Re: Anti Trust Hackin' back . Psystar answers and stands firm.
On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:26 AM -0700 8/28/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote:
WOW. Pystar must have hired SCO's legal team. That's 'epic fail'
territory.
I donno. I think it has a shot.
*Someone* *somewhere* needs to challenge the crap companies load in
these EULAs... This whole it's legal until it's not BS is stifling
us. Maybe they won't win this time. But maybe, just maybe, they'll
set the ground work for a win next time.
Yes, but applying completely inappropriate sections of the law will
not do it.
Apple is free to put any damn thing in their EULA that they want, if
you accept it, that's the contract.
If you don't like it, don't buy or use OS X.
Pystar's business is equivalent to a company buying Hyundais, slapping
a big Mercedes hood ornament on it, selling them as Mercedes, then
crying 'restraint of trade' when Mercedes sues their butts.
(See! I worked the mercedes ref in there, that outta keep Wallace
happy...)
There is a legal question here as to the separation of hardware and
software.
No there really isn't.
The legal question YOU'RE talking about regarding Apple's EULA is the
old one about whether you're buying or licensing software, and despite
what Pystar is claiming, is not the issue at hand.
If Apple was saying that you couldn't install someone ELSE'S software
on them, THEN we're into restraint-of-trade issues.
If Apple was suing an end customer, that WOULD bring up the EULA
question (Notice the two words at the very beginning of the acronym,
EU...End User. Pystar is NOT the End User...they can't argue in court
ANYTHING about the EULA...BECAUSE IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.)
Pystar is acting as a distributor of Apple clones without a license to
do so, and THAT is a entirely different kettle of fish, legally.
Their antitrust claims and countersuit are just so much legal
smokescreen designed to keep their case alive long enough for their
lawyers to bleed the company dry, and the people running it to make
off with what assets remain.
The more products they sell in the glare of publicity the better...for
them. Not so good for the customers.
If the courts rule that they're separate products,,, the
whole industry will change -- for the better, IMO.
Oh really? based on what? The wishful concept that all of a sudden
Apple will sell a gazillion copies of their software? How?
I've said until I was blue in the face: Apple is a hardware company.
Their competition is not Microsoft. Their competition is Dell, HP and
Acer. If they start selling OS X on computers, that MS vise on their
balls starts tightening.
All MS has to do is announce an increase in in Windows licensing
prices; they're perfectly free to start leaning on companies to not
offer OS X, especially as Apple licensing OS X would take ALL that
monopoly and antitrust crap RIGHT off the table, and like it or not
the corporate world is deeply invested in MS.
Selling OS X for other computers is akin to telling Ford to stop
making cars, and instead make engines for GM.
What's the alternative - do nothing, while we bask in the
marginalization of Macs?
Apple is NOT doing nothing. In fact Apple is doing pretty damned
well following their current business path. What you're really
complaining about is that Apple isn't doing what YOU want.
If Macs are 'too marginalized' for you, you're perfectly free to
install any other OS that'll run on your system.
Moreover you're fee to install any OS you can legally install on any
OTHER hardware. Hell Apple probably doesn't care all that much if you
buy a copy of OS X and install it on some random piece of hardware.
They DO care if you go into business selling their OS installed on
other company's hardware to other people without Apple's permission.
If you went to Ford and started buying cars (or ford engines,
installed them in Hyundais) then set yourself up as a Ford dealer
(unauthorized) they'll sue your ass so fast the head up it will spin.
Apple has a right to determine WHO resells THEIR software
commercially, which is what Pystar is doing.
I'm sorry. It's time for OS X to go mainstream.
No it isn't.
It's time for OS X to run on cheap-ass hardware so I don't have to
spend as much money, waaah!
You want to make this happen? All of you Sell OS X on any computer
folks have to do is to buy enough stock in Apple to force the Board to
do that.
Just bitching that you want cheaper/midrange/blah blah Macs isn't
going to do it...Apple's pretty much selling Macs as fast as they can
make them.
You'll note that Dell's business model ('sell cheap-ass computers
copying other peoples innovations') isn't working nearly as well.
http://tinyurl.com/5gaezf
And if that means
Apple has to have its a** kicked, so be it. Apple can lead the
charge or deal with the hoof prints on its back, as we stampede into
the future.
Yep, dammit, tell that friggin' goose to lay faster
Re: Anti Trust Hackin' back . Psystar answers and stands firm.
On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Dan wrote: Now we just need a ruling that says software is a product just like hardware, *in this context*. And we need magical flying unicorn ponies too. No way in hell will this case produce such a ruling unless the judge goes unfathomably beyond his/her authority. To wit: Pystar and you are bitching about something in a contractual agreement that DOES NOT apply to Pystar...they are not the end user. Pystar has ZERO legal grounds to bring the EULA into the case at all. The EULA can only be brought if Apple sues an END USER over this issue, and Pystar is transparently and obviously acting as a reseller, not an end-user. The rules are different for VARS and resellers than they are for the end customers. Fundamentally Pystar is trying to have it both ways, and judges REALLY frown on lawyers trying to argue like that. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti Trust Hackin' back . Psystar answers and stands firm.
On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: As if being a CEO or CFO was the measure of a man or his right to bear and express an opinion. Who is telling you you can't have an opinion? No one. I wonder how the founding fathers of the USA felt about that. Care to exchange quotes from them? The sure sign of a scoundrel: when he can't marshal the facts, he wraps himself in the flag. The essence of your argument is Waaah I'm a whiny privilege baby and I demand a cheep mac now!! Wh!. The essence of MY argument is Apple doesn't have to do what you want. YOU may think that Apple selling their OS to any and all comers and opening it up to cloning will be the bees knees and turn Apple into an industry-straddling giant. I think that that's a poor strategy for Apple to pursue, because it guts their main business which is not selling OS X, but selling Macs. I think that neither of our opinions matter worth a damn in this case because neither of us are running Apple. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G-3 BW faster
On Sep 1, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Tony Gamble wrote: Yes, contrary to popular belief, I've found a defrag to be very effective after working with gigantic files for a couple of months. Actually popular belief is that defragging is some sort of magical wand to fix slowness in all situations. Yours is actually one of the few situations where defragging a drive is beneficial: any time you have a constant churn of files on a hard drive that mostly full all the time. Which is why the people doing such projects here usually rely on large scratch drives they can reformat between projects. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copy a commercial CD
On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought the Academic version of Office 2008. You are allowed to use it on 3 computers. Really? I thought you could install it three times but only have it installed on one computer at any given time. Nope, it's sort of a 'family license' -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PCI IDE Card Question
On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: Folks, while we're discussing the disk drive topic, I have a question about PCI IDE controllers. Does one need a special model with Mac firmware, or will any PCI iDE card suffice? No, you need one with Mac firmware. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Mail problems - app quits or freezes
On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dan wrote: It seems like problems with Apple Mail continue... everything from it suddenly quitting to freezing up while displaying certain messages. You re-launch and Mail goes right back to the same freezing or quitting! Mail is one of the most stable apps on my mac. (and numerous others here in the College) It's on all the time (current uptime is 20 days) and I never have problems with it. Seriously, never. It's like Terminal, it never crashes... E-mail is THE killer app in the College (we had to unexpectedly shut down our mail server for about 10 minutes the other day, just long enough to plug it into a new UPS, and were inundated with phone calls and door knockings HEY! The E-mail is down!!!) and no one has complained to me about Mail in 10.3, 4 or 5. I've had only one person who routinely had issues with Mail, and that was tracked to a flaky wireless VPN connection...she would have had problems with any mail client. However, we use IMAP exclusively, I wonder if it's something to do with the way Mail manages POP accounts. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Database report writing program
On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Doug Burton wrote: I'm looking for database or spreadsheet software with very good report writing capabilities. I need to be able to print a strip of address labels for my mail case (I'm a rural mail carrier). I presently use a word processor, but making changes is very difficult when I need to insert a new address into the mix. A database program would be ideal if I could use the report writing function to create the labels. I use the 8.5x11 solid white label sheets and then cut the strips and affix them to the case. The post office is supposed to provide labels for our cases, but they can't get them to print the way I need them either! If anyone has a suggestion I'll be happy to hear it. AppleWorks does this, as does MS Office or NeoOffice. All have mailing label templates built in, and you can define custom labels. NeoOffice http://www.neooffice.org is free. OS X only, though -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Solid State Laptop Drives
On Sep 5, 2008, at 5:09 AM, dc wrote: Just for fun I put a SSHD in my PowerBook 5200cs. I used a SanDisk memory card in the lower pc slot, formatted it using Drive Setup, and copied the OS 9.1 system onto it. It boots and runs perfectly, no noise, no heat, low power consumption, only cost $10. Now I'm wondering if one of these would work in a G4's Airport slot? Nope. What WOULD work is a CF to 2.5 IDE adapter like this http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ad44midecf.asp plugged into the HDD adapter. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Partition Size Limit
On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Dan wrote: Using i when you mean I can be tolerated as computer lingo but using m for M is downright confusing. I'm pretty sure that milli is always 1/1000 and never 1/1024 but whonoze? pffft. Real men use microFortnights. Hey at least that idiotic 'kibi' official nomenclature never really caught on, we were supposed to say kibibits and kibibytes when we meant the binary versions, and kilobits and kilobytes for the decimal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte kibibytes is what my dogs eat, it comes in 40 pound bags :-) But, this has been around a lot longer than computers. You don't REALLY think motorcycle engines come in nice round numbers like 750CC, do you? ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB750 The famous Honda CB750 started life as 736 CC engine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD in BW?
