Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac?

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> ...I wasn't aware that the NEC chipset was the preferred one.
>
> The ones I briefly looked at yesterday on Amazon UK seemed to be all
> Texas Instruments, which I think is also on my G3's motherboard. I'll
> steer clear of those and try your suggestion.

The preferred USB 3.0 chip set IS NEC (now Renesas).

The preferred Firewire 400 chipset IS Texas Instruments.

USB 2.0/1.1 and Firewire 800 could, and probably is, others.



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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac?

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> Best results with various other cards were found with NEC chips as well.

The NEC chipset, now renamed Renesas, is the most compatible of several
competitive chipsets.



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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac?

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> I've used PCI USB2 cards in the PowerMac without issues; I wasn't sure
> about something more unusual like Firewire.

Standardization is complete, or very nearly so.

PowerMacs can accept and use USB 2.0/1.1, USB 3.0, FW 400 and FW 800 PCI
cards.


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Re: PRAM of MDD

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> What problems are known to occur when a MDD has a weak PRAM battery? Is
> ist
> absolutely necessary to change it? Thanks for your comments.

The nominal voltage of the PRAM battery is 3.6 volts.

The battery may still be functional when is reaches 3.0 volts, at which
point it is considered exhausted.

The PRAM chip is quite variable, and some will appear to have failed at
somewhat above 3.0 volts, while others will still be good at somewhat
below 3.0 volts.

The best plan is to replace the battery when it is low, but is still above
3.0 volts.



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Re: Partitions corrupted on a drive (UPDATE: typos fixed+parts rewritten)

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>> But, it is still safer to limit the boot volume to two partitions, the
>> first of which is 128 GB (131,072 MB, actual capacity) with the
>> remainder
>> being used for data storage which is not boot-dependent.
>
> It really is the only *safe* way.
>
>> Thereafter, the other volumes may be larger than 128 GB.

Indeed so, and this was my eventual realization.

But, at THAT time, 120 GB ATA drives were common. Today, they are a
rarity. My smallest ATA drive is presently a pair of 160 GB drives which
are in a MacMini G4 which is being used as a server.

My final solution was to modify my Beige G3, reverting the ROM from 3C to
1A, which removed the two drive capability per ATA channel, and to go to
an all-UW-SCSI implementation for my hard drives.

I had drives in the "basement" of the Beige, and also in the conventional
locations.

My N-SCSI channel was used for a DAT tape drive for backups.

These days, my only operational Mac tower from the G3/G4 family is
presently a MDD.

I think you are probably right ... I was "lucky" that the O.F. hack worked
for me as that logical volume was mostly unfilled.

I had also experimented with using the O.F. hack for the third and fourth
ATA devices, but this was not without its problems, either.



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Re: Partitions corrupted on a drive (UPDATE: typos fixed+parts rewritten)

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> (Sorry, my first attempt had numerous errors such as typos. I've also
> rewritten parts and added a TO-DO, what I would do).
> THIS IS THE UPDATED VERSION OF THE SAME EMAIL.
> ...

It is my understanding that if the LBA48 property has been introduced to
O.F. "persistently", then a volume which is larger than 128 GB may indeed
be the boot volume.

But, it is still safer to limit the boot volume to two partitions, the
first of which is 128 GB (131,072 MB, actual capacity) with the remainder
being used for data storage which is not boot-dependent.

Thereafter, the other volumes may be larger than 128 GB.

Just a short refresher course:

1) the basic support, which is pre-MDD, is LBA28,

2) support for LBA48 before or during boot may be added "persistently"
using the O.F. hack, and

3) support for LBA48 after boot may be added using the Intech High-Cap
kernel extension, for appropriate versions of MacOS X, and

4) LBA48 really means that the OS software sends TWO commands (CDBs) to
the controller, the first of which contains the first 28 bits, and the
second of which contains the remaining 20 bits).

The only PowerPC Mac which I still have on my desk is a Mirror Drive Door
model, and the MDD models all have LBA48 permanently available.

My MDD machine was supplied with two very large HDDs, and both seem to
work appropriately. The machine also included two DVD burners which is
certainly a luxury.



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Re: 10.5.8 Update Stuck in "Configuring Installation" for 12 Hours

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> So that's it,  apparently a corrupt file(s), that OSX apparently verified,
> but it wasn't sound.  All that cost me way too much of my life, but now I
> get to reap the glory of solving my problem, and hopefully saving others
> from the same fate.So if this works for you, then that validates this
> as SOLVED!

Great news!

There are a few tell-tale files that can cause a great deal of hair-pulling.

I recently bought a Core 2 Duo MacMini off of eBay.

Came with MacOS X installed, but, alas, no superuser password.

Turns out that there is a tell-tale file which, when present, tells MacOS
X that a superuser password is to be used.

Erase that file and reboot, and then you will be greeted with the entire
"first time use" dialog set, including the setting (or not setting) of the
machine's superuser password.

All my in-house machines have no password, which is my preference as there
are no other users.



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Re: Antenna for wireless

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> Or you could buy the OEM Apple antenna plus a set of the correct Apple had
> drive screws from me, shipped USPS Priority Mail from Eureka CA. How much
> do you want to pay for that?

The WiFi cards usually have one, two or three U.Fl connectors. Two is the
most common for cards used on Apple machines.

The (external) antennas themselves usually have a RP-SMA connector.

One antenna is usually sufficient, but two can be better than one.

Cables with a U.FL connector on one end and an RP.SMA connector on the
other are available in quite a number of lengths from ePay (sic) sellers.

For my Shuttle small form factor machines which usually have a fast 4-core
Intel processor and run MacOS X, I need a 12" internal cable to connect
the WiFi card to the antenna. The

Shuttles all have knockouts which accommodate the RP-SMA connector (and
therefore the antenna), and the other end connects directly to the WiFi
card (either Broadcom 94322, for early examples, or Realtek 8187 or
Atheros, for late examples).

Apple supplies drivers for Broadcom and Atheros WiFI cards, but the plist
usually has to be edited to enable the cards. For the Atheros, Apple uses
id=2a, but all the Atheros cards which are sold on ePay are id=2b.

Then there are USB WiFi cards with integral or detachable antennas, and
Apple even has drivers for those, as long as the card is Realtek-based.


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Re: Add normal floppy drive to Power Mac G4?

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> I am aware there is no floppy connector on the motherboard, but I wanted
> to
> know if there is a cheap way to convert to IDE or add a floppy controller
> card via PCI.

Floppy to USB is the best option, if you can find a converter (probably
from a China or HK eBay store).



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Re: Add normal floppy drive to Power Mac G4?

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>> I have an old Power Mac G4 Digital Audio, and I would like to add on a
>> floppy drive to read floppy disks I may find floating around. So I
>> purchased a floppy drive on eBay, but I realized that it has a normal
>> floppy drive connector. Is there any way I could connect this drive to
>> my
>> G4 without buying a new drive or making this external?
>
> No. There is no connector on the board for a "normal" floppy. I've seen
> some folks shoehorn it into a USB enclosure in one of the 5.25" bays and
> connect that up, however.

Even PCs have no floppy drive connector.

Exception ...

Those early PC motherboards which were designed using a "Super I/O" chip,
made by ITE and many other Asian companies.

This chip rides on the PC's "low pin count" bus, which Intel-based Macs
also have, and converts that to:

1) standard 34-pin floppy drive, and

2) standard 40-pin ATA bus which supports two ATA drives, and

3) RS-232/RS-422 serial port, and

4) "Centronics-type" parallel port, but using IBM's "Centronics-type" pinout.

These "Super I/O" chips largely disappeared with the 5-Series motherboards
from Intel and many others, but were considered essential for 4-Series
motherboards, and earlier ones as well.

The BEST solution for accessing floppies on a Mac is a Fujitsu or equal
USB floppy drive.

Incredibly enough, these even work on PCs, and can be bootable if the PC
motherboard/BIOS supports booting from a USB device.

On a "Hackintosh", floppy booting is even possible by selecting
"USB-Floppy" from the boot device selection menu.

Alas, a standard floppy only accommodates 1.44 megabytes of info, and most
PC BIOSes these days are 8 megabytes, a little more or a little less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_I/O



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Re: Mavericks install

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> BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these
> babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?

It is a sign of the times.

Chromebooks generally have soldered RAM (either 2 banks of 1 GB = 2 GB
total or 2 banks of 2 GB = 4 GB total), but some VERY OLD pre-Haswell
models have one or two DDR3 SO-DIMM slots, and these models are YEARS out
of production.

Chromeboxes, OTOH, have SO-DIMM slots, DDR3L, with everyone but HP
"stuffing" both banks, whereas HP "stuffs" only bank 0 on its Celeron
models, although bank 1 is indeed "printed". This showing of false economy
on HP's part gives its Celeron owners a choice of up to 8 GB in one stick
(one bank), and Core i owners a choice of up to 16 GB in two sticks (two
banks). Most Chromeboxes are Haswell, or Haswell-refresh.

Also, Chromebooks are now tending to move away from M.2 42mm SSDs (16 GB
or 32 GB is the most common), in favor of eMMC SSDs which are soldered.

Already, the Intel 802.11a/b/g/n/ac + BT card is being soldered.

Manufacturers would rather you did your upgrades by purchasing a new
machine, rather than incrementally adding-in low-cost devices.

Again, a sign of the times, and Apple Inc is not immune.




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Re: Beige G3 startup problem

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> I needed to hook up an Agfa SCSI Duoscan to scan negatives, and it would
> not be seen by the SCSI card in a G4 Quicksilver, so I dug a beige G3 266
> desktop out of the closet. As I was trying different PCI cards, it started
> to not respond to the power button.

The Beige was the last desktop with built-in SCSI.

