Re: PRAM of MDD
> Sometimes I get a warning after startup of my MDD running Tiger that my > clock is not set right. I understand that's probably a PRAM battery problem. > > As my clock is set to be connected to the internet I always see the right > date and time. There are no other problems as far as I know. > > What problems are known to occur when a MDD has a weak PRAM battery? Is ist > absolutely necessary to change it? Thanks for your comments. PRAM stores things such as date and time, time zone, system volume settings and some networking settings such as AppleTalk. None of these are critical but they can be obnoxious if they get scrambled. Although OS X stores less in PRAM than OS 9 did, it is still important, and there may be other settings lost if your PRAM battery is low that you might not notice until later. The 1/2-AA style lithium battery that is used by most Power Macs is easy to find from electronics stores and Amazon, and costs only a few dollars. This is different from OpenFirmware NVRAM, which stores boot strings and other startup information in non-volatile RAM which is not battery-backed and is not affected by the PRAM battery. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- smit happens. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: My DA G4 died.
> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at > office max/depot whatever it is. I would > think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a > possibility? It would basically work, though some keys might be missing, and some keys on that keyboard might not map. > Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they both > use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet > ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the > bigger drives from the G4 in > the S900? Most Sonnet cards (which specific model?) do work in old beige Macs and are bootable in those systems, including with the classic Mac OS. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- 10% of computer users [use] Mac ... the top 10 percent. -- Douglas Adams --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Add normal floppy drive to Power Mac G4?
> > There is no connector on the board for a "normal" floppy. I've seen > > some folks shoehorn it into a USB enclosure in one of the 5.25" bays and > > connect that up, however. > > I am aware there is no floppy connector on the motherboard, but I wanted to > know if there is a cheap way to convert to IDE or add a floppy controller > card via PCI. IDE, no. There are ISA floppy controller cards, but I don't know of any PCI ones, let alone ones with Mac drivers. You really would be better off with a hacked-in USB approach. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Today's forecast is total crap! -- Strong Bad, "Homestar Runner" Menu #11 -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Add normal floppy drive to Power Mac G4?
> Hello, > I have an old Power Mac G4 Digital Audio, and I would like to add on a > floppy drive to read floppy disks I may find floating around. So I > purchased a floppy drive on eBay, but I realized that it has a normal > floppy drive connector. Is there any way I could connect this drive to my > G4 without buying a new drive or making this external? No. There is no connector on the board for a "normal" floppy. I've seen some folks shoehorn it into a USB enclosure in one of the 5.25" bays and connect that up, however. > Also, if I can get this working, is there anywhere I could get a Zip drive > bezel? I would not like to have to a) drill into my blank bezel, or b) have > no bezel on. Regrettably, probably only from another Mac of the same model. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Born free. Taxed to death. - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Preview app for Tiger 10.4.11
> I could print from Jaguar. Then I checked permissions on the Tiger volume > and there were lots of wrong permissions with the owner 501 instead of 0. > After fixing that I could print again. > > Owner 501, isn't that root? Thanks again. 501 is probably you. 0 is root. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- In memory of Commodore Business Machines (1954-1994) --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mavericks install
> This seems like a reason to install the newer OS X version. Mavericks > doesn't utilize code signing, so the entire system software is open to > malware attacks, whereas El Capitan has locked down system software No, Mavericks doesn't have *SIP*. Mavericks most definitely has Gatekeeper. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Birth, n.: The first and direst of all disasters. -- Ambrose Bierce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Network Troubles
> Software that's not compatible. TenFourFox is a great product, but it's > still not completely compatible with modern standards. With respect, I'm going to call crap on this remark. Please elucidate as to which standard it doesn't measure up on. With the exception of WebGL and OpenGL, which aren't supported on every system anyway, it supports everything Firefox 38 ESR does. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Don't wear rollerskates to a tug-of-war. -- Larry Wall - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: PowerMac G5 Quad Late 2005
Hi, to everyone I bought this machine very cheaply in AS-IS condition. A nice PowerMac G5 2.5Ghz Quad Late 2005 The machine doesnt boot or otherwise respond which are the most parts that could have failed PSU or mainboard? Do any LEDs light in the front? If yes, which ones? If not, PSU is my first suspect. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Last one in's a freemason! -- Old Timey Strong Bad #150 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: MDD Dual G4 Startup woes
But when I went to start it I got only a brief flicker of the power button light before__nothing. And subsequent attempts don__t even generate that much activity. My guess would be PS with the gradual fail and current lack of response - shouldn't be too expensive to try another though... I agree. My MDD power supply (the two failures I've had) failed in exactly the same way, with the same symptoms. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- TRUE HEADLINE: Morning-After Pill Decision Delayed - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple Mail questions
Other than installing a newer WebKit system-wide (which has stability issues), is there an easy way to point Mail to using a newer build? The newer builds are much faster at displaying image heavy messages. You could try to relink the binary from the command line with install_name_tool. On my 10.4.11 system, it is linked to /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit You could change this to point to another WebKit library with something like install_name_tool -change /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit /Foo/Bar/Bletch/NewWebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail However, I would back up your Mail.app first! No promises that this would work, YMMV, batteries not included, please see your physician for execution time lasting longer than four hours. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- :wq! --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mac OS 10.4.11 in 2012 Mac Mini, using VirtualBos as G5 emulator
How to run Mac OS 10.4.11 in 2012 Mac Mini, using VirtualBos as a PPC G5 emulator If you mean VirtualBox, VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, not PowerPC. You may be able to run 10.4.11 on VirtualBox, but it has to be the Intel version. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iMac G5/2ghz 20 random sleep
My iMac G5 OS X 10.4.11 has been running flawlessly for 11/2 yrs. Suddenly it randomly completely shuts down. I can start with power switch, but it soon shuts down again. I opened the case, cleaned thoroughly and inspected caps. All pristine. Power supply appears clean from outside.I am hesitant to open it. Does this indicate a PSU problem? Can it be replaced safely? First thing I'd think about is heat. Anything interesting in the system log? Usually if it's a heat-related shutdown, there will be a warning about over temperature status. Second thing would be, unfortunately, the PSU. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Do not use for personal hygiene. -- Actual label, toilet brush - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Digest for g3-5...@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic
