Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

erience, identifiable, but not explainable?Does that work, is that right ? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

- so-called Arrow of Time. *Possibly infinitely many. **Time and Observer http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/time <http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/time&obs.htm> &obs.htm Ken _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw Sent:

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

Ken, To make that divergent math work, your 2 + 2 = n + d is just the kind of dilemma with modeling the emerging divergent systems of nature that not studying divergent sequences distracts us from. There's a solution. Can you guess? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

hoot. That's what I dubbed it anyway, the prudent choice to not push the learning demands of a system beyond the responsiveness of its parts. Does that make any sense in terms of what you observe? Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~~

[FRIAM] the purpose of science

control could be called its "principal principle", i.e. don't overshoot. That's what I dubbed it anyway, the prudent choice to not push the learning demands of a system beyond the responsiveness of its par

Re: [FRIAM] This Economy Does Not Compute & Rosen

Peter, But wasn't Ken's plea for complex stochastic models?? The problem is that the physical system has emergent processes and is not either a linear, non-linear or stochastic projection of the past, either simple or complex. It's not a projection of the past at all. It's a divergence from an

Re: [FRIAM] Is programming a mathematical formalism

Or to paraphrase, if I may Nick, "Simple clear math has no environment. Math with an environment is no longer simple and clear". Phil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:01 PM > To:

Re: [FRIAM] This Economy Does Not Compute - and the fix

Oh yes... how the fix for the need for a "Goldilocks" magic in setting the price for unmarketable assets. It's very simple. Just use your best realistic guess. You don't worry about putting the tax payer on the hook by including the provision that the costs of stabilizing a system brought down

Re: [FRIAM] This Economy Does Not Compute - and the fix

Another way to say why there is a phase transition to instability there is that it is inherent in pushing learning tasks to exceed their response times. Becoming incoherent in response is a kind of system failure that leads to systems to collapse for any critical part. That is part of that learni

[FRIAM] then... how DO you tell the difference?

difference between how things?If so, how do you define or make the destinction? Best, Phil Henshawwww.synapse9.com .·´ ¯ `·. ~ 212-795-4844 680 Ft.Washington Ave NY NY 10040 [EMAIL

[FRIAM] the thought process..

The flaw in models is that they're used to reinforce our belief in determinism. Believing determinism is what keeps us from learning the right questions to ask about things that behave out of control. One of the very first things you find out if you actually take an interest in them is that t

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

he beginning of "the big crunch" and the control system misbehavior "fishtailing". If people want to know what to do to reduce the level of the calamity even at this point they should ask. Phil Henshaw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter S

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance

Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:24 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > If offering > > opportunity for mischief isn't a direct physical cause i

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance

Marcus, Thanks for acknowledging that there at least might be some process behind the buzz words being used in the pop culture discussion of events. The so called 'sub-prime crisis' is referred to using a stereotype for ancient and long discredited people and practices. I think it's inadequate

[FRIAM] data opportunity

Our fascination in physics with colliders shows that large data sets of things banging into each other is a potential gold mine of complex systems data. The big non-linear colliders in the economic system are producing a storm of data on fishtailing control mechanisms at the present, and a pote

Re: [FRIAM] For the physicist geeks in the group

What about the bigger non-linear real world colliders?I think they're magnificent complex processes that matter enormously to understand.Did you all decide they're just equations we'll never understand or something, or that what looked like a major collapse of our life-support system was ju

Re: [FRIAM] well we did finance....

> > Doubtless, but since ignoring it we are, knowing of it we do not. > > Evidence alone won't find it (no matter how well or variously or > repetitively presented). > > You have to ask a right question. > > Punctuation may help too; maybe some hyphens. > &

[FRIAM] well we did finance....

Is there anything else around we can ignore the pump it till it quits problem for? pfh FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http:/

Re: [FRIAM] For the physicist geeks in the group

Hmmm. I got a black hole appearing in the middle of the device that consumed it. Are any of you still there??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subj

[FRIAM] real cause; money multiplies, earth doesn't

.Explorers starve or get buried by avalanches for reading to pass judgment.You can come up with open questions in a blink, so don’t turn any page without finding one. Best, Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~ 212-795-4844 680 Ft.Washington

