc/rc.conf:

rpcbind_enable="YES"
amd_enable="YES"
nfs_client_enable="YES"

Section §24.3 of the FreeBSD handbook can enlighten you further. You can
find an english HTML version in 
file:///usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html


Reading the relevant sections of the Handbook if a good way to become
acquainted with FreeBSD.

Roland
  

Michael,
   The online equivalent of the handbook chapter is: 
, 
with the section in amd here: 
.
   If you follow the directions and still have issues, please include 
relevant snippets from rc.conf, your amd maps, and /etc/exports.
   Don't forget to run showexport -e {hostname|IP} on the remote 
server. It can help you determine if the problem is present on the 
server or the client.

   Best of luck and hope you do well getting used to FreeBSD.
-Garrett
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Re: amd

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:25:46PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a C developer. I normally use Linux but I'm trying FreeBSD with
> limited success.
> 
> First thing I need to do mount an NFS volume. I was able to mount it
> manually. Fine. Then I added an entry to amd.map, did 'amd /mnt
> /etc/amd.map' and tried to access the directory in /mnt and it worked.
> Fine. Then I killed amd, tried and failed to figure out how to get amd
> to start automatically on boot. Then I tried to start amd again as
> before and now it doesn't work:

Daemons are enabled in /etc/rc.conf. You can see the defaults in
/etc/defaults/rc.conf. 

For amd and nfs you should have the following in /etc/rc.conf:

rpcbind_enable="YES"
amd_enable="YES"
nfs_client_enable="YES"

Section §24.3 of the FreeBSD handbook can enlighten you further. You can
find an english HTML version in 
file:///usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html

Reading the relevant sections of the Handbook if a good way to become
acquainted with FreeBSD.

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Re: amd

[Dick Hoogendijk]

"Jeff Mohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Dick:
>
> It would have been graceful to say nothing in the sense that you
> dont KNOW the answer, than point out that there are differences.

Yes, as would it have been graceful _not_ to top quote.

It's also premature to think I don't know the answer.
I just wanted to point out there is a learning curve, that's all.

But you're miles may vary.

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Re: amd

[Jeff Mohler]

Dick:

It would have been graceful to say nothing in the sense that you dont KNOW
the answer, than point out that there are differences.

On 7/15/07, Dick Hoogendijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm a C developer. I normally use Linux but I'm trying FreeBSD with
> limited success.

FreeBSD is quite different from linux. There is a learning curve.

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Re: amd

[Dick Hoogendijk]

"Michael B Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm a C developer. I normally use Linux but I'm trying FreeBSD with
> limited success.

FreeBSD is quite different from linux. There is a learning curve.

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Re: amd ports

[eoghan]

On 20 Sep 2006, at 17:51, Chuck Swiger wrote:


On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:19 AM, eoghan wrote:
Just a general question about the ports for freebsd. I am now  
running 6.1 on amd64. Got most of what I need, but noticed that  
some ports are only i386 - like the flock browser and skype.  
Obviously I can live without these but was just wondering if there  
is a place I could check to see whether these would be available  
for amd in the future?


Certainly.  The best place would be with the port maintainer, if  
any is listed, and with the project-specific mailing list,  
webforum, original developer(s), or whatever.  The latter may be  
more helpful, as not all port maintainers may have access to AMD64/ 
EM64T hardware.


Ok thanks for the info everyone.
Eoghan

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Re: amd ports

[Chuck Swiger]

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:19 AM, eoghan wrote:
Just a general question about the ports for freebsd. I am now  
running 6.1 on amd64. Got most of what I need, but noticed that  
some ports are only i386 - like the flock browser and skype.  
Obviously I can live without these but was just wondering if there  
is a place I could check to see whether these would be available  
for amd in the future?


Certainly.  The best place would be with the port maintainer, if any  
is listed, and with the project-specific mailing list, webforum,  
original developer(s), or whatever.  The latter may be more helpful,  
as not all port maintainers may have access to AMD64/EM64T hardware.


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Re: amd ports

[Alex Zbyslaw]

eoghan wrote:


Hi
Just a general question about the ports for freebsd. I am now running 
6.1 on amd64. Got most of what I need, but noticed that some ports are 
only i386 - like the flock browser and skype. Obviously I can live 
without these but was just wondering if there is a place I could check 
to see whether these would be available for amd in the future?


http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ might have what you want.  It's 
all the errors from building packages from ports.  But it the port is 
specifically deprecated on amd64 it might not actually even try to build 
the package - not sure.


For specific ports, I would suggest contacting the maintainer and asking 
them about amd64.


You could also consider just running i386 version.  The consensus seems 
to be that for desktop use the performance difference won't be much.  
Never found time to try amd64 and i386 works fine for me :-)


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Re: AMD 64 3000

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Aug 18, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Nikolas Britton wrote:


On 8/18/06, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web  
server? We
> are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly slow. I'm  
hesitant

> to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for freeBSD?

What are you doing that would make that seem slow?
Are you sure it is the processor and not some other
part that is the bottleneck, such as disk or NIC or
your pipe to the outside world (ISP)?



He's probably running a big PHP web app... If so try eaccelerator
first, it's in ports under www/eaccelerator. It's an opcode cache for
PHP... should give you a major speed boost.


Yes, I have this running.  Made a HUGE difference.  If it is indeed a  
PHP thing.


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Re: AMD 64 3000

[Nikolas Britton]

On 8/18/06, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web server? We
> are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly slow. I'm hesitant
> to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for freeBSD?

What are you doing that would make that seem slow?
Are you sure it is the processor and not some other
part that is the bottleneck, such as disk or NIC or
your pipe to the outside world (ISP)?



He's probably running a big PHP web app... If so try eaccelerator
first, it's in ports under www/eaccelerator. It's an opcode cache for
PHP... should give you a major speed boost.


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Re: AMD 64 3000

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web server? We 
> are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly slow. I'm hesitant 
> to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for freeBSD?

What are you doing that would make that seem slow?
Are you sure it is the processor and not some other
part that is the bottleneck, such as disk or NIC or 
your pipe to the outside world (ISP)?

Unless you are doing some awful major crunching such as
combining a major size database with heavy calculation on 
stuff that your server puts up, you could run a pretty major 
web site on 1/4 that CPU.   Just feeding web pages, even with
pretty good size forms shouldn't be a problem.   

So, yes, 64 bits should be OK, but I wonder if it would 
solve your speed problem - if some other part of the
process is what is really holding things up.

jerry

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Re: AMD 64 3000

[Paul Schmehl]

Robin Becker wrote:
Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web server? 
We are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly slow. I'm 
hesitant to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for freeBSD?