They do offer updates for their older versions, so they may be willing to sell a copy http://www.alsoft.com/diskwarrior/supportdw21.html They do still sell it; I purchased one a few months ago. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Watch out, Citizens. Marx's tomb is a communist plot. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: emac in coma
My trusty eMac suddenly will not come to life. It was working fine when I powered it down to move it to another desk. It sat disconnect for almost 3 days and when it came time to power it up in the new location - nothing! No bong, no fan noise, no drive spin noise. _I have tested the end of the plug which goes into the body with a VOM and it does indeed have 117v. I have taken the bottom off, checked that the ram is seated, and pushed the PMU button to no avail. Any other ideas as to how to wake this guy up before I invest $$ at my friendly repair shop? I hate to say it, but this sounds suspiciously like the power supply. Some marginal caps may wake up if you leave them plugged in for a couple days. Unfortunately, the eMac power supply is (IIRC) integrated with the display and analogue assembly, so unless you are able to do a component level repair, you may be looking at finding a new machine. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- armadillo, n. the act of providing weapons to a Spanish pickle. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: emac in coma
One other suggestion: I dug out my service manual stack and the eMac manual suggests verifying the PMU battery and resetting it. You stated you reset it, but didn't mention the battery. None of their other suggestions recommend anything other than replacement, unfortunately. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. -- J. K. Galbraith - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Firewire gone awol
This G5 is late(October) 2005 with 8 ram slots - does it need to be a PCI-E card or will PCI do it? It needs to be PCIe. However, PCIe support is incomplete on Power Macs; any device connected to it will almost certainly not be bootable, let alone Target Disk Mode-capable. It should work once OS X is booted, though. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- LET'S GO FORWARD ... INTO THE PAST! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
Is the firewire 800 link separate from 400? System profiler only states up to 800 Mb/sec and then only after much wheel winding. Maybe a 6-9 cable will get me firewire? If the problem is with the 400 port, then the 800 might work. Since a 400-to-800 FW cable should be relatively cheap (and always handy), I'd give it a shoot. To shed more light on this: The FW800 and FW400 ports are separate ports connected to the same bus and same controller, so this will only work if the port is bad but the controller isn't. This is probably unlikely, especially since you say you had to do a lot of fiddling to even get the FW800 bus to appear at all. I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card should do. They're not very expensive. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- If the French were really intelligent, they'd speak English. -- W. Sheed --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. Then, politely, why is this being discussed on a PowerPC mailing list if we're not the intended audience? Meanwhile, Tenfourbird works very well for my purposes when I need an PPC OS X mail client (I am not the author, although they do use the patches from TenFourFox as a basis). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Remember, kids: for great justice take off every zig! -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Browser g4
That's right, Ten4Fox doesn't support plugins. From their wiki: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/PluginsNoLongerSupported --- [snip] not supported is right, but it can work if you're willing to take the risks This is no longer true for versions 19 and later (i.e., 24.2.0, the most current stable version). never could get java to work in version 7, haven't tried in this version yet Although 17 did have a separate setting for Java, I really don't recommend it; there are a number of drive-by exploits for Java which *will* work on a Power Mac. Flashblock/Flashback even works (the reason it doesn't appear to is only because the payload is x86; the actual exploit succeeds). I wonder if the problem is somewhere else though, installing a new browser shouldn't affect itunes, should it? No, it shouldn't. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- What's another word for thesaurus? - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Invalid Sibling Link?
I agree with Cameron Kaiser as to DiskWarrior ... Apple's stuff is very superficial, and DiskWarrior is the only worthwhile disk utility I've encountered (for OSX that is --- anyone remember LaCie's SilverLining?). Heh. I have Silverlining installed on my A/UX overclocked Q800 because the drive is too big for Apple's disk drivers. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- She loves ya! ... now what? -- True Lies - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Invalid Sibling Link?
The normal boot drive was not mounted and would not mount with Disk Utility. I ran Disk First Aid on the damaged volume and received the message: Invalid Sibling Link Volume Check Failed My HFS-fu is not as strong as it used to be, but this is (I believe) a problem with the B-tree. This is a job for DiskWarrior; Disk First Aid won't fix this. I do have have recent backup so I could erase the wayward volume and restore the data. Any ideas to get this guy up and running? Thanks --glen If you need to get up and running right away, then I'd do that. Otherwise, pick up a copy of DiskWarrior; Alsoft still sells PowerPC compatible versions all the way back to OS 9. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never trust a computer you can't lift. - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 iMac display swap?
I don't think the weight with a 17 would be an issue, but what about connectivity? Is the hardware the same at the goose neck? Would the MOBO be the same? I don't know about the motherboard, but Apple used at least two different kinds of displays, even within the same specific model. The necks also differ somewhat, but I don't know to what degree and I've never done this sort of surgery myself. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- TODAY'S DUMB TRUE HEADLINE: Enfield Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Invalid Sibling Link?
Try re-setting the PRAM That won't help a disk error. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Wherever I go, there's I AM. --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 iMac display swap?
Anyone know if I can fit a 17 display with housing to a iMac G4 that has an existing 15 display at the goose neck level? I'd be really careful about that. I'm not sure if the base is weighted enough for a 17 (I *know* it isn't for a 20). I still use a 15 because the 17 and 20 seem to be too much for the arm and the strings stretch over time. I see far more sagging displays on the bigger ones than on the 15. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- FORTUNE: Travel is important today. The IRS will arrive tomorrow. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G4 iMac display swap?
I still use a 15 because the 17 and 20 seem to be too much for the arm and the strings stretch over time. I see far more sagging displays on the *springs* -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- This is an Honour System Virus. Please delete all your files. Thank you. --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Your Browser has been locked up! Send $300 to...