[FRIAM] the real reason growth ends in sorrow

. Everyone mistakenly sees the multiplier as a way to multiply their own rewards, and doesn’t see that it as also multiplies their neighbor’s risks. The real problem is that there is no way to turn it off when the risks get out of control. Best, Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Gunther, I'd welcome some clarification too. I think there's a dilemma in that many people don't share a way to distinguish between ontology and information. It seems to have been the standard position of modern theoretical science for 80 years that the two are one and the same, theoretically, i

Re: [FRIAM] Reductionism - was: Young but distant gallaxies

ong as the whole problem is inside the formula then there's no problem. As soon as you put a formula inside an environment, though, there's a curious formal gap of disconnection all around it, it seems to me. phil Ken _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: [FRIAM] Reductionism - was: Young but distant gallaxies

You guys all seem to be missing the difference between the value of reducing your solution and the error of ignoring the complexities of your problem. I find it's often going out of my way to trace the complexities of the problem to see where they lead that leads me out of my blinders and gives me

[FRIAM] ;-) Evolutionists Flock To Darwin-Shaped Wall Stain

(if pics don't travel, see link below) from Steve Kurtz Evolutionists Flock To Darwin-Shaped Wall Stain SEPTEMBER 5, 2008 | ISSUE 44.36 Darwinic pilgrims claim the image fills them with an overwhelming feeling of logic. DAYTON, TN-A steady stream of devoted evolutionists continued to gather i

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Ah yes, I believe in scientific thinking as doing reduction the 'right way' too, but not without checking.That's then done by having a way to look for how we're doing it the 'wrong way'. If you don't have the latter the former can be just self-fulfilling prophecy. The basic dilemma is tha

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies - too good to ever ask about

essage- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:04 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies > > Phil Henshaw wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Maybe there are two sides to reductionism, the 'good' reduction of a problem that locates the true central solution, and the 'bad' reduction of the environment to fit the solution you prefer. The latter makes the 'hammer solution' interpret everything as a nail. The former notices what's not a

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Well, there is a very particular and specific reason for that (humorous) way of saying it being very truthful. It's that environments thrive by housing diverse *differently organized* things that independently exploit each other's differences. If you don't see the cognitive dissonances, you're

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Well, maybe one very general way is to say reductionism is representing that things are well represented by our information at hand (i.e. using our information to substitute for things rather than to refer to them, ‘reducing’ things to our information about them). Our best information is generall

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

No problem. The question for any good science of emergence is often whether you're mad enough! Emergence is something we notice as the 'madness' of nature herself, in doing things without having a prior rule to follow, after all. The emergence question I was raising in response to Nick's que

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

bout specifics > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Jack Leibowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >> > >> As a new correspondent in the FRIAM family, w

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

I guess that's the puzzle, since we can't use triangulation to measure distance for stars we use various corollaries for age to measure distance and of distance to measure age, according to the equations that have seemed to make sense so far. That the equations have not been making sense in severa

[FRIAM] Does my old continuity theorem answer Rosen's complaint?

s being as I say, that limiting science to the study of convergent series prevents science from studying emergence or life, then does my proof answer his complaint 'yes' by showing a useful r

Re: [FRIAM] Thing one and Thing two

Yes, there's a good way to connect beginning and ending.It's as a organized series of questions applicable to any circumstance where change is conserved. It's based on the emergent continuities of beginning and ending, that require accumulation, and that the accumulations need to change sign

Re: [FRIAM] GridPaths, Knuth's nifty book & a Question

book & a Question And eventually you will re-invent back propagation through feed forward neural networks - assuming non-recurrence. The solutions to the "problem" are ensembles of paths. Ken _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil

Re: [FRIAM] GridPaths, Knuth's nifty book & a Question

That sounds like you're saying that having an ability to predict an outcome with certainty, a 'final cause' in that sense, means that discovering the path the system will take in getting there is not relevant?I think that reversing that logic is the thing to do, that knowing the end gives you g

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

Glen, Oops, please ignore last quip, a response to an old email having had a couple extra beers... My technique is for identifying where physical systems beyond our information are located, and then how to explore them for interesting information. I guess the way that relates to Rosen is as what

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

Glen, Well, of course "having clues to where to look for discoverable things" is not a reliable procedure ...if you simply speculate. It's like offering someone in a clue to where the beer is. If you don't go get it it's a hopelessly unreliable way to have one. You m

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

Glen, ..clip > You can stay in the system. Then there's only symbols. Whoever said > that > it was allowed to go outside the symbols? > > And if you analyze one formal system on a higher level formal system, > then, there again, only symbols. > > Everything else is philosophy (this is barebones