We're running 6.0 RELEASE on amd64 dual processors with apache 1.3.x, 
and we haven't encountered any problems.


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Re: AMD 64 3000

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Aug 18, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Robin Becker wrote:

Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web  
server? We are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly  
slow. I'm hesitant to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for  
freeBSD?


You can always run the 32bit FreeBSD on this if it makes you more  
comfortable.  That is what I do with all my Opteron machines.


What sort of webserving are you doing that the Celeron is slow?

Chad


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Re: AMD problem

[Toomas Aas]

Fraser wrote:



 recently i have ordered "FreeBSD 5.4 CDs"
from UK. Presently i am using "Celeron-600 on
SiS-630". I know "FreeBSD" will work on my system.
since i have Celeron i said to them that i have i386
architecture. Now in the next month i want to purchase
a new computer (as i have an old & quite slow
machine). 


I am thinking of buying AMD-athlon-64. I know that
FreeBSD will work on AMD64 architecture but what i do
not know is will the same CDs will work for AMD64? 


There are two(*) separate versions of FreeBSD: one for i386 architecture 
and one for x86-64 architecture. Unfortunately I do not know whether the 
CD pack you purchased contains only i386 version or also the x86-64 version.


What I do know, however, is that you can run the i386 version of FreeBSD 
on Athlon64. That's because Athlon64 has hardware-level 32-bit emulation 
and it can run any 32bit OS. So even if you only have the CDs for i386 
version of FreeBSD, that's still no reason to not buy an Athlon64 machine.


Hope this helps.

(*) actually, there are more than two versions, but that's not relevant 
for our discussion here.

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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[Andrew P.]

On 9/23/05, jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew P. wrote:
>
> >On 9/22/05, jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Andrew P. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello!
> >>>
> >>>So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
> >>>SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
> >>>ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
> >>>be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
> >>>Here's a part of dmesg:
> >>>
> >>>CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
> >>>(1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
> >>>Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2
> >>>
> >>> Features=0x78bfbff >>>PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
> >>>PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
> >>> Features2=0x1
> >>> AMD Features=0xe2500800 >>>,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>
> >>>
> >>>I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
> >>>to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
> >>>AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
> >>>every feature I've got?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thanks very much,
> >>>Andrew P.
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>man make.conf and man gcc
> >>
> >>You will be limited by the gcc version on FreeBSD.  You can use gcc 4
> >>for your apps, and all that SSE and 3DNow  stuff is not currently
> >>allowed in the kernel.
> >>
> >>I remember ready, maybe on slashdot, where a man did very little work to
> >>do a native port of ssh to native amd64 code and got a hugh speed
> >>boost.  Making sure you get a optimized version os ssh like what I
> >>described will make a much bigger difference than just adding amd64 as
> >>your cp type to make.conf.
> >>
> >>Jason
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I run FreeBSD/i386, not amd64.
> >
> >make.conf, gcc and cpp manpages tell you nothing about
> >the subj. I roamed mailing lists for a few hours and settled on
> >adding "-march=pentium4 -msse3" to CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS.
> >I didn't do any serious benchmarking, but the `top` output feels
> >like sshd got 2-3% performance boost. Will try to recompile
> >with "-mfpmath=sse" later.
> >
> >Also, I tried forwarding X11 over network without SSH, and
> >some things kept lagging. My guess is network connection
> >and my solution is a Gigabit switch; the funny thing is that
> >I have Gb NICs in most of my PCs, but I still use a 100Mb
> >switch.
> >
> >
> >
> Hmm, that sucks.  The K8 core in 32bit mode.  I have heard of native 32
> bit semprons, is that what you have?
>
> Well check this man page
> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options
>
> it will have everything, I hope, you need to know.
>

Native 32-bit mode? All AMD Athlon64/Sempron/Opteron CPUs
support 32-bit mode quite natively. As for Semprons - there are
some called "64-bit enabled". I have one of those.

Thanks very much for the link. I put some knobs into my
make.conf file - but it's not just that easy, no. Some apps
do not like the newer knobs like -msse3, so I have yet to
come up with a better solution than to edit make.conf
before each build.
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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[jason]

Andrew P. wrote:


On 9/22/05, jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Andrew P. wrote:

   


Hello!

So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
Here's a part of dmesg:

CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
(1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2

Features=0x78bfbff
Features2=0x1
AMD Features=0xe2500800,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>

I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
every feature I've got?


Thanks very much,
Andrew P.
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man make.conf and man gcc

You will be limited by the gcc version on FreeBSD.  You can use gcc 4
for your apps, and all that SSE and 3DNow  stuff is not currently
allowed in the kernel.

I remember ready, maybe on slashdot, where a man did very little work to
do a native port of ssh to native amd64 code and got a hugh speed
boost.  Making sure you get a optimized version os ssh like what I
described will make a much bigger difference than just adding amd64 as
your cp type to make.conf.

Jason
   



I run FreeBSD/i386, not amd64.

make.conf, gcc and cpp manpages tell you nothing about
the subj. I roamed mailing lists for a few hours and settled on
adding "-march=pentium4 -msse3" to CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS.
I didn't do any serious benchmarking, but the `top` output feels
like sshd got 2-3% performance boost. Will try to recompile
with "-mfpmath=sse" later.

Also, I tried forwarding X11 over network without SSH, and
some things kept lagging. My guess is network connection
and my solution is a Gigabit switch; the funny thing is that
I have Gb NICs in most of my PCs, but I still use a 100Mb
switch.

 

Hmm, that sucks.  The K8 core in 32bit mode.  I have heard of native 32 
bit semprons, is that what you have?


Well check this man page
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options

it will have everything, I hope, you need to know.
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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[Andrew P.]

On 9/22/05, jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew P. wrote:
>
> >Hello!
> >
> >So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
> >SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
> >ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
> >be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
> >Here's a part of dmesg:
> >
> >CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
> >(1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
> >Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2
> >
> >  Features=0x78bfbff >PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
> >PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
> >  Features2=0x1
> >  AMD Features=0xe2500800 >,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>
> >
> >I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
> >to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
> >AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
> >every feature I've got?
> >
> >
> >Thanks very much,
> >Andrew P.
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> >
> man make.conf and man gcc
>
> You will be limited by the gcc version on FreeBSD.  You can use gcc 4
> for your apps, and all that SSE and 3DNow  stuff is not currently
> allowed in the kernel.
>
> I remember ready, maybe on slashdot, where a man did very little work to
> do a native port of ssh to native amd64 code and got a hugh speed
> boost.  Making sure you get a optimized version os ssh like what I
> described will make a much bigger difference than just adding amd64 as
> your cp type to make.conf.
>
> Jason

I run FreeBSD/i386, not amd64.

make.conf, gcc and cpp manpages tell you nothing about
the subj. I roamed mailing lists for a few hours and settled on
adding "-march=pentium4 -msse3" to CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS.
I didn't do any serious benchmarking, but the `top` output feels
like sshd got 2-3% performance boost. Will try to recompile
with "-mfpmath=sse" later.