If you do not click on anything, and force quit your browser the moment the stupid thing appears, you_re ok. There ARE Mac versions of these out there, I ran into one a couple years ago. But I would be extremely surprised if there is a PowerPC version (that actually works), and TenFourFox not only doesn't have any known drive-by download flaws in the current version, but it also does not auto-run or auto-mount files. I think the actual risk here is quite small. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy whilst finding a rock.-Tallyrand -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: ios7 growing pains
Since my eMac 125 is relegated to iTunes 10 as the maximum, and since Apple has dictated iTunes 11 or greater to be the only versions able to communicate with my newly installed ios7 on my phone, I am at a loss to figure how to get individual mp3s or play lists from my desktop to my phone. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Buy an Android phone. Seriously. I have to concur. I switched to Android with the Nexus One when iOS would no longer connect to iTunes 9. I've never looked back. Looking forward to the next Nexus (currently on a Galaxy Nexus). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? To get to the other ... uh ... -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Wireless Mouse Options for PowerPC G4
I think I've used it with Classic, but I'm not sure that I have. I dont see why it wouldn't work though since with Classic OS-X still handles all the I/O. P.S. I dont think the scroll wheel has ever worked for me (any mouse) under classic. Again, this is where I would get out USB Overdrive. It handles most standard scroll wheels beautifully. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Garbage in -- gospel out - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Wireless Mouse Options for PowerPC G4
Does anyone have a source/recommendation for a wireless laser mouse that will work on my G4 MDD running OS 10.5.8, OS 10.4.11, and Classic? In my experience, any USB mouse will work just fine in OSX. I mean, left and right click, and scroll wheel are recognized by default in OSX. In OS9, though, the right-click won't be recognized by default (you can use the standard Control-click to do that). I'm not sure about Classic: if the input is managed by OSX (as I think), it should be fine. Not typically. USB Overdrive is my recommendation for that situation. There is a freeware version of it for OS 9 floating around by permission of the original developer. It will work in Classic, and works well with my Microsoft laser mice in OS 9 also. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- END OF WHINE. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: TenFourFox: Firefox for PPC Macs
Nobody has done more to keep PowerPC Macs relevant than the TenFourFox team, which continues to port Firefox for OS X 10.4 and 10.5 users. Adam Albrec has gone the next step and created a launcher that will let you choose between the last version to support plugins and the newest version. http://goo.gl/ZEGn7Z Just so things are clear, and because I've already received a number of questions about it, let me make a clear official statement: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2013/08/lets-go-out-to-launch-gentle-position.html -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Sometimes Dilbert is so true, it's scary. -- Mike Jacobs --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mail corruption issue
Having to get Mail up and running, I copied my existing mail folder from Users/me/Library/mail to another disk and started Mail fresh. I tried importing the mail from the previous folder and it would crash upon opening after import. The main error message I see in crash log is: Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x8a7ad83d Which googling implies bad ram. No new ram installed in months, no other apps crashing. Bad RAM could cause this, but given your other problems, I suspect it's a simpler cause: your mailbox somehow got corrupt and it's causing Mail.app to freak out on the unexpected data. Unfortunately, unless someone else knows a shortcut for this , until the offending portion of the mailbox is deleted (hopefully a message and not some essential metadata) you probably have no choice but to manually go through each and every one of them. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- MOVIE IDEA: Blazing E-mail Signatures -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Unresponsive script warning on Facebook
Actually, you won't live happily for much longer. In 18, Mozilla removed the QuickDraw code, so that's that. Whatever TenFourFox.next is, there will be no plugins, period. That should also mean, if I get it correctly, that one can use TFF 17, enabling the plug-ins (if that's what he wants), and it'd work? The plugin will *start*. I hesitate to say *work*; I don't test the plugin code anymore. 17 will end support with the release of 17.0.10 (17.0.8 is due out this week). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- We learn from history that we don't learn from history. -- Desmond Tutu -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Unresponsive script warning on Facebook
I don't remember really, but doesn't TenFourFox support html5 videos--without extensions I mean? WebM is supported. 17 does not play WebM well on sub-G5 systems, but 22 performs rather better. Most YouTube SD WebM video seems to play acceptably on my 1GHz iMac G4. The QuickTime Enabler also allows selected HTML5 video, including H.264, to be played through QuickTime. Many YouTube videos will work with this. Finally, there are downloader add-ons that will fetch the raw .flv or .mp4 video stream, and these can be played in QuickTime (possibly with Perian) after they are downloaded. At least for YouTube, you can use MacTubes--real nice! Yes, MacTubes is a very good choice for YouTube. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- MOVIE IDEA: Raiders of the Lost E-mail Signature --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Unresponsive script warning on Facebook
Performance much improved, as well, although videos cannot be viewed as TenFourFox does not support plug-ins. IIRC, TenFourFox doesn't *officially* supports plug-ins, but you can enable them, and - with a bit of luck - live happily ever after. ;-) Actually, you won't live happily for much longer. In 18, Mozilla removed the QuickDraw code, so that's that. Whatever TenFourFox.next is, there will be no plugins, period. Remember, they haven't been supported since 6.0, so it's not like people haven't been warned. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- #include std_disclaimer.h -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Unresponsive script warning on Facebook
I get this message every time I try to use Facebook: A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. Script: https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/yw/r/eNJGemJDFDG.js:43 I'm on a PPC mac mini running 10.5.9, using TenFourFox as my browser. A friend said something about script runtime? I ran OnyX and cleared my cache and cookies. Didn't help. Works fine for me on an iBook G4... Make sure you have the latest version of TenFourFox, and make sure Javascript is enabled in Preferences? The latest version is always a good idea, but this FAQ entry specifically addresses the situation: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/AAATheFAQ#On_some_sites,_I_keep_getting_%22Unresponsive_script%22_er -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Actually, we can overcome gravity (just not the paperwork involved). --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Browers that don't crash
I try not to run videos. There is a flag in TenFourFox involving Flash, I think and i turned that either on or off from the default position so it can run Flash. There doesn't seem to be a problem when I go to youtube. Videos from CNN or Fox run slowly and gum up everything, so I stay away from those. The more this goes on the slower this Browser runs. It will quit suddenly for no apparent reason. I have to say for the record that enabling plugins in TenFourFox is an unsupported configuration precisely because of the situation you state. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Math according to Pentium: 2 / 2 = 1.037587439439485486372112039523781385 ... -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Browers that don't crash
I use Firefox 17.0.7. For the past couple of months Firefox quits all the time. I've steadily upgraded the thing but nothing changes. Sometimes I give up and try Safari again, but that quits too. I have a DA G4 running 10.4.11. Any suggestions, preferably none that cost money. If you're starting to see problems with all the browsers, are you sure you don't have a hardware issue starting to appear? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never explain, never apologise. -- John Arbuthnot Jackie Fisher -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: TenFourFox bookmarks
I had tried everything you told me already but nothing worked. My original Firefox (ver. 3.6.13) looks exactly the same like TenFourFox. I just opened it and it displayed the same tabs/windows that I had open when I quit TenFourFox. So I tried again to import the Safari bookmarks via the menu Import... and clicked Safari. Firefox told my it's done it but when I look in its Bookmarks menu I see a folder named Safari which is empty. No cigar. Also the site XE.com doesnt display its currency chart, in the chart field is the message that I need to enable JavaScript and need Flash. But all other sites display Flash videos OK and JavaScript is on. I cannot use most Extensions though. What is the difference between Firefox and TenFourFox? It doesn't seem faster than Firefox and videos play a lot worse than in Camino. Politely, I think you need to read the documentation. Almost all of the questions you asked are answered there. http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/ReleaseNotes1707 http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/AAATheFAQ You also need to make sure you are using the most current version; a Safari import bug was corrected some time ago. See http://tenfourfox.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/298-safair-bookmarks-wont-migrate There is a workaround on that page you can try. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- The whippings shall continue until morale improves. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: upgrade eMac
Use tenfourfox for your browser under 10.3.9. It is much better than Safari on PPC systems. Alas, TenFourFox will not run on 10.3. The lowest OS I support is 10.4.11. 10.3 lacks the secret CoreText which the font code relies upon, and the OS libraries are not advanced enough to support the browser as written. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: On Her Majesty's Secret Service -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Max RAM for a G5?
