Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[John Niven]

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, John Niven sense...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I just pre-ordered a 3G iPad and find it annoying that I
 HAVE to have Leopard to use it with a Mac (I'm currently
 still using Tiger) but I can use it with Windows XP if I
 want.
 
 This clearly illustrates Apples marketing strategy! It may
 backfire. I already have a WinXP Core 2 Duo system that I
 use for music production only, doing everything else on PPC
 systems because I cant afford a Mac Pro :-( Maybe it will be
 my iPad home now too?

Just received my iPad 3G. You cannot use it with Tiger, even with the latest 
iTunes. So now I really will have to upgrade. Thanks Apple.

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Oh wow. You should do what I did to my PM G4 sawtooth. I have a triple-boot
system on there. (Don't install jaguar, I did that for performance since
that was the system's original OS.) Partition your HDD, one for tiger and
one for Leopard. And whenever you need to sync your iPad, just boot into
Leopard!

Leopard isn't that annoying to me at all except for that 3D dock. Other then
that, It's a useful OS. Tiger is an Aging OS and I only put it on computers
if they really can't handle Leopard.

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[James Therrault]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Dan wrote:


At 12:01 AM -0400 4/29/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Oh really? Then how come i am able to install tiger on multiple  
computers without activation or licence errors?


Not sure to what exactly you're commenting.

Apple chooses to trust its customers, and not employ the draconian  
measures that other vendors use.  So there is no activation  
mechanism in the standard Mac OS or Mac OS X.


Honor system.   Get it?

rant The way you've worded your post sounds to me like you're  
implying that because there is no activation mechanism that you can  
do whatever you want with the product.  I hope that wasn't your  
intent.  My impression is that most Mac users are honest, etc.



I also think that since Apple still is a minority player in the the  
PC world, the more exposure the better for the platform. After all,  
microsquish users who are exposed to OSX, (providing that they have a  
couple of brain cells to rub together), quickly discover that there  
are far less in the way of hoops to pass through in order to get work  
done on our machines.


G'day!

JT



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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

At 9:56 AM -0500 4/29/2010, James Therrault wrote:

On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Dan wrote:

At 12:01 AM -0400 4/29/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Oh really? Then how come i am able to install tiger on multiple 
computers without activation or licence errors?


Not sure to what exactly you're commenting.

Apple chooses to trust its customers, and not employ the draconian 
measures that other vendors use.  So there is no activation 
mechanism in the standard Mac OS or Mac OS X.


Honor system.   Get it?

rant The way you've worded your post sounds to me like you're 
implying that because there is no activation mechanism that you can 
do whatever you want with the product.  I hope that wasn't your 
intent.  My impression is that most Mac users are honest, etc.


I also think that since Apple still is a minority player in the the 
PC world, the more exposure the better for the platform. After all, 
microsquish users who are exposed to OSX, (providing that they have 
a couple of brain cells to rub together), quickly discover that 
there are far less in the way of hoops to pass through in order to 
get work done on our machines.


Ok.  That is, perhaps maybe heh, a justification for Apple not 
running around suing customers that abuse the OS X license agreement. 
But it still doesn't justify piracy from the user's POV.


- Dan.
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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[James Therrault]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Dan wrote:


At 9:56 AM -0500 4/29/2010, James Therrault wrote:

On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Dan wrote:

At 12:01 AM -0400 4/29/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Oh really? Then how come i am able to install tiger on multiple  
computers without activation or licence errors?


Not sure to what exactly you're commenting.

Apple chooses to trust its customers, and not employ the  
draconian measures that other vendors use.  So there is no  
activation mechanism in the standard Mac OS or Mac OS X.


Honor system.   Get it?

rant The way you've worded your post sounds to me like you're  
implying that because there is no activation mechanism that you  
can do whatever you want with the product.  I hope that wasn't  
your intent.  My impression is that most Mac users are honest, etc.