Also, I tried forwarding X11 over network without SSH, and
some things kept lagging. My guess is network connection
and my solution is a Gigabit switch; the funny thing is that
I have Gb NICs in most of my PCs, but I still use a 100Mb
switch.
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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[jason]

Andrew P. wrote:


Hello!

So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
Here's a part of dmesg:

CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
(1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2

 Features=0x78bfbff
 Features2=0x1
 AMD Features=0xe2500800,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>

I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
every feature I've got?


Thanks very much,
Andrew P.
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man make.conf and man gcc

You will be limited by the gcc version on FreeBSD.  You can use gcc 4 
for your apps, and all that SSE and 3DNow  stuff is not currently 
allowed in the kernel.


I remember ready, maybe on slashdot, where a man did very little work to 
do a native port of ssh to native amd64 code and got a hugh speed 
boost.  Making sure you get a optimized version os ssh like what I 
described will make a much bigger difference than just adding amd64 as 
your cp type to make.conf.


Jason
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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 9/21/05, Josh Paetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 September 2005 15:21, Andrew P. wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
> > SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
> > ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
> > be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
> > Here's a part of dmesg:
> >
> > CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
> > (1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
> > Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2
> >
> >   Features=0x78bfbff > PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
> > PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
> >   Features2=0x1
> >   AMD Features=0xe2500800 > ,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>
> >
> > I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
> > to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
> > AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
> > every feature I've got?
> >
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > Andrew P.
> 
> I don't know what options to put in /etc/make.conf, but I see that you
> are running your FSB @ 133mhz when it should be @ 166mhz.  A Sempron
> 2500+ runs at 1.75ghz

Not necessarily. There are several 2500+ Sempron models that operate
at different speeds, check out for example this one:
http://www.computergate.com/products/item.cfm?prodcd=IP8AS25RB@

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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[Andrew P.]

On 9/21/05, Josh Paetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 September 2005 15:21, Andrew P. wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
> > SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
> > ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
> > be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
> > Here's a part of dmesg:
> >
> > CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
> > (1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
> > Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2
> >
> >   Features=0x78bfbff > PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
> > PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
> >   Features2=0x1
> >   AMD Features=0xe2500800 > ,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>
> >
> > I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
> > to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
> > AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
> > every feature I've got?
> >
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > Andrew P.
> 
> I don't know what options to put in /etc/make.conf, but I see that you
> are running your FSB @ 133mhz when it should be @ 166mhz.  A Sempron
> 2500+ runs at 1.75ghz

There are different Semprons marked 2500+. Mine is
equipped with 256Kb L2 cache and runs and 1.4GHz.
Any other suggestions? :)

Andrew P.
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Re: AMD Sempron CPUTYPE & Co.

[Josh Paetzel]

On Tuesday 20 September 2005 15:21, Andrew P. wrote:
> Hello!
>
> So I have a Sempron 2500+ CPU, one that supports
> SSE3. What should I place in my /etc/make.conf? I use
> ssh with X11Forward very often, so OpenSSL should
> be compiled to be as fast as it can be on this CPU.
> Here's a part of dmesg:
>
> CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+
> (1407.05-MHz 686-class CPU)
> Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x20fc2  Stepping = 2
>
>   Features=0x78bfbff PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
> PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
>   Features2=0x1
>   AMD Features=0xe2500800 ,LM,3DNow+,3DNow>
>
> I want to use SSE3, but I don't want to set CPUTYPE
> to nocona, cause that way compilers won't ever use
> AMD features. Is there a way to tell compilers to use
> every feature I've got?
>
>
> Thanks very much,
> Andrew P.

I don't know what options to put in /etc/make.conf, but I see that you 
are running your FSB @ 133mhz when it should be @ 166mhz.  A Sempron 
2500+ runs at 1.75ghz

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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Vulpes Velox]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:43:18 -0800
Derrick Ryalls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:19:25 -0600 (CST), draconius
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > what are your temperatures inside the case? what kind of cooling
> > > / airflow do you have in the case? I have had heat problems
> > > before due to bad airflow in the case where all the hot air
> > > concentraded around the processor(s)
> > >
> > > -drac
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > > I tested with FreeBSD 4.10 and 5.3. The same problem ocurs,
> > > > when the the machine not reboot, varios coredumps in as/gcc
> > > > hapens during make buildworld.
> > > >
> > > > Hardware:
> > > >
> > > > Asus A7V600-X
> > > > AMD Sempron 2400+
> > > > 512MB DDR 400
> > > >
> > > > any ideas ??
> > > >
> 
> I think I am running AV7600 (no X), and when I was thinking about
> upgrading the ram, I saw a note saying to check Asus' website to
> make sure they have tested the ram first.  With lower speed ram, you
> can probably run anything, but for the highest speed stuff, you
> should check to make sure they work well with it.

This is only true if is a ram problem or the like, if it is a mother
board problem this does not make much of a difference from my
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Alexandre Biancalana]

Hi !

The case is opened I'm using the same cooling used in another
machine that is working great (Asus A7N8X-X/Sempron 2400+/DDR400).