Say I were to put 4 GB chips in four of the slots, I'd get 16 GB of RAM from those, and there would still be four slots with 1 GB in them. Would this Mac then recognize 20 GB of RAM, or only 16? For that matter, what if I filled every one of those eight slots with 4 GB chips--would the Mac then recognize and use 32 GB? Besides what other people have mentioned about the *actual* DIMM sizes, if you are using a 32-bit application -- and I don't know of a 64-bit Final Cut for PPC, though I could be wrong -- the maximum addressing range of that app regardless of your actual RAM is 4GB. That said, OS X can map multiple 4GB ranges to multiple apps, so if you are running large numbers of simultaneous apps, then you might benefit from the extra RAM (but you'd benefit more by not running lots of simultaneous apps during time-critical operations ;). Also remember that the 4GB is a *range*, not an allocation; OS X only maps pages as they are actually used. So, as Clark said, I suspect your real problem is the CPU. The dual 2.0 was not an especially fast G5 even at the time and certainly not compared to the later models. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Room service? Send up a bigger room. -- Groucho Marx --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DT Beige G3 to Sonnet G4 upgrade
Has anyone here had any experience with installing a Sonnet G4 CPU 500Mhz upgrade? I have installed the Sonnet software on my current OS 9.2 and then powered down and installed a Sonnet G4 CPU in my DT Beige G3. On power up the monitor and disks come on, but no chime. The manual says nothing about having to pull installed PCI cards or the CUDA, PRAM battery or any of that, but I am wondering if some additional procedures might be necessary to make the G4 come to life on the mobo. At minimum you need to reset CUDA. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Reality is when it finally happens to you, too. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Are the G5 power supplies as bad as the G4 was?
Is the G5 PS failure rate as high as the MDD G4 series? G5 towers? no; in my experience those have been quite reliable. Well, let's say *more* reliable. My quad G5 is still running on the original PS (the MDD, OTOH, is on its third). But early G5 towers did have some PS issues, though the most notoriously unreliable G5s were, as you say, the iMacs. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- No matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up. -- Lily Tomlin --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web browser? I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often, I like the old school mailing list way of doing things. I have to say I agree. Mailing lists are convenient in a variety of ways that web fora are not. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- A witty saying proves nothing. -- Voltaire - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
A real problem is that some of the menu items don't display well in Classilla I noticed that, and I can certainly write a Byblos stele to tweak it, but I'm definitely not happy about the switch in general. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I think you underestimate the sneakiness. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Odd spam emails
I've been getting spam emails (that make it through Verizon;s otherwise pretty brutal filters) that have the NAMES of people I have email and facebook contact with, but the EMAIL ADDRESS is -not- from them. these are typical one-line come-on messages like hey! you need to look at this! lines followed by a URL. at first I thought these people's emails had been hacked and I was on that list but I'm wondering if there's any way it could be ME being hacked, either through my machines here (all macs) or through facebook...? No, it's probably them. Just don't click on the links. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Twenty-four hours in a day, twenty-four cans in a Pepsi cube. Coincidence? - -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: TenFourFox 19
Um... I don't use Firefox very often, so this is perhaps just a FF usage issue... With the bookmarks window open, I told it to import data from another browser. It listed Safari and all the items were checked. It finished in about 1 second. But then where did the bookmarks go? They're not showing up on that window or menu. It's a bug. I fixed this bug on 17.0.2 but forgot to backport it to 19. It will be fixed in 20. The workaround is do the import in 17.0.x, and then 19 will pick them up. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- When you're in love, the whole world is German! -- Hogan's Heroes -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 2.7 RAM upgrade.??
I decided to add RAM to my sons, my old G5, It was running 4 GB, 4 x 512 and 2 x 1 GB in 6 of the 8 slots. I added 2 x 1 GB to the two empty slots and it did not recognize the RAM. I removed the 2 x 1 GB and rebooted ... I got the 3 blinks on the power button. I shut dowand retsarted 30 seconds later and the same. We did not swap any of the RAM around, just added 1 GB to each slot 4. I have since removed ALL the RAM and inserted pairs . I still get the 3 blinks no matter which of the old pairs I put in. I can not get beyond the 3 blinking lights. 2005, G5, 2.7 dualie running 10.5.8. Three blinks indicates that no RAM has passed testing. It is possible, but unlikely, they somehow got zapped when you were moving them around. Be sure that you are counting the right number of flashes; one means no RAM is seen at all, and two means incompatible or incorrectly installed RAM. Make sure the RAM is paired in the slots from the center going outwards. If it already is, or that doesn't fix it, try resetting the logic board. Unplug the machine for at least two minutes and retry. If this is no good, open the side, remove the front fan, and press the SMU reset button (should be at the bottom under the bottommost RAM slot). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- if (you.canRead(this)) you.canGet(new job(!problem)); -- Seen at JavaOne --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot
Also, IIRC there WAS a line of MDD 1.25 systems that were released after the G5 came out that did boot in OS 9, released in response to the demands of a lot of BIG customers using (IIRC) mostly Quark Express. Rule of thumb: Power Mac G4 with FW400 can boot OS 9; FW800 cannot. This doesn't apply to PowerBooks or iBooks, of course. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- That's enough to make me LOL out loud. -- Monk --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: US Java alert?
http://mac-security.blogspot.com/2013/01/just-turn-java-off-very-high-security.html Sooner or later you will run into an online form that is important to you which will require Java be turned on. ITYM Java*Script*, which has very little to do actually with Java, and assuming you are using one of the still-maintained PowerPC browsers is much more up-to-date. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- The best things in life are sold out. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: US Java alert?