I have successfully used a Nikon LS-3500AF 4096 x 6144x30 ("4K" resolution
with 30 bits/pixel) on my Beige's built-in SCSI, using Nikon Professional
Products' plug-in for Adobe Photoshop.

IIRC, my licensed copy of Photoshop was sold with such and Agfa scanner,
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Re: SSD for 2002 Quicksilver G4

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> 137,000 MB is the limit for an early QS.

Oops ... the limit is 131,072 MB, computed as follows: 128 megabytes
(where a "megabyte" is really 1024-based, and not 1000-based) = 131,072
MB.

The problem is: the early QSes support only a 24-bit LBA size, whereas
late QSes support a 48-bit LBA. The difference is in the ROM, so a hybrid
machine, say, an early QS with a late QS motherboard, can be treated as a
late QS.

Application of the O.F. hack forces the early QS to use 48-bit LBAs, hence
large drives will work in those cases.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND partitioning your large drives with 128 MB as the first
partition, and the entire remainder of the drive as a second partition.

In this way, your drive will be compatible with old or new QSes, with or
without the O.F. hack, and the only downside is the second partition will
not be seen if LBA48 is not being used.

Heck, you may even use such a large drive as your boot drive.



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Re: SSD for 2002 Quicksilver G4

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> You can use any of the offered sizes, but only the first 120 or so GB will
> be seen by the Quicksilver, (the drive can always later be used in another
> machine at full capacity).

137,000 MB is the limit for an early QS.

Late QSes have this limit removed in hardware.

"-02" IDE chip has the fix for large drives.

Early QS's O.F. can be updated with the > 137,000 MB firmware alteration,
which is permanent on these machines, and remains until the O.F. has been
reset.

https://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/



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Re: SSD for 2002 Quicksilver G4

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> As the subject line says, I'm wondering if anyone has installed an SSD in
> their G4?  If so, would you please offer recommendations and comments on
> how it performs?

2.5" SATA to PATA converters certainly exist (find them on eBay), but how
would one provide the "trim" function?



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Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?

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> I just installed a 1TB 2.5" SATA hard disk into my G4 mac mini using one
> of
> those SATA to PATA Superdrive bays you can find on ebay for $10.

Care to share the eBay item number, or the eBay link?

The adapters which I found were all for 3.5"/5.25" drives, NOT 2.5" drives.




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Re: I want to set up my G5 to run Linux

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>> You can have a look at Yellow Dog Linux:
>> http://www.fixstars.com/en/technologies/linux/what/overview/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Diederick
>
> That's pretty cool, I didn't know YDL was still kicking around.

A version of YDL is still kicking around which will run on an ANS (Apple
Network Server ... PPC 604e).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Network_Server



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Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?

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> It would be nice if there was an adapter that went into the mobo IDE
> slot so you could run a SATA cable out to the drive.  Routing would be
> much easier that way.

It is theoretiaclly possible to do, but only for one SATA port as the
chipsets presently in use "map" either a Master PATA OR a Slave PATA (but
not both) into a single SATA device (with the card becoming a functional
part of the SATA drive, and what you are proposing is a new device which
maps a Master PATA AND a Slave PATA (both) into two SATA devices.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

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> Thanks, everyone.  What is the most effective way to remove flash from the
> computer?

Use your browser and point its search key to "remove adobe flash".

That should get you to ...

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-windows.html

... or a similar adobe.com link from which you can download the
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

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> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
> is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
> support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

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>>I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a
>>daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer
>>upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
[ * ] .

There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

[ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
(shunt), as from a 2.5" hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
second hard drive.

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Re: Need Larger Internal HDD for G5 1.8 X 2

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> The drive comes unformatted so those are great suggestions from both of
> you.

Even SSDs come unformated.

During the device "role call", unformatted drives are so marked, and one
of the first actions when the system reaches the Desktop is to invoke Disk
Utility and ask you to initialize or ignore those drives.

If the drive has been previously formatted with a "foreign" system, Linux,
for example, you should ignore the message.

If the drive has not been previously formatted, as in the case of nearly
every brand-new device, you should probably reply format.



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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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> Looks like the giant 2TB is useless for this machine and I realize this
> computer is 15 years old. Unless somebody has some ideas.

Lots of DOSes (using DOS as a generic term, here, to include products from
MANY developers) have 2 TB as an absolute limit. Or they used to.

My USB/eSATA external docking devices all choke on drives larger than 2 TB
(where Seagate has changed the definition to mean that 2 TB is really
2,000,000,000,000 bytes, which means the actual device capacity is more
... but all DOSes take back some for hidden partitions and, of course, for
the initial directory, so perhaps it is a wash).

M$ was forced into a major rewrite for > 2 TB drives, and A$ suffered some
pain, too.

In my shop, I make sure all boot drives are 2 TB or less (1 TB is my
present fave, particularly for laptops), but pure data drives are allowed
to be up to 3 TB (> 3  TB drives either cost much more per megabyte, or
suffer from lower spindle speeds, or both).

I cannot initialize a 3 TB drive using a dock, but it takes but a few
moments to plug a new drive into an eSATA port.



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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice

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> First, your DA G4 doesn't support volumes bigger than 128 GB.

My shop had four G4 DAs, and all supported > 128 GB (actual capacity is
131,072).

You may use HD Speedtools, but that is an extension, and is only available
after booting has been successfully completed.

You may use the Open Firmware hack, and that is available at all times as
it is "persistently" added to the boot ROM.

Lookup the O.F. hack in the usual places, and you will probably find
several versions of it, at least one of which will get the job done.

I say "persistent", as the code required to support > 128 GB [ * ] is
actually added to the writable portion of the boot ROM.

It is deleted whenever you do an O.F. reset (and which erases any such
additions to O.F.).

With the MDD machines, the > 128 GB code was permanently in the boot ROM,
and cannot be deleted.


[ * ] Drives which are <= 128 GB send a single parameter block to the
drive. Drives which are > 128 GB send two parameter blocks, the first of
which has the low-order block IDs, and the second of which has the
high-order block IDs.

The O.F. hack enables sending the second parameter block for those cases
where two parameter blocks are expected. The ROM is actually capable of
sending the second parameter block, but it is inhibited from doing so on
DAs and earlier models.

Without the O.F. hack, only one parameter block is sent, irrespective of
the capacity of the drive, and which can lead to some rather strange
results as the block ID which the drive sees is really the "MOD 131072"
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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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> Thanks to everybody, I think I'm going to get an intel Mac ...

A very wise choice.

Flexibility and reliability of MacOS X improved dramatically after the
switch to an Intel platform.

10.4.8 was the more-or-less first instance which supported Intel. Alas,
the underlying Intel hardware was somewhat primitive, with most of the
function provided off-chip.

10.9.5 is exceptionally reliable, with almost all function provided on-chip.





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Re: best wifi solution for powermac Digital Audio

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> I've only just caught up with this threadI never realized that you
> could use off-the-shelf USB2 PCI cards with PPC Macs.

A PCI solution which is often overlooked is this:

1) a PCI to Mini-PCI adapter which has one or more SMC connectors (for
antennae), only one is actually needed, and two is supported, but not
three,

For example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WiFi-54-108b-g-Mini-PCI-To-PCI-Converter-Adapter-Wireless-Card-New-/181697029741

2) a Dell (or other, but Dell seems to work best) Mini-PCI 802.11b/g or
802.11a/b/g or 802.11a/b/g/n card,

For example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-LATITUDE-D400-D410-D500-D510-D600-D610-D800-D810-WIRELESS-WIFI-CARD-DW1370-/300678594593

The adapter shown has one antenna connector, and one is really all that is
needed.

An antenna is also required, and some ePay sellers are including antennae
with their cards.

The beauty of this solution is the Dell card is seen as an Airport Extreme
card OOTB by MacOS X.

It MAY be necessary to twiddle with the IO80211Family.kext to see some
cards as Airport Extreme, specifically the AppleAirPortBrcm43224.kext
plug-in, but most seem to work.

The above is a very cost-effective way to get real-deal Apple-compatible
Wi-Fi, without the use of drivers, as MacOS X already includes the
necessary driver.

I believe the Dell cards are actually using the Broadcomm 4318 chip set.



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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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> I'm not following this thread closely, so perhaps this isn't right,
> but some of the early G4's lacked LBA48 support for larger HDs in
> firmware. There was a patch to enable LBA48 support for bigger drives, but
> I think this was for models prior to the DA?
>
> http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard-drives.html

That IS the correct hack for LBA48.

There was a shorter one posted elsewhere, but the above-cited hack is the
one which ALWAYS worked for me.

The 1000 MHz Quicksivers supposedly came with the LBA48 property already
in O.F.

The 800 MHz Quicksilvers DID NOT.

The determining factor is the P/N of the Quicksilver MB. "-A" does not
have LBA48; "-B" does.

Any model after an 800 MHz Quicksilver should be assumed to support LBA48
OOTB.

One reason for the hack is it is to O.F. itself, so, therefore, it is
active at boot-time.

The Speedtools alternative only works after the extension has been
successfully loaded, so it is not available at boot-time.



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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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> Does the PATA/SATA adapter have a jumper to set Master/Slave?   You could
> be having Master/Slave issues.

The SATA to PATA (IDE) converter I have does, indeed, have a Master/Slave
jumper, but, alas, no position which is explicitly Cable Select.

The drives in B&W G3 and later machines support Cable Select, and this is
the optimal choice for those machines.

Alas, the Mini from the same generation DOES NOT support Cable Select ...
the caddies are Master (the built-in hard drive, only) OR Slave (the
optical drive caddy) ... however, those caddies intended to support a
second HD in the place of the optical drive are Master and no jumper is
provided for Slave. Installing the caddy, as shipped, into a Mini will
result in failure to boot as a consequence of the presence of two Masters.
Depending upon the version of hard drive caddy, either soldering a jumper
will be required, or a special metric shunt (jumper) will be required. The
shunts which were shipped with some 2.5" PATA (IDE) drives is usually the
appropriate choice.