On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:19:25 -0600 (CST), draconius
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what are your temperatures inside the case? what kind of cooling / airflow
> do you have in the case? I have had heat problems before due to bad
> airflow in the case where all the hot air concentraded around the
> processor(s)
> 
> -drac
> 
> 
> > I tested with FreeBSD 4.10 and 5.3. The same problem ocurs, when the
> > the machine not reboot, varios coredumps in as/gcc hapens during make
> > buildworld.
> >
> > Hardware:
> >
> > Asus A7V600-X
> > AMD Sempron 2400+
> > 512MB DDR 400
> >
> > any ideas ??
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:28:17 -0600, Vulpes Velox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:36:34 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >>
> >> Minnesota Slinky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello list.
> >> >
> >> > I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
> >> > home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
> >> > motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
> >> > installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
> >> > got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
> >> > problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
> >> > through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
> >> > do with heat, but I'm not sure.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
> >> > BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
> >> > that's working.
> >>
> >> For checking temp just ssh in and use mbmon while it is going...
> >>
> >> I would suspect ram problems. Heat problems from my experience
> >> generally cause some errors before failing and freezing. Never seen a
> >> heat problem result in a reboot yet.
> >>
> >> The way to check for this is to swap the ram out, after checking heat
> >> using ssh, mbmon, and a `cd /usr/src/& make buildworld/& cd
> >> /usr/ports/math/atlas& make&`. This command series you will also use
> >> each time as it provides a very good method for taking a system down
> >> since I've seen problems where just one of those would not take it
> >> down before.
> >>
> >> If you still get it, continue swap out the power supply next.
> >> Possiblility of not liking extra stress from active hard drive. Had
> >> this a bit on one old P2 gateway at one time.
> >>
> >> If it is still there do the same with proc. By now we should be able
> >> to safely rule out heat, provided that the sensor is functioning
> >> properly.
> >>
> >> If it still goes down, it is the mother board getting flaky under
> >> heavy load. This can happen. I had a Abit NF7-S2 that happened with
> >> lately. Swapped it out and it went away.
> >>
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Vulpes Velox]

Hmm... dude, you need to do the testing on your own...

read through my last email and you will find the path that will most
likely find the problem


On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:14:58 -0200
Alexandre Biancalana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tested with FreeBSD 4.10 and 5.3. The same problem ocurs, when the
> the machine not reboot, varios coredumps in as/gcc hapens during
> make buildworld.
> 
> Hardware:
> 
> Asus A7V600-X
> AMD Sempron 2400+
> 512MB DDR 400
> 
> any ideas ??
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:28:17 -0600, Vulpes Velox
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:36:34 -0800 (PST)
> > 
> > 
> > Minnesota Slinky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello list.
> > >
> > > I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
> > > home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
> > > motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
> > > installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
> > > got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
> > > problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
> > > through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
> > > do with heat, but I'm not sure.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
> > > BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
> > > that's working.
> > 
> > For checking temp just ssh in and use mbmon while it is going...
> > 
> > I would suspect ram problems. Heat problems from my experience
> > generally cause some errors before failing and freezing. Never
> > seen a heat problem result in a reboot yet.
> > 
> > The way to check for this is to swap the ram out, after checking
> > heat using ssh, mbmon, and a `cd /usr/src/& make buildworld/& cd
> > /usr/ports/math/atlas& make&`. This command series you will also
> > use each time as it provides a very good method for taking a
> > system down since I've seen problems where just one of those would
> > not take it down before.
> > 
> > If you still get it, continue swap out the power supply next.
> > Possiblility of not liking extra stress from active hard drive.
> > Had this a bit on one old P2 gateway at one time.
> > 
> > If it is still there do the same with proc. By now we should be
> > able to safely rule out heat, provided that the sensor is
> > functioning properly.
> > 
> > If it still goes down, it is the mother board getting flaky under
> > heavy load. This can happen. I had a Abit NF7-S2 that happened
> > with lately. Swapped it out and it went away.
> > 
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Derrick Ryalls]

> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:19:25 -0600 (CST), draconius
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > what are your temperatures inside the case? what kind of cooling / airflow
> > do you have in the case? I have had heat problems before due to bad
> > airflow in the case where all the hot air concentraded around the
> > processor(s)
> >
> > -drac
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > > I tested with FreeBSD 4.10 and 5.3. The same problem ocurs, when the
> > > the machine not reboot, varios coredumps in as/gcc hapens during make
> > > buildworld.
> > >
> > > Hardware:
> > >
> > > Asus A7V600-X
> > > AMD Sempron 2400+
> > > 512MB DDR 400
> > >
> > > any ideas ??
> > >

I think I am running AV7600 (no X), and when I was thinking about
upgrading the ram, I saw a note saying to check Asus' website to make
sure they have tested the ram first.  With lower speed ram, you can
probably run anything, but for the highest speed stuff, you should
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Alexandre Biancalana]

I tested with FreeBSD 4.10 and 5.3. The same problem ocurs, when the
the machine not reboot, varios coredumps in as/gcc hapens during make
buildworld.

Hardware:

Asus A7V600-X
AMD Sempron 2400+
512MB DDR 400

any ideas ??



On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:28:17 -0600, Vulpes Velox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:36:34 -0800 (PST)
> 
> 
> Minnesota Slinky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello list.
> >
> > I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
> > home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
> > motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
> > installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
> > got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
> > problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
> > through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
> > do with heat, but I'm not sure.
> >
> > Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
> > BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
> > that's working.
> 
> For checking temp just ssh in and use mbmon while it is going...
> 
> I would suspect ram problems. Heat problems from my experience
> generally cause some errors before failing and freezing. Never seen a
> heat problem result in a reboot yet.
> 
> The way to check for this is to swap the ram out, after checking heat
> using ssh, mbmon, and a `cd /usr/src/& make buildworld/& cd
> /usr/ports/math/atlas& make&`. This command series you will also use
> each time as it provides a very good method for taking a system down
> since I've seen problems where just one of those would not take it
> down before.
> 
> If you still get it, continue swap out the power supply next.
> Possiblility of not liking extra stress from active hard drive. Had
> this a bit on one old P2 gateway at one time.
> 
> If it is still there do the same with proc. By now we should be able
> to safely rule out heat, provided that the sensor is functioning
> properly.
> 
> If it still goes down, it is the mother board getting flaky under
> heavy load. This can happen. I had a Abit NF7-S2 that happened with
> lately. Swapped it out and it went away.
> 
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Vulpes Velox]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:36:34 -0800 (PST)
Minnesota Slinky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello list.
> 
> I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
> home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
> motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
> installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
> got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
> problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
> through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
> do with heat, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
> BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
> that's working.

For checking temp just ssh in and use mbmon while it is going...

I would suspect ram problems. Heat problems from my experience
generally cause some errors before failing and freezing. Never seen a
heat problem result in a reboot yet.


The way to check for this is to swap the ram out, after checking heat
using ssh, mbmon, and a `cd /usr/src/& make buildworld/& cd
/usr/ports/math/atlas& make&`. This command series you will also use
each time as it provides a very good method for taking a system down
since I've seen problems where just one of those would not take it
down before.

If you still get it, continue swap out the power supply next.
Possiblility of not liking extra stress from active hard drive. Had
this a bit on one old P2 gateway at one time.

If it is still there do the same with proc. By now we should be able
to safely rule out heat, provided that the sensor is functioning
properly.