I also think that since Apple still is a minority player in the  
the PC world, the more exposure the better for the platform. After  
all, microsquish users who are exposed to OSX, (providing that  
they have a couple of brain cells to rub together), quickly  
discover that there are far less in the way of hoops to pass  
through in order to get work done on our machines.


Ok.  That is, perhaps maybe heh, a justification for Apple not  
running around suing customers that abuse the OS X license  
agreement. But it still doesn't justify piracy from the user's POV.



Absolutely!

As one who holds some intellectual property, I agree completely.  I  
was just rationalizing from Apple's perspective.


JT

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I know Apple decided to trust it's users, but the thing is, If they only
provide one license when you buy a DVD (let's say it's OS X SL), why does it
still allow you to install even though the license was only supposed to be
used once?

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Ted Treen]

Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I know Apple decided to trust it's users, but the thing is, If they 
only provide one license when you buy a DVD (let's say it's OS X SL), 
why does it still allow you to install even though the license was 
only supposed to be used once?




Pray tell me how in God's name you're going to add an installation 
counter to a pressed read-only CD/DVD?


Ted

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

I know Apple decided to trust it's users, but the thing is, If they  
only provide one license when you buy a DVD (let's say it's OS X  
SL), why does it still allow you to install even though the  
license was only supposed to be used once?


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Because some people like my Dr will happily pay for what they get and  
buy five for the home and another five for the office. Gee they  
practically gave away Snow Leopard (not much there but darn cheap).  
Keep in mind when you register it the info goes in the data base as  
does all that iTunes stuff they say don't worry about. One day all  
this info gathering will pay off for Apple.
 I'm always careful to only use the name I originally had on any  
subsequent installs of any Mac software, and it's on a lot of my  
machines. I pity the  PC owners who are carded on every turn and have  
to cough up to the Gates machine.




JOHN CARMONNE
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From TiBook 800




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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Ted Treen wrote:


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I know Apple decided to trust it's users, but the thing is, If  
they only provide one license when you buy a DVD (let's say it's  
OS X SL), why does it still allow you to install even though the  
license was only supposed to be used once?




Pray tell me how in God's name you're going to add an installation  
counter to a pressed read-only CD/DVD?





Windbloze does it and anything you install on a PC normally will try  
to shake you down.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:32 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:



Pray tell me how in God's name you're going to add an installation  
counter to a pressed read-only CD/DVD?





Windbloze does it and anything you install on a PC normally will try  
to shake you down.


No, Windows does NOT do this. There's a serial number that works with  
the installer, and if you NEVER connect to the internet, at least with  
XP and lower, you're A-OK. However, Windows phones home with the info  
and serial number when you connect to the internet.


Windows Vista and newer require you to either authenticate via the  
internet or via phone or  youe Windows system turns into a pumpkin.


OS X disks do not contain ANY sort of serialization, a fact that can  
be confirmed if you have access to two retail install disks of the  
same OS: they're identical.


Again. Apple does not require serialization of their OS...remember,  
you're legally only allowed to run it on a Mac.


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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[John Niven]

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 Windbloze does it and anything you install on a PC normally
 will try to shake you down.

In the Windows case you HAVE to register with MS after an initial period since 
the install. The difference between MS and Apple is MS makes its money 
exclusively from the s/w, whereas Apple makes it's money by selling you a 
system. Presumably they make some money from retail OS upgrades, but as the 
hardware requirements increase with each release, they effectively make the 
older hardware obsolete, encouraging us to buy a new system.

I just pre-ordered a 3G iPad and find it annoying that I HAVE to have Leopard 
to use it with a Mac (I'm currently still using Tiger) but I can use it with 
Windows XP if I want.

This clearly illustrates Apples marketing strategy! It may backfire. I already 
have a WinXP Core 2 Duo system that I use for music production only, doing 
everything else on PPC systems because I cant afford a Mac Pro :-( Maybe it 
will be my iPad home now too?




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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:53 PM, John Niven wrote:

I just pre-ordered a 3G iPad and find it annoying that I HAVE to  
have Leopard to use it with a Mac (I'm currently still using Tiger)  
but I can use it with Windows XP if I want.


