4 KiB
< 16 GB 16 8 KiB
< 32 GB 3216 KiB
< 2 TB 6432 KiB
Source:
https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/fs/fat/fat-1.html
Confirmation:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Default-cluster-size-for-FAT-compatible-OS_tbl1_261851917
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clusters was invented (in Compaq DOS 3.31) disks
in the gigabyte range were unimaginable. DOS 3.2 only allowed a max of
64MB of hard disk, in one primary and one logical partition of max
32MB each. DOS 3.1 only allowed one partition per hard disk at all
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right now:
«
For developers
FreeDOS includes lots of programming tools so you can create your own
DOS programs. You can also modify FreeDOS itself, because we include
the source code under an open source license.
_Developers_
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nstead, as that's now FOSS as well?
https://github.com/sudleyplace/386MAX
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lazy of them, and totally unhelpful.
What is it, what does it do, how does it different from other DOS
command interpreters? In a word, why should anyone care?
Not a troll. I don't know, and I have dosemu2 and have therefore used it.
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This could be useful to several here, I think.
https://and0uille.net/misc/debug90.html
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> Another guy tried porting Project Oberon (compiler and OS) to Ultibo :
>
> * https://github.com/MGreim/ultiboberon
I looked at that. Sadly not a port, but a port of an emulator.
Oberon used to support StrongARM so a native port would be much more
desirable IMHO.
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https://documentation.help/FreeBASIC/FaqDOS.html
The system requirements specifically mention FreeDOS:
https://documentation.help/FreeBASIC/CompilerRequirements.html
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al, not as just another
> program to be used.
Right, good, so, if possible, please port it to a FOSS version of
BASIC, which would mean the app and the tooling could be distributed
alongside and as part of FreeDOS.
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ly are alive and well as FOSS. I saw a
new benchmark a week ago where one of the single fastest compiled
programs on test was from FBC, and it was several orders of magnitude
faster than Python even using extensions such as NumPy to offload the
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y I would also rate xNix editors like Vim and Emacs as
strictly programmers' tools.)
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Turbo Pascal, Virtual
Pascal and more, but no article on Pascal-P, none on the ISO standards
or anything.
I think step 1 is a clear family tree laying out the differences and
where they forked off one another.
Step 2 is clearly identifying which are active, maintained and used today.
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 at 19:14, Harald Arnesen via Freedos-devel
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> Liam Proven via Freedos-devel [10/08/2023 19.09]:
> > Pascal -> Modula -> Modula-2 -> Oberon Various companies did their own
> > derivatives and follow-ons, such as Modula-3, but those above are th
er 1GB.
For a 240MB drive, reformat it as FAT16. It'll be easier.
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gt; Modula-2 -> Oberon
Various companies did their own derivatives and follow-ons, such as
Modula-3, but those above are the Wirthian languages, and only them.
So I don't know what "Pascal 4" or "Pascal 5" could be, and "P4" and
"P5" aren't standard
t need another.
3. It also had an edge over other DOS menu launchers: it did
task-switching, too. That was quite a big win but I was *NOT* at any
point arguing that FreeDOS needed that. I merely offered it as one
reason that, 30 years ago, I configured DOSshell on my customers'
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discussing and aiming at different things.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:24, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:45 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
> > It's not a 286 hardware feature, no.
XFDOS desktop:
>
> * https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/
I don't think I knew about it at all, I confess, but I do not see the
relevance here. Sorry but it seems like it's off at a tangent.
You are responding to my mail, quoting me, but the responses are
either off at tangents and
SShell files and copy
them into my PC DOS 7 VM.
I have both PC DOS 7.01 and PC DOS 7.1 VM images available for
download from my blog, but Jim does not like me posting the links
here, and it's his list...
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nd just IMHO, that it would be a worthy addition.
Just IMHO I think not having a replacement for DOSshell is a
significant omission. That's all.
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erent directory than the one FDIMPLES puts it in.
ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding
GEOS would be a win.
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 02:52, Paul Edwards via Freedos-devel
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>
> My main interest is using Freedos+HX as a substitute for Windows 95.
AFAICS you never explain. What is "HX"?
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BTW, it's taken me ages to find this -- Google really is rubbish these
days -- but I thought that this link might help to set modern computer
speeds in context.
"Latency numbers every programmer should know -- humanized"
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lines),
instruction decomposition to micro-ops, out of order execution, branch
prediction, speculative execution, and more.