If it still goes down, it is the mother board getting flaky under
heavy load. This can happen. I had a Abit NF7-S2 that happened with
lately. Swapped it out and it went away.
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Alexandre Biancalana]

I'm having the same problem with Sempron 2400+.

When I do make buildworld or the machine reboot or assembler errors ocurs...



On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:59:36 +, Peter Risdon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Minnesota Slinky wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hello list.
> >
> > I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
> > home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
> > motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
> > installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
> > got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
> > problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
> > through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
> > do with heat, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Do you have any reason to suspect heat?
> 
> If you're trying to install 5.3, check /var/log/messages for lines about
> DMA errors. If there are any, you might have hit this DMA bug that
> affects some users (often with Maxtor hard drives).
> 
> Peter.
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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Peter Risdon]

Minnesota Slinky wrote:
Hello list.
I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
do with heat, but I'm not sure.
Do you have any reason to suspect heat?
If you're trying to install 5.3, check /var/log/messages for lines about 
DMA errors. If there are any, you might have hit this DMA bug that 
affects some users (often with Maxtor hard drives).

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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[Minnesota Slinky]

On Dec 10, 2004, at 10:34 PM, jason wrote:

Minnesota Slinky wrote:

Hello list.

I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
do with heat, but I'm not sure.

Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
that's working.

Thanks for the input!


Tell the bios to set off an alarm at a high temp, and
use sysctl -a | grep thermal to get your temps.  What
kind of power supply do you have?  Have you changed or
checked other bios settings?

I don't see any settings in BIOS regarding alarms and
such.  All I can do in BIOS is monitor the temp and
fan speeds.  I tried changing some settings, but when
I do, the mobo decides I must have a different
processor.

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Re: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ and reboots under load...

[jason]

Minnesota Slinky wrote:
Hello list.
I am in the process of doing a major upgrade to my
home server.  I purchased an Asus A7V600-X
motherboard, an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor, and
installed 1GB of DDR 400 memory.  If it matters, I've
got two 120 GB Maxtor HDDs in a RAID 1 array.  The
problem I'm having is that the system reboots half-way
through a make buildworld.  I'm guessing this has to
do with heat, but I'm not sure.
Does anyone have any insight?  I've tried telling the
BIOS to ignore the proc/mobo temp.  Not sure yet if
that's working.
Thanks for the input!
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Tell the bios to set off an alarm at a high temp, and use sysctl -a | 
grep thermal to get your temps.  What kind of power supply do you have?  
Have you changed or checked other bios settings?
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Re: AMD- XP

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j p wrote:
i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.
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Re: AMD- XP

[Erik Trulsson]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:52:59AM -0800, Michael wrote:
> Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:25:23 -0800 (PST), j p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.
> >
> >
> >You want the i386 distribution.  The Athlon XP is still only a 32-bit
> >processor, so the amd64 is unusable.
> >
> I'm thinking about installing 5.3 on box with an AMD Sempron 2800.  I 
> think (?) that the Sempron is based on a 64-bit core.

I am fairly certain that the Sempron (which is AMD's name for their low-end
series of CPUs) does not support 64-bit programs or OS.
It might be based upon the same core as the Athlon64 CPUs, but that
does not mean it is a 64-bit CPU.  (The extra stuff needed to support
64-bit instructions is after all a fairly small part of the core.)


> 
> So would I use the amd64 version?

No. You should use the i386 version.

The AMD CPUs that implement the AMD64 architecture are the Opteron and
Athlon 64 (incl. Athlon 64FX ) series.
The Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon MP, Duron, and Sempron do not, but are
just normal 32-bit CPUs.


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Re: AMD- XP

[Jeremy Faulkner]

Michael wrote:
Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:25:23 -0800 (PST), j p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.

You want the i386 distribution.  The Athlon XP is still only a 32-bit
processor, so the amd64 is unusable.
I'm thinking about installing 5.3 on box with an AMD Sempron 2800.  I 
think (?) that the Sempron is based on a 64-bit core.

So would I use the amd64 version?
Mike
The i386 release will work and will run fast, but if you want to use 
64-bit enhancements you'll need the amd64 port.

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Re: AMD- XP

[Michael]

Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:25:23 -0800 (PST), j p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.

You want the i386 distribution.  The Athlon XP is still only a 32-bit
processor, so the amd64 is unusable.
I'm thinking about installing 5.3 on box with an AMD Sempron 2800.  I 
think (?) that the Sempron is based on a 64-bit core.

So would I use the amd64 version?
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Re: AMD- XP

[Toni Schmidbauer]

On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:25:23PM -0800, j p wrote:
> i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.

ftp:///pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.3/

the athlon xp is i386 compatible.

of course you can enable gcc optimization in /etc/make.conf after
installation with "CPUTYPE=athlon-xp"

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Re: AMD- XP

[Conrad J. Sabatier]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:25:23 -0800 (PST), j p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> i have a AMD XP 2200 chip. what version of freebsd i need to download.

You want the i386 distribution.  The Athlon XP is still only a 32-bit
processor, so the amd64 is unusable.

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Re: AMD 64 and 4.10. will they work?

[Henrik W Lund]

Ara Avvali wrote:
I have checked on site and what I can see that 5 is the one which actually
supports athlon 64 processors. But what I am wondering if there is anyway to
run it under 4.10 since we are looking for stable series. I mean is it
possible to run 4.10 under AMD64 and if it is, do I get benefit from speed
improvements over 32 bit processors or the only way to get a true 64bit is 5
series
Thank you for help
Greetings!
FreeBSD 4.10 will install fine on an AMD64, but the processor will be 
running in 32-bit mode. Still, the AMD64 is the fastest 32-bit processor 
out there. ;-)

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Re: AMD 64 and 4.10. will they work?

[David Syphers]

On Monday 06 September 2004 08:27 pm, Ara Avvali wrote:
> I have checked on site and what I can see that 5 is the one which actually
> supports athlon 64 processors. But what I am wondering if there is anyway
> to run it under 4.10 since we are looking for stable series.

5 is almost -STABLE (it is no longer the development branch, as of a couple 
weeks ago). The 5.3 release, which will be the first 5 on the -STABLE branch, 
is due out at the beginning of October. If you want to play around with 
something before that, they're currently releasing betas of 5 and you can use 
one of those. I've been using the 5 branch for quite some time, and have 
found it quite stable (if not yet officially -STABLE). I did have a problem 
with 5.3-BETA3, but that will be fixed in BETA4.

I don't believe 4.x supports AMD64.