This clearly illustrates Apples marketing strategy!


It does nothing of the sort.

The differences 'under the hood' between 10.4 and 10.5 are HUGE. It  
would pretty much require Apple writing *three* iPad support systems  
(one for Windows, one for 10.5/10.6 and one for 10.4) to include 10.4  
(which is exceedingly long in the tooth as OS revs go) compatibility.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[iJohn]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 However, Windows phones home with the info and serial
 number when you connect to the internet.

Yes, when you authenticate. If you don't authenticate then after some
period (30 days?? for Win 7??) then as you say, it turns into a
pumpkin. And admittedly it'll probably be a damn nuisance to use
before that by nagging you to authenticate.

 OS X disks do not contain ANY sort of serialization, a fact that can be
 confirmed if you have access to two retail install disks of the same OS:
 they're identical.

My understanding is that the same thing is true for Windows 7 DVDs.
You get the same DVD whatever  version you buy. Which software is
installed and enabled from the DVD depends on what serial number you
enter. (What you get before you enter a serial number I have no idea.
Who has the patience to waste time trying to find out?)

 Remember:
 http://tinyurl.com/26rd5rg

The thing that I never see people talk about is that everything
Microsoft does by way of authentication is neither free nor a one-time
expense. They continually pay to support their authentication
function.

Obviously there is the cost of keeping the authentication servers
running and paying for the people who answer the authentication line
phones. (Though last time I did this that also was automated). They
also pay to develop all this crap and to constantly tweak and tune it
because it's so damn annoying to their customers. And of course it has
to always be tested and tested and tested again.

Tangible and intangible, there are a lot of non-trivial costs to
keeping the whole mess up and running. Microsoft must have decided ...
to the extent any company can make a decision about a way of doing
business that has so much history behind it ... that the benefit is
worth the cost.

Apple doesn't have to. They just sell the discs and don't waste money
on tracking how those discs get used. It's a big PITA and distraction
that Apple is not burdened with.

Looking at Apple's growth I believe that this decision hasn't hurt
their profitability in any way. If the folks at Apple ever change
their mind about this, then you'll see them do something to control
over how many different machines a single copy of OS X can be
installed on. Maybe they'll go the MS route or maybe something
completely different. But they'll change if they think it's costing
them serious money if they don't change.

Apple doesn't trust or not trust their customers. We're not on some
fantasy honor system ... though I infer enough people who buy OS X
discs have been honorable enough. It's just not worth that much to
Apple to be annoying PITAes about the OS X installs. And I thank
deity. for that!!

-irrational john

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:45 PM, iJohn wrote:


The thing that I never see people talk about is that everything
Microsoft does by way of authentication is neither free nor a one-time
expense. They continually pay to support their authentication
function.

Obviously there is the cost of keeping the authentication servers
running and paying for the people who answer the authentication line
phones. (Though last time I did this that also was automated). They
also pay to develop all this crap and to constantly tweak and tune it
because it's so damn annoying to their customers. And of course it has
to always be tested and tested and tested again.



Actually, not so much.

I'd wager 90-95% of Microsoft OS sales are directly to OEM's. The  
average user, turning on their Dell for the first time is walked  
through connecting to the internet, and authentication happens then,  
with little or no interaction with the user.


People buying upgrades and folks setting up a handful of DIY boxes for  
their business or something run into these hassles, but frankly, these  
people are small fry, and MS doesn't really give a crap about them.


MS wants to keep Dell, HP and Lenovo happy.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Albert Carter]

This is not true. The only thing that is different about the distribution of 
Windows 7 from XP and Vista is that the DVDs contain both the 32-bit and the 
x64 version of code. There are still individual discs for Home Premium, 
Professional, Ultimate, and Enterprise.





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Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 7:45:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 However, Windows phones home with the info and serial
 number when you connect to the internet.

