Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 06:12:40AM -0500, Gerard wrote:
On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote:
[ snip ]
sensorship starts in the mind of the people.
^
"censorship "
Well, maybe not if you are referring to the aesthetic
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 06:12:40AM -0500, Gerard wrote:
> > On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> > sensorship starts in the mind of the people.
>^
> "censorship "
Well, maybe not if you are referring to the aesthetic appreciation
of the item in question...
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:05:45AM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote:
>
> > the hitler example remain with it because it establishes
> > a very strong case-in-point example.
>
> Yep, shoot someone and then say -- hey, that's the best examp
Boris Samorodov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD
>> is first and formost, for the educated computer user.
>
> Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly
> On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote:
[ snip ]
> sensorship starts in the mind of the people.
^
"censorship "
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Hi,
Gerard wrote:
On November 30, 2007 at 02:37AM Erich Dollansky wrote:
[ snip ]
sensorship starts in the mind of the people.
^
"censorship "
I have had a good laugh on this.
Let me tell you, why it was so.
I have had to write two documents over the last month with the word
sensor
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:24 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote:
> sensorship starts in the mind of the people.
True. That's why:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/118284
WBR
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Hi,
Boris Samorodov wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD
is first and formost, for the educated computer user.
Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated
friends, laugh
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:30 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Fundamentally, you have to be educated to understand it. FreeBSD
> is first and formost, for the educated computer user.
Ted, you may exchange famous Hitler's quotes with your highly educated
friends, laugh at Hirosima's anecdotes with
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:26:11 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> the hitler example remain with it because it establishes
> a very strong case-in-point example.
Yep, shoot someone and then say -- hey, that's the best example of
what shouldn't be done!
WBR
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Randomly found this :
http://xkcd.com/261/
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:14:30PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> For example, a famous quote of Hitler's is:
>
> "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature."
That raises an interesting point:
There are quotes that, taken out of context, might be seen as
"offensive". In ma
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:26:47PM -0600, icantthinkofone wrote:
> Oh, who the heck cares. The guy is dead and he's not going to hurt you
> so get a life people. If you ban Hitler then ban Stalin and Mussolini
> and let's go back another thousand years and dig up those graves, too.
> Move on!
Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an
appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for
or against censorship or democra
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:26 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:
> >
> > > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.
> >
> > Let the name exist.
> > Else where but the official Free
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> On Mon,
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>
>
> --
> I've been asking Google for a Veter
Oh, who the heck cares. The guy is dead and he's not going to hurt you
so get a life people. If you ban Hitler then ban Stalin and Mussolini
and let's go back another thousand years and dig up those graves, too.
Move on!
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Hi,
eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an
appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or
against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:05:05AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an
> appropriate forum to express political views. so whether we are for or
> against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really does not
> mat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote:
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> > 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
> > to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
> > that's what the community thinks is appropriate. W
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:
>
> > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.
>
> Let the name exist.
> Else where but the official FreeBSD site.
> Let this OS be out of politics.
. . . by censoring the w
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:48:35PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> Erik,
>
> This is a very wise thing that you just said, and I agree with you almost
> completely. The difference is that your very own words are a brilliant way
> to say it, and would be wonderful to replace the "Hitler quotes
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 07:43:12PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> I'm not going to reply to your personal attack
The fact that you took anything Giorgios said as a "personal attack" may
provide a hint as to why you think the comment on the indicated page of
the freebsd.org site is offensive.
--On Monday, November 26, 2007 13:24:52 -0500 John J Fitzgerald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can people stop responding to this thread, especially the personal OT back
and forth exchanges? I'm on the freebsd-questions list and it's clogging
up my inbox and has nothing to do with the FreeBSD opera
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Subject: Re: who wrote this
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey
So, I haven't yet thought of a good, adequately lean, but clarifying
phrase,
though if one comes to me I will submit it, but a clarifying phrase could
well be included and the hitler example remain with it because it
establishes
a very strong case-in-point example.
How about something like th
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:
> You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.
Let the name exist.
Else where but the official FreeBSD site.
Let this OS be out of politics.
WBR
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On Monday 26 November 2007, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >Lets also remember that history is written by the
> > victors, which means they LIE!
> >neal.
>
> Wow neal, that's very nice of you.
What is? Surely this is not the first time you have heard
this said about history.
> are you saying that
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:13 +0100, Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
>> to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
>> that's what the community thinks is ap
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58:08AM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >
> >>All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> >>http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> >>==
> Examp
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:01:42PM +, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> >
> > >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
> > >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
> > >wrong mail
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
==
>>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
>>* Hitler quotes.
=
eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying
> to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if
> that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is
> that we remove his name from the website:
> (http
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:20:22PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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> > I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths,
> > Should we automatically disqualify them?
>
> Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we sh
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:23:56PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> ==
> >>Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> >>* Hitler quote
Hm, I'm astonished. I've never seen that page before...