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Re: AMD vs Intel

[MIchael Alexander]

Hey Marc:
Five of the six computers in my home office / conservatory are AMD's.
They do run a little hotter than Intel, but they are cheaper to buy, and
I'm a certified cheap-skate. Now the question "Why do I have sooo many
computers"? I just do.


On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 18:51, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> I'm looking at picking up the following:
> 
> Intel Technology Server
> Chassis Intel SC1300 1U Rack
> MainBoard: Intel SE7501WV2SCSI
> Ram memory: 4 x 1 GB
> Processor: 2  x  Xeon 3.06 Ghz
> Discos Duros: 3x Seagate ST336607KLC
> Intel: SRCZR
> CD-ROM: 52x
> Floppy: 3.5"
> Monitor, Mouse & Keyboard: Not Included
> 
> 
> Now, I've been hearing alot of how AMD tends to perform better, but I have
> zero experience with AMD ... I'm curious as to what those with experience
> with AMD would be considered:
> 
>   1. equivalent in power to the Xeon 3.06Ghz
>   2. a rackmount/motherboard they would recommend for a server
> 
> Thanks ...
> 
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Re: AMD vs Intel

[Harald Schmalzbauer]

Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 03:51 schrieb Marc G. Fournier:
> I'm looking at picking up the following:
>
> Intel Technology Server
> Chassis Intel SC1300 1U Rack
> MainBoard: Intel SE7501WV2SCSI
> Ram memory: 4 x 1 GB
> Processor: 2  x  Xeon 3.06 Ghz
> Discos Duros: 3x Seagate ST336607KLC
> Intel: SRCZR
> CD-ROM: 52x
> Floppy: 3.5"
> Monitor, Mouse & Keyboard: Not Included
>
>
> Now, I've been hearing alot of how AMD tends to perform better, but I have
> zero experience with AMD ... I'm curious as to what those with experience
> with AMD would be considered:
>
>   1. equivalent in power to the Xeon 3.06Ghz
>   2. a rackmount/motherboard they would recommend for a server

I just can tell you that AMD has proofen their reliability in a lot of server 
environments of my friends and since everything after 
coppermine/tualatin/M/dothan... INTELs do consume at least the same power and 
with the northwood core much more power than performance equivalent AMDs.
So in my opinion these are all ineligible for servers but that's another 
story.
I'd take the AMD and reinvest the saved money in very good coolers
And of corse there is the bright new 64-bit world..
No long-term behaviour nor productive environment experiences but I only hear 
positive stories...

-Harry

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> Thanks ...
> 
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:
> >
> > > Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
> > > having a VM in it someday. :-)
> >
> > actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)
>
>
> Something I have always wondered.. When you move to a machine or install a
> new VM do you keep the /etc/newsyslog.conf file?
> I have added some lines there. Should I back it up?

Any config files that you happen to modify in the VM itself is backed
up/moved to the new server ... simple rsync of your root directory down


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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Francisco Reyes]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:
>
> > Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
> > having a VM in it someday. :-)
>
> actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)


Something I have always wondered.. When you move to a machine or install a
new VM do you keep the /etc/newsyslog.conf file?
I have added some lines there. Should I back it up?
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:

> Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
> having a VM in it someday. :-)

actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)


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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Francisco]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all our
> current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are so
> much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
> offer as comparable ...
>
> Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)

Marc,

Although nothing I have ever worked with comes even remotely close to what
you are going to torture this new machine with I wanted to throw in my
$0.02.. and mostly subjective testing at that

I had been using nothing but AMD for a few years. Recently I bought a few
machines from a local vendor and they are an Intel shop. These machines
have faster CPUs that most of my other AMD machines yet felt less
responsive with FreeBSD.

I think that the entire subsystem should be taken into consideration:
chipset, ECC memory, memory speed, disk subsystem, etc..

Just so you get a feeling for what I am talking about... Most of my AMD
machines FreeBSD/Windows were 500Mhz to 1Ghz. The two Intel I bought for 2
clients were 2+Ghz Intel Pentium 4. Although I have not done custom
kernels for those machines I find it interesting that they would "Feel"
slower than machines that are half as fast. I can only guess that
something in the subsystems of these new machines is slower than
in the AMD machines.

Given your environment I think 2+ CPUs with ECC and a good disk subsystem
would be good. Raid 1+0 makes a huge difference in performance (at least
in my testing). Perhaps you could do your DB 1+0 and everything else Raid
5 (which is what I think you have).

Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up having
a VM in it someday. :-)
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Re: AMD XP 2000

[Kenneth Culver]

Quoting Spades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi,

I have a AMD XP 2000 system, can i install FreeBSD 4.7-REL?

Of course, you can install any pc operating system on this machine. although 4.7
is old and I'd reccommend 4.9 since it's the latest 4.x
Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Charles Swiger wrote:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you 
need to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who 
makes a board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Hi, Chad--

I've got a Shuttle AK31v3 motherboard which does registered+ECC 
memory, which is a single-proc motherboard:

System Mainboard
Manufacturer : HOLCO (Shuttle)
MP Support : No
Model : VT8366-8233
BIOS ID : 04/17/2002-VT8366-8233-6A6LVH2CC-00
Chipset : VIA KT266/A Chipset
Hmm, that must have been a KT266A (versus KT266) feature.

Anyone know of any current AMD Athlon motherboards with chipsets that 
support ECC that are not dual MB?  The KT266A is an older chipset.

The AMD 760 series of chipsets support ECC but you only find these in 
dual motherboards usually.  I have the Gigabyte dual and it seems to 
work great with the Gentoo Linux installed on it (needed it for some 
specialized Java stuff) and I also have some Tyan Tiger MP (not MPX) 
and they run great with FreeBSD.

Thanks
Chad
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Kenneth Culver]

Quoting "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Kenneth Culver wrote:

Quoting "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty 
significant, but be aware that you'll also pay a significant 
premium for dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: 
compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz 
Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional 
costs for a MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), 
which is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although 
obviously one can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards 
and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.

Which is why I said "(not AMD64)"
yeah, I saw that right after I responded :-P

Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Kenneth Culver wrote:

Quoting "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which 
is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one 
can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards 
and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.

Which is why I said "(not AMD64)"

Chad

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Kenneth Culver]

Quoting "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which 
is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one 
can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.
Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Marc Wiz]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:58:34AM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> 
> On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> 
> >Marc Wiz wrote:
> >>On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
> >>>OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
> >>>but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
> >>>dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
> >>>2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
> >>>Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
> >>>MP-capable motherboard.
> >>Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
> >>I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
> >
> >You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
> >(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which is 
> >one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one can 
> >spend more on either type.
> >
> 
> Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need 
> to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a 
> board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.