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

> OK. So perhaps you might be willing to change your question to: > "Given > an INcomplete math representation of a button, how would you derive a > math representation of a button hole?" If you did that, then we might > be able to formulate an answer. However, although that modified > questio

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > So, you get the representation of the unknown context of a thing by > somehow > > knowing that the thing is not well described with

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:29 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > You say

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself - in context

Glen, You say math can jump in and out of context with 'meta-math', "a mechanistic method for "jumping out" of the context of any given mechanism into its entailing context."If you have a complete mathematical representation of a button, how would you derive a representation of a button hole fr

Re: [FRIAM] 1. Re: Rosen, Life Itself (Marcus G. Daniels)

om: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:39 PM > To: Phil Henshaw; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [FRIAM] 1. Re: Rosen, Life Itself (Marcus G. Daniels) > > All, > > Collage

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, and mapping

So far I only hear issues about mapping theoretical things to theoretical things, math to math, theory to theory. Last I knew the only mapping between physical and theoretical things had to do with ranges of uncertainty in measures of the physical things, like weight and height guessing, and that

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, and mapping

It seems Rosen would be concerned with incomplete mapping for categories of things in relation to categories of reason.Take the ideal condition: assume that nature is completely consistent with her categories and people are perfectly self-consistent in using theirs, will it then be possible

Re: [FRIAM] 1. Re: Rosen, Life Itself (Marcus G. Daniels)

- > From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:58 PM > To: Phil Henshaw; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [FRIAM] 1. Re: Rosen, Life Itself (Marcus G. Daniels) > > I am not so

Re: [FRIAM] 1. Re: Rosen, Life Itself (Marcus G. Daniels)

Interesting observation. That's rather common in how conversations and languages evolve I think, reusing pieces snatched from old ones, without the whole. In culture the 'compost' is very nutritious. Natural systems, biology and economies often find new uses for the compost of prior constructs l

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

Newton can disclaim an interest in causality. Do you > > have the book at hand? Am I wrong about this??? > > Have I misjudged the group's interest in Rosen? I have imagined by > now > > that others would be beavering away at synopses of other chapters > > and/or bee

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

Orlando, But aren't you and Jochen talking about insight here as if it were just some diffusion process of echoes of other things, rather than a synthetic event, and so leaving the core question of what the heck is making the echoes around here unaddressed? Ann's comment that even simple things d

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

I find it interesting that he seems to establish the applicability of his formalism to physical systems with the casual word "realize" as in "Any two natural systems that realize this formalism ." as if no demonstration was required.There seems to be no instrumentality for such a transference,

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

article and with your analysis. We all (most of us) have sudden insight from time to time. What I want to know is where the really original, genius type insight comes from. What is it that allows Newton or Einstein or Picasso to see something essential that no one has seen or understood before?

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

that with the glaring contradictions of the world around us. Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Henshaw Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:24 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativ

Re: [FRIAM] What is mathematics? Really?

Yea, math is for people who are bad at gambling, but who also prefer not to 'cheat' by watching to see what's happening directly. It's a guesser's tool, and in a few kinds of situations you don't need to guess. You can "sneak a peak" and directly see.Like when all the resources for an

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

The study of individual events is of the accumulative creative processes of development. I'm not sure what makes us think creativity happens in a 'flash' without preceding and following long chains of accumulative development, but it's an illusion that it happens bye itself.Maybe the appear

Re: [FRIAM] no coincidence...

ot;Hail Mary" strategies. Plus, I'm not > sure > what terms like good and bad have to do with a description of a > physical > phenomena. > > Finally, equations and static logic only work for equilibrium systems, > unless you utilize functors as functions of functions. So try

Re: [FRIAM] no coincidence...

vantage of > resource > depletion, if it exists, may not survive the avalanche - then again, it > may. > The difficulty you speak of is entropy building in the system - missing > information between real value and monetary gain. > > > Ken > > > -Original

[FRIAM] no coincidence...

ver bigger disappointments till we stop, one way or another. Phil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Phil Henshaw > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:17 PM > To: FRIAM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music - missed opportun

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music - missed opportunity

olding ourselves apart from nature, > We are surprised when nature pays our work no mind. > Were our methods unsound? > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > I think what may be holding back the math is our failure to go to the > next > > level and consider change as a physical process.