Saying that a Core i7 with the caches all disabled is no quicker than
a 386 is as absurd as saying "well a Ferrari is no quicker than a
Model T Ford, and that had a 2.9 litre e
PU designs, the significance of
microinstruction decomposition and out-of-order execution, perhaps
with reference to VLIW and a couple of examples with some discussion
of their differences, and maybe demonstrating knowledge of the R
area by bringing in the Mill processor, then I'd think there was
some
e terminology in order to
> be understood and make progress.
[...]
> You can't refer to DOSBox or other things like it as virtual machines and
> expect to be understood. That's the bottom line.
Just FWIW, I agree with this assessment.
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 03:45, Michael Brutman wrote:
>
> DOSBox and DOS emulators are not virtual machines. Nobody uses the
> terminology that way.
Just for what it's worth: I agree with you. :-)
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> Again, while interesting, none of those are what I'm talking about.
I know they aren't. I specifically chose them to illustrate how your
attempted explanation was amenable to misinterpretation.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User-mode_Linux
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hange answer (from 11 years ago) seems relevant:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1163846/what-is-a-reentrant-kernel
Note this comment:
«
This is pretty much standard for today's desktop operating systems.
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are 3.12, sitting hidden in my
> storage, something like this would be a great "companion" to FreeDOS...
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hen I worked for Micro Focus, I failed to obtain a staff
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quot;Keep OpenGEM but drop oZone and SEAL"
Sounds good. But please _fix_ OpenGEM. Either configure it to run from
the subdirectory FDIMPLES puts it in, or tweak its batch file to
SWSUBST it to a drive letter of its own.
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 12:25, tom ehlert wrote:
>
> I haven't tested this, but there seems to exist "VBSF.EXE -- a client
> for Shared Folders.
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e relevant services.
This is why I came up with the VM's-HDD-on-USB trick. So long as
you're careful not to mount the VMs' drive while the VM is running, it
works a treat. If you do mount it, it will corrupt the filesystem, so
it's not ideal, though.
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g-before-there-was-os-2/
You can run it in an emulator:
https://www.pcjs.org/software/pcx86/sys/dos/microsoft/4.0M/
This later morphed into CP-DOS:
https://www.os2museum.com/wp/before-os2-was-os2/
Which became "Football":
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st mount a shared folder on the host PC, as
DOSemu or DOSbox do.
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t; depends on the game.
That use case is already covered and so is irrelevant to this
discussion, which I remind you is about how to boot DOS on a UEFI
computer. You seem to have forgotten this.
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ccess to parallel-port devices
* Access to ISA devices
* Emergency diagnostics booted from removable media
> And it's probably getting better over time.
Not for any of these reasons I've given it isn't, no. In fact it's
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4. boot FreeDOS into that
Then FreeDOS loads some kind of shim that talks to the memory manager
that is already resident. The DOS sessions in Windows NT and OS/2 ≥2
both do this already. It is, or was, a thing.
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y thing.
Since we spoke, I've moved house and country. I hope there will be
more time here for my hobby side project with FreeDOS...
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ring too.
> while maintaining the BIOS/DOS environment.
BIOSes are a problem but not in the way you seem to think.
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rtualPC, converted it to
VBox format, and blogged about it. It's here:
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ecifically,
PC DOS 2000, which means PC DOS 7.01 with Y2K fixes.
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detection logic much simpler.
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erm, but I am only an occasional participant here at
best.
> I would say games are low priority (but still vaguely important) and
> thus harder to get working. My main interest is in getting old utils
> and compilers to run. Graphics (and especially sound) are a whole
> other ball of wax.
e. It's an interesting device all right.
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www.hackster.io/news/digirule-2-ruler-and-binary-computer-in-one-68b269af283f
... so now I guess you'd have to build your own.
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n full of
horrid ugly graphics, animations and other time-wasting junk. I would
need to check tens to hundreds of websites to see if anyone commented,
instead of it all coming to 1 email inbox I can access from anywhere.
Email beats all of them.
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the maximum size _for FAT16_ was 32MB.
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plug the key into a Linux box and use
GParted to resize C to as big as you want.
With FAT16, 512MB minus 1kB is the most efficient size. At 1024MB
(1GB) or 2GB you get very big clusters and a lot of space wastage.
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s on Linux years ago:
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both "small" and "fast" are good priorities,
and Ventoy may be easier for many people.
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be doable without a program specifically tailored to that motherboard.