On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:28 PM, PAR wrote: Recently I got a nice BW. I would love to trade out the CDRW drive for a DVDRW drive I have handy, but I have not been able to track down specific instructions on how to remove the current cd drive or install a new DVD drive in its place. OWC http://www.macsales.com has a good video illustrating the procedure, as well as a pdf http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/manuals/cdinstall/Sawtooth72.pdf (This procedure is the same for the BW case which is identical, except for color) And watch your knuckles working in there, especially pulling off the power cable which tends to be very tight. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD in BW?
On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Peter wrote: Some Lite-Ons are good, too, but I usually reserve those for Hackintoshes. why? This is the second time you've said this and it still doesn't make sense. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question
On Sep 7, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I got my hands on two of the following: Palm-Hub 9TP Ports They're old, old D-link hubs. 10-base-t only, and they're hubs so all traffic is seen by all interfaces, but for older Macs they'd work just fine. The only hinky part from looking about it seems like they might have a 10-base-2 uplink port so connecting them to a larger LAN could be problematic. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Good Housekeeping
On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:04 AM, R. A. Cantrell wrote: Listers, There's a thread right now about p-lists, which brings to mind the general state of Mac Os and maintenance I think that the p-list problems are handled by Onyx and MacJanitor No they're not. Onyx and MacJanitor maiinly manage the regular cron jobs and deal with other things like caches. and are analogous to Windows registry problems that are handled by Abexo and so forth. Sort of. .plist files are directly analogous to the old Mac Prefs files. Zapping p-ram on Macs handles a lot of irritating minor problems, particularly with networking. No that shouldn't have anything to do with networking. (what is analogous to zapping P-ram in Windows?) I've read lately that with the advent of Leopard that you no longer need to repair permissions. Is that correct? I've also read that disk defragmenters like Disk Warrior have been rendered unnecessary by Leopard. Disk Warrior is not a defragmenter, it rebuilds directory trees. Is that true. Would some up-to-date lister please post a State of the OS regarding disk and system (including anti-ware) maintenance? Disk Maintenance: Maintain a current backup. Shut down properly when at all possible. Use a good quality UPS on your system. This is not so much for surge protection or as wtom would have us believe lightning protection, but because a good regulated piwer source will prolong the life of any electronic device. OS X has ALWAYS, not just since Leopard, done a considerable degree of defragmentation as a built-in part of the OS. The ONLY time an actual defragmentation program would do you any good is when you're working with volumes that have large files that turn over a lot, that is mostly full all the time, such as volumes with big video or audio projects on them, or lots of RAW photo processing. If you do this, it's more cost effective to use a separate drive for your media and work files, back 'em up regularly, then erase and restore the data. This does TWO very important things: Defragments your work volume, and tests your backups. That's it. Contrary to popular belief, the file system in OS X is quite robust, and does not need 'routine maintenance'. Disk Warrior is a emergency tool, not a preventative one. System Maintenance: Let the system run overnight on a regular basis, or use Onyx, MacJanitor the like to do the routine Unix administrivia tasks OS X has built in. That's it. Contrary to popular belief OS X is a robust operating system quite capable of running for weeks or months without issues. My current uptime is 27 days, on a system that's banged on pretty heavily. If you're having problems, especially in 109.4 or 10.5 try rebooting in safe mode...this gets rid of a lot of often problematic cache files. Anti-ware: I'm anti. Contrary to popular opinion, OS X is NOT subject to viruses or spyware, and it is virtually impossible to 'accidentally infect' some poor friend running Windows. It would require a deliberate act. To those folks who insist Just wait, your time is coming!!! I say, one, if OSX was infected according to it's market share there should be thousands of viruses out there for it, and two, it is the fundamental design of OS X that helps prevent malware from spreading. In Windows (until Vista, that is) if you're an Administrator, any process you own can do anything it wants to the system. In OS X, if your an Administrator, any process you own can ASK for permission to do something to your system. While it's entirely possible to construct malware that'll run quite happily on OS X, the crucial part...getting it to run without asking you for permission...has so far proven impossible to achieve. OSX IS vulnerable to cross-platform malware...I myself got caught by that damned flash crap that took over the clipboard that was going round last month. http://tinyurl.com/5jdc88 That said, no antivirus WE tested caught it, nor did any anti-spyware software catch it. Unlike Windows, however, that was the end of what can be done, again, because unlike Windows, a process must ask permission to do anything involving system issues. If you absolutely positively have to install antivirus on your Mac (99.999% of the time it's due to Windoid System Admins who insist that 'every computer must have antivirus' because they boughtinto the hype) don't give your hard earned money to any huckster selling Mac AV software, use ClamXAV http://www.clamxav.com/. If you run WIndows on your Mac, via Bootcamp, a VM solution like Fusion, VMBox or Parallels, you definitely want to get AV and antispyware software for them. Again, don't give any huckster your hard earned dollars, use ClamAV and Spybot SearchDestroy. (I actually do recommend you give the Spybot folks some of your hard-earned dollars, they have earned it...) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona
Re: Migrating from Tiger to Leopard on G5.
On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Brian Durant wrote: I have a G5 single that I would like to upgrade from Tiger to Leopard. My G5 has two internal 500 GB hard discs. I would like to clone my Tiger system to the second drive with SuperDuper!, erase the main drive and do a clean install of Leopard and then migrate the apps that I use, the pref files and the documents, e-mail, registration/license files, etc. to Leopard. Are there any tools that do this or do I have to do this manually? Do an ArchiveInstall upgrade instead. After you choose the volume to upgrade, click on Options and choose Archive and Install. You can do it the way you want using the Migration Assistant, but that's a lot of unnecessary work. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Tiger to Leopard on G5.
On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Brian Durant wrote: Hi Bruce, An Archive and Install upgrade doesn't sound like it results in a clean install or am I missing something? An Archive and Install is essentially a clean System installation that migrates your user into the new system. You will have to re-install any third party drivers, pref-panes and such, but all your applications, prefs, documents, etc are preserved. You end up with a 'Previous Systems' folder with the old system folder if you absolutely positively have to recover something (which I've had to do ONCE in managing a number of OS X systems since 10.2 came out, and that was an X11-based DNA sequencing application). No quirks go along, unless they're residing in your user's stuff...which would be transferred anyway, using the method you want to do. In fact this will isolate whether your quirks are system or user-basedif they show up again, the cause resides somewhere in your user directory. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 single suddenly starts rejecting DVD's.
On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:38 AM, insightinmind wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Brian Durant wrote: Hi again Bruce, Just came back from getting a lens cleaner (CD with brushes). I ran it according to instructions, but it didn't help. Sigh. I have also googled this issue and there were some posts stating that it could be a clock battery? Are there other symptoms I would see if it were the battery? Many Macs won't keep time or dates well without a good battery ... No macs will keep time or dates well without a good battery, but this shouldn't affect booting from DVD. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 single suddenly starts rejecting DVD's.
On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Brian Durant wrote: Does any DVD drive work these days or are there only certain drives that are supported? OWC sells a bare 20x Pioneer DL DVD R/RW for $31 http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/optical-drives/superdrives/powermac/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 single suddenly starts rejecting DVD's.