That's exactly why I bought that board.  I already had ECC memory.

Marc
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Charles Swiger]

On Feb 10, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need 
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a 
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Hi, Chad--

I've got a Shuttle AK31v3 motherboard which does registered+ECC memory, 
which is a single-proc motherboard:

System Mainboard
Manufacturer : HOLCO (Shuttle)
MP Support : No
Model : VT8366-8233
BIOS ID : 04/17/2002-VT8366-8233-6A6LVH2CC-00
Chipset : VIA KT266/A Chipset
[ ... ]
Logical/Chipset Memory Banks
Bank 0 Setting : 128MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Bank 1 Setting : 128MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Bank 2 Setting : 256MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/1x

Memory Modules
Memory Module 1 : Micron 18VDDT3272DG-265Z1 080EBD07 256MB 18x(16Mx8) 
ECC
DDR-SDRAM PC2100R-2533-750 (CL2.5 upto 133MHz) (CL2 upto 100MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Micron 9VDDT3272G-265B2 1B1B108E 256MB 9x(32Mx8) ECC
DDR-SDRAM PC2100R-2533-750 (CL2.5 upto 133MHz) (CL2 upto 100MHz)

...but you are right that ECC support is quite uncommon for AMD 
motherboards.

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which is 
one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one can 
spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need 
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a 
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.

Chad

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Chuck Swiger]

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: 
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.

I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 (Shuttle AK39N 
w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which is one third the cost of 
your dual-proc MB, although obviously one can spend more on either type.

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Marc Wiz]

On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
> 
> OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
> be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
> hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
> 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
> in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.

Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.

I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.

Marc

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Charles Swiger]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Charles Swiger wrote:
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)
Actually, I wasn't asking which one was better though :)  I'm only 
curious
as to how I can compare the two ... its kinda like Sun vs Intel ... I 
know
that the Sun should usually outperform Intel on fp, but Intel tends to 
do
a pretty good job against Sun on int operations ...
I'd tend to agree, and Kenneth also, it seems-- the raw FP performance 
of the P4s is kinda pokey compared to their int performance.  But 
whether that matters depends on what tasks you're doing.

...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this 
machine?
Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all 
our
current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are 
so
much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
offer as comparable ...

Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.

Are your machines especially busy, ie CPU-bound?  Two 2.4GHz processors 
is a lot of computing horsepower, although dynamic web content 
generation or virus scanning can be resource intensive if there's 
enough traffic...

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Charles Swiger wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > G'day all ...
> >
> >   Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server,
> > and
> > want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
> > approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
> > equivalent to an AMD ... ??
>
> I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
> whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)

Actually, I wasn't asking which one was better though :)  I'm only curious
as to how I can compare the two ... its kinda like Sun vs Intel ... I know
that the Sun should usually outperform Intel on fp, but Intel tends to do
a pretty good job against Sun on int operations ...

> An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz
> CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities
> and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from
> www.spec.org's spec2000int:
>
> Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
> Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792
>
> ...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
> better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
> require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?

Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all our
current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are so
much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
offer as comparable ...

Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)



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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Kenneth Culver]

Quoting Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
G'day all ...

  Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server, and
want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
equivalent to an AMD ... ??
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)  An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz
CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities
and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from
www.spec.org's spec2000int:
Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792
...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?
If I remember correctly though, the fp numbers are for SSE on the Xeon, and not
the regular old FPU, p4 based machines are horrible when it comes to
non-SSE/SSE2 type stuff.
Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

[Charles Swiger]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
G'day all ...

  Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server, 
and
want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
equivalent to an AMD ... ??
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking 
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)  An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz 
CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities 
and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from 
www.spec.org's spec2000int:

Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792
...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does 
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you 
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?

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Re: AMD Processors

[Dany]

/sys/i386/conf/NOTESon 5.x

Mike Maltese wrote:

options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK
options CPU_ENABLE_SSE
   

These are also valid kernel options for 4.x.
 

Where are these documented?
   

/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT
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Re: AMD Processors

[Mike Maltese]

> > > options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK
> > > options CPU_ENABLE_SSE
> > 
> > These are also valid kernel options for 4.x.
> 
> Where are these documented?

/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT
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Re: AMD Processors

[stan]

On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 07:03:58PM -0800, Mike Maltese wrote:
> > For the kernel configuration you can even optimize the compilation for 
> > such processors (5.x only) :
> > 
> > options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK
> > options CPU_ENABLE_SSE
> 
> These are also valid kernel options for 4.x.

Where are these documented?
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Re: AMD Processors

[Josh Paetzel]

On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 03:53:30PM -0800, Sal Aldana wrote:
> I was wondering which AMD Processors are compatible with FreeBSD. I have a 
> Athlon XP 2700 and wanted to know if it would work. I was also going to 
> build a Dual Processor machine using Athlon MP Processors. If any of these 
> work could you let me know before I decide to use FreeBSD. Thank you for 
> your time.
> 

Both of those CPUs work fine in FreeBSD.

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Re: AMD Processors

[Mike Maltese]

> For the kernel configuration you can even optimize the compilation for 
> such processors (5.x only) :
> 
> options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK
> options CPU_ENABLE_SSE

These are also valid kernel options for 4.x.
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Re: AMD Processors

[Dany]

My 2600+ overclocked doesn't complain on the 5.2 (worked also with 
4.9) Don't worry I don't use it a production server ;)

For the kernel configuration you can even optimize the compilation for 
such processors (5.x only) :

options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK
options CPU_ENABLE_SSE
and also a special cpu type in the make.conf

/CPUTYPE?=athlon-xp/

I would think that the second one (CPUTYPE) is more critical than the 
first set of options (more multimedia oriented).

Dany



peter lageotakes wrote:

Here are the 4.9 hardware specs:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html
Here are the 5.1 specs: 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/hardware-i386.html

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I was wondering which AMD Processors are compatible
with FreeBSD. I have a 
Athlon XP 2700 and wanted to know if it would work.
I was also going to 
build a Dual Processor machine using Athlon MP
Processors. If any of these 
work could you let me know before I decide to use
FreeBSD. Thank you for 
your time.