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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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> Can the G4 address that much space?

Remember, the SCSI drives only have one parameter block for specifying the
LBA (but there are several parameter block formats).

Small/large IDE drives are accessed in this way:

1) Small drives have one parameter block, whereas

2) large drives use the same parameter block as small drives, for the
low-order 24 bits of the LBA, and a second parameter block for the
high-prder 24 bits of the LBA, for a total of 48 bits.

Should the drive receive just the first parameter block, then just the
first 131,072 MB will be accessed.

The drive temporarily waits for the second parameter block. If it is
received, then the two 24 bit values are concatenated into a 48 bit LBA,
and the access proceeds.

It is for this reason that large IDE drives which are connected to an
internal IDE port on a PPC Mac can only access 131,072 MB.

However, some PPC Macs can have the LBA48 property turned on, by using
certain special Open Firmware commands. This is what the Speedtools
product simulated using a plug-in extension. But such an extension was not
always required, if Open Firmware was employed to hack the LBA48 property.

See info in ...

http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/Interface%20manuals/100293068c.pdf

... starting at page 18.

SCSI drives, which is what ATA drives are modeled after in PCI cards for
Macs (and PCs), whenever a PCI card is employed for their access, have
several parameter blocks, with various bit counts associated with the
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Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4

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>> It's hooked up to a 133ATA card. I have 120GB boot drive and 300GB data
>> drive.

The earliest so-called ATA 133 cards were really ATA 100 cards with a hack
which improved their performance to ATA 133 levels.

In theory, an ATA 100 card for a Mac is still limited to 131,072 MB.

Also in theory, an ATA 133 card for a Mac has the 131,072 MB restriction
lifted.

In theory.

But that was nearly 20 years ago.

These days, so-called "legacy" hardware for support of hard drives, more
specifically SATA hard drives, has 2 TB as its "breaking point".

Go back to a configuration which works, and don't "tickle the tail of the
dragon".

Remember, an ATA PCI card for a PPC Mac "models" the connected hard
drive(s) as SCSI drives.

Up to four drives per card ... Bus 0 Master and Slave, Bus 1 Master and
Slave.

A Mac can accept up to four such ATA cards, but install the fifth such
card and the machine will not pass POST ... it will hang (I know this as I
tested it on a 9500/9600).

There are still some fundamental limitations in a PPC Mac, and hard drive
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Re: Replacement for Quicksilver G4 Superdrive

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>> > I understand that the lenses on the original Pioneer 103 DVR drives
>> must
>> be
>> > immaculate in order for them to work properly.

By the time of the Pioneer 113, the drives had gotten quite good.

But, they were still priced at about $100, whereas the price of SATA
burners had depressed to nearly $15.

Time waits for no man (nor for any product, either), and the time for PATA
burners was, alas, OVER!



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Re: best wifi solution for powermac Digital Audio

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> Cheap solution is buy a USB 2.0 PCI card and use the USB WIFI adapter
> you’ve been trying to use.

Most so-called USB 2.0 WiFi dongles will indeed work on USB 1.1.

Check the support list, though, as not all of these will support PPC Macs
(but some will).


> Alternative is buying a PCI WIFI adapter, but finding ones that are
> supported for PPC Macs under 10.4.11 may be difficult?

Check the IO80211.kext contents for the list of supported devices under
10.4.11.

Now, 10.4.8 was the first Intel supported version, and I do believe that
WiFi was supported thereupon, PROVIDED the plug-in's plist had the proper
device coded added to it.

I am using legacy PCI WiFi adapters from Chinese sources with a Dell
Mini-PCI (NOT Mini-PCI-e, but those are available, too).

These are supported ... at least on Intel platforms ... as gen-u-wine
Airport cards, once the Broadcom plist has been updated.


As an aside for those with failed Ethernet ports ...

There is a Fast Ethernet (10/100) dongle which utilizes the Kawasaki Logic
9700 chip, and the mini CD which is supplied has drivers for PPC, Intel_32
(i386) and Intel_64 (x86_64) included.


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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card

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> Did you recheck the connection of the Airport Extreme card inside your G5?

The kexts for Airport (or competitive 802.11 networking) support all
reside as plug-ins in:

/System/Library/Extensions/IO80211Family.kext

In 10.9, these plug-ins are:

AirPortAtheros40 (handles the Atheros-based AirPort cards)

AirPortBrcm4331 (handles most Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

AirPortBrcm4360 (handles some Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

AppleAirPortBrcm43224 (handles the remainder Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

IO80211NetBooter

Within each of those are plists which identify the supported cards.

Often, all that is required is determining the PRECISE identity of a card
(using Apple's IORegistryExplorer tool), and then adding it to the related
kext, first by copying an existing plist, and second by changing that copy
to reflect the identity of the new card.

As but one example, the Apple-supplied Atheros WiFi cards are all 002a,
whereas the generic Atheros WiFi cards are all 002b.

Simply copying the plist for an 002a card, and changing it to 002b will
automagically add support for a generic 002b card as if it was an
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Re: UDMA mode 5

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> The drives should work just fine, although they'll be limited to the
> throughput of the ATA adapter on the motherboard, which, iirc is ATA-100
> not 133, which is what the UDMA spec is talking about:
> 

The interface was carefully designed so that any drive which is connected
using 40-pin/40-wire cables is limited to 33 MB/sec (16.67 MB/sec on
Beiges) and any drive which is connected using 40-pin/80-wire cables is
limited to 133 MB/sec, with 66, 100 or 133 being possibilities, depending
upon the lowest performance interface (host or drive).



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Re: SYBA SD-SATA-4P

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> "Dear Customer,
>
> The box for this card was designed for a series of controller cards.
> Some of which did support Mas OS 10.5+.
>
> Unfortunately this is one of the cards of the series that does not
> support Mac OS.

As I pointed out on H Q-A (where this question was originally posted), the
Silicon Image series of cards was supported NOT BY Apple, but by SI
itself.

SI dropped OS X support many moons ago, and the SI host bus adapters are
NO LONGER SUPPORTED, nor are they supportable.

The current offerings of High Point, the RR622 specifically, ARE SUPPORTED.

Rosewill USED to offer its RAID systems with the SI card, but it has since
switched to the High Point card.

The Rosewill RAID systems use a SI "port multiplier" chip internally, but
it does not require any host support. It may be driven by any host which
has "port multiplier" support, certainly including the High Point RR622,
or, indeed, some host motherboard chips, like those found on some LGA 1366
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Re: Hard Drives

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> When I purchase a  new drive I look for those designated "enterprise
> grade". They're the ones with 5 year warranties.

Used to be everything had a 5 year warranty.

Then the consumer/prosumer drives drives were reduced to 3 years.

Now the consumer/prosumer drives are reduced to 2 years.

The enterprise drives remain at 5 years, which is good.

Seagate has relegated Barracuda to consumer/prosumer and has introduced
new enterprise drives.

Seagate's 2.5" offerings (Momentus, for example) are still the best in my
book, which is somewhat strange as Seagate didn't come out with a 2.5"
offering until years after IBM (now Hitachi) and Toshiba, and, later, WD.

Historically, IBM's SCSI 2.5" drives (500 and 1000 megabyte capacity) were
originally intended for a UC-Berkeley-inspired RAID product, with the
drives physically mounted on a blade-type controller card.

Product never got off the ground, but IBM had already purchased Mylex
(remember them ?) which was supposed to design the cards, with IBM
supposed to make the packaging and firmware.

IBM had already confirmed the concept of commodity drives in a
"Count-Key-Data" array product, the 9345, using its own 5.25" SCSI drives,
and the 2.5" version was logically a "die shrink" concept applied to the
9345.

IBM is still largely "Count-Key-Data", a concept which never seems to die.



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Re: Hard Drives

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> It's a consequence of the bottom falling out of HDD prices, and the
> staggeringly high rate of HDD size increase, I expect.

AND, dropping the size (thickness) from 12.5mm (although a few of those
are still around) to 9.5mm, or less.




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Re: PowerBook Batteries

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> I've used the NuPower batteries OWC sells in my systems and recommended
> them for others...only one dud in the lot (which was promptly replaced by
> OWC.)

I have also selected OWC's batteries, and have never been disappointed.



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Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower

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> I have tried the Seagate
> drive with the jumpers set to either the "single drive" setting, or the
> "cable select" setting.  I have not tried the Quantum drive  with an
> alternative jumper setting.

Apple began using Cable Select cables with the B&W G3, after it had
licensed hp/Compaq's patent on cable select and the hardware in the host
adapter which supports it.

Cable Select involves cutting certain wires in the 40-pin/80-wire ribbon
cable, and the, using three different types of connectors, each of which
appears to be the same, but are internally different.

With a Beige, Apple was not using Cable Select, it was using
40-pin/40-wire ribbon cables, so your best option is ... on Rev 2 or Rev 3
ROM machines (this won't work on Rev 1 ROM machines) ... to set one drive
to Master and the other drive to Slave.

It is customary for the farthest away drive to be Master, but this is not
a real requirement as "masters" and "slaves" are really "peers".

On a B&W or later, simply set both drives to Cable Select.

Indeed, on a B&W and later, the Zip drive may be replaced by an additional
hard drive, although the Zip drive carrier is drilled for M3 retention
screws in a Zip pattern, and not for #6-32 UNC retention screws in a hard
drive patterd.

No matter, a hard drive may be installed in the Zip drive carrier without
screws, if that suits you.