On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Clark Martin wrote: No macs will keep time or dates well without a good battery, but this shouldn't affect booting from DVD. But if it's set to set the clock from a network site automatically you might not notice that the date and time are off. I repeat, this won't affect booting. Old-World Macs, such as the beige G3's will have issues booting with a low PRAM battery; they will however boot if you remove it entirely. This does NOT apply to the G5's. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard On SD Card
On Sep 18, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have an odd question. I was looking around at 8GB flash drives or tiny portable hard drives, when I saw 8GB SD cards. I want to restore my Leopard DVD onto an 8GB external drive and wondered if it could be done on an 8GB SD card plugged into a USB card reader. Then I want to use the 8GB drive (be it SD, flash or mini hard drive) to boot from an use as an install disc. I know this would only work on Intel machines. Any ideas? You'll have to format it as Mac OS X extended, and then use something like Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the installer DVD to the card. It MIGHT work. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Macs...what software should I have?
On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:30 PM, LinuxMercedes wrote: Hi, I'm new to macs (Ok, correction, I am new to OSX-running macs =]) and I just bought a MacBook. What apps/utilites/etc. are good for me to install? I'm just trying to track down important things to have that don't come with the 'book. What do you do with your computer? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Macs...what software should I have?
On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:02 AM, LinuxMercedes wrote: Hi, First of all, thank you to everyone who replied! Second--more detail. I'm a student, so anything helpful with making my work easier is good =]. What kind of student :-) I can point you to pile of of cool OSS biology/genetics/bioinformatics tools... I'll also be programming C++, Java, Ruby, Perl, etc. on this machine. And I'm interested in any software related to audio editing as well. Go sign up at Apple's Developer site (free) and install the Developer Tools. This gives you a whole pile of development stuff. Let me ask another question: what is the best free/opensource programmer's editor for Mac? I've used Scite on my Windows and Linux boxen, but haven't seen a download for OSX... There's a bunch of 'em, but my favorite is TextWrangler from BBEdit.com. It's fee, not OSS, but it's a great tool. I use it daily, it comes with context coloring for all the languages I work with (Perl, HTML, SQL, etc) and has a lot of useful expandability. If you do any sort of SQL stuff, go get DBVisualizer http://minq.se there's a free personal version, which is a really solid multi- database tool. It lets me do all my dev work, regardless of DBMS, in one tool. Audio editing, get Audacity, and don't overlook Garage Band, which came with your system. Check out Macports http://www.macports.org/ to move tons of stuff over from Linux to the Mac. Check out your favorite Linux OSS projects, many have OS X ports already. Just about anything done with the QT libs is available for OS X, too. If you absolutely, positively have to run a Windows or Linux VM on your system, go here http://www.virtualbox.org/ It's seen enormous improvement since Sun took it over. Welcome to the Mac. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Terry Hirsch wrote: Their URL is: http://cheapestsoftwareanywhere.com. They say they purchase the unused software keys from volume buyers...an interesting approach. Also not legal. This is pirated software...an appropriate topic for today, matey! A! I'd be interested in hearing what group listers have to say. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cheapest AppleCare similar to cheapest software question
On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Marty Levine wrote: However, are they any reputable low cost Applecare suppliers? I have seen some at LA computer. ( http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitemtype=skusku=10126 ) LA Computer is a reputable dealer, at least I've dealt with them on several occasions with no issues. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Backup Failed ...
On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, billycarmacs wrote: QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. Time Machine appeared to have stopped when doing a manually requested backup today. External OWC Firewire drive that has been working for a good while since I added Leopard. Appears to still be working fine ... new Seagate 750GB. Stopped or reported an error? I get the occasional Time Machine has failed to finsh a backup errors. First one in 10.5.5 ... Any way to recover ... my whole system began to freeze as I tried to move around Dock Mail just bounced up once and froze ... others froze too ... Recovery? Delete last backup? I suspect this doesn't have anything to do with Time Machine. Need to start backups all over again? Oh, no. Time machine is pretty robust. I expect that if you powercycle your system everything will work ok. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Reference this Bruce, I have a couple of these USB/IDE cables and I've yet to get one working on a Mac, or even my Hackintosh for that matter. Haven't tried them with Windows yet. That's weird, I use the one we have all the time...it's an invaluable tool in our office. Coupled with the oprn source NTFS drivers I've been able to rescue data from NTFS drives Windows couldn't mount. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where is External Disk?
On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: I have my backup disk on all the time so it works with my time machine. I happened to look in the corner of the screen where the icon is supposed to be and it isn't there. I checked and the disk is still on and is warm. I tried urning it off and on, but that didn't do anything. I went to the disk utility and the disk shows up in the list but I can't mount it. What do I do next? Yikes, if it's unmountable, it's not in good shape. reboot your Mac with the backup off, and turn the drive on, see if Disk Utility can repair it. If not, start shopping for a new external drive. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
John Gruber gets it....
http://daringfireball.net/2008/09/digging_deeper But the concept reflects the actual business that Apple is in. Apple does not sell operating systems. They sell computers. Microsoft does not sell computers; they sell operating systems. (Apple’s boxed $129 versions of Mac OS X are just upgrades; they only work on computers that Apple has already sold.) Apple and Microsoft are undeniably engaged in one of the longest running and most interesting rivalries in business history, but it is very odd in that it is an orthogonal rivalry. Apple’s direct competition isn’t Microsoft but instead PC makers who sell computers running Windows. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige G3 hd formating
On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Stro wrote: Okay, an update. I unplugged the hd, plugged it back in and zapped the pram. It started up and let me know the battery was dead (The date was reset). I now wonder if my problem could be a bad battery. Yes. dead PRAM batteries cause all sorts of havok with beiges. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I was just given a G4 733 tower
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, where does the DVR-112D stand in this regard for a MDD DP 1.25? . Any drive that works will work in the MDD. There is no model-based differentiation of these drives. ALL of them process data slower than the bus of even the slowest G4, so it doesn't matter. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Whenever I try to copy stuff from my Smurf to another HD on my network it says it cannot do it and gives an error code of -50 What does this mean and how do I correct it? How are you copying it? What OS is the 'other HD' on your network running? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac Radeon 9200 PCI NTSC
On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Peter Mc Court wrote: Many thanks Eric, Bruce and Duglia for your informative replies, and yes, Duglia, there is indeed an NTSC/PAL jumper on the PCB - Cheers - Peter Don't know if you got the card or the whole package with the manual, be aware that you can't use that one to drive all three video ports...you can choose any two of VGA/DVI, VGA/TV or DVI/TV. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying Files
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: 10.2.8 Its running as I can see it Drag the file onto the icon for the other HD Ugh, that sux. I've only ever run into that error with samba shares, and it's because the share was messed up. FWIW it's a no brainer to try the fixgo to the 10.2 machine, stop the file sharing, restart the computer and re-share the drive. ON the other one, restart the computer and re-attach the shared Mac volume. This is what works with flaky samba shares, particularly on older macs. I've no clue whether this will work for afp shares, though. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem since Security Update 2008-0006PPC
On Sep 27, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Charles Davis wrote: Yesterday, I did a clean install of 10.4.? onto a spare partition, upgraded to 10.4.11, used Migration Assistant to move user files accounts to the 'NEW' system, ran updates to get current. Problem still there. That isolates the problem to your user stuff. Look in your startup items. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem since Security Update 2008-0006PPC
On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \ That isolates the problem to your user stuff. Look in your startup items. How so? Charles said he reinstalled everything. I take that to mean he also re-ran Security Update 2008-0006PPC. Maybe he should have tried 0005 first. , used Migration Assistant to move user files and accounts to the 'NEW' system, If everything else is new, and this is the only thing that hasn't changed, then the problem resides there, Dr. Watson. :-) Charles, try starting in Safe Mode, see if the problem resurfaces there. If it's not a startup item, then some prefs that are running are causeing the problem. If you want to test it, do a complete re-install again, without transferring the user info, and see if the problem resurfaces. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Doug Burton wrote: I'm happy to report that the Geeks USB/ATA cable was successfully used to repair the original 40 Gb drive from the server. I put an extra HD tray I had laying around in a spare 5.25 external case I bought some time ago from Surplus Computer. The case has it's own PS and I used that plus the Geeks USB cable to connect to the USB port of my MDD. That means it's the power brick from the USB cable kit that's bad. Geeks does have a good return policy, you should be able to swap it out. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400
