Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-11 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a
Hello, I think that it's a good idea overall that one can decide the folder where one can install the "big" programs, as could be to have a OpenWatcom or FreePascal distribution, whereas the single-binary ones (or equally smaller) should be merged into the freedos\bin directory. 2009/4/6 Eric Au

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Almost. Packages which need many files in the same "BINish" directory have separate directories. This includes for example Arachne, DOG, Emacs, Network and USB driver bags, FBC, GhostScript, the 1.0 game collection, FDSM

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, as long as core / tool programs are in some directory in PATH, things will be fine. For other apps, people can add a batch into one of the directories in PATH or they can use ALIAS or just chdir to the place to run stuff :-). Of course PATH can differ between different DOSes and different peo

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread maybeway36
I don't think the utilities directory should be called SBIN. On Unix, this usually implies tools for administrative purposes, as opposed to utilities that can be used by anyone. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Q

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again and sorry for adding to the high mail traffic :-p > there are many approach to do this, > but we need to follow a practical approach > so, i'm in favor of a \bin directory for all > fd packages and 3rd party sw should be > separeted with their developers don't want to > create a 'fdished

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, > We already may check that, simply looking wheter there is a \appinfo\*.lsm > file or not. > The idea was rather to make a difference between "FreeDOS packages containing > system files, like format" and "FreeDOS packages containing some other apps, > like Arachne". Something in a concept

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! >> My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a >> renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder where >> my app is inside and to start it from there. >> >> But if it's all mixed into the /bin directory the normal cwsdpmi.exe >> will be overwritte

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! >> Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install >> create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. We do not have many "apps": Everything in BASE can go into the same fdos/bin directory for example, and many of the UTIL things can be sorted into relatively

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 00:14, Marco Antonio Achury Palma wrote: > Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install > create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. why not: > > /office > /dev > /audio > /video > /games/adventure > /games/arcade > /games/puzzle I g

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 01:18, Michael Reichenbach wrote: > I am working on an DOS application I wanted to package into FreeDOS's > format by default. > > My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a > renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder wher

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 01:50, Jim Hall wrote: > I once had an idea that we should put an LSM header/comment in the zip > file. If the FD package tool saw an LSM there, it would know the zip > file was really a FD pkg and not a third-party zip file. Hi Jim! We already may check that, simply looki

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread usul
> of course, this is my opinion and we must > open it for vote, imho Even though I am in favor of splitting up things, I am wondering if this is bad time for this discussion. As it may delay getting out 1.1 even further. Perhaps this should be tabled till after the release. usul ---

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Geraldo Netto
Hi guys, well, as we can see, there are many approach to do this, but we need to follow a practical approach so, i'm in favor of a \bin directory for all fd packages and 3rd party sw should be separeted with their developers don't want to create a 'fdished package' of course, this is my opinion a

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
Is better to do something like %DOSAPPS% so you can have apps on their own dir 2009/4/5, Blair Campbell : >> It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. >> Besides that, there's no clear directive about "how to install 3rd party >> apps". > > It should be %DOSDIR%\bin > >

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Blair Campbell
> It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Besides > that, there's no clear directive about "how to install 3rd party apps". It should be %DOSDIR%\bin > > I would propose the following rules: > - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ > - Any

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Jim Hall
> > However, it's not a trivial thing to do, as we would need a way to tell "this > is a FreeDOS package, while this one is 3rd party one". Nothing like that is > ready today. Obviously, it would require some additional developpement on > FDPKG, too... > I once had an idea that we should put an

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Reichenbach
Well, I also thought about that. I am working on an DOS application I wanted to package into FreeDOS's format by default. My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder where my app is inside and to start it

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. why not: /office /dev /audio /video /games/adventure /games/arcade /games/puzzle 2009/4/5, Mateusz Viste : > On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:15, Marco Antonio Achury Palma w

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:15, Marco Antonio Achury Palma wrote: > I agree is nice to have separated paths for base system and apps. This > is the good old way to make things. The most of the dos apps are self > contained without dependencies. One problem I remember is to have > path to all the a

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
I agree is nice to have separated paths for base system and apps. This is the good old way to make things. The most of the dos apps are self contained without dependencies. One problem I remember is to have path to all the apps, sometimes become bigger than the available environment variable spac

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread usul
Utilities too late the party? Because I think the utilities and freedos "core" should be separated. Here is one reason why. Say I am working on a program that I want to be dos compatible. any Dos and not just free dos, or I need to test the compatibility. C:\FDOS C:\MSDOS etc and this could be

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Sunday 05 April 2009 16:11, Jim Hall wrote: > I think Mateusz is suggesting separating the programs from the "base" > list (in ...\BIN) from those that are in "devel" or "util" (in > ...\SBIN). In this case, FORMAT would show up in ...\BIN. Yes, it was indeed my idea... > Imagine all the (new?

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Jim Hall
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Christian Masloch wrote: >> - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ >> - Any system enhacement (grep, ls, pcisleep, cwsdpmi, fdupdate...) goes >> to \SBIN\ > > Why should I want two directories with binaries? Plus, some of the > binaries mi

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Christian Masloch
> - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ > - Any system enhacement (grep, ls, pcisleep, cwsdpmi, fdupdate...) goes > to \SBIN\ Why should I want two directories with binaries? Plus, some of the binaries might be appropriate for both \BIN and \SBIN (even FORMAT!). Re