English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
little) his quotes that should be treat
--On Monday, November 26, 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I read the page as instruction to be attentive to content *and* context.
The who matters little in comparison to the what. Fascinating to me that
things like the logo and that page can generate so much list mail.
That
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
>& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
>wrong mailing list.
My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:30:16 -0500 DAve wrote:
> Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > English is not my native language and I may not understand all nuances
> > though. Does that phrase mean "Hitler quotes are not usually be
> > declared 'offensive'"? For me that means that there some (and very
> > little)
Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
>> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
>> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
>> ==
Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offens
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:56 -0600 eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> ==
> >> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> >> * Hitler quotes.
>
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> >PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
> >& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
> >wrong mailing list.
>
> My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Lets also remember that history is written by the victors,
> >which means they LIE!
> >neal.
>
>
> Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't
> do any of these things? I'm no
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:03:30PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't do any
> of these things? I'm not even going to respond to you here, just going to
> re-post your words to show that there are still people like you out t
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:03:30 -0600
"eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> speakers. having hitlers name there does nothing positive for the
> project and polarizes the viewing audience because it offends the
> vast majority of people, 99% of whom are not going to spend an
> evening writ
>Lets also remember that history is written by the victors,
>which means they LIE!
>neal.
Wow neal, that's very nice of you. are you saying that hitler didn't do any of
these things? I'm not even going to respond to you here, just going to re-post
your words to show that there are still peo
On Monday 26 November 2007, Brett Davidson wrote:
> To give another reason against supression of quotes is
> that you tend to emulate the actions of the people's
> ideas that you wished suppressed. "The opinion of this
> person/group is not worthy of being spread" is but the
> thin edge of a fascis
PS. What should be abolished on the grounds of decency is top posting
& rehashing topics that have been gone on about ad nauseum, & on the
wrong mailing list.
My apologies for top posting, will never happen again. I've never posted to
a list before.
Learn to
moderate yourselves, this is wha
I'm not going to reply to your personal attack but will only say that you
are definitely much smarter, more web savy and better looking than me.
It's not an ``attack'', but merely a request to avoid what may be
considered as a ``fault'' of the FreeBSD Project.
As far as the rest of your comm
On 2007-11-25 19:43, "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you are not bothered by the fact that the fortune cookie database
>> contains Hitler quotes, but you merely want to ammend the text of the
>> web site, then you are more than welcome to post patches to the
>> freebsd-www list
Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
T,
I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most
evil person that our generation has ever witnessed. The things he did
this is why he has to be quoted so people see from where certain ideas
originate.
I live in
ge, we are virtually monopolizing the page to this topic.
Best Regards,
Artur
eBoundHost.com
http://www.eboundhost.com
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From: "Erik Osterholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, November 25
If you are not bothered by the fact that the fortune cookie database
contains Hitler quotes, but you merely want to ammend the text of the
web site, then you are more than welcome to post patches to the
freebsd-www list. That's where most of the work on the website is
discussed, and reviewed.
-
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>
> T,
>
> I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most evil
> person that our generation has ever witnessed.
He wasn't witnessed by our generation & IMHO Stalin was worse.
> The things he did and what
Hi,
eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
T,
I don't know any soft way to say this. The man, Hitler, was the most
evil person that our generation has ever witnessed. The things he did
this is why he has to be quoted so people see from where certain ideas
originate.
I live in a country where many th
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:53:54PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
> I would appreciate if someone would help me find the person who can
> help to
> modify the text on this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> I think it can be worded differently and get the point accross
> witho
I'll take up the challenge. Hitler was evil. Quoting Hitler is not.
> When we seek to suppress information, no matter how troubling, we obscure
> the very lessons of history we need most to learn. If, because Hitler was
> evil, we do not allow discussion of him, how will future generations lear
On 2007-11-25 17:59, "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yea that's a great answer. thanks for your insight. this is not some
> technical question that can be researched, this in fact tarnishes the
> image of the freebsd community, so it's not such an easy "go rtfm"
> type of deal.
--On November 25, 2007 5:59:53 PM -0600 "eBoundHost: Artur"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yea that's a great answer. thanks for your insight. this is not some
technical question that can be researched, this in fact tarnishes the
image of the freebsd community, so it's not such an easy "go rtfm"
quot;eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 2007-11-25 15:23, "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
http://www.freebsd.or
rds,
Artur
eBoundHost.com
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I see that as an example of something that might be offensive on the
surface but we might not want to outlaw just as a matter of course.
For in
On 2007-11-25 15:23, "eBoundHost: Artur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
> http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
> ==
>>> Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
>>> * Hitler quote
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> I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths,
> Should we automatically disqualify them?
Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we should follow him?
Let's see:
1 authbaun = 6 million jews
1 trip to the moon = 50
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All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
==
>> Examples of entrie
All I have to say is WTF is wrong with whomever wrote this page.
http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html
==
Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
* Hitler quotes.
==
Ok I understand that some moron wrote it, but why has
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