On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Gus wrote: To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled. where can you buy a video card for an old beige G3? Look for a PCI ATI Radeon, they'll work. I used a Radeon 7200 in mine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On Oct 2, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:04 PM -0400 10/1/2008, Steve R wrote: http://tinyurl.com/protoxic ROTTEN SMELL RAISES APPLE TOXIN FEARS yum. benzene! This adds a whole new level to the 'ole phrase pry it from my cold dead hands. Note: a single anonymous person who submitted his MacBook for testing, and no test results in the original article, although you HAVE to love the Googlefishing of the first sentence: Some models of Apple computers emit toxic fumes and the giant apple does pipe word. I'd wait until we had a larger sample size before declaring all our macs a Superfund site...mail 'em to me...I'll take care of remediation! :- I'm an ex lab rat, and I know very well what benzene smells like, and that 'new mac smell' isn't benzene, and none of the folks with new Macbooks or MacBook pros have mentioned any smell. In fact electronics manufacturers have largely moved beyond solvent- based cleaning to water-based cleaning methods during manufacture, because it eliminated the use of toxic chemicals like TCE, benzene and carbon tetrachloride. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying wait for more evidence. It could be a bad batch of Macs, like the yellowing case plastics on some early MacBooks. What I'm more worried about are the reports of sweaty stinky MacBooks. I can't wait until the one my Mom bought (on my recommendation :-) starts smelling like old gym socks. Sorry mom, it's not me...it's the computer... OT: Could be worse. I had a friend who worked as a research chemist for General Foods way back in the day. He was working on flavorants for dog foods, and came up with a compound everyone called Sweaty Chicken. I worked there briefly, years after he had left, and mentioned his name. No one remembered him. Then I mentioned 'Sweaty Chicken' OH!!! Sweaty Chicken Guy! That lab smelled like that for years! -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Steve R wrote: Gawdferbid we should accept anecdotal findings as being anything that makes Apple less god-like ;-) The plural of anecdote is not data. I have no doubt that some electronic devices smell really bad when they're first turned on and warm up; I've had a few myself. My issue is with the 'OMYGODOHONESI'MGOINGTODIEEE11!!' sensationalism of the reporting. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iDVD not loading
On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Icha wrote: Hi My iDVD 7 has refused to work ever since I tried to reinstall iMovie 6. I upgraded my Ali iMac to Leopard when it first came out and to my horror, iMovie HD 6 had been phased out. I had no intention of using iMovie 8 which is a different product, so I reinstalled 6 since I had the commercial package. Since then iDVD 7 has refused to work, which didn't bother me at the time as I didn't use it anyway. However, now that I'm doing a lot of burning and authoring, I could do with it. Have you tried re-installing iDVD again? Perhaps the iMovie6 re- install screwed it up. iLife '08 comes with a coupon, password, something, that'll let you download a version of iMovie 6 that works with it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Gmail Question
On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I assume this is right) He was talking about the Mail application in OS X which you do not have to pay to use (at least beyond buying OS X in the first place), not the .Mac mail -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Gmail Question
On Oct 7, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Using such a client to talk to GMail works VERY well. Google supports both POP3 and IMAP. FWIW, I prefer POP3. I know Bruce likes IMAP. - Every time I fire up Mail it goes to .Mac Huh? You get an option during the initial setup to set up a 60-day trial of .Mac, maybe it got set up then. Go into the prefs, click on Accounts and delete the .Mac account. Then add any one you want. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SD Card reader for External SCSI
On Oct 8, 2008, at 4:00 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: On 08/10/08 12:51 AM, Mullin9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Beigh G3, 266 mini tower and a SD Card based Digital Camera. Do you have a SD Card reader that attaches to a 25 Pin DB25 External SCSI. it's like the USB SD Card reader, but with 25 pins for DB25 External SCSI. sincerely yours You might be better off getting a PCI USB card and an inexpensive USB card reader. I bought my USB card reader for a mere $12 and it reads 7 different kinds of cards. What Arnel said. You could probably buy a newer Mac with USB for what it would cost for a SCSI SD reader, if one even exists. Any OHCI USB card will work, under OS 8.6 and better. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: External drive won't mount on 10.2.8 after mounting on 10.5 system
On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:55 AM, Steve R wrote: At 3:14 AM -0500 10/9/08, Kris Tilford posted: On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:07 AM, Ted Treen wrote: For what it's worth, the error that verify on 10.2 shows is Invalid Leaf record count (it should be 1 instead of 0) Why are you using verify rather than repair? You should repair the file system, and then it should mount normally. So are we to not use an external hard drive with any other OS than Leopard once it's been used with Leopard since using an external with Leopard is messing with the drive been used with other OSes? No. no one said that. He recommended using the Leopard Disk Repair because it's been improved since 10.2. This is a coincidental directory issue, has nothing to do with the OS version at all. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PC RAM?
On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and it's price hits the roof. In looking for 256MB and 512MB sticks of PC100/133 desktop RAM, will PC RAM work as it is dirt cheap? Is there anything to look for. There has been no difference between 'PC RAM' and 'Mac RAM' since the advent of the Beige G3 systems. They have all used standard RAM of one variety or another. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I still have a grainy picture on my TFT. It is hooked to a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I bought a new high quality, shielded, ferrite core cable as I read that naff cables can cause problems, but this hasn't resolved it. The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated, small text is hard to read especially compared to the mega crispness of my iMac G3 screen. The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated DING DING DING. We have a winnah! Go into the monitors control pane and check the text smoothing setting. It's probably set for something other than what you want. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce. I'm no Mac newbie, I had thought of that. It also makes no difference. The whole picture is fuzzy but it is most noticeable on text. Crap, another wonderful theory killed by those damn facts. :-) Have you tried different refresh frequencies? Messed with any monitor settings on the monitor itself? Have you tested another monitor on that computer? (I'm sort of lost on the whole sequence so far, I remember the monitor is fine on another computer...it's remotely possible there's an issue with your video card) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still Fuzzy TFT
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce The monitor is a cheap TFT given to me by a friend who used it on a G4 Cube and a PC and he didn't notice bad picturing. Might he have lower standards or (more likely) simply been used to it? I remember when I finally replaced my old 17 monitor with a new one how incredibly fuzzy and dim it was, though I'd have said it was just fine the day before... I haven't tried it on another Mac myself, but I do have an iMac G3 which I am going to hook it up to just to check if the picture is better on there. If it is, then the video card in my PowerMac is the problem. One thing I did notice is, my PowerMac G4 is a Sawtooth with AGP graphics but it has a PCI ATI Rage 128 installed (which looks like it is from a BW G3 or Yikes G4). That shouldn't make it fuzzy, merely less than optimal video performance. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Warrior-How?
On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Michael Kopp wrote: Hey, fellas and girls, not nice to give people serial numbers for pirated software on a supposedly respectable mailing list. Which is against list rules, as all parties to this convo should well have known. However, it's entirely possible it was an unintentionally broadcast personal reply. Don't know where your listmoms are, or what rulz you have, but tsk, tsk. Also, I can't believe a Macintosh list is all top-posted! Yeesh. Sigh. It was a long, hard, and bloody battle, and unfortunately, the barbarians seem to have won. Half the list is a well-nigh unreadable mass of top posted ignorance anymore. Me, I blame AOL for letting their unwashed hordes onto the net in 1993 for this. http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.10, XI or What?
On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'. Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to something new altogether? That's at least 6 years in the future (basing it on 18 months per iteration), so who knows what'll happen. I expect, however that since the X has only ever been tenuously related as a number (otherwise the name of the operating system would be 'oh ess ten ten point five', not 'oh ess eks ten point five' which is what everyone calls it.) It was a way of marking the big difference between the old Prominent use of numerals (OS 9), a subtle hearkening back to NeXT, plus back in that 2000-2001 time-frame adding an 'X' to brand names was a fairly widespread practice, all science-fictiony, futuristic and oh-so-twenty- first century, at least until the 21st century started turning into a depressing shitpile just like the 20th, a mere nine months into the new century. Long story short, it'll be OS X 10.10, or quite possibly OS X 11.something by then, if it isn't, as you suggest, been turned into something else entirely. I doubt it, though, OS X seems to be a pretty durable branding. It rolls trippingly off the tongue, short, snappy, easy to remember. Of course nobody knows, I doubt even Apple have given it much thought, I can guarantee you that someone at Apple HAS given this thought. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Bruce So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary and the optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. Yes. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire case? It depends. Internal it's always there, and is probably faster throughput. Cheaper to install, too. External, you can always move it to another computer. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mirroring... Why?