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Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower

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> Newer systems are always being updated to handle improved drive
> technologies, so it is quite possible that 9.2 would see something that
> 8.6
> didn't.
> The size of the drives is also important, as every OS version and machine
> have their own limits. Is the Seagate larger than the Quantum?
> Is the Seagate larger that 128 GB ?


The Subject stated "G3, 266 mhz tower", and most of those were made with
Rev 1 ROMs, which only support Masters, and possibly only 128 GB.

A Rev 2 or 3 ROM will support Slaves, of course.

It has been a LONG time that I have had my Beige powered-on, but a 300 MHz
pretty much required a Rev 2 ROM, and the Rev 3 ROM was released because
it cured issues with certain video cards and the Rev 2 ROM.

In any case, the beige used DMA mode, and it was the UATA in the Blue and
White which got into trouble with greater than 128 MB drives, until the
UATA chip was fixed.



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Re: HD replacement goof

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> I had to replace the hard drive on my wife's Quicksilver 733, OSX Tiger
> yesterday. There were two drives in it and the boot drive went down. I
> replaced it with a new WD and removed the secondary while I had it open,
> however I put the jumper on the new one like the old primary, having
> forgotten it needed to be configured differently since there was no slave
> drive anymore. Needless to say, there were problems.

This rather large family of machines uses Cable Select cables, as the
patent which Apple licensed from hp/Compaq (for Cable Select and generic
generic PC reset and startup) needs Cable Select mode in order to issue
the required Selective Reset commands to the drives.

You are probably advised to option your drives for CS, and to let the
cable do its magic.

Alternatively, CS can indeed coexist with Master- and Slave-optioned,
provided:

1) in a single drive situation, that drive is optioned for Master, and is
physically the farthest away from the host (the motherboard), OR

2) in a dual drive situation, the drives have different options, one being
Master, the other being Slave, and in this case it doesn't matter which is
Master and which is Slave, as both are really "peers", IOW, there is
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Re: Firewire gone awol

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>> I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card
>> should do. They're not very expensive.

Correct ... any OHCI-compatible PCI card will provide basic Firewire, at
your choice of 400 or 800, and sometimes with several connector types,
even internal ones.

Even the very inexpensive Hong Kong cards are good.


> This will work for a Firewire port, but the original idea was to access
> Target Disk Mode, which only works with the built-in Firewire.

Correct ... the motherboard's BIOS provides specific support to the
motherboard-resident Firewire chip. The two go together ... period.

The BIOS is unaware of any add-in PCI- or PCI-e-based Firewire card.

Although the motherboard-resident Firewire chip may, indeed, be a
PCI-e-based solution.



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Re: Installing New HDD in my G5

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> 250 GB -> 500 GB
> 40 GB  -> 250 GB

That works.

Alas, there exists a self-imposed 2.2 TB (2,200 GB) barrier, in SOME
cases. This ... usually ... turns out to be a BIOS
incompatibility/limitation.

Presently, I always use 1 TB drive for my OS drives, generally configured
as 1/3 primary OS, 1/3 emergency backup OS, and 1/3 common data (which
ALSO includes programs and data which is intentionally removed from the
Primary/Secondary partitions).

Additionally, I almost always use 3 TB for data, such as DVD images. I
tend to "rip" all my purchased DVDs to disk, so I can view these on the
computer. Whether this is a breach of the DMCA, or not, is not something
which I really and truly CARE about!)

DO work whatever works for YOU!



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Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?

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> The newest OS supported on PowerMacs is 10.5.8 and that would
> probably be the recommended one. But 10.4.11 is good too and runs slightly
> faster. It must be my stupid day, but someone posted that 10.6 runs on
> PPC, which I can't understand either.

My MacMini server is really a 1.25 GHz G4 with a replacement optical drive
carrier and adapter which houses a second hard drive which is for data,
only.

Mine is setup to run 10.4.11 non-server when in non-server mode and 10.5.8
Server when in server mode.

I keep the machine handy for the very reasons mentioned by the O.P ... the
need to retain "paid up" Adobe, Fontographer and other software licenses,
which would cost an arm and a leg to update to an Intel Mac, or ... horror
of horrors ... Windoze.



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Re: Wireless Mouse Options for PowerPC G4

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> Does anyone have a source/recommendation for a wireless laser mouse
> that will work on my G4 MDD running OS 10.5.8, OS 10.4.11, and  Classic?

I like the Gear Head MP2325BLK.

BLK is black, but these also come in colors.

The Bluetooth dongle is included with the product, and these are available
for about $12, from Fry's or eBay or Amazon.

I use my G4 machines through a KVM-A switch as I have only one monitor.

Works with all G4 machines which I still have in service, and that
includes a G4 MDD dual 1.42 and a G4 Mini 1.25. Running 10.4.11 and
10.5.8, when needed for access to Adobe utilities which I have purchased,
but have elected not to upgrade to their Intel versions.

The other ports on the KVM-A go to Core i- or Xeon-based hackintoshes
running 10.8.5.

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Re: SATA Internal HD for G5

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> It's only the 4TB flavor which is 5900 RPM. The 3TB and lower speeds
> are, I believe, all 7200 RPM. At any rate, that's what newegg claims
> in the chart they have on their product page for these drives.

I stand corrected, sort of.

It is indeed the 4 TB which is Desktop.

The others, at least those which are 7200 rpm (there DO exist Seagate 3 TB
drives which are NOT 7200 rpm, and those are apparently also Desktop) are
called 7200.14. Most probably from the 14th incarnation of a 7200 rpm
drive family, that which was formerly known as Barracuda.

So, at this moment, there are these drives "Desktop HDD.15" 4 TB, 5900 rpm
and "   7200.14", all others from 3 TB down, and all of those are 7200 rpm.



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Re: SATA Internal HD for G5

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> Hitachi and Seagate are my choice in the 7200 64MB. Never had a Hitachi go
> yet, but I'm sure someday one will.
> Newegg most times has the best price, look for the weekly sales:-)

Seagate has, unfortunately, elected to abandon the justifiably famous
Barracuda trademark for its drives.

Originally a super-high performance SCSI drive, the internal technology
was subsequently extended to IDE and SATA drives.

The 3 TB 5,900 rpm drives in the former Barracuda family are now called
"desktop" drives.

The 2 TB 7,200 rpm and smaller capacity drives are from the same family as
the 3 TB, but with fewer platters and, obviously, higher spindle speed.

The 2 TB and smaller drives are referred to as "desktop drives, formerly
called Barracuda".

A few true Barracuda drives are still available, but these are not from
the "desktop drives, formerly called Barracuda" family.



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Re: SATA Internal HD for G5

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> You might look at a used several years old velociraptor on the popular
> auction site. Otherwise any 7200rpm drive should do just fine for you.
> Personally I've had drives from every maker except Samsung fail, but it is
> probably only a matter of time for them too.

Noboby makes flawless drives, as all drives, but perhaps most particularly
WD's, are made to low price-points (exception: so-called "enterprise"
drives, which are built to a much higher price- and performance-point).

Samsung is now owned by Seagate.


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Re: Airport Card not detected on PowerMac G4 MDD

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> Is an Airport base station necessary for the Airport card to be
> detected? I do not yet have one.

Airport is simply Apple's registered trademark for its implementation of
the internationally standardized 802.11.

There are at least four variations: 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g and 802.11n.

802.11a is so very old that most later cards support only 802.11b and
802.11g, the so-called 802.11b/g cards.

The newest card also supports 802.11n.

However, when Broadcom redesigned its card for 802.11n, it made it an
802.11a/b/g/n card.

I believe the earliest airport cards, the ones which are a "shortie"
PCMCIA card, are 802.11a, only, and that is probably why one might think
these can only work with an Apple Airport "access point", as by that time,
everyone (Cisco, and a great many others) had already moved beyond 802.11a
and were supporting 802.11b and 802.11n, but NOT 802.11a.

802.11a is a poor design, which is undoubtedly why later "adopters"
eschewed Apple's preferred 802.11a, and went immediately with 802.11b or b
and n.

Most WiFi USB dongles are 802.11b/n, and some of these are so highly
integrated that these can be made using only one LSI chip (Realtek),
whereas before, these required at least two chips (protocol chip and a
transmitter/receiver chip, as in the formerly ubiquitous ZyDas products).



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Re: Dead G5 dual 1.8 tower

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> This is Apple's guide:
>  which shows
> what looks like a CR3032-type button cell, but iFixit has photos of a
> motherboard showing a half-aa Lithium 3.6V cell
> 

Most legacy Macs have a 1/2 AA.

Most legacy PCs have a CR2032.



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Re: Dead G5 dual 1.8 tower

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> I put my G5 tower in storage for 7 months while I was away. I'm back now
> and when I attempted to power on the machine, it is dead as a doorstop. No
> power LED, no fan spinning - absolutely dead. I tried different power
> cables, confirmed wall power receptacle is good, still no go. BTW the
> machine had absolutely no issues prior to storage. Please help.

The 3.6 volt lithium battery which is used to retain the contents of the
CMOS over time may have run out of life.

It is a special lithium battery which is trickle-charged by the machine's
PSU when it is not in use.

If stored away for a long time, without being plugged into the wall, the
self-resistance of the battery will cause it to drain down towards zero.
The machine will seldom start with a drained-down battery.

Also, the cell is nominally 3.6 volts (nameplate), but it is usually 3.68
volts, when new, and it retains voltage that for quite a long time.

Such batteries are considered "dead" when the voltage reaches 3.2 volts,
but many machines will still work properly, although not with 100 percent
reliability, when the battery reaches 3.0 volts. Below 3.0 volts should be
considered "really and truly dead".

Every battery company seems to make these 1/2 AA lithium batteries.

You can get them for $5 or so at Radio Shack.