   

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Re: AMD Processors

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Here are the 4.9 hardware specs:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html

Here are the 5.1 specs: 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/hardware-i386.html


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> I was wondering which AMD Processors are compatible
> with FreeBSD. I have a 
> Athlon XP 2700 and wanted to know if it would work.
> I was also going to 
> build a Dual Processor machine using Athlon MP
> Processors. If any of these 
> work could you let me know before I decide to use
> FreeBSD. Thank you for 
> your time.
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Re: AMD Processors

[Kent Stewart]

On Friday 02 January 2004 03:53 pm, Sal Aldana wrote:
> I was wondering which AMD Processors are compatible with FreeBSD. I
> have a Athlon XP 2700 and wanted to know if it would work. I was
> also going to build a Dual Processor machine using Athlon MP
> Processors. If any of these work could you let me know before I
> decide to use FreeBSD. Thank you for your time.
>


Since they really think they are improved 686's, why wouldn't you 
expect them to work :). FWIW, I have 4 XP's running 4-stable and 
5-current but no MP modles.

Kkent

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Re: amd documentation: why is it so confusing?

[David Fleck]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Rob wrote:
> However, I am getting totally stuck in the amd manuals. Are the amd manuals
> really that bad, or is it me?
>
> For example:
> The FreeBSD handbook mentions amd in one sentence, by referring to the
> manual pages of amd and amd.conf. So all I have are the manual pages
> on the amd commands and files. The amd manual talks about a map file,
> but there's nowhere information to be found on what the structure of
> such a map file is.
>
> Is the creation of the amd-map file too trivial, or so complicated that
> nobody dares explaining it?
>
> Anyone who can point me to better help on this?

While FreeBSD's man pages are usually extremely detailed, I have found
that there is a layer of documentation - more complex and detailed than
the Handbook, but more generalized and less in-depth than the man pages -
that is simply missing in the FreeBSD world.  The layer that would be
occupied in Linux-land by the HOWTOs is made up of scattered web pages,
mailing lists like this one, and newsgroups.

Anyway, I found this very helpful for automounting:

http://www.daemonnews.org/200202/automounting.html

below is my /etc/amd.map file, which mounts 2 CD-ROM drives, a floppy, and
a Zip drive.  (Pretty much just like the article above.)

# $FreeBSD: src/etc/amd.map,v 1.8 1999/09/13 17:09:07 peter Exp $
#
/defaults   type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost}/host;rhost:=${key}
*   opts:=rw,grpid,resvport,vers=2,proto=udp,nosuid,nodev

localhost   type:=auto;fs:=${map};pref:=${key}/

localhost/cdrom type:=program;fs:=/mnt/cdrom;\
mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/cdrom";\
unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/cdrom"

localhost/cdrom2type:=program;fs:=/mnt/cdrom2;\
mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/cdrom2";\
unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/cdrom2"

localhost/zip   type:=program;fs:=/mnt/zip;\
mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/zip";\
unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/zip"

localhost/floppytype:=program;fs:=/mnt/floppy;\
mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/floppy";\
unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/floppy"




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Re: amd documentation: why is it so confusing?

[horio shoichi]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:54:12 +0900
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have exported directories successfully. Thus I moved on to use amd for
> having the system mount this as it is needed.
> 
> However, I am getting totally stuck in the amd manuals. Are the amd manuals
> really that bad, or is it me?
> 
> For example:
> The FreeBSD handbook mentions amd in one sentence, by referring to the
> manual pages of amd and amd.conf. So all I have are the manual pages
> on the amd commands and files. The amd manual talks about a map file,
> but there's nowhere information to be found on what the structure of
> such a map file is.
> 
> Is the creation of the amd-map file too trivial, or so complicated that
> nobody dares explaining it?
> 
> Anyone who can point me to better help on this?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Rob.
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Two places:

/usr/src/contrib/amd/doc has texi sources.

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~ezk/am-utils/ is the current maintainer's page.
See "Documentation and Information" there.

horio shoichi

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Re: amd always nfs mounts as tcp?

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Jun 05), Tom Limoncelli said:
> amd on my NFS clients always mounts using TCP.  I need to use UDP
> (long story).  I've tried many different options and I can't get it
> to use UDP.
> 
> If I mount it "manually" (i.e. without amd) it works fine:
>   mount_nfs -3 -U server1:/u1/foo /mnt
> I can verify that it is using tcpdump.
> 
> The amd map lists:
> /defaults   
> type:=nfsl;rhost:=server1;opts:=rw:nfs_proto=udp;rfs:=${fs}
> foo fs:=/u1/${key}
> bar fs:=/u2/${key}
> baz fs:=/u2/${key}

Plain "proto=udp" works for me.  Here's my mapfile:

*   host==${key};type:=link;fs:=/ \
hostd==${key};type:=link;fs:=/ \

type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost};rhost:=${key};opts:=rw,intr,soft,proto=udp,grpid

localhost   type:=link;fs:=/

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Re: AMD Duron/ Socket A - FreeBSD 4.7

[Laszlo Vagner]

I would say that power supply is a little weak at 200W especially for a 
server. I built a nice system recently which cost about 500 bucks.
Asus A7 8X Athlon 2gig, 512 meg ddr400, onboard sound, unsupported
nic (gigabit is supported), firewire, smart card reader, Seagate 120gb
HDD, Nvidia GF4 TI4200, Kingston NIC, Liteon 48X cd-rw and full server
tower case.

the price difference between duron and full athlon dont warrant getting
a duron, to save even more you could find a motherboard with 
onboard video and NIC and slower memory like ddr333 or even 266.




On Monday 17 February 2003 09:36 am, Andreas Widerøe Andersen wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to purchase a CHEAP server for a client and I was thinking about
> building him one using an AMD processor and a Socket A mainboard with most
> stuff onboard. Normally I'm rather reluctant to use new hardware for
> FreeBSD installations therefore I'm hoping someone could comment on the
> following spec:
>
> 2x WD Harddisk 20.0GB IDE 7200RPM UDMA-100 3.5" , WD200BB
> APACER Memory 512MB SDRAM PC-133 Original 168Pin CL2, 512MB PC-133
> MICROSTAR Mainboard Socket-A VIA KLE133 MicroATX Audio VGA LAN UDMA100,
> MS6378XL
> AMD CPU Duron 1.2GHz Socket A 200FSB Tray , AMD DURON 1.2
> Chieftec Case 19" 1U 200W ATX 1xPCI Riser Card Black, UNC-110S-B 1
>
> Thanks!
> Andreas
>
>
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Re: AMD 64bit support

[Toni Schmidbauer]

On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 07:32:40PM -, abdul hakeem wrote:
> I would like to know if the upcoming AMD Opteron 64bit CPU is supported
> on FreeBSD ?

running freebsd shoud be no problem because opteron (AFAIK) is backwards 
compatible with ia32. 

look at http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/x86-64.html
seems there will be native support for x86-64.

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