On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Simon Royal wrote: What is the point of this? The only thing I can see is if the main display fails. For hooking to a projector, so you can see what your audience is. That's what 90% of people use an external video output for. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: File Managent Woes
On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:54 AM -0700 10/14/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 14, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Dan wrote: Personally, I've never been satisfied with any apps that manage images file for me. So, for me, the answer is... a bit primitive: I use Finder. yeah there's a serious gap between Dan's 'Use the finder' way and the pro image databases that big graphics houses use. I would hope so. Perhaps a magnitude or three in the size of their database... I was less than clear, should have said there's a serious *unfilled* gap between you and the pro databases. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 12:46 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: It measure 12 h x 19 w and diagonal 23. My wife likes it as it's a big improvement over here iBook screen. But those proportions seem like they are made for HD TV. The images are elongated and I can't figure how to set it for correction. My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot. Anyway, comments on this proportion matter might be enlightening Yes, it's 16x9 panel, not a 3x4 like your Dell. The native resolution is 1680 x 1050 I guess you missed my other post about this. Go here http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html and install that patch, and you should be able to select the correct resolution for the external monitor, as well as use it for an extended desktop, not just a mirrored one. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I convert a Flash (.swf) file to mpg?
On Oct 15, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Brian Christmas wrote: G'day listers I'd very much like to convert captured Jing .swf movies to any format that can be opened by iMovie. Does anyone know how I might be able to do this? QT Pro (possibly with Perian installed) will deal with SWF files, and let you convert them. The others mentioned deal with flash video files (.flv) like those on YouTube. My favorite too for those is cosmopod, a Safari Plugin. Perian also lets you deal with .flv files in QT. Massively useful tool, turns QT pro into a major conversion tool. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a tiny G4 on a PCI card,
On Oct 15, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Mullin9 wrote: Do you have a PCI card, with a G4 Processor, RAM, and PPC soldered to it, I like to put a tiny G4 Mac Logic Board, in my Mac Pro, using a PCI-X slot, and Boot Mac OS 9 natively, basically a PCI card with PPC CPU/ RAM hardware wired to it. No such critter exists, or to my knowledge has ever existed. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I convert a Flash (.swf) file to mpg?
On Oct 15, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Brian Christmas wrote: On 16/10/2008, at 3:00 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 15, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Brian Christmas wrote: G'day listers I'd very much like to convert captured Jing .swf movies to any format that can be opened by iMovie. Does anyone know how I might be able to do this? QT Pro (possibly with Perian installed) will deal with SWF files, and let you convert them. The others mentioned deal with flash video files (.flv) like those on YouTube. My favorite too for those is cosmopod, a Safari Plugin. Perian also lets you deal with .flv files in QT. Massively useful tool, turns QT pro into a major conversion tool. Thanks Bruce, but Quicktime Pro with the latest Perian won't open those darn things either. Very frustrating. They may be weird stuff, can you point to an example of one on the web so I can look at it? I've seen streaming stuff wrapped in a .swf or .flv wrapper that does not allow capture, so there may be nothing to convert. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where did the Speed go -Part two
than, say, Windows where it's an annual tradition of 'nukepave' to clean the pipes out. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Confusion about the different update files from Apple (including Java)
On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I don't think that Apple should abandon Panther users so quickly. While 8.75+ years may be slightly excessive time to support an OS, roughly 3 years is too short I think? Sadly, it's not likely. You remember how big a change 10.1 to 10.2 was, right? They essentially rewrote OS X almost from scratch. 10.3 to 10.4 was a change on that scale, just under the hood where you don't see it. A HUGE number of the underlying OS and GUI libs were rewritten and re- arranged between 10.3 and 10.4. They might as well be two distantly related OSes from a programming point of view. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where did the Speed Go?
On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: I launched Terminal,issued the two commands,copied the results to my monitor screen, ??? but I can't figure out how to attach it to this email. Copy from terminal, paste into email message. Terminal allows full copy/paste -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: RAID 0+1 in a Software RAID Environment
On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Al Poulin wrote: In short, the goal of this setup is to stripe the boot and the home partitions, yet provide a non-striped disk partition to which they mirror for backup. I haven't set up a RAID using Disk Utility for a long time, but IIRC, the RAID setup is done at the device level not the volume level...you can't set up a raid using disk partitions. The Disk Utility help only mentions drives, not volumes. On the other hand the RAID setup says 'drag disks or volumes' to the list. You can't choose delayed mirroring, nor would you want to. NeXTStep and Solaris had that because disks were slow. Unless he has very rigid and high disk access speed requirements mirroring isn't going to slow him down that much. This scheme will be a nightmare, though, see my closing comments. Apple's help mentions a RAID card for the Mac Pro, so yes that is possible. Also, I have NO clue of you can make a RAID volume part of a RAID volume under OS X. I've seen this before (RAID5 mirrored to another RAID5), but only as part of large enterprise level RAID hardware or SAN systems, where the RAID is accomplished through hardware. Fundamentally I think this is a needlessly complex system that will be prone to catastrophic failure. A RAID5 provides the added speed of striping, plus the redundancy of mirroring, more or less, because a RAID5 can lose a disk and still work. (I know, we've swapped in replacement drives on our mail server in the middle of the day...slowed things down a bit, but it kept running.) OS X software RAID does not support RAID5, he'll need to get a RAID controller for that. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where did the Speed Go?
On Oct 17, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: You tell me this works and I believe you, But it doesn't work for me. I can copy from terminal to my screen, What do you mean by this? 'copy to your screen' Do you mean dragging text off to the desktop as a clipping? If so just drag the clipping to your mail. If you're not selecting stuff first, then your paste will remain grayed out, because you haven't selected anything to paste, just like any other program. Terminal is a Mac program just like any other and follows the same rules as any other Mac program. Here is the result of a copy/paste of a command like yours. I just selected the text I wanted, by dragging across it with the mouse button held down, selected Copy, switched to Mail and selected paste: Last login: Sat Oct 18 07:57:38 on console SwampThing-2:~ johnson$ traceroute gmail.com traceroute: Warning: gmail.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.161.83 traceroute to gmail.com (64.233.161.83), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ip70-176-115-64.ph.ph.cox.net (70.176.115.64) 3.427 ms 2.300 ms 2.193 ms 2 10.240.32.1 (10.240.32.1) 20.388 ms 8.606 ms 28.744 ms 3 68.0.128.93 (68.0.128.93) 11.000 ms 9.888 ms 10.482 ms 4 70.169.73.25 (70.169.73.25) 16.301 ms 16.329 ms 14.498 ms 5 paltbbrj01-so000.0.r2.pt.cox.net (68.1.2.157) 34.148 ms 51.564 ms 38.473 ms 6 216.239.49.250 (216.239.49.250) 50.373 ms 42.890 ms 38.749 ms 7 209.85.249.140 (209.85.249.140) 107.789 ms 94.060 ms 105.675 ms 8 66.249.95.148 (66.249.95.148) 92.287 ms 91.292 ms 152.044 ms 9 72.14.236.200 (72.14.236.200) 94.061 ms 64.233.175.171 (64.233.175.171) 90.754 ms 90.882 ms 10 216.239.48.190 (216.239.48.190) 97.489 ms 216.239.49.214 (216.239.49.214) 94.027 ms 97.399 ms 11 od-in-f83.google.com (64.233.161.83) 97.126 ms 93.104 ms 92.153 ms SwampThing-2:~ johnson$ -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where did the Speed Go?
On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:10 AM, Wilton Shaw wrote: bash-3.2$ Traceroute www.Guugle.com Might want to try a real website :-) But yeah, that's exactly what Dan was looking for. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When did this happen?
On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Well mine doesn't. It stays in the dock unless I click on the icon, which opens the queue. Then I close the queue and the dock icon goes away. On my BW running Panther the icon would pop into the dock when I printed something and go away as soon as it was finished printing. I checked everywhere I could think to look and can't find any settings that will cause this to occur in 10.5.5 on my newly upgraded DA. Is this a networked printer or a local one? I find this happens intermittently with the printers I use (although they're all networked. It may be some sort of network mis- communication.) Have you tried dropping and re-adding the printer? Also, on a related tangent, was your DA 'newly-upgraded' to 10.5? Did it keep its printers? Did you use Upgrade or ArchiveInstall? I ask because in all but one of the cases where I've upgraded a system to 10.5 using the AR method, all printers were gone when it came back up, they had to be re-added. I'm now wondering if I didn't accidentally use an 'Upgrade' instead of ArchiveInstall on the one system where the printer didn't go away... -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quick References for Cleaning G4 Acrylic Cases
On Oct 19, 2008, at 8:55 AM, insightinmind wrote: Don't know why they'd want them to smell good (Citrus Power or Orange Scented) ... if you smell them, you're being exposed to ... No the citrus oil is in there as an additional solvent...that it smells nice is merely a by-product. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How do you skin a G4?