Good "pulls", from used Macs, at electronics recyclers, can also give a
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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

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> what i did was de-solder the faulty regulator and attached 3 wires to the
> 3
> contacts on the board the old regulator was soldered to.  then i soldered
> the new voltage regulator to the proper one of the 3 new wires, wrapped
> the
> contacts with electrical tape, and taped it to a spot in the monitor case
> where there was sufficient room.
>
> this isn't for the faint of heart, but if you know your way around a
> soldering iron (low wattage) and have the nerve to open the case, this
> might be your fix.

"Remoting" the voltage regulator is generally OK, providing:

1) the leads are short, or

2) should the leads be long, you also include stability-improving caps
directly on the V.R., and

3) you "encapsulate" the composite assembly in heat shrink tubing.

Back in the bad old days, such V.R.s were generally made in + and - 5
volts and + and - 12 volts. Today, + 3.3 volts is also to be found.

No matter, the various manufacturers (National Semi was once at the
forefront of these developments, as they had Bob Widlar, arguably the
finest "linear" IC developer in the history of Silly-cone Valley) now
provide other voltages, and often some are available in really out-sized 3
and 5 amp versions in modified TO-3 packages, generally identified as
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Re: Web sites suddenly blocked

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> The specified DNS can be changed (which is another subject) however the
> DNS
> is by default set by your internet provider.
>
> The default DNS can be reset by reseting your internet box.

A lot of folks ELECT to use a secondary DNS as their primary DNS as that
secondary DNS offers improved resistance to and/or protection from spam
and access to suspicious sites.

Sure, your ISP will automatically give you access to two or more of THEIR
DNSes, but you are not required to use these to resolve your net accesses.

Heck, you can even operate your own DNS. Or use a DNS which is not one of
yours.

At one point, I had several TLDs registered with one of the "usual
suspects". Then I switched all my new business to another.

Yet, I forgot to change the DNSes on those previously registered TLDs.

I was, thereby, able to maintain the same level of service as I had before
(email forwarding, etcetera), with the old registrar, yet I was no longer
one of their customers.

After I discovered this oversight on my part, I changed the name servers
to point to the new ones, and those problems went away.


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Re: DT Beige G3 to Sonnet G4 upgrade

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>>> Beige G3's are REALLY finicky.

When the IDE system gets totally fouled-up, and won't respond in any
reasonable way, the only solution is to do a Cmd-Opt-P-R (reset the PRAM
contents).

However ...

This keyboard sequence most often DOES NOT WORK the FIRST time. And often
not the SECOND, either.

Therefore, it is most often necessary to make the machine go through FIVE
Cmd-Opt-P-R sequences, listening for the sound in the speaker each time.

Then, after the fifth sound, release the keys and the machine should be
totally reset.

This strangeness was first discovered when attempting to install an
official pre-release of OS X on my 300 MHz Beige G3 (machine revision 3C
... logic board revision 3; ROM revision C).

The machine was so screwed-up by the (failed) OS X installation that it
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Re: CPU upgrades for Beige G3 DT

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> My 300MHz Beige G3 minitower -- which I passed on to a new home last
> November -- had a Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/500MHz Processor Upgrade. IIRC, the
> upgrade was was easy, and it certainly made for a great OS 9 experience.

500 and 533 MHz were offered by various companies.

The Beige is somewhat unique in having a selectable bus speed, and the
processor's speed is a selectable multiplier above that bus speed.

It is all encoded on that jumper block which goes with the motherboard.



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Re: Max RAM for a G5?

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> You're reading this WRONG, there's no such thing as 4 GB modules, this
> is for TWO 2 GB modules, a MATCHED PAIR (2 x 2GB = 4GB).

Indeed so.

Manufacturers now specify the TOTAL amount of RAM contained in a RETAIL
package.

Example: a two stick package may be stated to be 4 GB, and the RAM will
indeed be marked 4 GB, but it will also state 2 x 2 GB.

Another example: a three stick package (for, say, an X79 system) may be
stated to be 6 GB, and the RAM will indeed be marked 6 GB, but it will
also state 3 x 2 GB.

I have quite a few so-called "6 GB sticks".

The precise language printed on EACH stick in a set of sticks is:

1333 MHz 6 GB (3 x 2 GB) 9-9-9-24 1.50 V ver 2.12



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Re: Max RAM for a G5?

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> I have a G5 Dual Core (2.0) (Late 2005, M9590LL/A, PowerMac 11,2) that has
> eight memory slots. EveryMac says that this G-5 is maxed out at 16 GB of
> memory. Mine has 8 GB right now (1 GB chip in each slot).
>
> Does that mean that if you put more than 16 GB in the memory slots, it
> will
> only recognize or use 16? I heard that you can sometimes put more memory
> in
> some G5s than Apple claimed was the limit. Is this G5 one of those?
>
> Say I were to put 4 GB chips in four of the slots, I'd get 16 GB of RAM
> from those, and there would still be four slots with 1 GB in them. Would
> this Mac then recognize 20 GB of RAM, or only 16?

2 GB sticks were the largest which were made (or are presently in stock of
PC2-4200 RAM).

2 GB * 8 slots = 16 GB, which matches Apple's spec.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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> If you decide to
> replace the fan be sure and save the power plug, my new fan came without
> a plug.

Fans from electronics parts stores come with "tinned" (i.e., ready to
solder) leads, never with connectors.

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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> My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU
> cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).
>
> Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?
>
> Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)

It is a generic fan.

You will have to obtain a generic replacement and cut the connector and
cable off of the failed fan and solder it onto the replacement.

These fans are 12 volts, dc.



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Re: Wireless router set-up

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> I have a G4 Sawtooth and a G4 Powerbook both running OS X 10.4.11. I have
> a
> "naked" DSL line and my ISP is Verizon. Recently I received a Actiontec
> GT784 modem/router. I wish to use wired Ethernet on the Sawtooth and
> Wireless on the Powerbook. The physical connection is very
> straightforward,
> however I cannot connect to the Internet. The ISP provides no manual or
> instructions. An help is appreciated

In general, the WAN side (to your ISP) is directly connected.

The LAN side (to your Intranet) can be wired AND wireless.

Simply go into your router's setup panel, usually by directing your
browser to 192.168.1.1, and establish your wireless protection means, with
WPA or WPA2 being recommended.

Select strong passwords/passphrases for BOTH the admin access to your
router AND general access to the same.

There are very good pseudo-random number generators available to assist you.

Gibson Research Corporation ...

https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

... is one.


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Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot

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> TMI-Sometimes booting 2nd HDs can be problematic on Beige, there is
> one ROM version (A) that doesn't support any slave drive booting,
> although XPF can boot slave drives on normally early Beige with ROM A
> by using a bootable master HD as an XPF Helper Drive. Later ROM B & C
> can boot both master & slave. You can place newer B & C ROMs into
> older Beige. It's a little complicated because there were three ROMs
> (A, B, & C) and three hardware revisions of Beige (1, 2, & 3) and the
> ROMs mostly matched up with the models revisions, but if you really
> wanted the fastest possible Beige you probably wanted an early Rev.1
> model that had an overclockable System bus which was determined by the
> "Grackle" chip (blue colored chip on motherboard). Most Rev.1's had
> Grackle chips capable of overclocking from 66MHz System Bus to 83MHz,
> but the Rev.2&3 had slower Grackle chips that were not capable of
> overclocking. The fastest possible Beige would be a Rev.1 Beige w/fast
> Grackle with a version B or C ROM chip so you could boot all internal
> devices and overclock the System bus to 83MHz.

Normal builds were Rev. 1A (Rev. 1 mobo and Rev. A ROM), Rev. 2B (Rev. 2
mobo and Rev. B ROM) and Rev. 3C (Rev. 3 mobo and Rev. C ROM).

B and C ROMs provide essentially the same functionality (mainly support
for slave IDE drives).

Rev. C ROMs corrected a bug in the video support which was present in Rev.
A and C ROMs.

The fastest and best configuration would be Rev. 1C.

Occasionally, Apple would respond to a customer complaint for lack of
slave support on Rev. 1A machines, which were usually 266 MHz examples, by
supplying a Rev. B ROM on an exchange basis.

Machines with Rev. A ROMs which also have a factory Zip drive will have a
SCSI Zip, which is why the Beige PSUs have BOTH a standard Molex and a
miniature Molex power connector. The SCSI Zips required the miniature
connector; the IDE Zips required the standard connector.

The early Beiges were really a "perfect storm": Apple initially couldn't
figure out how to properly support slave drives, and Iomega initially
couldn't figure out how to make its Zip drives work as slaves. So, there
was some overlap between the availability of slave support from Apple, and
the necessity for SCSI Zips.

Even after slave support was available from Apple, Apple only provided
master cables for the hard drive bus.

At one point some years ago, my company manufactured combo master and
slave hard drive bus cables. Quite a number were sold. The solutions for
Mini Tower, Desktop and All-in-One combo master/slave hard drive cables
were quite different.

Every one of my cables were tested and passed at UATA/33 (33 MB/sec), even
though the Beige IDE buses were limited to 16.67 MB/sec by the host
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Re: new dvd burner for G4

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> I'm looking for a new DVD burner for my Mac G4.

Months ago, most manufacturers of IDE-attached DVD burners stopped
production.

I use Lite-On IDE burners in a set-top box hard disk recorder. Due to poor
cooling, these last about two years, with, first, the burner function
failing, and, second, the reader function failing.

My Macs, the few that haven't been replaced by Hacks, started out with
Pioneer burners.

One or more of these were replaced with Sony Optiarc drives before those
became unavailable.

One of my Hacks (a Shuttle) had an IDE burner as I decided to use IDE for
internal drives, thereby retaining the two SATA ports for eSATA (using a
cable and bracket kit).

That burner was pulled and went into my set top box.