Yes, when you authenticate. If you don't authenticate then after some
period (30 days?? for Win 7??) then as you say, it turns into a
pumpkin. And admittedly it'll probably be a damn nuisance to use
before that by nagging you to authenticate.

 OS X disks do not contain ANY sort of serialization, a fact that can be
 confirmed if you have access to two retail install disks of the same OS:
 they're identical.

My understanding is that the same thing is true for Windows 7 DVDs.
You get the same DVD whatever  version you buy. Which software is
installed and enabled from the DVD depends on what serial number you
enter. (What you get before you enter a serial number I have no idea.
Who has the patience to waste time trying to find out?)


  

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[iJohn]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 People buying upgrades and folks setting up a handful of DIY boxes for their
 business or something run into these hassles, but frankly, these people are
 small fry, and MS doesn't really give a crap about them.

Actually, I also believe not so much but from a different perspective. :-)

I have limited experience with PC notebooks. In particular I don't
know how Microsoft does Windows 7 notebook (re)installs.

The last PC laptop I reinstalled XP on (using the media that came with
it) I don't believe even bothered to ask me to authenticate. At the
very least the install media appeared to just know that the install
was to an HP notebook, hence the Windows tax had been paid, so there
was no need to bother about asking for a license key. (The key was
there on the sticker on the laptop if needed. But I'm pretty sure I
never had to enter it).

If the vast majority of Windows installs were all the PC world
equivalent of reinstalling the version of OS X that came with a
MacBook then I doubt MS would bother with the hoops. But Windows folk
still have to dance through those hoops so I infer that MS thinks it's
financially worth it to them to keep polishing them.

I'll grant you that individual home user upgraders, DIY boxes, and/or
small businesses are probably not as big of a concern for MS. But if
you're going down authentication avenue you can't do it in pieces.
Aside from special cases such as notebooks with special install media,
it's all installs or nothing, no?

Probably MS's main concern is preventing an entire IT installation
from (re)using a pirated install key. But there's also the so-called
BRICs ... Brasil, Russia, India, China and such. The thought/hope of
turning even a fraction of the Windows piracy in those countries into
actual revenue must be, uh, an exciting thought for the MS
accountants.

Microsoft appears to me to be obsessed with two conflicting goals: to
limit Windows installs to one machine per paid license and to not
annoy their customers unless said customers are from MS's perspective
trying to steal from MS.

It's got to be a lot of (costly?) work on their end. And I believe
they wouldn't bother with it unless they thought the company
benefited.

Which is not the same thing as saying the company DOES benefit from
it. I'm only saying I think MS has convinced itself that it's worth
doing.

And I think when Apple does that calculation they must be getting a
different answer.

-irrational john

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[iJohn]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This is not true. The only thing that is different about the distribution of
 Windows 7 from XP and Vista is that the DVDs contain both the 32-bit and the
 x64 version of code. There are still individual discs for Home Premium,
 Professional, Ultimate, and Enterprise.

Really?

Then how does the MS Anytime Upgrade work? Say I wanted to take my
version of Home Premium to the Ultimate of Foolishness. Supposedly I
go online and purchase a license for Ultimate, then enter the new
license key, and poof I'm upgraded. You may think they're going to
download all the changes to the OS via the Internet, but that is not
my understanding of how it works.

I have no way to test this personally though since there is no way in
heck I'd ever upgrade my flavor of Win 7.

But you were also indirectly correct in pointing out an error I made.
Actually my retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade has two
DVDs. One DVD is for the 32-bit flavor and the other is for the
64-bit. My bad.

-irrational john

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{Manager Comment] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Fabian Fang]

[ I am top-posting because of the length of the following Off-Topic  
message. ]


It appears that this thread has just about run its course.   
Discussions about PC notebooks, or most other laptops, installations  
of Windows 7, whatever version, authentication by Microsoft, etc.,  
etc., are irrelevant to the OP's inquiry, and way Off-Topic for this  
Group.  Unless I can be convinced otherwise, I hereby declare this  
thread CLOSED.  Please refrain from posting further ON-GROUP comments,  
and convey any more thoughts only to me by direct private messages.   
Your cooperation will be appreciated.