The DoD is telling people to turn off the Java plug in. While governments websites have forms that depend on it to be active.CNet says Oracle may not have a total fix for years. Turn off the Java Plug in and experiment. You tell me if it is a Java script or Java or any other distinction you want to make. I turned off the Java Plug in weeks ago and found online transactions I could not do. And this is after installation of a Java script blocker months before that which allowed the same forms to be active. TenFourFox has had Java disabled specifically in the browser since version 6, and I haven't found any form I cannot complete with my bank or billpay sites. If you have some specific URLs, I'd be interested. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Talkers are no good doers. -- Shakespeare -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping
2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no_ SATA drive at hand to test (one cable was found disconnected from the motherboard. Not sure why Cameron says that this will be difficult to replace, as SATA hard drives are the easiest to find replacements for nowadays. I'm not talking about the hard disk; I'm talking about getting the cable back on the board. You can try to reattach it, but if it has to be replaced, you have to clip and destroy the old one and rethread the new one through the hard drive bay. It's not as easy as it looks. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana. --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Twitter on a G4 or a G5
Mostly all I have heard about Twitter involves apps where you have to go to the app store. Twitter apps are just clients; Twitter is ultimately a web service. Given that Twitter is cracking down on clients, it would probably be better to use a web browser anyway. What does Twitter is cracking down on clients mean? http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-api-changes-chart-2012-8 -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- No good deed goes unpunished. -- Clare Boothe Luce - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Twitter on a G4 or a G5
Mostly all I have heard about Twitter involves apps where you have to go to the app store. Twitter apps are just clients; Twitter is ultimately a web service. Given that Twitter is cracking down on clients, it would probably be better to use a web browser anyway. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- PowerPC inside! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Spillage on keyboard - broken beyond repair?
All in all, a good piece of hardware (as usually MS input devices are), that is relatively cheap (it was 37 euros back then). I have generally liked Microsoft hardware. My preferred mouse is a Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000, which just works with 10.4. Never had a lot good to say about their operating systems, but their keyboards and mice have always been high quality. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- The fastest way to fold a map is differently. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sudden problems with AuroraFox on Leopard G5
Past few days I've tried to use AuroraFox 16 and its been beachballing
incessantly and then provoking a spindump---which I've managed to
disable. I thought it was simply time to upgrade, but, AuroraFox 17
and 20 are doing the same thing. I added no new addons, and no other
browser is giving me trouble, not even SeaMonkey with the same addons.
Anyone else having trouble? I wanted to stay on the latest AuroraFox
version which would let me easily use Flash {which is what, 17?]
You could try comparing it with TenFourFox. If TenFourFox 17 isn't having
the same problem (the code is similar, but rewritten for 10.4), then it's
an AuroraFox specific bug and you should probably report it to Tobias.
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Re: G5 Graphics Card
Do any of you know if a NVidia GeForce 7300GT video from a MacIntel Mac Pro tower will work in a G5 Quad Core tower (or, for that matter, any other non-MacIntel tower)? Thanking you in advance. I don't know for sure, but I doubt it, unless it was flashed. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5: 3 blinks and no boot
I think it was the memory controller, partly because it has always been really hot, between 70 and 75 degrees Celsius (checking with Marcel Bresink's Temperature Monitor). For a comparison, both CPU dies are around 50_ C or less. Wow, that is VERY hot. This quad: Intake 24.0 C CPU A 1/2 49.5/46.1 C CPU B 1/2 39.5/40.3 C Memory cntrlr 54.9 C Exit42.1 C -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Don't wear rollerskates to a tug-of-war. -- Larry Wall - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5: 3 blinks and no boot
I think it was the memory controller, partly because it has always been really hot, between 70 and 75 degrees Celsius Wow, that is VERY hot. This quad: Memory cntrlr 54.9 C Yes it is. Since I got it (couple of years ago) it has always been that way. I cleaned the G5 as best as I could, using a vacuum cleaner (both sucking and blowing), but it didn't change the memory controller temp much. I probably should disassemble it and check the logic board backside, but it's too much hassle for me - I'm not that good with hardware. Besides, I'm afraid I could make the LCS leak (this is a Delphi unit, the most likely to have leaking issues). Reading on the Net, lots of people have G5s with the same high temp I have. Maybe the Quad G5 had some improvements about airflow/heatsinks. Apart from disassembling the G5, have you got any suggestion about lowering that controller chip's temp? It's not getting any airflow there (on the inner side of the board), and I think its being so hot has something to do with the memory error I just got. The memory controller is a hot part normally, but 70-75 C is searingly so. The good news is that this is probably *not* the LCS; the LCS cools the CPUs, not (directly) the rest of the machine. Assuming this is not a quad, the northbridge for your unit is called U3. It should be (it's been awhile since I've been inside my folks' dual 2.5, so I'm going from memory here, ha ha) in the front of the unit under a heat sink between the RAM DIMMs. The quad has a similar part called U4 in approximately the same place. IIRC, it is labeled on the board (either U3 or CPC925). U3 and U4 are the parts that are reported as the memory controller. U3 has a history of overheating (and I hope yours isn't permanently busted). Check the heat sink and make sure it's not slipped off. Consider removing it, reapplying thermal paste, reseating the heat sink and putting it through ASD to make sure there is no permanent damage, assuming it boots. U4 is a cooler-running part by comparison and on a smaller process size, which probably accounts for its better longevity. Really, the quad is the best G5 for so many reasons and here is another. Here's a MacRumours thread on that, btw: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1091176 -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Traditionally, most of Australia's imports come from overseas. -K. Enderbery -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox 19
YUM. http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2013/01/tenfourfox-19-beta-judgment-day.html How well does it work for you (I assume 7400)? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Do you think I could buy back my introduction to you? -- Groucho Marx -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs. I think that many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models. I would like to see this too, many are transitioning to the Intel's and and some posts include both. An example: G5 and Mac Pro are the same but for the processors. And use the same System in the OSX 10.5. This is moot; already permitted... Unless our one-off topic rule has imploded suddenly? That is exactly what I was going to point out. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Talking about art is like dancing about architecture. -- Frank Zappa --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. I'm sorry this hasn't been stressed enough. Coolant leakage and low coolant is a common problem with these systems. This is STRONGLY indicated by the temperature readings on one CPU and by the temperature at shutdown. One CPU reading is FAR too hot, the other is far too cool. Something is definitely wrong with the cooling system or the temperature diodes. The quad G5 has a much lower rate of LCS failure or compromise than other liquid cooled G5s. If it were, say, a dual 2.5 like my folks', I agree I'd check the LCS first. But on this quad, I'd do the clean-up and thermal paste renewal first because you'll have to do it anyway, and it's more likely to be the issue. For relative failure rates, see this handy table: http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/pmg5.html Of the three quad G5s I have personally owned, none of them had an LCS issue. The one that's dead fried its logic board for some other reason, and the other two are still going strong. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- My Pink Floyd code: v1.2a s BO 1/0/pw tinG 0? 0 Relics 2 8 6mar98 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
Sure, a Mac Pro would be faster, more compatible with recent OSX, and sucking less power. On the other hand, you would have the added trouble of your old software compatibility... I agree with Valter. The upgrade cost can be sizeable. Part of what keeps me on 10.4 is that I have Photoshop 7 (the last non-activated Photoshop), which does not work on 10.5, and many Classic apps I paid considerable money for back in the day such as QuarkXPress. Not only would I incur the cost of the new machine, but the headaches of the new software and the costs of buying it. At least I have an academic discount, but still, not cheap. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I see nothing! Nothing! -- Sgt. Schultz, Hogan's Heroes -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Quad Core Shaken Up in Transport
What's the chance that the following (basically, deep clean the machine) might solve the high temperature problem? It's what I would do next. Also reapply the thermal paste, and then run ASD thermal calibration to make sure it's properly reset. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. -- Victor Borge --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: older MacMini and OS 9.1
I have an older PPC MacMini 7400 running OS X 4.11 which i purchased overseas a while back. When I reformatted the drive, using the original disks, I didn't bother installing the system 9.1 option. Now I would like to do so. If I run the installer for OS 9.1.(I think it's on disk #2) will it load without having to reformat the entire drive again for OS X 4.11, or should I save all my files, onto a largish external USB drive which I have, do it all over again, or perhaps, just forget the whole thing. If you're talking about installing Classic, the Classic installer will just install Classic and 9.2.2, and will not reformat your disk or touch 10.4 otherwise. If you're talking about installing OS 9, no Mac mini can boot Mac OS 9; they can only run Classic. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Eggheads unite! You have nothing to lose but your yolks. -- Adlai Stevenson -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: In the Market for a G5, maybe ...