You'll have to search about for someone with "new old stock" IDE burners.
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Re: Prepping a G4/10.5.8 for sale

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> Questions:
> 1. Can I do this from Disk Utility or do I need other software to proceed?
> 2. What are the steps I need to follow to proceed?

Should you want to prepare the machine for a new user, so s/he has to go
through the process of adding a user and password, the following process
may be used (this also works should you forget your own password):

1) boot the machine into single user mode using CMD-s,

2) enter the command fsck -fy

3) enter the command mount -uw /

4) enter the command rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

5) enter the command shutdown -h now

The machine will power itself off.

The next time the machine is powered on, OS X will enter the user and
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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ...

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> Just grasping at straws, before I buy a $50 cpu replacement to try.

I simply updated to a dual 1.42 GHz MDD, $86 delivered from LEM seller
RMARTIN.

It has performed flawlessly.



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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ...

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> That wouldn't make the L3 cache appear / disappear from the Hardware
> list, would it?

No, it would not.

But, the L3 cache chips were somewhat notorious for failing for no
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Re: Q: Airport compatible PCMCIA-WLAN card with WPA2+AES support?

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>> The card with a stick-on label "VER.2000" is definitely OS X-compatible.
>>
>> I believe there may be one other F5D7010 version which is OS
>> X-compatible.
>>
>> All the others are not.
>
> Do you know if it supports WPA2 and AES/PSK?

My recollection is it was too early for the WPA2 specification.

I no longer use PCMCIA or Cardbus cards ... I prefer to use USB 2.0 or
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Re: Q: Airport compatible PCMCIA-WLAN card with WPA2+AES support?

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> USB1.1 doesn’t seem suitable, and I haven’t heard of a FW400 WiFi solution
> yet.
>
> Really, the PCMCIA slot seems to be the only way to add WiFi.

The card with a stick-on label "VER.2000" is definitely OS X-compatible.

I believe there may be one other F5D7010 version which is OS X-compatible.

All the others are not.

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Re: Q: Airport compatible PCMCIA-WLAN card with WPA2+AES support?

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> A much better alternative, for my money, are the various USB 2.0 cards.
>
> The grand-daddy of them all is the ZyDas 1211b ...
>
> http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20070523154246381
>
> ... which has drivers available for G-series and I-series versions of OS
> X. It has an internal antenna.

Of the two drivers ...

ftp://ftp.zyxeltech.de/ZyDAS/ZD1211_USB/Macintosh/

... the better of the two is the 4.5.7.0 version.



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Re: Q: Airport compatible PCMCIA-WLAN card with WPA2+AES support?

[peterhaas]

> I’ve found this:
> http://lowendmac.com/macdan/md09/mac-wifi-pc-card.htm
>
> The Belkin F5D7011 (801.11g) using the Broadcom chip looks like a suitable
> candidate to me, but it is not clarified yet whether it will support WPA2.
>
> Also, I’ve heard that Belkin (like any other manufactorer) might change
> which
> chip is used in a model. If I buy an F5D7011 it is not certain that it
> acually
> uses the Broadcom wireless chip.

Only a few of the several versions of the F5D7011 actually uses the
Broadcom chip and is, thereby, supported by the Apple driver.

A much better alternative, for my money, are the various USB 2.0 cards.

The grand-daddy of them all is the ZyDas 1211b ...

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20070523154246381

... which has drivers available for G-series and I-series versions of OS
X. It has an internal antenna.

However, now I tend to use the Rosewill RNX-N150UBE, which also has OS X
drivers and, additionally, has an external antenna for better reception.



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Re: Throwing in the Towel – CPU Upgrades

[peterhaas]

Just remember that the fastest G4 which was produced by IBM and/or Moto
(Freescale) was 1.42 GHz, and the so-called 1.5 GHz (to accommodate the
100 MHz bus case), and 1.6 GHz, ..., 2.0 GHz G4s are really 1.42 GHz chips
which have been purchased in bulk and then "die sorted" by the
manufacturer, usually with an extensive "burn in" process to confirm
operations (usually Photoshop, etcetera) with a higher-than-specification
clock speed.

IMO, Giga-Designs are the best of the "supercharged" dual core
replacements as they figured out how to layout a dual core processor card
which could be used in BOTH 100 MHz bus AND 133 MHz bus models (the
sockets are actually the same, but the orientation is quite different.

> There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may
> be
> bought at a reasonable price…
>
> Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer
> Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac.
>
> http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html
>
> It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a
> Mercury
> Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this:


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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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> Why bother with buying from China?

Because they are fresh stock with the latest firmware, and they cost only
a couple of bucks, delivered to any U.S. address.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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> Today, you can get a super-multi Lite-on for about $20.
>
> I use these in certain Hacks which, for reasons of ports, must use IDE
> hard and optical drives.

Available from MANY Hong Kong or Chinese eBay sellers are SATA-to-IDE
converters, which will allow a current generation SATA drive (of whatever
type) to appear to be PATA (IDE) to the host.

AN advantage of these converters is (are):

1) the PATA interface is 80-wire/40-pin, which has been used on Apple
products from the Blue and White G3, and on all later models,

2) "large" drives are supported, and

3) only one power connection is required as the adapter receives all
power, and it distributes it to both to the adapter itself AND to the
drive.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

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> A few years ago, my stock super drive stopped
> working so I put in a new pioneer unit.

In that time-frame, Pioneer was about the best there was.

Today, you can get a super-multi Lite-on for about $20.

I use these in certain Hacks which, for reasons of ports, must use IDE
hard and optical drives.



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Re: Linux question

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>>> Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both
>>> sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on
>>> the BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there)

Apple discloses this lineage in OS X pretty plainly.

List the "extensions" and you will find "BSDKernel". It may, indeed, be
the mach_kernel, but it is called what it is, and it has UC Regents
copyrights going back to before there every was a Macintosh in Steve Jobs'
vision.



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Re: Linux question

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> Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for
> OS X and for the iPhone OS.

Perhaps true, but Apple Inc acknowledges The Regents of The University of
California's copyrights, within the kernel itself, and possibly other
components.



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Re: Linux question

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> Apple itself also uses a lot of OSS in the depth of Mac OS X. Just the
> GUI, “Aqua”, and the applications are closed source by Apple.
> Even the browser uses OSS: WebKit.

Indeed so, including much of the OS X kernel, which predates the founding
of Apple Inc (formerly Apple Computer Inc) by several years.

Just invoke, say, on a Hackintosh, OS X using the -v (verbose) boot
option, and you will immediately see the BSD (Berkeley Standard
Distribution) copyright, "Copyright by The Regents of The University of
California", and an exhaustive list of copyright years, many of which
pre-date the founding of Apple itself.

Apple Inc chose to encrypt its copy of the BSD kernel, but knowledgeable
hackers soon discovered the decryption key, often termed "The Poem", which
allows a Hackintosh to decrypt Apple Inc's OS X kernel. ANY OF THEM!

Indeed, the stability of Apple Inc's OS X kernel has allowed the VERY easy
generation of derivative kernels, for, say, Intel Atom processors (all OS
X versions, certainly up to and including 10.8) or for, say, Pentium 4
processors (OS X versions up to and including 10.6), and, sometimes, for
non-Intel processors, say, AMD processors.

It should perhaps come as no surprise that many of these efforts come from
off-shore nations, where Apple Inc's products are deemed "too expensive",
or even "exorbitantly expensive", yet the somewhat simple (i.e. Intel chip
sets and processors), and often somewhat difficult (i.e., AMD chip sets
and processors), so-called "hacks" have, indeed, been accomplished.

Just Google it!




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Re: Quicksilver "big drive" mystery solved

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> A tip of the hat to the Mac OS 9 Lives website for getting to the bottom
> of a mystery.

A number of G4 motherboards, other than those mentioned, are internally
capable of LBA48 operation, and "persistently", too.

The "LBA48 Property" (which see, just Google it) may be persistently added
just about every QS 2001 and earlier G4 which I have personally had
experience with.

Whenever it (the drive's capability for >120 MB drives, which limit is
actually more like 131,072 MB, that is) has been detected it is necessary
to ship TWO packets of information to the drive to access the area greater
than can be defined by one packet.

The lower 128 MB is specified in the first packet; the remainder is
specified in the second packet.

The large drives are expecting TWO packets, but their firmware is designed
with a "legacy" mode which will only require ONE packet, hence why these
large and very large drives (up to 750 GB) work well as virtual 128 GB
drives.

Now, there are THREE versions of the LBA48 Property, depending upon
whether the the ATA bus controller is ATA-6, ATA-5 or ATA-4.

On most Macs, the hard drive bus is the faster of the two.

So, for a QS 2001 without the special motherboard revision, you would
apply the ATA-6 patch AND the ATA-5 patch, and that would give you full
large drive support on both buses. At least until the PRAM has been reset,
in which instance you must go back and add the LBA48 Property again.

But, the two buses (or only one, if you so desire) are indeed persistent
as the properties have actually been added to the PRAM of the motherboard.

For best compatibility, in case the LBA48 Property has been lost, it is
best to size your primary boot partition as 131,072 MB, or less. This
makes the boot partition accessible with a single packet, as described
above, and everything thereafter becomes accessible using dual packets, so
you can still recover from an inadvertent Cmd-Opt-P-R.

I have run some of my QS 2001 machines for years using this technique, or
Intech's "large drive" support extension.

The sheer beauty of the LBA48 property is it is already in the ROM, so you
may indeed boot from a very large partition.

With Intech's Hi-Cap extension, the capability of accessing very large
partitions is available only after OS X has been successfully booted,
therefor it is not usable for the boot partition itself.



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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

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> After just sitting for a year, my first guess would be the PRAM battery,
> but there could be a number of other things.

Nominally 3.6 volts, these usually measure 3.68 volts when brand-new.

