to such a printer.
MS's workgroup client would do that just fine and it's freeware.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc750214.aspx
http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/microsoft-network-client-30/7487.html
Connecting directly, though? I can't think of a way off the top of my head, no.
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with special tools, such as
EasyBCD:
http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
This is a complete pain.
Also, Vista Win7 automatically rename their boot partition as C:
when they boot, regardless of where it is in the partition sequence,
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emulates an 8086 CPU, at least, and preferably an 80386 or better.
Examples include BOCHS or QEMU, although QEMU would be more
complicated as it emulates many different computers as well as
PC-compatibles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochs
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of the driver to
recover the screen after closing a MSDOS session screen...)
Identify what graphics card VBox is emulating look for a Windows 3
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Identify what graphics card VBox is emulating look for a Windows 3
driver for it.
Not that easy :)
VirtualBox is emulating a VirtualBox graphic card
good Internet
Web experience - for 1995.
But of course it doesn't run on DOS.
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On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:22 +0100, Liam Proven wrote
Windows 3.1x for high resolution displays i.e. beyond 1280x1024 with 16
million colours. Sadly I've had to abandon it due to lack
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*sigh* I'd forgotten about that 64k limitation. :(
There is a /reason/ why people dropped Windows 3 like a hot potato
once they had a better
there that could be used, or at least studied. It would be a
bootstrapping process, as once the system got to a level where Linux
tools could be cross-compiled, there is tons of suitable Free software
available: lightweight window managers, editors, Internet tools and so
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to be able to do this...
Yes indeed. But then, there clearly are some skilled people working on FreeDOS!
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, as the actual backend) you could
say that this already exists anyway :-)
OK, true, but it's less help without a multitasker.
Not that it would really help you with X and GUI, though...
Well, it would, *if* one had a multitasking hypervisor on top of DOS.
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Which was one of my core points.
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It's hard to read that here because of lots of extra
incorrectly-translated characters, but it looks to me a little like
something is trying to write long filenames into your directory but
not using the correct storage format or method.
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[Spare Linux ext3 volume]
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With a 2nd drive reserved for data.
BSD and Solaris will not install into logical partitions, so I must
set aside primaries for them - but all versions of Linux and Windows
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jasse...@itelefonica.com.br wrote:
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Ahh, OK. Fair enough, that makes sense. The legal
layout for DOS, then, would be:
1 primary partition
1 extended partition
\
[logical drive][logical drive
whatever it wants with it. Yes, no other vendor could do it, but no
other vendor owns FAT.
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It's normal behaviour, across multiple versions, so I'm not sure it
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You have been lucky. I have seen many incorrectly-partitioned systems
with multiple primaries where some drives were not visible, on various
versions of MS-DOS and up to Windows
them,
but if you know how to make them it allways worked
since MSDOS-3.
(Liam Proven)
You have been lucky. I have seen many incorrectly-
partitioned systems with multiple primaries where
some drives were not visible, on various versions
of MS-DOS and up to Windows 95.
(Alain Mouette)
Not Lucky
to almost 2 GiB
You are absolutely right. I should have taken more care - sorry.
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by freedos
It should work. Do you have any basic DOS diagnostics like MSD or
Quarterdeck's MFT? It might be worth checking that the add-in card is
on LPT1: - it is possible it's on LPT2: or LPT3: instead.
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thanks liam
i am onsite again in the morning to check it out further
its a plain install of freedos + the proprietary database the system is
running
no diags available except ultimate boot cd, tuff pro on cd
I'd suggest downloading some putting them
, but it wrung out every
last byte of free RAM. I suspect you might get further with that than
with FreeDOS, although I could be wrong...
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for it.
DOS 5.1? I don't remember any such version.
InterLink appeared around the time of MS-DOS 6, I think, and I found
it very hand for many years. I never was a fan of Laplink. :¬)
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DOS any more, so I'm afraid I am unlikely to use
your tool; I am just trying to clarify what you are being asked for,
as you seem not to be getting it.
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permanently illuminated.
