wireless, I don't even go there, it's an iwi that need proprietary Intel
firmware - no sale.
No, the machine is a geriatric Compaq Nx8220 and the NIC in question is a
Broadcom Ethernet card. BCM5751M.
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 00:09, Eric Auer wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> > laptop is 15 years old, and even
Tom,
Sorry, but I think you're too snippy here.
First of all, if the idea of an 80x25 single file editor frightens you,
you're either a wimp or too young to have done any programming when that
was the norm. May I introduce you to Turbo Pascal 3.0? 80x25 text is the
best there is.
As for not
Hi Eric,
Well, your argument is compelling, but I think it sort of misses the point.
FreeDOS is a system for legacy hardware - I mean - really legacy. My oldest
laptop is 15 years old, and even that has hardware that is 'too new' and
not supported by FreeDOS. I'm currently trying to nail a Packet
I agree Jim,
If you go for effective, then the standard FreeDOS window is certainly not
the ideal solution, and perhaps I should have made it clearer that my
remark to Tom wasn't meant overly seriously.
The nice thing about FreeDOS is that you have choice these days, unlike in
the days of yore,
Hi Tom,
Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, and maybe I'm just
weird. I'm the sort of guy that actually would look for spare parts on
horse back, because that's way more fun. Probably not for the horse though,
considering that, unlike 30 years ago, I weigh more than Belgium these
I would agree with Ralf on most points.
As for the 16 bit C-Compiler, I think Turbo-C fits that bill but acquiring
it legally requires a registration with embarcadero, so not exactly optimal
and not everyone is an old hack like me, who started coding in 1989 and
still legally owns nearly every
Ho,ho, everybody,
First of all, merry holidays to all and I hope you're all safe in
these difficult times.
As the new year looms, it's time to get them new years resolutions in.
I'm foregoing the usual stuff, like losing weight, because that won't
work, just like the other years. Instead,
Hi Eric,
The ReactOS/Wine combo was what got me thinking in the first place.
ReactOS was from the start meant to replicate WIndows NT though, which
isn't quite what I had in mind, as that isn't quite the 16 bit world
in which FreeDOS exists. Wine would be a starting point, as that
definitely has
BGI ran like a three-legged pregnant hippo in a mud pit, mainly
because it used the INT10h functions. Pretty much everyone I know, who
also started programming in the late 80s got their first taste of
inline assembler and hardware programming, when we realized that you
could speed up things by
It happens on both Virtualbox and my ancient Compaq NX-8220. And
indeed, as hinted by several folks, it seems to be connected to fdapm.
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 20:03, Robert Riebisch wrote:
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> Hi Danilo,
>
> > I still have legal copies of Turbo Pascal 3.0, 4.5, 6.0 and Borland
> > Pascal 7.0, so
I still have legal copies of Turbo Pascal 3.0, 4.5, 6.0 and Borland
Pascal 7.0, so if there's interest, I'd be willing to take a look at
them to see if there's any insects to weed out.
Speaking of which. I noticed that pretty much all Borland Test-mode
IDE's for Turbo-C, Turbo Pascal and
Hi
Ralf makes a very interesting and important point here, especially as it
reminds me of my idealistic and somewhat overconfident self from 1993. Like
many people back in the day I thought I was a l33t hax0r after three years
of dabbling with Turbo-Pascal, Turbo-C and even some assembler. So,
IIRC there was never something like a standard DLL concept, but we
used to use flat binaries for that concept. Back in 1994 or something,
a friend of mine and I wrote something akin to fractint and we defined
a 'fractal driver' for each type. What it basically boiled down to was
typedef'ing a
bit realm
> in the form of the Night Kernel. As part of that journey, we eventually want
> a compatibility layer to make running Windows 3.x executables possible.
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Well, one could also question the point of shared libraries in a
system that doesn't support multitasking.
Dynamic loading has a point in so far as to load binaries based on the
availability of hardware, as in the BGI drivers. Having the code to
support all gfx cards in the exe would be wasteful,
Since thengraphics cards of VMs are, as far as I'm aware generally
VESA compatible, unless you specifically decide not to use one in qemu
or bochs, you should have a relatively high hitrate by using the 4Fh
interrupt to query the VESA info. In the case of Virtualbox/VMWare,
you'll definitely find
Hi all,
I say the most important thing first - I'm not very keen on a Live
DVD. One of the things that severely goes on my man-mammaries is that
every Linux, BSD and whatnot nears the 1GB mark, when a basic system
install could easily fit in a 300MB image. I don't think we have too
many casual
Oh dear, if you really want an answer for that, you need to give more
infos, like which linker are you using, which memory model?
On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 at 20:45, Knedlik wrote:
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> Hello,
> I’m currently trying to make a function in a separate assembly file, but I’m
> having problems linking it
Accepting the danger of sounding somewhat arrogant, but you seem to
lack some basic knowledge of system programming. Are you sure you
need assembler programming in the first place? Everything you've set
out so far is perfectly doable in C.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 at 17:35, Knedlik wrote:
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> Okay,
If you are comfortable programming in Pascal, stay with it. In fact
Turbo-Pascal has pretty much the best integration of inline assembler
of all the languages I encountered in 30 years. And in general, just
don't follow tutorials blindly, collect your own experience. Maybe it
would help if you
Jim put it best, I think - remove the GUI's from the official media,
but leave them on ibiblio, which would be the FreeDOS equivalent of
the Hobbes archive for OS/2.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 at 23:53, Liam Proven wrote:
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> On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 at 17:52, Jim Hall wrote:
> >
> > It's been a few days
Quite frankly, I would throw them all on the scrap heap. As Jim said,
none of them has any number of apps worth noting and there is a reason
why no GUI other than Windows 3.11 ever took off under Dos. I know
that from painful experience of wasting two years on an attempt to
create one in the early
As far as I know, VESA graphics mode numbers are not standardized,
which is why the vesa info block of standard 1.2 and higher, returned
by INT 10h function AX=4F00h, contains a mode list, which you then
need to traverse using INT10h AX=4F01. So as a first step I'd check if
the watcom graphics
Sorry, Tom, but this reply is, to use a technical term, pretty shit.