On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:25 AM, insightinmind wrote: I need to do a deep cleansing of a Yikes! Get under the acrylic skins and clean them out. Where can I find pictures of the process? I googled and didn't find much. Like this? http://tinyurl.com/5eeu4z I didn't find much either, if anything on disassembly, so I essentially winged it. Follow the advice here: http://tinyurl.com/68rhah The Mac case is a masterpiece of obsessive over-engineering. Screws aren't good enough for Steve Jobs; he needs to have screws, tabs, and flanges, all together wherever possible. One gray side panel, for instance, is attached to the case with four Allen screws but also with plastic tabs that tuck in under the fan. So, you have to remove the fan to get the panel off. While removing the fan, I realized it was screwed into the case like with any normal computer but also tucked in with metal tabs so it snaps into the power supply. The parts DO all come apart without force. Sometimes there's a little woogiying of snap-in tabs to do, but if you find yourself exerting force so the panel is starting to bend, you've missed an attachment somewhere. Look again. I disassembled the entire thing to clean it. (this is where it had been before I got it : http://tinyurl.com/ 55r6hp) When I got it it STILL had a ton of mud in it. Three years later it's still going strong; I'm writing this email using it. (albeit upgraded...I got it sans hdd, since I already had ones to use, and upgraded the CPU to a 1Ghz one from OWC, and, eventually, the video card to an ATI 9000 Pro, but both were functional upgrades, not because the originals died..) -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Open Office 3.0 is out
The first true OO native mac version is out. get it here: http://www.openoffice.org/ For some moronic reason Sun has declined to make an official PPC compile available via the front page, so get that here: http://tinyurl.com/6egbx6 -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.0 is out
On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: The first true OO native mac version is out. Humm. For PPC Macs it says no version 3.0 available, but rather 2.4.1. I imagine PPC is getting the heave ho? I'm using NeoOffice v.2.2.5, so it would appear to still be an update. Look at the second link I put up. Sun has apparently either PPC Macs as one of their main builds, so OO is now a community build item, or simly not gotten around to it yet (note the disclaimer, not all platforms and languages yet) I found that link through the OO porting forums. Of course, you can dl the source to the final one and build it yourselfthe last time I looked into that (admittedly quite a while ago) the compile would have taken about a week on a machine like I had. I assume on the Intel side, OpenOffice will take over from NeoOffice and NeoOffice will wither-on- the-vine and die? Who knows. NeoOffice is promising the 3.0 version soon. I don't know how much the NeoOffice code diverges from the now native OS X OO code. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.0 is out
On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: For some moronic reason Sun has declined to make an official PPC compile available via the front page, so get that here: http://tinyurl.com/6egbx6 The versions on that page are release candidates, of which the latest 3.0.0rc4 has a creation date of Oct.7th. If you use the Parent Directory link to go back one level, there is a version called Dev_OOO300_m10 which is dated Oct.20th, which is today, and two weeks newer than the final release candidate, and newer than the equivalent Intel version, which may mean it's slated to be the final 3.0.0 version for PPC? I found the link via the October Mac-porting list archives on the OO site: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=macmsgNo=7440 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mds mdworker eating up the processor?
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Just curious using an external FW800 drive to boot from, when the system boots, activity monitor say's that mds (root) and mdworker (user) eat up 50-90 percent of my processor? what with that? thanks, Jeff mds and mdworker are the two 'under the hood' parts of Spotlight. When they're doing stuf fit's not unusual fro them to glom on to as much CPU as everything else will let 'em. The key here is as everything else will let them. Those processes will surrender CPU to almost any other process, so you only see the really high CPU load when a) your computer isn't doing anything else and B) they have a lot to index. If they're ramping up all the time, your Spotlight indexes may well be corrupted. here is a good spotlight troubleshooting guide: http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/stopspotlightindex.html When I had this problem the solution was: using the mdutil command to stop indexing on all my volumes : sudo mdutil -i off /path_to_volume Then disabling spotlight: modify /etc/hostconfig to read: SPOTLIGHT=-NO- Then to get rid of the existing index, run these two commands from Terminal: mdutil -i off / mdutil -E / Then rebooting. Find the hidden directories .Spotlight-V100 (if any) at the root of each volume and delete them. Then I rebooted, turned Spotlight back on, re-enabled indexing modify /etc/hostconfig to read: SPOTLIGHT=-YES- mdutil -i ON / and then, crucially, LEFT THE SYSTEM ALONE for the couple hours it took to properly index everything. After that, not a problem from Spotlight. You'll still see those two processes running a lot and glomming ontp CPU, but only whil your computer is unoccupied doing anything else. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard Question: Re-partioning Free Space
On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:27 PM, insightinmind wrote: What I have done is ADD 4 partitions at the end of the 750GB FW hard drive I use under Leopard on my Quicksilver to do my Time Machine backups. That is a mind-bogglingly bad idea. The whole point of Time Machine is to NOT put all your eggs in one basket. Your scheme puts all your eggs in different compartments in that one basket. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB hub form factor
On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Steve R wrote: I've searched for a web image but no such luck. The unit raises my monitor by 3, has 5 3-prong receptacles at the back with corresponding power switches + Master at the front. Wow. I haven't seen one of those in YEARS. Beige, with orange neon glowy power switches? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Psystar Come To A Settlement!
On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement. It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone thought, more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1511231from=rss As a rule, if a legal thread comes up on Slashdot, run away. You will lose 30 IQ points reading the id10t's posting like they actually know their arses from holes in the ground. The case is NOT settled, this is simply a report that the two parties have moved to non-court dispute settlement: ie: hashing it out in the lawyers offices. http://www.macobserver.com/article/2008/10/16.9.shtml READ the filing. There is NO mention WHATSOEVER about the terms of the settlement. Nothing in there says squat about 'slap on the wrist'. It could well be the judge telling them Get this stupid case out of my courtroom NOW! It would be interesting to know what's really going on, because Psystar's anti-trust claims against Apple are laughable on their face. BY DEFINTION an illegal trust MUST involve MORE THAN ONE COMPANY. Apple, despite the fevered dreams of the 'iwaanacheepmac11!!' crowd, a computer company with 10% of the market share, could not POSSIBLY form an 'illegal monopoly', any more than Ford has an 'illegal monopoly' on Mustangs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Psystar Come To A Settlement!