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/winman/formfd.htm
So you'd do:
echo myfile.txt > lpt2:
... then...
echo ^L > lpt2:
^L means "press Ctrl and the letter l"
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d to LPT2:
Agreed.
Bryan is not telling us the full story here. I have asked for more
info, been told
"I do not perceive your specification of further information required!"
... (whatever that means) so I am giving up here.
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ice drivers, so almost all DOS apps implemented their own printer
support with device drivers to enable different font sizes, *bold* and
_underline_ and /italics/ and so on.
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ergone multiple generation changes since the
DOS era.
> There is no existing Linux system that I could run in this fashion,
> because for me personally, there is no existing Linux system providing
> the adaptive technology I both desire and require.
Can you give us some examples of what yo
ing with a lot more space than they used
> to have.
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chine before now. It
brings additional power, complexity and accessibility issues, though.
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. Karen, mind your manners. You are
living up to the reputation of your name.
> If freedos is never going to provide a proper browser, how can it claim to
> be a fully functional operating system where networking is concerned?
It doesn't. Apparently your ignorance about DOS is greater
clutching. We can't let go of our broken political and economic and
military-industrial systems. We can't even let go of our broken 1960s
and 1970s computer operating systems.
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I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims.
I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue
me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not.
This is a mailing list. It cannot be edited. What is sent is sent and
it cannot be changed.
If
have returned,
because I am intermittently pursuing a couple of DOS-related projects
of my own, I quickly remembered why I left.
All I can say is: it's not just you. :-( I get a strong feeling of
being treated like an idiot and condescended to.
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, Rio etc. were inspired
by an earlier OS, called Oberon. It is still around, runs on modern PC
hardware, is FOSS, and is astonishingly small and fast.
http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/04/22/oberon/
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e to
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improves their job security --
they know you need to keep them.
I was a Windows whizzkid in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
I saw the way things were going by the mid 1990s, so I left the
business and became a journalist. Then the Web killed all the computer
magazines, so I became a technical wr
ws, try running
it under Windows, then copy across the unpacked files. If you don't,
you could try WINE on Linux, or just try opening it with a Linux
archive manager -- many of them can unpack Windows SEAs.
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a 404 (April 26, 2021,19:29)
Strange. For me, it automatically redirects, and I copied and pasted
the URL directly.
http://outliners.scripting.com/ is the redirect.
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ike it has a lot of extra functionality
I'd not need -- character tracking, plots, etc., rather like Scrivener
-- but if the outliner is capable, it could help me.
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ectory in
that driver you downloaded.
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copies of Word 97 and Office 2000, so I think I can use
down-level versions legally, but sadly Word 6 is not freeware.
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ficant
improvement -- but I have not played with it yet, as AFAIK no
distribution includes it so far.
I note that DOSemu 1 on Debian, Ubuntu, openSUSE etc. still includes
FreeDOS 0.9-something, pre-1.0 as far as I can recall. That might be
something for the FreeDOS team to investigate and rectify. :-)
files on Linux partitions, printing to Linux
printers, etc.
But conceptually close!
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It might be both fun and useful, but it's not really DOS any more...
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in a later version of the
> BIOS. But, I wouldn't rely on this anymore - for many vendors it's
> UEFI-only from now on.
They are probably all UEFI-only, but some have UEFI with BIOS
emulation -- that is, CSM -- and some have UEFI without.
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a TCP/IP stack and bind it to the card.
[3] Find and install an LPD/LPR client on that stack.
I found this, from this list, 14Y ago.
https://freedos-user.narkive.com/uTRrLddU/printing-to-a-network-printer
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ost
certainly just lie and say "yes" to get the sale.
The real question is: "can the machine boot DOS?" Even so, I think
very few would know.
Try it and see is the best answer.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 15:55, Mateusz Viste wrote:
>
> On 27/04/2021 15:43, Liam Proven wrote:
> > UEFI vs BIOS is either-or. A single machine can't have both, and I do
> > not know of any where it is a choice. It is a design decision.
