Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2013-01-02 Thread Aitor Santamaría
As far as I know, it is just for assembler, not C... (but nice all the same!). I did some experiments in the past with Nomyso till JWASM appeared (motivated by the fact that older JEMM only compiled under MASM). Aitor 2012/4/11 Bernd Blaauw > Op 11-4-2012 20:25, Rugxulo schreef: > > >> (PS: If

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-12 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > On 4/11/2012 9:17 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > > I don't understand the "changing OSes and compilers due to arbitrary > limitations comment".  Are you saying that people are being forced to > move away from OW because there is no 64 bit su

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-11 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 4/11/2012 9:17 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > It's not insane at all. In fact, some people *like* static binaries. > :-) And they are sure a billion times smaller than silly GLIBC. I'm > not saying GLIBC doesn't have advantages, but I think OW is perfectly > acceptable for Linux. However, no shared lib su

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-11 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > On 4/11/2012 1:25 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Michael B. Brutman >>  wrote: >>> For hard-core application programming where you need to use a few BIOS >>> and DOS interrupts I like to use C and C++ (car

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-11 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 4/11/2012 1:25 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Michael B. Brutman > wrote: >> For hard-core application programming where you need to use a few BIOS >> and DOS interrupts I like to use C and C++ (carefully). C gives you a >> tremendous amount of control and flexib

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-11 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 11-4-2012 20:25, Rugxulo schreef: >> (PS: If we have FreeDOS code that doesn't compile under OW I'd be >> interested in seeing it. A few #defines can fix a lot of problems. The >> debugging is the hard part.) > > There is a tcc2wat "library" by Blair Campbell on iBiblio, if anyone > wants to

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-11 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > > For hard-core application programming where you need to use a few BIOS > and DOS interrupts I like to use C and C++ (carefully).  C gives you a > tremendous amount of control and flexibility. > > Open Watcom is open source and is r

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-07 Thread Michael B. Brutman
For hard-core application programming where you need to use a few BIOS and DOS interrupts I like to use C and C++ (carefully). C gives you a tremendous amount of control and flexibility. My two favorite compilers are: Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 for DOS: I did most of my early mTCP work. It reall

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 08:32 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > > For more than half of those languages, there doesn't exist a (at > > least serious) DOS implementation. > > You rather have to use what is available, and that is fairly limited... > >There is easily an implementation for more than half of those, but >often

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >>2012/4/6, Alex : >> >> > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date >> > for FreeDOS? > > Well, I don't know... > I used 3.02 on DOS for a long time, [xyz] would be clear > advantages over 3.0. And it was still r

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 03:57 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >> >>On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >> > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >> > >> >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >> >>each month): >> >

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 05:05 PM 4/6/2012, Zbigniew wrote: >2012/4/6, Alex : > > > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date > > for FreeDOS? > >Perhaps TP 3.0 - maximal effect taken out of minimum of code? > >#v+ >Turbo Pascal 3 for MS-DOS was released in September 1986. Being >version 3, th

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 04:45 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > > > 16-bit is dead, no machines are made purely 16-bit anymore. AMD64 long > > mode doesn't (properly) support 16-bit at all, and popular compilers > > like GCC never cared to support it. Also, people hate it, so

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Zbigniew
2012/4/6, Alex : > What, in your view, are the best production-ready languages currently > available to FreeDOS users? Don't forget various Forth variants. > By production-ready I also mean that they must have a minimal set of > libraries... Depends, what actually you mean by "minimal set of li

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Zbigniew
2012/4/6, Alex : > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date > for FreeDOS? Perhaps TP 3.0 - maximal effect taken out of minimum of code? #v+ Turbo Pascal 3 for MS-DOS was released in September 1986. Being version 3, there were lesser releases prior to it and flashier

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > 16-bit is dead, no machines are made purely 16-bit anymore. AMD64 long > mode doesn't (properly) support 16-bit at all, and popular compilers > like GCC never cared to support it. Also, people hate it, so a lot of > C code uses 32-bit-isms, sadly.

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 03:57 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >Hi, > >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > > > >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated > >>each month): > >> > >>http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Sorry, but as

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >>each month): >> >>http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ > > Sorry, but as far as programming for (Free)DOS is concerned, that > li

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >each month): > >http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ Sorry, but as far as programming for (Free)DOS is concerned, that list is completely irrelevant... Ralf --

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Alex wrote: > > The discussion is getting interesting. I have changed the subject of > this thread to Programming languages in FreeDOS, if you dont't mind. > > What, in your view, are the best production-ready languages currently > available to FreeDOS users? >

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
Has anyone tried Lua in DOS? In theory Lua is supposed to run nicely on all platforms, but how well does it play with the DOS environment specifically? I know, it all depends on the availability of libraries/modules. So let me rephrase the question: does anyone know of Lua extensions for the DOS en

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 12:06 PM 4/6/2012, Eric Auer wrote: >>DJGPP is a free open DOS port of GNU C/C++ and OpenWatcom C is >>also pretty open. None of the Turbo things are open, although >>some were free in the Borland Software Museum for a while. Now >>you hav