On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:30 PM, PeterH wrote: On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Meanwhile, I have a bunch of MacPro-equivalents which cost me a couple of hundred apiece (not a couple of thousand apiece). Please point out where I can get a dual Xeon quad-core system with 2 gigs of ram, Radeon HD2600 or equivalent video card, 320G SATA drive, FW400, FW800, USB2, two Gigabit ethernet ports and Bluetooth for 'a couple of hundred apiece'. The cheapest I can find JUST the processors is $344 for two 2.4Ghz chips eworldsale.com is ALWAYS out-of-stock on those loss-leader items, so they are hardly the exemplar of cost comparisons. Pullz! And, who, besides Apple, mandates that you HAVE to have an anemic bus speed, such as 1066 MHz, and a doubly anemic processor speed, such as 2.4 GHz? I'm running my production work on 1600 MHz buses and 3.6 GHz processors. I notice you didn't answer my question... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flash in the pan ... aka dealing with Adobe Flash
On Oct 23, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On 10/20/08, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Firefox have the same feature on the Mac that it has in Windows - if you restart it after you killed it, does it let you restore all your connections to websites? There is a Plugin that does this called Session Manager I know Opera will restore your crashed session FF3 does, out of the box. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating From One Mac To Another
On Oct 23, 2008, at 6:42 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I am new to the migrating idea. Recently I migrated from 10.5 from 10.4 with both being on seperate drives. Now I have yet another new Mac coming and I want to install 10.5 on it and migrate my user account, files and settings from 10.4 on my iMac G3. Firstly, how do I hook the two Macs up? Firewire or over network? I've always used FW, with the donor mac in FWTM. This time I want to use the migration assistant when installing so I dont end up with two and at the end of the installing Leopard all my stuff is there as before. That works great, I've done it a dozen times or so, upgrading folks. I always leave the original account since it's our support account. It's always a good idea to have a test account to troubleshoot things. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB 2 USB 1.1 Question
On Oct 23, 2008, at 6:26 AM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. A quick question about mixing USB 2 and 1.1 devices. My new eMac has 3x USB 2 ports. I'll have a USB 2 hub plugged in. Plugging USB devices into a hub will slow the whole hub down to USB 1, but I you can mix the on the Mac itself. You can have a USB 1 device plugged into port 1 and a USB 2 device plugged into port 2 or 3 and it will make no difference to speed. Is it just a hub thing? Strictly speaking it's a bus thing. Look at System Profiler...you'll see that each of your USB ports is a separate USB bus. Plugging a USB1 device into USB2 bus will slow down all traffic on that bus to USB1 speeds, so if you do have USB1 only devices (which, frankly speaking, are pretty rare) keep 'em segregated on their own USB port on your Mac. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB hub form factor
On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:06 PM, glen wrote: At 11:44 AM -0500 10/22/08, hackmiester / Hunter Fuller posted: http://www.electronicplus.com/images/products/SRG-1000.jpg I'm using one of those right now! It's got my monitors, printer, and USB hub (my Windows box won't boot with it connected, for some reason, so I just turn off that switch during startup...) It's very similar -- I notice the description says it's made out of plastic? The Woods model I have is metal, has a fifth device receptacle and even with the exchange rate I paid half. Plus it has the orange neon glowy power switches ;-) I have another variation: http://www.geocities.com/glenstrek/dakpwrstrip.jpg purchased from DAK industries many years (20?) years ago which I think are no longer in business. Very handy. Don't know what I do without it. --glen Blast from the past! I have an old boom box and a bread maker from them...looks like R2D2 (which is wierdly appropriate, since the guy who was inside the R2D2 costume was Kenny Baker...but I digress) which still works like a champ. I also have that Panic button laying around here somewhere. It used to be affixed to my Apple II keyboard... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: hard drive orientation (horizontal v. vertical)
On Oct 23, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Steve R wrote: this manufacturer has never even released a jpg showing a vertical drive. Are there some drives that should not be vertical or can I safely ass-u-me that drives less than 5 years old can be mounted either vertical or horizontal? Drive orientations hasn't really mattered since the early 90's. The only thing to be aware of is if there's a cooling fan be sure not to block it, and make sure it's stable in your chosen orientation. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a bootable drive...
On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: Morning all I'm about to upgrade my bootable drive and could use some guidelines as to what was the easiest method to use... By 'upgrade' what do you mean? installing a new drive or a new OS? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Permissions Question, CCC 3.1.2 under Tiger a few more Qs ...
On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:13 PM, insightinmind wrote: CCC did not seem to successfully bless the OS X copy, although the CCC Log says differently ... it did not show up under Startup Disk Items when connected via USB2, but it did show up when connected by FW400. Then your Mac won't start up from USB...it has nothing to do with the drive. When you look at the partition, no folders had the usual icons for OS X, Applications, etc. Just plain folders. Would not startup under OS 9.1 from the FW drive either. I've had this happen occasionally with CCC for some reason, but that was in much older versions. You can use thr command-line 'bless' command to bless a system folder so it's will boot. Do man bless in terminal, at the end is a command to bless a system folder for booting into OS X. You'll need to modify the command a bit to reflect the path to the System Folder on the FW drive. Also if you're not using an intel mac, you don't need the efi bit. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a bootable drive...
On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: To feather clarify the issue, the bootable drive in question is an internal drive tied to the ATA bus. I'm rig is a Dual 1 GHZ, Power PC, G4 (QuickSilver 2002). Plug in the drive, and use Carbon Copy Cloner (free) or SuperDuper (not free) to compy over the contents of your existing drive. Voila'. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Family Of eMacs
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On the health side, studies have shown that for children, the risk of childhood cancers is as high as 2 for users of CRT monitor. This means your child may double their chances of cancer from prolonged use of CRT monitors. (2) I'm sorry but the article you cite makes no such claim. It says, specifically: Epidemiologists have suggested that the risk factors for some childhood cancers (particularly leukemia) are as high as two for some populations exposed to low frequency EMI. Note some populations and exposed to low-frequency EMI not CRT's. THEN ONE LINE LATER it says: In general, a risk factor of less than six is not considered significant (cigarette smoking has a risk factor of 10-20). Sadly, like may other fields (law, engineering,etc) to paraphrase Inigo Montoya: those words, I do not think they mean what YOU think they mean Having worked in the carcinogenesis field, I can state that a risk factor of two derived from some study is not significantly greater than chance, unless it's a really really REALLY big study, controlled for a huge number of variables, and absent a police state keeping accurate and detailed health and lifestyle records of everyone, there just isn't the data available for that kind of study. This means that you can draw NO CONCLUSIONS from the study, because it is equally probable that pure coincidence would give you the same results. Sadly, these terms get tossed into articles directed at laypeople without a clear understanding or explanation of what the words mean within the field they're being used in. Also the numbers on childhood cancer are very very low, so presuming the observed risk is real, even doubling the risk still means they have a very very low risk of the actual adverse outcome. Seriously, the risks of letting your children near a street are far higher than the elevated risk from looking at CRTs. Finally, while there have been widely touted studies linking living under power lines and cancer in young children, there is a glaring flaw in most of these studies: almost invariably this housing is relatively new, and almost invariably, significantly lower socioeconomic class, a whole host of other risk factors involved. When these studies are properly controlled against this, the EMI effect vanishes. This isn't 'massaging the numbers' or 'lying with statistics' it's plain old ordinary science. Anecdotes != Data. This is akin to the 'brain cancer epidemic' we've been saddled with since we got the MRI which could find brain tumors too small to be found in the past. If there IS an EMI effect, it is below the background noise of all other carcinogens in the environment. And no I'm not a paid shill of the power industry, but if EMI caused cancer, we'd see a massive epidemic among factory workers, janitors and barbers...power tools, vacuum cleaners and barber's shears have vastly stronger EM fields than CRT's...that's why your TV goes crazy when the vacuum cleaner comes near. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disable Registration prompt Quicken 2005
On Oct 25, 2008, at 2:23 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: I'm also open to suggestions on personal financial software. I'm looking a iBank and CheckBook and I think there's an open source app too that I'll track down. GnuCash and MoneyDance are other likely suspects. GnuCash is OSS, and an X-windows program installable via fink or Macports. Some searching found Jgnash, whcih despite its Klingon-ish name looks pretty nice. hers's an article http://www.linux.com/articles/49400 -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:44 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 6 of 6 == Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 7:37 pm From: Dan Let Time Machine use the other volume. And when it farks up, you can wipe it out and still have that other volume as your primary backup. Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training wheels... Just as I was going to order a Time Capsule in a day or so, I see this. So, Time Machine is not yet robustly mature? Where does it go wrong? Is it the way folks use it? Are there specific stress points to avoid? Is anybody here fully satisfied with it over time? I've got a half dozen people using it, including myself, and we're all quite happy with it. No hitches. At least one of them has completely restored their Mac from a TM volume. Dan hasn[t specified his issues with it, but I suspect his main one is that it's not bootable. shrug We have the System disks handy. So that's not an issue. Be aware you'll need a LARGE drive for those 4 systems, because TM backups just keep growing ... I'm on my second TM drive. if/when it fills up, I'm going to have to investigate migrating TM volumes, this time I just swapped in a new volume, and, of course, I needed something from a couple months ago that I'd deleted. I found the files in question, but manually navigating a TM volume is a pain. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac OS on PC?