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music - missed opportunity

I think what may be holding back the math is our failure to go to the next level and consider change as a physical process. When you do that you find what nature actually does much more interesting and inspiring than anything we can invent. Using a physical systems model the process now bringin

Re: [FRIAM] "The entire "global" universe is about 10E100 times as large as the universe we can see." [ 10E33 larger radius ]: Rich Murray 2008.06.12

That's sort of like how the environmental impact of each dollar we spend is similarly almost infinite in relation to what we see... The invisibility, or 'unaccountability' problem requires developing confidence with interpolating projected processes and limited local observability. My latest com

[FRIAM] stock analysis... now at a bargain rates

switch point, where that "stock analysis" of pumping things up meets diminishing returns or complications of some sort, and needs to be remade into something else, seems worth looking into. Wouldn't you agree? Phil Henshaw > > Rich, > > This mailing list is pro

Re: [FRIAM] FYI -- New book on Emergence, Complexity, and Self-Organization

E:CO does a great job of keeping the historical papers in circulation and maintaining a good flow of creative papers that apply to management in some way.I’m not sure if the two major strains will converge or diverge though. That keeps happening with all the strains of systems theory,over and

Re: [FRIAM] Innovation | Home invention | Economist.com

: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > Group' > Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Innovation | Home invention | Economist.com > > Phil, > > Can I quote you? > > Ken > > > -Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >

Re: [FRIAM] Innovation | Home invention | Economist.com

...yea, but the best and most useful part of the invention of electricity, ... was the switch! Phil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Owen Densmore > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:09 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

Re: [FRIAM] Harold B. Salomon, American-Haitian Association for Medical Economical & Educational Support (AHAMES): Rich Murray 2008.05.13

Don, The desire to help is what makes us people. So much aid for getting people over short term crises leads to destabilizing their communities, though. I wonder, how do you know what aid is really going to be coordinated to avoid the worst of the common mistakes of upsetting natural balances far

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

id you look a bit at either of my new short papers on how to use our more visible fixations (blinders) to help us see where the others are, and help reveal the amazing world that's been hidden from us by them? Less formal http://www.synapse9.com/drafts/Hidden-Life.pdf More theory http:

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

Glen, ... > You're right that agility helps one avoid an avoidable change ... e.g. > like a big fish snapping at a small fish. And you're right that such > avoidable changes are only avoidable if one can sense the change > coming. > > But, what if the change is totally unavoidable? I.e. it's go

Re: [FRIAM] On Rosen, On Donder, On Blitzen

Re: recap on Rosen (glen e. p. ropella) > >5. Re: recap on Rosen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >6. Re: recap on Rosen (Marcus G. Daniels) > > 7. Re: recap on Rosen (glen e. p. ropell

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

Glen, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's closer I think. There's little point to agility for a little > > fish after it has been swallowed. All that helps then is making > > excuses... briefly. Agility only helps if you sense the > > 'disturbance' and avoid the attack entirely. Derivatives

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:37 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen > > phil henshaw wro

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

2008 3:08 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen > > phil henshaw wrote: > > No, that does not work at all. Patching together a model to suite a > symptom > > in retrospect does not help you with being ready f

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen

world where lots of things behave in altogether new ways unexpectedly. Phil Henshaw        .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040  tel: 212-795-4844  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: www.synapse9.com   “i

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

No, that does not work at all. Patching together a model to suite a symptom in retrospect does not help you with being ready for unexpected eventfulness in nature that you previously had no idea that you should be looking for. Phil Henshaw

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

t they fail to describe rather than the usual method of using them to represent other things. Phil Henshaw        .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040  tel: 212-795-4844  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: w

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

> > Only simple machines. More complex machines (eg the Intel Pentium > processor) show definite signs of evolutionary accretion, as no one > person can design such a complex thing from scratch, but rather > previous designs are used and optimised. [ph] Right! Layered design is sort of a univers

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

How does that > > phil henshaw wrote: > > Self-consistent models represent environments very well, just > omitting their > > living parts, "mind without matter". > > > > Would any of the things you guys suggested fix that? > > I believe so. At l

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

n we run into them, importantly because we have a habit of using models that conceal the presence of the things that'll get in our way. Self-consistent models represent environments very well, just omitting their living parts, "mind without matter"