Fabian Fang
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On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:13 PM, iJohn wrote:


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
People buying upgrades and folks setting up a handful of DIY boxes  
for their
business or something run into these hassles, but frankly, these  
people are

small fry, and MS doesn't really give a crap about them.


Actually, I also believe not so much but from a different  
perspective. :-)


I have limited experience with PC notebooks. In particular I don't
know how Microsoft does Windows 7 notebook (re)installs.

The last PC laptop I reinstalled XP on (using the media that came with
it) I don't believe even bothered to ask me to authenticate. At the
very least the install media appeared to just know that the install
was to an HP notebook, hence the Windows tax had been paid, so there
was no need to bother about asking for a license key. (The key was
there on the sticker on the laptop if needed. But I'm pretty sure I
never had to enter it).

If the vast majority of Windows installs were all the PC world
equivalent of reinstalling the version of OS X that came with a
MacBook then I doubt MS would bother with the hoops. But Windows folk
still have to dance through those hoops so I infer that MS thinks it's
financially worth it to them to keep polishing them.

I'll grant you that individual home user upgraders, DIY boxes, and/or
small businesses are probably not as big of a concern for MS. But if
you're going down authentication avenue you can't do it in pieces.
Aside from special cases such as notebooks with special install media,
it's all installs or nothing, no?

Probably MS's main concern is preventing an entire IT installation
from (re)using a pirated install key. But there's also the so-called
BRICs ... Brasil, Russia, India, China and such. The thought/hope of
turning even a fraction of the Windows piracy in those countries into
actual revenue must be, uh, an exciting thought for the MS
accountants.

Microsoft appears to me to be obsessed with two conflicting goals: to
limit Windows installs to one machine per paid license and to not
annoy their customers unless said customers are from MS's perspective
trying to steal from MS.

It's got to be a lot of (costly?) work on their end. And I believe
they wouldn't bother with it unless they thought the company
benefited.

Which is not the same thing as saying the company DOES benefit from
it. I'm only saying I think MS has convinced itself that it's worth
doing.

And I think when Apple does that calculation they must be getting a
different answer.

-irrational john


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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[James Therrault]

On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:



   I don't think Apple will care about this at all, they are old  
OS's... If it was Leopard or Snow Leopard that would be  
different... I'm only living on S.S. Disability, I do not own  
anything or have any large amount of money saved and my car is  
21yrs old... I wasn't selling the disc's I copied nor will I sell  
the Tiger Disc's I get copied... It's not worth fixing up and  
selling the newer Apple Computers on ebay because of all the fee's  
between ebay and PayPal... The Clamshells aren't selling for a  
whole either now and people aren't spending money either the way  
they did...
   The Clamshells were the best!!! I could take them all apart and  
put them back together in about 2hrs tops even with all my motor  
skill problems!!! Now I just want to do up my Ti Powerbook and  
maybe think about putting Leopard on it somewhere down the road  
when Tiger starts slowing down and becoming a problem...




The only thing that has aroused my curiosity is whether you are  
reporting the eBay income to SS...


JT



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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