I'm doing mostly involved photography processing in the HDR area now ... so speed is a good thing. All my applications are 32bit style coding ... will I run into any problems with G5s in general? No. I even compile TenFourFox in 32-bit mode for G5s because it has Carbon dependencies. What about the cooling systems ... didn't some of them have problems with the liquid cooling idea? I have a number of PCI cards that are still good ... what ideas do you have here? I may just wait for a QS Dual 1GHz cpu to appear, and consider going with an MDD for increase in speed in the future. Suggestions on which ones in the G5 family (and others) to consider are welcomed. Not too fat in the wallet ... G5s as a whole can be cantankerous and difficult to repair, but well treated they can last for a long time. It helps to buy the right one, though. Personally, I believe the only two worth owning are the dual 2.3, because it is the fastest air-cooled G5, or the quad 2.5, because it is the fastest Power Mac ever and its liquid cooling system is more reliable than previous machines. G5s slower than this are not significantly faster than the G4s they replaced and have more headaches, and the other G5s have various higher than average component failure rates (usually power supply or LCS). In your case, you may need to consider the dual 2.7 because it will still accept your PCI cards; the quad 2.5 will only handle PCIe. However, the dual 2.7 is actually not as fast as the quad (not only cores, but bigger caches), and it has a higher LCS failure rate. I own a quad, and it is a solid machine (and has been for over six years), but it is power hungry and can be noisy. Still, it runs my Power Mac apps like nothing else, and my legacy hardware was all external, so the PCIe slots are now filled with extension cards instead. And interestingly my MDD has failed more times than the G5 (the MDD has blown through two power supplies in its lifetime, while the G5 has never needed any significant maintenance other than cleaning). But the MDD will be cheaper to buy, a bit quieter and less expensive to run and maintain, so given that you have a need to keep your old PCI cards, an MDD may actually be a better option for you if you don't need the fastest Mac ever. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- FORTUNE: Today is an excellent day to have a totally rotten day. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 Processor
Hello. I have a dual 500mhz Powermac G4 that needs a new processor. I popped it into my 400mhz Mystic and had the same issue of no boot. With the 400mhz CPU both work fine. Where would I get a replacement and should I get the sonnet 1ghz upgrade? This is used as a FTP server. My 450MHz uniprocessor Sawtooth G4 handles fileserving just fine, to two servers and several clients, plus automated backups. You need RAM and fast I/O more than you need CPU in that configuration (mine is FW800 to a RAID 5 array, with a full load of RAM). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: All-Time High from Octopussy --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: UhOh ... Flash 11.5 Only
I am using the latest version of TenFourFox (just updated yesterday..) on my Dual Processor DA running 10.4.11 and since installing the Flash Hack that we have been discussing, Pandora is playing on my system. I should make a polite reminder: because Mozilla has removed Carbon and QuickDraw API support from plugins in Firefox 18+, TenFourFox 19 and any subsequent versions will no longer be able to run Flash even if you have it enabled through the undocumented about:config switch. The 17.x series will be the last ones that can even *run* plugins, even in their unsupported state. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Use gun kata for fun! Because you worth it! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: UhOh ... Flash 11.5 Only
I finally created a newer version of Flash Player that works and identifies itself as 11.5.502.11 in About Flash. It plays with most sites, but still won't play with the BBC site. I simply switched all the references from 11.1.102.55 to 11.5.502.11 and repaired permissions. I think as Bruce has said, if the site requires features that aren't present in the older Flash it simply won't work. I'm uncertain if there is any advantage to a newer fake version? Let's put it another way: there would be no additional *dis*advantage. It's no more insecure than what it already is, and if it lets certain sites work, then it's a bonus. But I think our time is better spent looking for Flash-free alternatives, much as the non-x86 Linux community has done. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- A zebra cannot change its spots. -- Al Gore -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: UhOh ... Flash 11.5 Only
Try this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2016390/FPforFBPPC.zip It's a hacked Flashplayer plugin pretending to be a newer version. It worked on my G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and many others. It doesn't work with every site that requires a newer version of Flash but it does with most. What is the source (site) for this? I believe I have seen it before ... It's been around. It's a Flash 10.1 with a hacked version number, which does seem sufficient for many sites, but it still suffers from the bugs and security issues of that version. Flash needs to die. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Burglar alarms: For the man who has everything! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ten Four Fox Caution, still checking
Just a possible word of caution. I just downloaded the latest TenFourFox, 17.0, and it hangs on opening, even before a window opens. Redownloading now, and will update after a redownload. Running 10.4.11 on a G5 and have had no problems with previous versions. Of course, having no problems with previous versions, I overwrote the version I was using with this version before testing. Oops. I'm using it on my own quad G5 without issue (I test it on my quad G5, my iMac G4, my Sawtooth G4 and my iBook G4). Is there anything in Console.app? Have you tried starting it in safe mode (hold down Option as you start it)? If you want to return to a previous version, you can always get them from http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Line printer paper is strongest at its perforations. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ten Four Fox Caution, still checking
I tried starting 17.0 with the shift key down. It ran through the checking compatibility of add ons screen and after that closed is when it hung. Same result as when I first started it up. It's the Option key for safe mode. Checked console.log, system.log and crashreporter logs and I see no entries that correspond with the time that I had the problems. Following plugins installed: 11.5.8r612 (flash) AmazonMP3downloader 1.0.16 Citrix Online Web Deployment 1.0.39 Coupons Inc Mac Safari coupon Printer Manager 2.0.2 DivX Web Player 1.4 Flip4Mac 2.3.8 2.3.8.1 QWuickTime 7.6.4 Shockwave Flash 10.1.85.3 SilverLight 1.0.30715 Please disable plugins. They're not supported or tested with it, there is some evidence that changes in Firefox 17 impair compatibility with them (in 18 they don't even work at all), and I won't accept bug reports on plugin support. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Please dispose of this message in the usual manner. -- Mission: Impossible - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