Although many Macs will run properly when the PRAM battery voltage has
reduced to 3.0 volts, these batteries should be considered "dead" when the
voltage has reduced to 3.2 volts.

These 1/2 AA-sized batteries are stocked almost everywhere. Radio Shack
has them if nobody else does.

These are made by many battery manufacturers all over the World.

My own "fave" is the Maxell (Japan), but Tadiran (Israel) and SAFT
(France) are good, too.


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Re: external wireless device for mac mini

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> my mac mini has no wireless device installed. I need an external device.
> Can anyone recommend one?

I use a Rosewill (NewEgg's "captive" brand) RNX-N150UBE.

It comes with a detachable antenna and drivers are available for most
OSes, certainly including OS X (MacOS X's "new" name).

Works on true Macs as well as Hacks.

The RNX-N150UBE is 802.11b/g/n compatible and the manufacturer supports it
pretty well. I believe it is Realtek.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166055&Tpk=RNX-N150UBE


> Cheryl Harris
> Tehachapi, CA

Home of the justifiably famous Tehachapi Loop on the Southern Pacific RR
(now Union Pacific RR).


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Re: Selling software?

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>> I'd wager that probably half or more of all the audio CD's
>> available in used record shops live on as audio files on the
>> previous owner's computer (or computers, depending on how many
>> times they've changed hands).

Sure, and the "usual suspect" resellers of these "used" CDs and DVDs get
it coming and going.

They (often) pay 25 percent of the customary price for a used (but
original media and packaging) item and then immediately resell it for 50
percent.

It doesn't take too many "turns" to make a tidy sum, each "turn" of which
completely bypasses the original manufacturer (BMI, et. al.)

If you are a "thrift shop", you usually get the item for free, and may
sell it for 33 percent of the customary price.



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Re: Selling software?

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> Personally, like most folks, probably, my collection is a mixture of
> physical and digitally sourced software and media. Yes Apple could decide
> that I don't deserve my music and try to prevent me from playing it, but
> only in iTunes and since it's a format that can be played in other players
> (AAC is an open standard) So what, I have my backups.

I have NO IDEA, nor can I be expected to be cognizant of the prior ripping
of the media which I have purchased.


> In fact my physical media is more vulnerable to loss than my digital,
> since I have offsite backups of my digital media.

A-men to that.

Which is why I keep several copies (one is primary) on disk, and the
physical media in a "media safe".



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Re: Selling software?

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> Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t buy *a* *thing* that is sold without a
> media
> or printed envelope and I dislike anything without a printed manual.

Same here.


> I’m still buying Audio CDs. I do use iTunes on the Cube and I even have an
> iTunes account, but since I only use ripped tracks (from the CDs) its sole
> purpose is to get the album covers downloaded.

I usually buy USED CDs. The original media ONLY, of course, and usually
with the original covers and liner notes (if any). Many times, the
original "jewel case" has been replaced. No worries.

The local "used" bookstore carries nearly everything of interest, usually
at 50 percent of new list price. Sometimes less, for "close-out" items.
(Interestingly, they DO NOT carry "used" software).

ALL my CDs have been ripped and stored on my server for my use, only.

The same with ALL my DVDs.

All ORIGINAL media has been stored in a "media safe".


> Am I a fossil of the pre-internet&pre-digital-content age?

Perhaps, but there are millions if not billions more of you (us).


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Re: Selling software?

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> Funny thing is, anywhere in the UK there are "charity shops" where you
> find
> anything donated and for sale, books included.
>
> How this situation comply with the law mentioned above?

> Is perhaps that law obsolete?

Laws have changed with many of the changes being self-serving, such as the
so-called "Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act" which "served" Walt
Disney Company by extending the copyright on Mickey Mouse, and others, as
these were about to go "public domain".

It is possible  that an exemption exists for "charity shops" as who, in
all good conscience, would expect a subsistance-living person to pay the
retail price, again, for what is really a "used" book.

I personally know quite a number of very wealthy persons for whom
so-called "thrift shops" serve as a source of used, but still quite
serviceable, high-fashion apparel of all kinds.

These same folks often buy Mercedes-Benz and other high-end cars on the
used market, thereby saving considerably, as someone else has already paid
for the first several years' depreciation.

Some of those folks who have M-B 240D and 300SD cars are still driving
them, and a 240D could be 35 years old.



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Re: Selling software?

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> That depends on the current legal practice in your country, I guess.
>
> I come from Austria: in a lot of European countries it is the law that you
> are
> allowed to resell software that you purchased, whatever an EULA may tell
> you.

Printed books are possibly a good model for software (which often
incorporates a printed or printable manual with the product).

British law held that books may not be resold or transferred to others as
this prevention of resale or transfer served to preserve the income stream
for the publisher, and the royalties payable to the author, as another
user was required to buy yet another copy of the book for his use.

American law held that the initial sale of books resulted in a complete
transfer with no further obligation to the publisher or author, therefore
there was no intent to preserve the income stream to the publisher or
author during any subsequent use.


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Re: refurbishing my new (to me) Dual 1ghz Quicksilver G4

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> At my wit's end, I figured I would have to swap out video cards from my
> other G4 (466 DA) to narrow it down. Before trying that, I popped the
> heatsink off to inspect the processors. They were caked in dust just as
> the rest of the unit had been, and their thermal pads and grease were
> burned away.
>
> I applied Arctic Silver and hoped for the best.
>
> It turns out that was the trick! The processors had been overheating. This
> monster is now maxed out with RAM, with various PCI cards, and running my
> programs like a champ!
>
> The whole debugging process took about 2 weeks.

I am a firm believer in Arctic Silver's products:

1) Cleaner (removes old heat-transfer goop pretty well),

2) Purifier (removes the remaining goop, the cleaner, and prepares the
heat sink and the processor for the new heat transfer goop), and

3) the heat transfer goop itself.

There are better products on the market, namely the ones which feature
diamond dust (turns out diamonds are an excellent heat conductor, and this
measurable property is used to identify real and fake diamonds), but the
Arctic Silver product works in almost all cases.



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Re: Power mac g3 (B&W) memory upgrade

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> AFAIK, ECC memory won't work in your G3 (I think this is true for most
> PowerMacs).

G3 Beige is PC66.

G3 B&W and gigabit E-nets are PC100.

DA and QS are PC133.

All require unbuffered, non-ECC, low density RAM.

Parity, if present, will be ignored.



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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

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> Thanks again for the responses ..  I assume the PSU fan is 80 x 80 x 25
> mm,
> at least 32 cfm?   Any restrictions on current draw at 12 v?

Nope. The fan is supplied off of the +12 volt bus, which is common to all
+12 volt devices, such as HD, and, indeed, CPUs in Intel Macs.

I have ... in an earlier lifetime ... "resurrected" many an Apple Network
Server PSU simply by substituting a generic 12 volt fan unit for the
original, failed one.

These 12 volt dc fans, and the very much quite similar 120 volt ac and 240
volt ac fans, are made world-wide, and most PSU or system manufacturers
simply buy whichever one is the lowest cost, at that particular moment in
time.

Not a lot of "rocket science" is involved in cooling fan selection.



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Re: Excessive fan noise - Quicksilver 2002

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> I know that you replaced your fan, Peter, has anyone replaced the full
> PSU?  If so, how difficult is it?

No, not difficult.

The three Allen screws on the outside are metric, not Imperial.

The threads are M3.5-0.6, too, so DO NOT make a mistake and assume they
are the much more common #6-32.

The internal screws are also M3.5-0.6.

Once the PSU is out, you can replace just the fan by cutting off the cable
which terminates in a proprietary connector on the PSU's printed circuit
board and soldering it on to the replacement fan. Insulate with
heat-shrinkable tubing.

It is a 12 volt fan of a conventional size. Just get the same size as a
replacement.


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Re: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/6962b21faa23de6

[peterhaas]

> You're looking at a card which plugs into a PCI slot and provides ATA/
> IDE interfaces for drives.   Those, the 6280M and the 6880M are
> sometimes available on Ebay for about $30 - $50.   The 6880M is like
> the 6280M, except that it supports RAID 0 and RAID 1.

The 6280M (any variation) is a non-RAID adapter with Mac firmware (known
to work with PPC Macs ... most likely won't work with Intel Macs).

The 6880M (any variation) is a RAID adapter with Mac firmware (same
comments as above).

Unlike Promise and many others which licensed their Mac firmware from
Firmtek, ACARD develops its own Mac firmware, which probably explains why
they were so soon to come out with LBA48 support in their own adapters,
whereas others came rather late to the LBA48 support scene.

The $30 card from eBay (a Hong Kong seller, IIRC) is a PCI card which is
at home in a G-series Mac as these have the longer slot which this card
requires.

One internal UATA 100/133 port (supports LBA48 and two drives) and one
on-card space which accepts any ATA 2.5" drive (both mounting formats, the
early one and the present one). Drive power from the PCI bus.

This is the 6280MD, where the D suffix indicates support for an on-card
2.5" hard drive.

As usual, the attached drives are made to appear as SCSI by the ACARD
firmware.



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Re: Best wireless card for a G5?

[peterhaas]

> So, if i buy this mini USB adapter, I just plug it into any USB port
> on my G5 and I get wireless? It is the whole wireless card itself---
> not merely an adapter to plug some other wireless card into? Is it
> seen as Airport Extreme?

Most USB adapters come with Universal drivers (both PPC and Intel).

Most are 802.11b/g.

Of course, you must first install the driver for the adapter to work.


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Re: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/6962b21faa23de6

[peterhaas]

> I checked Acards' website yesterday for these very cards.  They wanted
> $89 for an PCI-ATA adapter.

That is not significantly different from their price nearly 15 years ago.