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the repos for openSUSE and Ubuntu and can easily be installed
on other distros.
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i.e. Linux.
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isor on Windows -- used
to bundle PC DOS 2000 for free as its sample VM. So I suspect that a
bunch of new users first encountered it that way.
I run it PC DOS some of my Thinkpads, simply because it feels
artistically _right_ somehow to run an IBM OS on what was originally
IBM-designed hardware. :-)
appeared first in PC DOS 5.02, and then MS-DOS 6.
That I did not know! Fascinating. A little-regarded but very useful
tool, Interlink. I think I wrote somewhere that it still works with
NT, if you just run one end in a DOS command prompt (can't find it
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has LBA+ disk support (that is, EIDE >8GB) and FAT32.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_DOS#PC_DOS_6.3
The former IBM project lead for 7.x has his own site with a lot of info:
https://sites.google.com/site/pcdosretro/
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still on active sale. If a
related product is still on sale, then I myself do not consider that
"abandoned". I merely offered a freeware (no, not FOSS) alternative.
Lest anyone accuse me of spamming: this isn't mine; I make nothing
from it; I do not work for IBM or any part of it. I'm ju
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 09:24, Mark Olesen wrote:
>
> I bought an MS-DOS 7.1 disk on ebay
IBM PC DOS 7.1 is a free download from IBM. It is part of the Server
Guide Scripting Toolkit.
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-serverguide-scripting-toolkit-dos-edition-version-1307
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and 3.11 because they enabled more free RAM for DOS apps.
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umption D0=0 for QEMU.
VBox has 3 different emulated video adapters, IIRC. Tried them all?
But for super-timing-critical stuff, a VM is not the ideal thing.
And for games, I'd recommend DOSbox over VirtualBox.
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> the latest version is always on the bottom.
Such a filename is not DOS-compatible. Subdirectories are.
Could you please bottom-post on mailing lists? Top-posting as you are
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, either for FreeDOS
1.2 or the forthcoming version, if it would help.
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osemu2.github.io/dosemu2/
Most DOSes run under it, and the Ubuntu version comes bundled with FreeDOS.
It is in essence a FOSS version of Locus DOS/Merge, which I was using
in the late 1980s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merge_(software)
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major PC OS I've found that /doesn't/ work is OS/2. However,
this does work under VMware Player, which is freeware but proprietary.
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:56 PM, François Revol re...@free.fr wrote:
Le 12 févr. 2011 à 13:39, Liam Proven a écrit :
The only major PC OS I've found that /doesn't/ work is OS/2. However,
this does work under VMware Player, which is freeware but proprietary.
You can always sent patches
to be technical have no reason to refer
to the owner's faith. Keep it to yourself, just the same as you'd keep
your preferences in food or sex to yourself. It's irrelevant and
frankly rather crass.
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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Robert Riebisch r...@bttr-software.de wrote:
Liam Proven wrote:
... Player works but can't create VMs.
That's wrong. Since version 3.x VMware Player allows to create new VMs.
Really? Wow! That's remarkable. I thought that was its primary limitation.
Thanks
.
And can only use 1 CPU core. Big limitation, that.
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work and do what you want. Both are
free. They will cost you nothing to try.
Stop asking questions, *read the answers* and *go try these products*.
Make your *own* decisions about what you like, don't believe in all
the hearsay and reports on the web.
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manually add one, click have disk and
browse to the folder with the .INF file in it. That's about it. You
may have to manually assign resources, but that's all.
(This is from nearly 20Y old memories, so I can't 100% swear to it,
but that's the outline.)
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http://membres.multimania.fr/eaoyjpa/
Spam from a spammer. Members, don't click it; moderators, ban him!
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lots lots of programs.
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batch-file menus
to navigate through these, for instance for systems with no mouse or
no graphics or Braille display users, etc. Again, happy to help
implement them; I did such things routinely in the 1980s on my
production systems.
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no idea what it does. I am
not happy to have unknown programs of unknown purpose that are not
mentioned in the help in my default configuration files. I removed
them.
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conflicting components by default.
[4] If there is no detected network config, then skip networking stages
[5] If there is a detected network, then save the DHCP into into a
RAMdisk or something, because it is /way/ too slow to reacquire an
address dozens of times
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with the setup/install procedure in the CD ISO for FD1.0...
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now, though, it's 2AM GMT, so it will be tomorrow before I
write, I think. :¬)
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