Itanic The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement: It can hardly be worse (well, it could; it could be a respray of Merced). Still, this was a case where HP got too far ahead of itself; compiler technology still doesn't do a good job with EPIC-VLIW instruction sets, and the hard limit of one instruction per cycle hasn't really been all that bad in practise as CPUs get more efficient and more of them exist in one system. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Haiku is easy/Sometimes it doesn't make sense/Refrigerator -- KFI Haikus - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
And, believe it or not, there was a time (mid-90's) when Apple was actually developing their own flavor of linux, called MKLinux. I have the last MkLinux disc here. It's Linux. :) Might be interesting to get that off the ground again for Old World Macs one day. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. -- Steven Wright - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX, AIX is notionally a SysV derivative, but its userland swings both ways -- both SysV and BSD options and commands are generally acceptable. I was a sysadmin for HP-UX and AIX systems back in the day. I liked PA-RISC; it was a very clean big RISC, even cleaner in some ways than PowerPC and prototypical MIPS. I was sorry to see it become another casualty of the Itanic. I still have a C8000 workstation in my office, the last of the PA-RISC workstations (HP-UX 11i), and an HP 9000/350 (HP-UX 8). I also inherited an Apollo 425t but I haven't fired it up yet, so I don't know if it's HP-UX or DomainOS on it. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Tell the truth, and run. -- Yugoslav proverb --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for OS X and for the iPhone OS. Perhaps true, but Apple Inc acknowledges The Regents of The University of California's copyrights, within the kernel itself, and possibly other components. There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is probably where much of the credit is owed. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy. -- Samuel Butler -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop? No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac side. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Twenty-four hours in a day, twenty-four cans in a Pepsi cube. Coincidence? - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD?
THE SHORT STORY THE QUESTION Has anybody here experience with using a SSD on an OS that doesn___t know the TRIM command? It will work fine, it just will gradually get sluggish. However, some controllers (Sandforce) don't need to use TRIM; OWC sells these. They will work fine in OS 9 also. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Software sucks because users demand it to. -- Nathan Mhyrvold, Microsoft --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Memory G4
Are you running OS 9? OS 9 can only access 1Gb, OS X can access the full amount. Actually, OS 9 can access up to 1.5GB. /pedantic -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it. -- Groucho Marx - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 power consumption
Thanks for sharing all this data, it's real food for thought - 17 watts being in shutdown is a nasty consumption Good thing my quad is never shut down. 8-) (I telnet into it from work and do tasks on it on the command line.) -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I am Dyslexic of Brog. Fesistence is rutile. You will be asmilsilated. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Classic Environment
I wish to run Photoshop version 7 on my G4 Powerbook 17 running Os X 10.5.8, however Pshop will not install as the Classic Environment is not present. My G5/1.8 dual proc is running OS x 10.4.11 and I have no problem with PS 7. I'm no Photoshop expert, but I thought that Photoshop 7.0 and the update 7.01 were carbon apps that ran in both Mac OS and also OS X natively. I don't think you need the Classic environment to run Photoshop 7.01 in OS X, is should launch within OS X natively I think? Yes, it runs just fine in 10.4.11 without Classic. It will *not* run on 10.5.8, however. It will also run on OS 9, though I usually prefer 5.5 there. I prefer Photoshop 7.0.1 to any of the later CS releases because it is the last Photoshop that doesn't require Adobe's ridiculous activation scheme. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- BOND THEME NOW PLAYING: Diamonds Are Forever - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Classic Environment
umm now its been ages since i really messed with classic, but wasnt classic removed from 10.5/.6/.7 ? i know it was from .7 as 10.7 was Intel Only thus unable to run anything from PPC macs. Classic was discontinued with 10.5. 10.4.11 is the last version of OS X to support Classic. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Make welfare as hard to get as building permits. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhone 5 and PPC macs -- what to do?
The new iPhone 5 can no longer be used with a PPC mac, since the minimum OS is 10.6.8. I obviously have two options. Either I can submit to Apple's blackmail and buy an intel Mac that I don't need in order to use the new phone. Or, I can consider an Android phone. Frankly, I am very reluctant to do the first, since my dual core G5 is very fast and nothing I do will be appreciably improved by spending $1000+ on a new Mac. Furthermore, the new Mac would require me to spend $2500 to upgrade the software -- I need to use a high end CAD program which has a very expensive upgrade. The other alternative is buying an Android phone. I liked the iPhone hardware, but have some misgivings about the OS (no file system, Apple's control freakery, etc). While the iPad is clearly best in class, I am not that sure about the iPhone. Does anyone have a suggestion? I switched to Android when Apple stopped supporting 10.4 with iOS. If you stick to Nexus devices, you get a solid phone with at least 2 major Android versions and prompt updates. The only downside of my Galaxy Nexus is that it only connects with MTP (the PTP support in OS X doesn't work right with it for transferring images), but I believe there is an MTP for 10.5.8 PPC from Google (I'm writing my own MTP sync system with libmtp for the command line, which is something I *can't* do with an iPhone). Strictly speaking, it doesn't even need to do that; it just works. I don't see why I should jettison my perfectly good quad G5 just to stay on the Apple iOS treadmill. And, with Android, I don't have to. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- /etc/motd: /earth is 98% full. please delete anyone you can. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhone 5 and PPC macs -- what to do?
Many thanks, Cameron. I tend to agree -- can't imagine having a faster computer than my G5 dual 2.3 GHz and am very annoyed at Apple for not supporting their own 5 year old OS 5 while still supporting a 10 year old Windows OS! Do you know whether the Galaxy S3 will work with a PPC mac? (I know nothing about Android.) I am particularly interested in things like full backup and restore, which is extremely difficult with an iPhone without computer support (Frankly, I can use iCloud for the syncing of an iPhone, but a full backup/restore requires a computer.) There are a number of Android utilities that will backup the phone to internal storage (they actually run on the phone itself). If your phone has a microSD slot, then it simply appears as USB Mass Storage to the Power Mac, and you can copy anything on the card in that slot (including any backups you have made) directly to the Mac. If the phone does not have microSD, like the Galaxy Nexus, you have to use MTP which is a little trickier, but should still work. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Kind of dangerous, but what fun is a safe shredder? -- Mike McFadden --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac Coffee Table!