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

of natural system interactions would still need to include the design of their information structures, though, so a self-consistent model would then have the task of representing differently consistent things at the same time, and be unable to do it. Right ? Ph

[FRIAM] recap on Rosen

tical tools necessarily operate then shows that the problem isn’t just that how math is built it can't successfully emulate nature. Maybe it also shows that the way nature is built it can't successfully emulate math. If na

Re: [FRIAM] PS Civilizations

That 'decision' was actually a long term widespread and well organized research and advocacy movement.The idea of setting aside ever growing amounts of land to produce 'alternative fuels' came from the 'counter culture' of the 60's.The answer would have been, and still could be, *very* diff

Re: [FRIAM] Civilizations, Complexity and Compassion

Former energy secretary James R. Schlesinger quoted Arnold Toynbee recently with the best general statement I've run across. That civilizations collapse when they run into problems they can't solve.

Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking

Markus, One way would be to program them to recognize the environmental lines of conflict with other independent agents (like when diminishing returns indicate a shared resource is becoming contested perhaps), as some form of primitive consciousness of the things existing outside their self-awarene

Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking

riday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > > What if in ABM's the agents didn't all follow the same rules, but > made > > up their own. Would it still work? > >

Re: [FRIAM] Civilizations and complexity

Jack's summary of the dilemma is interesting in that it does not identify which assumptions of the model are responsible. If there were a Hari Seldon around, or a bio-mimic of some kind, someone capable of reading those assumptions of the model that seal our fate unless they are considered as

Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking

What if in ABM's the agents didn't all follow the same rules, but made up their own. Would it still work? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

Re: [FRIAM] Exemplars of Complexity [WAS:"quiintessence...thinking"]

It takes a process to change a process, that's why the development of complexity is continuous and you can mark the succession of it's changes in direction. .·´ ¯ `·. Phil FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Frida

Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking

Well, it would be hard for me to draw the picture of what the local Santa Fe FRIAM community 'does', but it's often that a complex system retains it's original concept and develops from that idea by addition and adjustment as it grew. It may have reached a stable form or have a stability only o

Re: [FRIAM] Peloton analog of resource sharing system. Was: can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

Hugh, > > (Phil henshaw) "What kind of information might indicate the approach of > common resource limits? How would that be different from evidence that > other > users are breaking their agreements? As independent users of natural > resources tend to have less informa

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

lexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss? > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:55:01AM -0400, Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > > The canonical example is of a resource that begins with having no > limit for > > a small community of us

[FRIAM] and example fyi - the environ conflict flash point story of Darfur

>From the State of the Planet meetings at Columbia Earth Institute http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/ei/sop08/0327pm/morton.ram Andrew Morton - UNEP http://www.earth.columbia.edu/sop2008/?id=speakers Phil FRIAM A

Re: [FRIAM] Reciprocal Altruism - was: can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

Steve, Yes, and to keep brief, I think there are so very many clear examples of our being clueless about the nature of the 'game' and 'commons' we are sharing that the earlier game theory and tragedy of the commons studies were clearly missing something. It think what they were missing is the arts

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

Marcus, [ph] > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > I'm trying to compare the use central managed > > solutions and user negotiated solutions in this fairly simple problem > to > > develop a way of discussing the more complicated situations where > efficient > > an

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

r, or small groups form which cooperate internally, but each of which are also in direct conflict as chasing groups want to reintegrate groups ahead, while groups ahead want to stay ahead of those behind. Does this sound a bit like the kind of resource sharing states you were talking about? Hugh

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

lf. Bees might skip flowers that have been recently visited, for example. Phil > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > The network manager might be really 'out to lunch' some times though, > and > > the users needed to share the resource without that global view and >

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

Marcus, I think the boundary conditions of the problem include both the variable of system design and control, and that of the independent behaviors of the users. The question is what each of those contributes. With computer networks you can't do without both, of course, but you can consider what

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

ou cross where independent users exhaust their ability to use a limited resource cooperatively, that triggers either central control or conflict. Anything come to mind? Phil > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > So a bus, in functional terms, is a 'resource' that never runs into &g

Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

2008 1:01 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Cc: 'Diegert, Carl F' > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss? > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > The question is about when there are lots of uncontested resources at > first

[FRIAM] can you have 4 operating systems on one buss?

after exhausting the free resources available to both? It seems that being forced to negotiate with each other over contested ones might do that. Is there a computation analog? Phil Henshaw

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