On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Paxton wrote: I suspect this takes the subject off topic for this forum. It was never ON-topic...As far as I can tell, the appropriate list would be the Unsupported OSX list. Also, OS X and apps have assumed a minimum 1024x768 screen resolution for quite a while now...It'll be quite possible to get dialog boxes you cannot click on with only a 600px vertical resolution. I've run into that issue with Clamshell iBooks. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Al Poulin wrote: Thank you Bruce and Dan. So TM/C, both of them, are mixed blessings, best summarized as flakey. On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 3 of 3 == Date: Mon, Oct 27 2008 5:09 pm From: Dan 0. TM spins violently if stopped suddenly. This leaves you quite vulnerable to Morlock attacks. In this plain-English paragraph where enumeration begins with an ADPish 0, I saw mystery until Google and Wikipedia cited Marvel Comics and H. G. Wells. Stupid me! Anyway, I take it that Morlock attacks in TM are not a specific, known type of technical failure. I'm going to peek into Apple's fora. Are the TM and TC less prone to problems in a home environment than in the office with multiple users? At home, what can users do to minimize risk where any two of four Macs may be running simultaneously? Should we manage the use to only one Mac at a time? Well, we're all on the 3rd floor here, so Morlocks are less of an issue. Too much daylight to contend with :-) I have no experience with Time Capsule, only Time Machine with attached FW drives servicing a single computer. In those situations, I've had no issues. I have all my systems plugged into decent UPS'es, so I've had no drive failures so far. Based on communications with my users (I've asked them specifically) they're not seeing the problems that Dan is seeing. I've gotten occasional notices that the backup failed, but running it again manually fixed the issue. I've recovered files from the backup, so so far the drives haven't been being corrupted. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jpeg and gif coversion problem
On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Ray wrote: Although, I discovered that Quicktime (and PictureViewer) opened both the gif and the one jpeg created in OS X that wouldn't open by any other applications in Windows XP. All those explanations are interesting but it's just curious why it could be opened by Quicktime and not any applications in WinXP, even Adobe PS CS3? Jpeg is a standard standard. If it was a real jpeg, it should have opened up. I suspect it's another format labelled as .jpeg OR it's got a resource fork attached, but Adobe opens those without issues. Look at it in the finder in list view...does it call it a JPEG Image or a JPEG Document? Images are just that, Documents have a resource fork attached, and can cause problems. If it's an image, open the file in TextWrangler, the first line should have JFIF in it. If the file opens as a picture in TextWRangler it's a JPEG Document. You can open it with Graphic converter and save it as 'web ready' to strip the resource fork. If it was a pict file, I could understand why only QT could open it up...pict encompassed both bitmap and vector images; Windows apps could open bitmapped picts but not vector pict files (such as the late, great SuperPaint). -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Problem
On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: Hello, I have just added an external 250GB HD to my eMac, which uses OS 10.5.5. I divided it into two partitions, one the same size as my internal drive, and the other using the remainder. I copied the internal drive onto the matching size external drive. I am attempting to use the Time Machine to add the information from the internal drive to the other larger partition. I've had it running for six hours now, the Time Machine is running, but appears to be stalled at 6.3 mg. Aby suggestions? Check the system and console logs, see what errors are being thrown. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: malware and web pages
? ) Dictionary attacks do not handle phrases well at all, and mangling or randomizing the phrases as above makes it even harder. This isn't to say that at some point in the future such attacks won't become useable, but this will require a order of magnitude or two better speed. Keep up to date on system updates, particularly security ones. OS X has a TON of code and programs that you don't deal with, and many of them are third-party programs (The built-in web service, for example, is Apache. The built-in windows file sharing is Samba, and the printing mechanism is CUPS, all open source third party programs. They issue updates on a regular basis, and Apple rolls those into their security updates.) As far as AV goes, I cannot, in good conscience recommend that anyone spend any money on it, go get ClamXav http://www.clamxav.com/ it's free, it's well supported, it's in use by thousands of sysadmins worldwide...we use it as the AV scanner on our email server, which handles hindred of accounts and thousands of messages a day. And note, if you run Windows on your Mac, your Windows instance is heir to all the ills of Windows. Keep it up to date, run antivirus, antispyware, etc. Again, Use Clamwin for AV, and I recommend Spybot SearchDestroy as an antispyware solution. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: System Crash - Spotlight???
On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:13 AM, RediG3-5 wrote: Mini G4 10.4.11 I've had several Crashes recently where I get that nasty black dialog telling me that I have to shut down by pressing the power button for several seconds. You need to go looking in the logs at the system crash reports to see what's happening, but absent recent system software changes, this is a hardware issue, something's going on the computer. When I reboot, it seems that Spotlight begins indexing. This is because after the KP Spotlight finds that it's indexes are foo and starts rebuilding them. Recently, I've taken to shutting my computer down over night and I'm wondering if the nightly indexing is happening the next day and overloading my system. Spotlight should never need to re-index the whole system. It only indexes changes, and that on the fly. I'd start, right now by booting from your system CD and repairing your Hard drive...repeated crashes like that can cause serious directory damage. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: malware and web pages
On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Dan wrote: 2) Only use a single credit card with a low limit online. And make sure that card isn't paid automatically from any other account, in case its number is stolen. Discover lets you very easily create a 'one-time-use' CC# http://www.discovercard.com/customer-service/security/create-soan.html Unfortunately the downloadable version is for PC's only :-( The online version is quite easy to use, though. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: System Crash - Spotlight???
On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:35 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: I did look for Crash logs before posting but found only reports on specific software crashes. Not sure I was looking in the right place. I mislead you by using the word Crash, kernel panic logs are stored in: /Library/Logs/Panic Reporter There's a line toward the end that says: 'BSD process name corresponding to current thread:' That will tell you the actual process causing the panic; alas, it's called a 'kernel panic' for a reason, 90% of the time it will be 'kernel_task'. One of mine says 'vmware-vmx' though, meaning it was Fusion that caused that one. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox 3.0.3 opens windows to Full Screen
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:22 AM, bob b wrote: Just installed this version and notice that it always opens in full screen mode when it starts up, or when i switch to another program or site then back to it, so I have to constanly adjust it to a smaller, preferred size. It seems not to remember the window size it was in. Open it, adjust the size, quit immediately. That used to fix that issue back in the Mozilla days. If it's not saving settings, something could be screwed up in the profile. Export your bookmarks, then delete or rename the old profile (which is in ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox) and start FF again. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where did the Speed Go?
On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:16 AM, billycar_G3-5 wrote: Dan, When I suppled this (or other) information above, publicly, did I compromise my Mac's security? Thanks, No, not at all, That is simply routing information from the Internet side of your router to the rest of the world. Your Mac is 'hidden' behind that router. I have hidden in quotes, the function of NAT is not to hide an internal network, but to map external network connections to a non- routed internal network, but the effect is the same. Anything on your side of your DSL router isn't reachable from the outside; your computer has to go out and make the connection. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Netinfo?
On Nov 3, 2008, at 9:09 AM, vsedriver wrote: I came home the other day and found a couple of strange windows open on my desktop. One was for Netinfo. What is it? It had a lot of code in the window. Should I be concerned? Do you have a cat? Cat feet are especially adept at doing things to computers :-) If you're concerned that someone from the outside was manipulating your computer, almost certainly not. Someone had to be sitting at the computer to open that window up. Netinfo used to be the database that OS X kept a lot of system and user-related settings in, there was an application called Netinfo Manager that could be used to work with this. Your admin password would be needed to work with it. This only applies to versions of OS X older than 10.5, maybe 10.4. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac g5 or mac mini.
On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Josh Smiley wrote: My current setup is a 24 Samsung LCD that I use for playing xBox 360 and office work ( I got it for $160 at Best Buy). I bought the LCD with the hope of hooking my desktop up to it. That is the reason I don't want to/can't buy a iMac. My priorities are: Running 2 Windows xp apps editing video with iMovie and final cut And support for my 54GB library of growning media. My budget is $800 or less and both the Intel Mac Mini and PowerMac G5 seem to fit the bill. I just don't know if the G5 will run windows. The PowerMac G5 will NOT run Windows. VirtualPC was never updated to run on the G5 line, and while other emulators exists they're horribly slow. The Mini is the way to go. You CAN connect the LCD up to newer iMacs and use it as an extended desktop...I'm doing that right now with a 21 one on my 20 first gen intel imac. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac g5 or mac mini.
On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Josh Smiley wrote: Thanks for all the ideas everyone. I keep seeing rumors that new mac minis are close. Nov 10? NOt according to the Mothership... http://tinyurl.com/6e8z4h Despite Internet rumors of forthcoming product releases, an Apple representative confirmed that the company has no plans to release any new products before the holidays. “Our holiday line-up is set,” Apple spokesman Bill Evans toldMacworld. For instance, one online report claims that Apple will release new iMacs and an updated Mac mini on November 10. The report offers only Apple moles as the source for the report. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Al Poulin wrote: I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. True, unless you use some geekish techniques to fool the 733MHz problem. What '733 MHz problem'??? That only applied to some iLife programs, like iDVD and Garage Band. 10.4 will run VERY WELL on her Mac, and 10.3 is a poor match for ANYTHING these days since MANY programs require 10.4 or better. There were enormous changes made 'under the hood' between 10.3 and 10.4 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