>
> On my Thinkpads the BIOS allows t
want prompts,
format a: /autotest
These are the MS command variants but I suspect they'd work.
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d which still can run the same OS: RISC OS. You should try it. There
are free emulators if you don't have a Pi.
> where the 8086 all the way up to the Penitum I 233 MMX is a CISC processor.
Still is.
> The Pi processor is an orange where the IBM PC processor is an apple and
> you can't
MacOS on a MIPS computer, or SGI IRIX on
PowerPC, or Solaris on an ARM computer, and you can't run DOS on an
ARM. But the OP seems not to fully understand these differences.
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imagine he said. That is
unfair and wrong.
> And if someone doesn't understand this issue at hand is part of the
> problem...
It appears that someone here does not fully and properly understand
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nd its firmware will take over the INT13 BIOS
calls for disk access completely.
If you do decide to go that route, though, I advise _against_ mixing
SATA and EIDE/PATA disks. Let the SATA controllers' firmware take over
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basic understanding of
statistics and ideas like a significant or insignificant difference.
I've seen websites making buying recommendations based on measuring
external sources' bar charts with a ruler, when they did not notice
that the Y axis did not begin at zero.
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month, which was a follow-up to my talk at
FOSDEM 2020. They may interest folk here.
https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/77065.html
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upports-non-RAID/
https://www.amazon.com/VT6421A-3-Port-SATA-Raid-Controller/dp/B000YMJ6ZE/
I have also read that some SATA-EIDE converters work in both
directions, sometimes set with a jumper. So maybe you could use the
one you already have, IIUIC, to attach a PATA optical drive to a SATA
por
if
possible, mostly laptops now, according to things like keyboard
quality and screen resolution. So long as it has, say, a Core i5 and
enough RAM or the RAM is cheap to add, it will do. I still have some
Core 2 machines in use; they're fine for light use, despite being over
a decade old.
Koomey's L
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 22:28, Jon Brase wrote:
>
>
> On 3/3/21 7:30 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > Yes. Use a disk manager. It will install a tiny overlay before the OS
> > boots and that will allow you to use arbitrarily-large disks without
> > problems. (Probably not with
ci.org/docs/biblio/online/firmware/diskmgr.htm
Just be careful using boot disks -- you need the disk manager on your
boot disks too. Boot from a non-disk-manager disk and writing to the
drive *will* corrupt it.
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to bypass CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT
completely, and run the update.
No need for an optical disk at all. Don't waste it. No external drive
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wrote:
> I can be a part of a healthy conversation, otherwise I have to respectfully
> withdraw.
Please do.
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he suggestions from "Michael Christopher
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s day. So Unix-like, AT sent Dennis
Ritchie himself to the MWC offices to check it wasn't pirated. It
wasn't.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/_ZaYeY46eb4/m/5B41Uym6d4QJ
It's FOSS now.
http://www.nesssoftware.com/home/mwc/
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forts to keep up, Linux has grown just as bloated.
I used a distro in the mid-1990s that ran in 3MB of disk space (2
floppies) — http://www.toms.net/rb/ — and another that installed onto
a DOS hard disk in a subdirectory and took about 10MB —
http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/download/pygmy/py
And WordPerfect soon owned the DOS wordprocessor market.
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sktop x86 (very customisable, full desktop, and used
less RAM than CB++ (±205MB)
I also saw that Mageia still supports x86-32 but it is not mentioned
as a lightweight distro.
> https://www.slitaz.org/en/
Worth knowing -- thanks. I haven't looked at Slitaz in a decade. I
will bear it in mind.
Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Remember the KISS Principle!
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 17:39, Michael Christopher Robinson
wrote:
>
> Some version of Windows is what Dell expects him to have to update his BIOS,
> that's where that came in.
No, it doesn't, and you are wrong. PLEASE stop giving ill-informed,
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HIM.*
Just get Unetbootin and use that. It is very easy.
https://unetbootin.github.io/
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erboard and chipset, as AMD and Intel chips do not work in each
other's motherboards or even fit into each other's sockets.