   Didn't make any money... But I got 2 computers (one being my Ti Powerbook) 
out of it, both my daughters each got one and a some of my friends paid me for 
a few what I had in them and the rest that I got together and running I sold on 
ebay and pretty much got back what I paid for everything... Also I am allowed 
to make $800 a month without affecting my S.S, I could take a job for up to 9 
mons without affecting my S.S. just to see if I could work again and quit 
without any probs (I know some that do just this a lot too) How about 
Walmart they have a lot of people working for them on S.S.I. and S.S.D. and 
they get subsidized by our Gov to hire them and then Walmart takes out a life 
Ins policy on them a get money for when they die... It is not a business I am 
running... Check my ebay score onecoolkat72... I only did around 75 trans 
since 2002 and it's more buying then selling... I am not a power seller nor 
would I ever want to be... Ebay is a pain in the ass... Heres one for you I 
know some doctors who collect S.S. Disability and work as doctors in a foreign 
countries... Besides this is definitely off topic and really none of your 
business... This is more like therapy for me and I'm wondering what you would 
do if you were in my shoes??? Maybe I should do what some others do who are in 
my shoes, overdose on drugs and veg out in front of the tube??? What do you do 
for a living and how much money do you make??? Do you fell up to answering that 
question or is it none of my business??? I make less then $20,000 a yr and that 
my good friend puts me in poverty... Do you think you could live on that??? 11 
yrs ago because of a bad car accident and got hurt really bad... I ended up 
loosing everything... I went through 3 major surgeries since last June... I was 
an Auto Worker on lay off and couldn't get any of the benefits from work 
because I was on layoff for so long, I would have gotten my pension 4yrs ago 
when I reached my 30th yr but now I have to wait another 9yrs for it and won't 
get my benefits like the others who retire with 30yrs do... So thank God for my 
daughters and good friends who give me place to stay!!! And you should thank 
God nothing like this ever happens to you, be lucky for what you have, and pray 
you don't loose everything like I did...  






-Original Message-
From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
Sent: Apr 25, 2010 10:03 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???


On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:


I don't think Apple will care about this at all, they are old  
 OS's... If it was Leopard or Snow Leopard that would be  
 different... I'm only living on S.S. Disability, I do not own  
 anything or have any large amount of money saved and my car is  
 21yrs old... I wasn't selling the disc's I copied nor will I sell  
 the Tiger Disc's I get copied... It's not worth fixing up and  
 selling the newer Apple Computers on ebay because of all the fee's  
 between ebay and PayPal... The Clamshells aren't selling for a  
 whole either now and people aren't spending money either the way  
 they did...
The Clamshells were the best!!! I could take them all apart and  
 put them back together in about 2hrs tops even with all my motor  
 skill problems!!! Now I just want to do up my Ti Powerbook and  
 maybe think about putting Leopard on it somewhere down the road  
 when Tiger starts slowing down and becoming a problem...



The only thing that has aroused my curiosity is whether you are  
reporting the eBay income to SS...

JT



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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Oh really? Then how come i am able to install tiger on multiple computers
without activation or licence errors?

 Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

At 12:01 AM -0400 4/29/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Oh really? Then how come i am able to install tiger on multiple 
computers without activation or licence errors?


Not sure to what exactly you're commenting.

Apple chooses to trust its customers, and not employ the draconian 
measures that other vendors use.  So there is no activation mechanism 
in the standard Mac OS or Mac OS X.


Honor system.   Get it?

rant The way you've worded your post sounds to me like you're 
implying that because there is no activation mechanism that you can 
do whatever you want with the product.  I hope that wasn't your 
intent.  My impression is that most Mac users are honest, etc.


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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Jonas Lopez]

--- On Sun, 4/25/10, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
 From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 11:44 AM
 At 2:14 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Len
 Gerstel wrote:
  If the CD stopped working, it was damaged in someway.
 A scratch, peanut butter on the surface or something similar.
 *shudder*   I've gotten two movie DVDs in a
 row from our local library that had peanut butter on
 them.  The last one... was sitting on the coffee table
 in the family room, and Oakie, our 19+ yro senior citizen
 furball, was *intensely* interested in
 it!   Sniffing it, pushing it around,
 etc.  Oakie loves peanut butter (and lasagna)!
 - Dan.
I am so glad your a cat pepo, now I know why your so nice answering all our 
questions that Oakie could not.


  

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[dorayme]

Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Apr 25 06:07PM -0600 ^

On 25/04/10 12:44 PM, Dan wrote:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Oakie%20loves%20Lasagna%2C% 
2023nov2007.jpg


 - Dan.
That's a lovely picture, Dan. Made my rather boring day today.