Neat idea but I think that it would be an unbefitting end to my Gigabit G4 that served me flawlessly for ten years. The proper coffee table Mac is an Apple Network Server. Put a plate of glass on top of it. Presto, table. And you don't even need to drill the case. For bonus points, connect a console to it and put it on the table. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Po-Ching Lives! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: your mail
Hello. I have set up FTP server on my G4, but it shows the root of my boot drive an not the raid array that is what I set up as a shared folder. How can I get it to show my shared folder and not my boot drive? Thanks in advanced. FTP is not file sharing. When you log into an FTP server, you are placed at the root of whatever the server thinks the filesystem is, and for OS X that's /. If you don't mind just cd'ing to your array from there, then just do that. If you want to make FTP see only a part of the filesystem, you need to change what it thinks / is. The simplest and most secure way is to chroot() it. That is a Unix question, not specifically a Mac question, but something like http://www.itworld.com/nlsunix071108 should get you started. If this is too much work, just use regular AppleTalk file sharing rather than FTP. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- If I wanted your opinion, I'd have beaten it out of you. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC Mac? Do they play 1080p video well? G4s can play 720p at the high end, but I wouldn't play 1080p on anything less than a 2.5+ GHz G5. Even then it can be choppy if the bitrate is high. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Cleanliness is next to impossible. - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini? My 2007 C2D mini does okay with 1080p. However, it does not do a lot better than the quad G5 (I suspect the anaemic GMA graphics are to blame). That said, it certainly uses a lot less power. The 2007 C2D can run 10.7 and they're pretty cheap, but they won't run 10.8 (and for that reason I've kept it at 10.6.8 since I can't stand Lion). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Adore, v.: To venerate expectantly. -- Ambrose Bierce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should I install Mythbuntu or XBMC? I've used Front Row briefly, but not any of the others. I'm one of them (still plays DVDs and physical media in a standalone player). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Furious activity is no substitute for understanding. -- H. H. Williams - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fastest way to run OS9 apps?
A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic? Depends on the app. Arguably the quad (I assume you mean) G5 will be faster at raw computational speed even in Classic, but the G4 will be faster with screen repainting because it doesn't have the rest of the interface to worry about and isn't being preempted. As a practical example, Classilla's JavaScript benchmarks are faster when I run it in Classic on the quad G5, but it is much more responsive on the MDD in 9.2.2. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Merci d'eviter le Top posting -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing. Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I may be underpaid, but I underwork just to make it even. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2. How do I turn on the AFP on the 650? I looked and don't see anything it's 7.5.5. Speed is not an issue here just as long as I can daily get files from the Quadra to the G3 and onto a USB stick. I'd really recommend using the G3 as the server and mounting it on the Q650 with the Chooser. Then drop stuff on the G3. If you really want to go the other way, though, start it under the File Sharing control panel (IIRC). However, I think you will find it suboptimal, though it may not be a big deal for small files. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- To generalize is to be an idiot. -- William Blake -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2. Do I need to assign IP addresses to the machines to do this? Since it doesn't sound like you have AFP-over-TCP or a similar tool like ShareWay IP installed on the Quadra, you'll just be using EtherTalk, and that doesn't need an IP address. You just need to have AppleTalk on and set to use Ethernet. You don't need TCP/IP for that. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Angels we have heard on High/Tell us to go out and Buy. -- Tom Lehrer -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
Ok thanks I'll get back at it in the morning. What settings doI need to look at on the iMac? OS 9.2.2. Turn AppleTalk on from the Chooser, if it isn't already. Make sure AppleTalk is set to the correct Ethernet port under the Network control panel and that it has an AppleTalk address. Start File Sharing from the File Sharing control panel. Check that the username and password are what you desire. So as I get it I will mount the G3 via Chooser on the desktop of the Quadra. That's how I'd do it. I'm pretty sure my cable is a crossover I was told that the orange color designates that but is there a more positive way. The colour of the cable doesn't necessarily mean anything. However, it might say on the markings. If it says PATCH on the markings of the cable jacket, it is NOT a crossover cable. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- Mac rollout, 24 January 1984 - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
The colour of the cable doesn't necessarily mean anything. However, it might say on the markings. If it says PATCH on the markings of the cable jacket, it is NOT a crossover cable. Er, it is *probably* not a crossover cable. I guess there could be some pathologic DIYer who uses patch cable but wires it up in reverse. My crossover cables actually say CROSSOVER on them, however. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Light is faster than sound. Some folks look bright until you hear them speak. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g3 ibook cd drive ejects
g6 600mhz ibook A G6 ?! Akin to this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/PowerBook%20G5.jpg ROTFL! -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- You've become useful again. -- Die Another Day --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Hovercraft (death of a PowerBook)
Just got She Who Must Be Obeyed It's probably because the only creature I must share the house with purrs and has four legs that I get to keep all my lovely old computers and Macs. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I'd love to go out with you, but I'm rethreading my toothbrush bristles. - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New owner of a Late 2005 Dual Core 2.3GHz Power Mac G5
Mint condition, 8GB RAM, for $240. It had a fresh install of Tiger on a 250GB drive. I put in a WD Raptor 75GB 10,000 RPM drive, and installed Leopard on it, and wiped the 250. It's pretty sweet. Definitely faster than my MDD FW800 Dual 1.25Ghz G4, and slower than my Early 2008 Dual Quad 2.8GHz Mac Pro. As far as I can tell, it's the fastest Power Mac G5 that is not water cooled. Is that correct? Correct. Those are pretty solid units. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. -- Steven Wright - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
It runs in the Terminal and reminds of my original internet experience of modeming in to my University Vax account, running Gopher. It is *especially* well suited to Google Groups as it eliminates all formatting other than ASCII text. Gopher's still around: gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/ http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Queen, you shall be it if you wish/Look for your king -- Pink Floyd -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quad G5 power consumption
see http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24037 165W idle, 550W max, so probably 400W-450W or so. As a real world figure: my quad G5 routinely runs at near full tilt when building TenFourFox. At Highest Performance, 2 7200rpm SATA drives, 7800GT video card and two USB-FW expansion cards, it pulls around 300-400W. Lightly loaded, as I type this message in Reduced, the power supply meter says it is drawing 230W. They are not cheap to run in packs. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Everyone is entitled to my opinion. -- James Carpenter - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