An Intel BIOS won't work in an AMD board, and an AMD BIOS won't work
on an Intel board.
For at least one variant, revision A02 looked to be the latest.
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m's contribution. Does the file size support that theory.
Not really, no.
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trying to access a USB device from DOS, which needs complex
drivers and configuration. And since the USB key can be used again and
again, unlike an optical medium, it is more environmentally friendly
too, as well as easier.
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rticles here:
https://search.theregister.com/?q==1=liam+proven=the+dawn+of+time_per_page=100
I don't have much time for it any more as I'm a full-time writer and
editor, and also (at 53) a new dad with an 18-month-old daughter.
But thank you for the encouragement. :-)
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see a transition to a protected
> architecture, and any general-purpose architecture introduced today is almost
> certain to have memory protection.
Agreed.
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(Concurrent CP/M, Concurrent
DOS, FlexOS, Multiuser DOS) which could multitask DOS apps.
I am not saying Paterson stole the code. I am saying he lifted the design.
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nt favourite, which is Oberon.
http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/04/22/oberon/
There are a _lot_ of choices out there that are not as bloated as
modern Linux tends to be, and not super-simple and limited like DOS
(any DOS).
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am most excited by is the personal project of the lead
programmer of Tao Group's Taos and Intent/Elate:
https://github.com/vygr/ChrysaLisp
But none are beginner-friendly... Yet, anyway. :-)
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an ARM, or an ARM OS on an x86. What you need is an emulator.
You can emulate DOS on a Pi if you want.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21
https://github.com/jhhoward/Faux86/releases
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re _are_ some drivers, for USB 1, for _some_ chipsets, but they
are difficult to configure. If you have to ask, you can't do it.)
But if you boot FreeDOS from a USB key, the BIOS emulates a hard disk
for DOS and it will work.
This is the same answer as your BIOS question.
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96865/cebit-caldera-windows-dr-dos-denying-ms-claims
It was codenamed "Winglue" and demonstrated at CEBIT:
https://www.theregister.com/1998/09/28/caldera_s_dr_gets_onsatellite/
I stand by my comments.
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at has been
booted about 3 times in a year.
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at Paterson re-implemented, from scratch, cleanly and
with his own code, the _design_ of CP/M.
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design, yes.
> I however don't think so. 'lifting' implies
> some unproper behaviour
That is why I used the word, yes.
> BTW: your original statement was
>
> 'Remember that in effect MS-DOS was an unlicensed copy of Digital
>Research's CP/M and particularly CP/M-86.'
>
>
posted links, but if you search
with Google on the site liam-on-linux.livejournal.com for "DR DOS" or
"PC DOS", you will find descriptions of what I have done and downloads
of VirtualBox VHD images.
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ss you
actively like attacking strangers on the internet who are trying to
offer help, guidance and advice free of charge, _modify your tone_.
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r original UNIX ideas.
This is true, but that was MS-DOS _2_ and after that point it started
to diverge radically from its ancestor.
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s of no interest or relevance
to IBM RS6000 customers, and AIX was of no interest to Sun customers,
and so on. Each only ran on their own proprietary hardware until late
in the era of proprietary RISC workstations.
But I must concede your overall point.
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t.
> few people would agree with you on that.
To be honest, I think very few people would agree with what you
obviously feel are strong counter-arguments. To me, your arguments
make no sense at all.
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 13:36, tom ehlert wrote:
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> and by extension FreeDOS is an unlicensed copy of MSDOS 6.x ?
>
> nope.
And now you are talking to yourself – and disagreeing with yourself?!
Are you feeling all right?
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hours idly surfing the Web.
You can't meaningfully use the Web at all. That helps me to get more
done.
It's also handy for re-flashing BIOSes and things like that. :-)
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rivers/driversdetails?driverid=r281635=rt
Note what it says:
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This file format consists of a BIOS executable file. The Universal
(Windows/MS DOS) format can be used to install from any Windows or MS
DOS environment.
»
EXE is the file format for Windows (and OS/2) as well as DOS, you know.
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