Over the years, one could get a 68-pin UW-SCSI adapter card (fits on the
back of an ATA drive, any size and capacity, although these were designed
for 1" high drives.

I used mine on 500 GB drives.

ACARD also made 50-pin SCSI versions, and a special version which was
designed for ATA optical drives and made it look like SCSI optical drives.

A downside of an ACARD adapter is it requires power, and the power
connector is a 4-pin floppy type.

The easiest way to power these and the attached drive is to buy a "Y"
cable intended for powering a pair of floppies and then change one of the
miniature Japan Molex floppy connectors for a U.S. Molex or U.S. AMP hard
drive connector.


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Re: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE?

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>> Not one that'll plug into the airport slot of a Pismo they can't...which
>> was my point. Those are Airport Extreme-compatible devices.
>
> I use a Aria extreme Wireless CardBus Card it plugs right in and uses the
> AirPort software. Way faster than the Apple Original AirPort b speed
> cards.

Correct ... none of these are true Airport-compatible (Cardbus form
factor, but not Cardbus-compatible, shorter and fit within the Airport
slot of many G-series Macs).

However, the many Broadcom cards, both in Mini-PCI and in Mini-PCI-e (long
and short) which ARE Apple software compatible, use Apple's Airport
Extreme drivers.

The early ones are generally 802.11b/g. The later ones are generally
802.11a/b/g. The latest ones are generally 802.11a/b/g/n and feature
AirDrop.

The cards are generally available from eBay sellers in China and Hong
Kong. The PCI-to-Mini-PCI adapters and the PCI-e-to-Mini-PCI-e adapters
and antennas are available from the same sources or their competitors.

If all you have is a legacy PCI slot, you are probably limited to Mini-PCI
cards and to 802.11b/g.

If you have a PCI-e slot, you are probably limited to Mini-PCI-e cards and
to 802.11a/b/g/n, with and without Airdrop.

The Broadcom 4322 card is amongst the most up-to-date.

The Broadcom 4311 card is probably the earliest I would use.

All of those I have purchased work OOTB with Apple's Airport Extreme drivers.


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Re: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE?

[peterhaas]

>> A few years ago there's were scores of them on Ebay for $30 - $40.
>> Now it is difficult to find one for under $150.  It's just two chips
>> and a few connectors on a tiny circuit board.  I don't know why it's
>> so darned expensive.
>
> The law of electronics supply and demand: things that are out of
> production tend to get very expensive if there's any demand, and it's
> hugely expensive to start up making something once you've stopped for any
> length of time, costing nearly as much as bringing up new devices.

ACARD apparently decided to get into the system business, forsaking the
SCSIDE business.

Besides, Firmtek, having grossly mis-estimating the licensing income from
Promise, and others, on its Mac-oriented firmware, decided to abandon the
IDE converter business it actually started, and get into the by then
emerging SATA converter business, in which it controlled BOTH the hardware
AND the firmware, thereby maximizing its income.

Anyway, CHANGE is always a moving target, and ACARD eventually priced
itself out of the converter business. But, the market had long before
dried up.


> Back when Apple stopped making the original Airport card, there were still
> a LOT of Macs in use that had a slot for one but didn't have a card, the
> price shot up to nearly $200.

Pretty much.

Now, anyone, anywhere, can get a "third-party Airport-compatible" card by
going to Hong Kong, via eBay, and buying a Broadcom 4111 and a mini-PCI
converter, or a 4318 or 4322 and a mini-PCI-e converter, all for under
$10, complete.

The 4322 is immediately "AirDrop compaible", too.



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Re: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE? ADD ON

[peterhaas]

>> I see a second ribbon connected to the MB that goes to the CD. This
>> socket on the second ribbon looks like a 'NORMAL" ATA, maybe this is a
>> more advanced form of SCSI or could it be ATA.
>
> The connectors on the motherboard are ATA; the connectors on the add-in
> card are two varieties of SCSI.

The Beige G3 only offered a maximum of 16.67 Mbps over the 40-wire/40-pin
ATA interfaces. The cables' wire spacing is 0.0500".

The B&W and all later G3 (and G4) offered, variously, 33 Mbps, or higher,
over the 80-wire/40-pin ATA interfaces. The cables' wire spacing is
0.0250".

This cable specification is identical in every respect, except for the
number of wires/pins, as the UW-SCSI cables, which are, variously, 50- or
68-wire/pin.

The UATA ports on B&W G3s, and later models, are all 80/40, although the
HD bus is usually rated twice the throughput as the optical bus.

50- and 68-wire cable stock is very easy to find.

More difficult to find is 80-wire. I have only seen one instance where a
roll of this cable was available at the "usual suspect" Silicon Valley
surplus sellers.

The 80/40 cable connectors, which are made in three colors, each with
different shorted or open pins (Host, Master and Slave), are equally hard
to find.




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Re: Fw: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE? ADD ON

[peterhaas]

> Making further inspection -- the SCSI ribbon connected to a FM socket
> inside the computer is from an added card (which by the way is not as long
> as the socket it is in) that has the following information on it:
> ULTRA2 SCSI LVD/SE
> KV9149TTGDCD
> AHA-2940U2B/
> MAC APPLE
> 1795500
> 9914
> This card also has a FM socket outside the computer that is still
> different.

Another writer stated that it was ATTO which made the UW-SCSI cards for
Apple.

Well, the above info matches what I have on my Adaptec Apple-branded
UW-SCSI LVD/SE card. (I also have a couple of ATTO cards).

The basic Adaptec AHA-2940 product was fitted with an Apple ROM and was
rebranded "AHA-2940U2B/Mac Apple".

Some rebranded Adaptec cards have DSub-25 external connectors, and these
are a pain in the you-know-what.

The rebranded Adapted cards with HD-50 or HD-68 external connectors are
generally good.



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Re: Fwd: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE?

[peterhaas]

> If the budget allows, the ACARD adapter might be a better choice. Once
> I clocked a 78mb SCSI drive vs an 80gb ide on an ACARD adapter to see
> how much faster the SCSI drive was. It wasn't, the 80gb on the adapter
> beat the SCSI drive by a good margin.

The ACARD product is available in several form factors.

Also in a carrier which screws on the bottom of a 1" drive and makes it
the equivalent of a "full height" drive, which is really one-half of the
height of a 5.25" drive.

The internal transfer rate is about 40 megabytes per second.

One reason why I went with the ACARD solution on my Beige G3 was the ACARD
firmware supported ANY sized UATA drive as a very early firmware update
provided LBA 48.

At various times I was using 160, 250, 400 and 500 GB drives on my Beige.

Two drives in the "basement", others in the tower.


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Re: Is SCSI DRIVE SAME AS UATA DRIVE?

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>> I have old G3 B&W with SCSI marked drive that is bad. I called OWC for
>> replacement and was told SCSI IS THE SAME AS ULTRA ATA DRIVE. I think
>> this
>> is wrong.
>
> Yup. They are completely different.
>
> However, the G3 *should* use an ATA drive normally, unless you have a SCSI
> card installed. Do you?

In certain B&W (and Beige) G3 models, SCSI drives were offered as an
option, which usually meant one or possibly two 9 GB Seagate drives and an
Adaptec, but Apple-ROMed, UW-SCSI controller.

At that time, SCSI was the performance option, and ATA was the low(er)
cost option.

The particular Adaptec controller used UW-SCSI drives, which have a 68-pin
interface for a 16-bit-wide data path. Traditional SCSI has a 50-pin
interface for an 8-bit-wide data path.

OWC may not be the best place to look for SCSI drives.

A possible alternative is the ACARD "SCSIDE" adapter, which allows you to
connect an Ultra ATA (UATA) drive of truly un-SCSI-like capacity (nearly
1,000 GB) to the Mac's SCSI controller.



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Re: Dual boot possible?

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>   I have to say it has been awhile since I have installed linux on that
> vintage of a PPC, and I can tell you it is ALOT of work.
>   First things first: You need to get a copy of BootX:
> http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/
>   This is the boot loader used for "OldWorld" macs that do not have open
> firmware ...

PCI Macs have Open Firmware * .

"Old World" goes up to and including certain G3 PowerMacs and PowerBooks
(generally, the Beige G3 and its relations).

"New World" is for PowerMacs and PowerBooks beyond those.

Dual booting of Linux and MacOS X has been successful with a number of
Linux distributions. Generally, the distribution includes a boot loader
which allows you to specify which of Linux, MacOS 9 or MacOS X you want to
boot.

Yellow Dog Linux had several distributions which were specific to a PPC
Mac Mini and these were quite good.

The same was true for distributions for the "Pismo" PowerBook.


* Even the ill-fated Apple Network Server featured O.F., although it was a
primitive version of O.F.

Not withstanding the primitiveness, Yellow Dog Linux had a least two
distributions which could support the ANS, and there are still a number of
web sites which run ANSes using YDL.

The ANS was never intended to run MacOS, not withstanding the fact that
most of its essentials were identical or nearly identical to a 9500/9600.


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Re: 35 pass erase

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> As a physicist working for the US Navy at a time well before the IBM
> peecee appeared, let alone Windows, we wanted to use the computers on
> Minuteman missiles that were being decommissioned. The idea was that
> everyone in the laboratory could have a machine on his desk as opposed to
> using a dumb terminal or flexowriter attached with an RS 232 pair to the
> big machine. Plenty of talent was available to handle the software.
>
> What a great idea that was not to happen.

A number of those were sold on the used market to all-comers.

Sometime, our government has NO IDEA that which is "strategic" and that
which is "surplus".

I kid you, not.



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Re: 35 pass erase

[peterhaas]

> The macintel list seems to be the one intel-based LEM list with decent
> traffic.

Pretty soon non-Ivy Bridge Intel Macs (and the Hack clones of pre-Ivy
Bridge) will go the way of the others, too.


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