Yes, cute. Here are a couple of btws:

1. Who has a screen big enough to hold it at the resolution it was  
published at? Who has printed it yet?


2. While replying to this I realised there *is* a simple thing that  
would greatly help us digest mode users, repeat the subject topic  
somewhere near the actual posts saving us from having to fish for it  
to copy paste it into a reply.


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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Actually there is an unlimited usage on the install discs. Unlike Windows
install discs, As long as someone purchases it, and you have it, you can
install it on as many computers as you desire.

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

At 1:02 AM -0400 4/25/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Actually there is an unlimited usage on the install discs. Unlike 
Windows install discs, As long as someone purchases it, and you have 
it, you can install it on as many computers as you desire.


Wrong.

The FIRST link provided by googling apple mac os license takes you 
to a page that contains all of Apple's licenses.

http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

The license on the basic retail kit authorizes you to install the 
software on ONE computer.


The family pack lets you do up to FIVE computers.

Apple DOES NOT and has not ever offered an unlimated license.

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

   Thanks!!! Just for safety sake as soon as I get my Ti Powerbook fixed I'm 
going to try and make some copies of it!!! (I already have some friends trying) 
I think that's why that Jaguar disc went bad???




At 1:02 AM -0400 4/25/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Actually there is an unlimited usage on the install discs. Unlike 
Windows install discs, As long as someone purchases it, and you have 
it, you can install it on as many computers as you desire.

Wrong.

The FIRST link provided by googling apple mac os license takes you 
to a page that contains all of Apple's licenses.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

The license on the basic retail kit authorizes you to install the 
software on ONE computer.

The family pack lets you do up to FIVE computers.

Apple DOES NOT and has not ever offered an unlimated license.

- Dan.
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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

Title: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install
Disc???


At 12:10 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Richard Gerome wrote:
Just for safety sake as soon as I get my
Ti Powerbook fixed I'm going to try and make some copies of
it!!!

Making a backup of an installation CD/DVD is a good plan.

(I already have some friends trying) I
think that's why that Jaguar disc went bad???

went bad? Not sure what you mean. I guess
I could see a disc being damaged if the drive was foo, but other than
that, making a copy does not damage a disc in any way.

- Dan.
- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.





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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

Title: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install
Disc???
 It didn't go bad from copying it, I was using it to reload Jaguar on all those Clamshells I was rebuilding and one day it stopped working... I didn't know why but I was thinking it used up all it's licenses??? That's when I got another Jaguar Disc and made 6 copies of it...<dantear...@gmail.com>

At 12:10 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Richard Gerome wrote:
Just for safety sake as soon as I get my
Ti Powerbook fixed I'm going to try and make some copies of
it!!!

Making a backup of an installation CD/DVD is a good plan.

(I already have some friends trying) I
think that's why that Jaguar disc went bad???

"went bad"? Not sure what you mean. I guess
I could see a disc being damaged if the drive was foo, but other than
that, making a copy does not damage a disc in any way.

- Dan.
- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.





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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Dan wrote:

 At 1:02 AM -0400 4/25/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
 Actually there is an unlimited usage on the install discs. Unlike Windows 
 install discs, As long as someone purchases it, and you have it, you can 
 install it on as many computers as you desire.
 
 Wrong.
 
 The FIRST link provided by googling apple mac os license takes you to a 
 page that contains all of Apple's licenses.
 http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
 
 The license on the basic retail kit authorizes you to install the software on 
 ONE computer.
 
 The family pack lets you do up to FIVE computers.
 
 Apple DOES NOT and has not ever offered an unlimated license.

However, Apple does not track that usage. You can in a practical sense, use a 
single disk to install as many times as you wishyou're just violating the 
licensing agreement and could be sued. (this is vastly more likely if you're a 
business)

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:





At 12:10 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Richard Gerome wrote:
Just for safety sake as soon as I get my Ti Powerbook fixed I'm  
going to try and make some copies of it!!!


Making a backup of an installation CD/DVD is a good plan.

(I already have some friends trying) I think that's why that Jaguar  
disc went bad???


went bad?  Not sure what you mean.  I guess I could see a disc  
being damaged if the drive was foo, but other than that, making a  
copy does not damage a disc in any way.