We're talking about FreeDOS, a system that by design was created for
hardware that would lose to our phones these days. If you 'only want
to support 386+' then you can just as well install Dosbox. Either
FreeDOS has the ambition
I think the developer tools should go to the bonus CD. As was
mentioned, most FreeDOS users will probably use it to run legacy apps
and games. People who still have the knowledge to do some
honest-to-god proper DOS programming will probably be quite able to
switch the CD and install the stuff from
Hi,
I'm with Kirn on this one. I think people have a wrong idea what
people use FreeDOS for, if at all. First of all, I think that the
assumption that there's a mahoosive community out there might be a wee
bit optimistic. It's probably rather modest, as not too many people
these days use DOS for
I've had a look at it, and I doubt there's much use for it on FreeDOS.
The most glaring obstacle is the choice of programming language.
Neither Microsofts Quickbasic, nor Borlands Turbo-Basic are free
software, so the amount of people who would be able to compile it, is
probably dwindingly small.
> Beside that
> leaves you in general also with the problem on how to transfer your
> programs from your fancy Windows/Linux/macOS box to that VM. That's a
> problem that that you simply do not have when programming ON DOS.
Well, I often use DOS in an emulator (pcem) because that emulates
As far as I know the earlier Turbo-Pascal compilers (I think 5.5 and
earlier) have been freeware'd years ago. They can natively compile
16bit code on Freedos and might be worth a try. You can find even
ancient versions of TP, like 3.0 on winworldpc, and I actually quite
like to go down memory lane
If you have a windows or Linux machine at hand, you might want to
check with pcem. It can emulate several 286 BIOS/board variants. That
would give you a hint if it might be a problem with your board or the
286 architectur in general.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 at 14:33, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
I did have a Mitsumi single speed CD-ROM drive on my massive 20 Mhz
80286 back in 1993. It came with an own ISA interface card, so I think
it probably used some proprietary protocol instead of ATAPI.
Funnily enough that thing did faithful service until 2007 when it
still happily see-sawed inside
The first one I can remember was the Mitsumi CRMC-LU005S single speed
drive, which was the one I had. It had its own card because it was
non-IDE despite the fact that the cable and plug looked exactly like
IDE. They did use a proprietary standard. They definitely worked on an
80286, so I think we
Yeah, around 1993 was when the first ones arrived.
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 01:12, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel
wrote:
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> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel wrote:
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> > The first one I can remember was the Mitsumi CRMC-LU005S single speed
> > drive, wh
Hi Jim,
NASM already comes with FreeDOS. It's a good one to start with. It
works perfectly fine under DOS. There is a German youtuber named
'root42' who has made some pretty good DOS Assembler tutorials in
English.
cheers, Danilo
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 at 17:50, Jim Hall via Freedos-devel
wrote:
Hi Jim,
I know a lot of works has probably gone into this, but quite frankly I
think it looks just like all the other plastic-y websites you find
everywhere. I might be a bit weird, but I kind of like old school
websites that are simple and render on anything. It is sort of funny
to think that we
Hi,
I think the question is rather academic. The Patreon membership is
voluntary. Nothing prevents a user from downloading and using the
program for free and under conditions described by the program's
author. This is different to, let's say, a website that requires a
paid membership to get
Hi Rob,
I would start a bit more at the meta level and research how kernels
work. There are also many sites dealing with OS development (osdev is
useful search term). It is quite instructive to see the first steps
that happen after the machine boots (the boot loader mainly). Once
you've really
The most common translation of MAD would be Verrückt (bonkers, crazy),
although it can translate to wütend in some contexts. The more
accurate translation of wütend would be 'raging'. So if your theory is
right, it was a German who was rather inexperienced at English or just
took the translation
I'm having real problems to read about MAD code written with FAP
subroutines with a straight face. I'm such a child...
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 at 23:00, Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel
wrote:
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> On 1/30/2024 1:37 PM, Jim Hall via Freedos-devel wrote:
> > Jim Hall wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at
The simple answer is - you can't. For starters you would need to
activate the secondary character table in text mode, giving you 512
characters to work with, at the expense of 8 background colours.
Therein lies the problem though. Firstly, it only works on EGA and VGA
cards and secondly - as the
Not to put too fine a point on it, but may I point out that your mail
comes across as somewhat rude? As for your answer: Had you even
bothered to install FreeDOS before kicking up a fuzz, you would have
known that the source code is included in it.
Cheers mate
On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 03:47, Green
Probably the best DOS programming channel is root42:
https://www.youtube.com/@root42
He also has other retro computing stuff going on, but he does an good
lot of videos on DOS programming as well.
Cheers, Hippo
On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 17:57, Jim Hall via Freedos-devel
wrote:
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> On Wed, May 8,
Used not is it.
As far as I know there is no component or application for FreeDOS
that's developed in Forth. But it should be perfectly useable under
FreeDOS, so if you have some ideas, fill your boots mate. :)
Cheers,
The Hippo
On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 at 02:20, Bruce Axtens via Freedos-devel
Neofetch is a good way to give you a quick overview of the machine's
parameters. It's perhaps more of a gimmick under DOS, but in a unix
environment it can be a godsent. When I was database administrator at
Infineon I had to work with about 3000 different machines running
either Linux, Solaris,
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