--

   It didn't go bad from copying it, I was using it to reload Jaguar  
on all those Clamshells I was rebuilding and one day it stopped  
working... I didn't know why but I was thinking it used up all it's  
licenses??? That's when I got another Jaguar Disc and made 6 copies  
of it...


To get the snarky comment out of the way, How does it feel to be a  
pirate?


Each Jaguar CD comes with a license to install on 1 Macintosh  
computer, unless you bought a family pack. Then it is for up to 5  
installs in one household, not for computers to be given away or sold.  
Apple does not enforce this license in as draconian way as MS, but a  
license is a license. By installing it on more than 1 computer, you  
are pirating Apple software.


That being said, there is no authorization or validation system for  
Mac OS installs, YET. If the CD stopped working, it was damaged in  
someway. A scratch, peanut butter on the surface or something similar.


Len

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

At 1:57 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Richard Gerome wrote:
It didn't go bad from copying it, I was using it to reload Jaguar on 
all those Clamshells I was rebuilding and one day it stopped 
working... I didn't know why but I was thinking it used up all it's 
licenses??? That's when I got another Jaguar Disc and made 6 copies 
of it...


No.  The media is read-only.  There is no concept of used up.  If 
the media didn't work then either it had been damaged or that Mac's 
optical drive was foo.


FWIW... I have here in a rack one each of the OS releases on CD/DVD. 
Never backed any of 'em up.  But then again, I doubt I used any of 
them more than once or twice.  OS X is *monolithic*.  That means the 
full retail installation will run on any Mac (that that particular 
version supports, of course).  Once you install it on the first 
machine, and apply the available updates, and install your apps and 
such, make a clone/backup (use CCC or SuperDuper) on an external HD. 
From then on, to install on another machine, just slap a copy of that 
backup into it!  No lengthy re-install necessary!


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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Dan]

At 2:14 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Len Gerstel wrote:
If the CD stopped working, it was damaged in someway. A scratch, 
peanut butter on the surface or something similar.


*shudder*   I've gotten two movie DVDs in a row from our local 
library that had peanut butter on them.  The last one... was sitting 
on the coffee table in the family room, and Oakie, our 19+ yro senior 
citizen furball, was *intensely* interested in it!   Sniffing it, 
pushing it around, etc.  Oakie loves peanut butter (and lasagna)!


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Oakie%20loves%20Lasagna%2C%2023nov2007.jpg

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

 I don't think Apple will care about this at all, they are old OS's... If it was Leopard or Snow Leopard that would be different... I'm only living on S.S. Disability, I do not own anything or have any large amount of money saved and my car is 21yrs old... I wasn't selling the disc's I copied nor will I sell the Tiger Disc's I get copied... It's not worth fixing up and selling the newer Apple Computers on ebay because of all the fee's between ebay and PayPal... The Clamshells aren't selling for a whole either now and people aren't spending money either the way they did...  The Clamshells were the best!!! I could take them all apart and put them back together in about 2hrs tops even with all my motor skill problems!!! Now I just want to do up my Ti Powerbook and maybe think about putting Leopard on it somewhere down the road when Tiger starts slowing down and becoming a problem...To get the snarky comment out of the way, How does it feel to be a pirate?Each Jaguar CD comes with a license to install on 1 Macintosh computer, unless you bought a family pack. Then it is for up to 5 installs in one household, not for computers to be given away or sold. Apple does not enforce this license in as draconian way as MS, but a license is a license. By installing it on more than 1 computer, you are pirating Apple software.That being said, there is no authorization or validation system for Mac OS installs, YET. If the CD stopped working, it was damaged in someway. A scratch, peanut butter on the surface or something similar.Len



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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Nestamicky]

On 25/04/10 12:44 PM, Dan wrote:


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Oakie%20loves%20Lasagna%2C%2023nov2007.jpg

- Dan.

That's a lovely picture, Dan. Made my rather boring day today.

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