Re: [Audyssey] Help with Silver Sword
Hey, Zachary. Let me give you the developer of Silversword email so you can let him know how the game can be improve for the blind. His name is Mario and the support email address is i...@silversword-rpg.com You can also join the forum on the Silversword website which is www.silversword-rpg.com Once you have gotten a reply about how he will fix the issue please let all of us know on the list. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] game query
does any body know how to contact the developers of the game battle zone? if so how would i do that? arethere any other games of this developer? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Wednesday's Out of Sight events
Here are the events scheduled for Wednesday, December 14th: >From the Pulpit 7:00 PM eastern Hosted by Lee from WV Location: House of Our Lord Come listen to a live service, which will include, worship, music, preaching, and special singing. Zilch 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by Roger. Location: Game Zone Roll the dice and take your chances! Try to snag as many points as possible but you better know when to quit otherwise, you'll lose it all and Zilch out! Drop by for some fun and excitement because you never know who will win until the final dice roll! No software to download and it only takes a few minutes to get the hang of the game. Polished Zilch players and new folk are most welcome! Have a fabulous day! --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
Hi. The big thing I like better about IE9 over 8 is that it handles downloading a lot better. Starting a download is simpler and you don't have those annoying things where you have to tell it that yes you want to download the file, then reload the page and hit the download link again just to get it to start the download. You just hit enter on the link, then either hit ctrl+j after you hear the notification bar sound to go to the download manager where you can choose what to do with the download or you could just press alt+s to save or alt+r to run. Like when Jeremy releases a new version of swamp I just press enter on the link in the email. IE9 opens and asks me in the information bar, rather than in a pop up dialogue like we're used to, what I want to do. I know of that because of the information bar sound, so I just hit alt+s. If I want to watch what the download is doing, I can hit ctrl+j to open up the download manager similar to Firefox. I can arrow up and down the list of downloads, and when I land on one that's in progress, for some computers jaws actually will read it every now and then when the numbers change, and for others it won't. I haven't figured out what makes the difference but when it does it, it reminds me of Voiceover's interaction with the download manager of Saphari on the mac. So anyway when the download finished, I should be aware of that if I hear the sound that indicates as much, even if I went off reading emails or something instead of watching the numbers. So I can go to the start menu and type dow, short for downloads of course, into the search box and arrow down till I hear downloads. I hit enter there and that opens my user account's downloads folder and, because I have set the sort order to date modified rather than by name, do to the fact that I also have it set to descending sort order, the just downloaded file is at the top of the list, the first item I land on. Now I really like how easy that is. I tried chrome, but I can't find a way to turn off the loading of pictures. So far it looks to me like it's actually pretty darn simplified and non configurable. I must be missing something. I went to options but there's nothing like that in there, nor a way to make it play sounds for page loads and other events like we're used to IE doing. I turn off images because since I can't see them there's absolutely no point what so ever in waiting those extra seconds for them to load. Turning them off results in very noticeable improvements as far as page load time goes. I do miss the status bar though. I managed to turn it on, on my Umid MBook SE, but I don't remember how I did it. Besides, even when on, I don't think it shows the same information as it did in IE8, you know, waiding for page... etc. You know, even though I did mention downloading a game here, I know we're off topic. But you have to admit, when this list gets one of it's frequent off topic threads going, it's usually something good. Really though, it's a pretty in the air question, since there are plenty of games that are played in, and that might be affected by the differences of browsers. Also, regarding the recent discussion of Jim's hardware, that's definitely on topic since gaming is of course affected by what kind of hardware you try to run it on. Speaking of which, my Umid MBook SE turned out to be very amusing as far as a gaming computer goes. At first, it was nasty trying to play swamp until some people on here pointed out that maybe I had graphics mode turned on. I did, even though I can't see at all, no idea how it got turned on. So I turned it off and it worked fine after that. Well sort of. The touch pad is in the lid, just to the right of the screen. You operate it with your thumb, unless you really want to stick your pointer finger out and swipe at it that is. But it's a touch pad, not a trackball or even one of those little rubbery things you slide your finger on like a lot of linovo computers have that people are so happy with because they hate the way touch pads always jump all over the place when they're not trying to use them. Touch pads generally use heat to figure out where you're touching them, and I don't think the one on the Umid MBook SE is an exception. The problem is, your thumb takes up the whole thing. This means it has a hard time perceiving movements of your thumb since it can't really sense heat moving around on it given of course as I said your finger's heat takes up the whole thing anyway. The best way to get it to move around is to kind of swipe at it without actually touching it, about a millimeter away or so. It's funny because if you try touching it, sliding right, then lift your thumb and move back to the left, press your thumb down on it and swipe right again, trying to turn to the right, you actually turn left or just kind of dance around and don't get very far. There are two buttons on the left side of t
[Audyssey] Help with Silver Sword
Hi All, I was wondering about this supposedly accessible Silver Sword RPG? I've read the manual, and am able to move around, and create characters and such. The issue I seem to be having is one of mapping. I'm very confused: am I supposed to be able to tell where I am or where I'm going somehow? I could count steps or the like, but that seems rather inefficient. I'm not sure this game qualifies as "accessible" in my book, just because I feel there's a substantial part of it I'm missing. Any input from Michael or anyone else with more info would be appreciated. Best and thanks, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Swamp: brainstorming ideas for expansion and player limiting.
The following are some concepts I've been playing with as additions to the game. Skills. I don't know what future things are tied in to the current experience system, but an alternative to an overall level would be to subdivide experience by spending it on skills. Begin with an initial award for a new character, and gain experience as normal, except that dependent upon the weapon you are using, the experience is added to the pile for the given skill, rather than as an overall level. Skills might include medic, (small award for healing yourself, larger for healing others) pistols, rifles, shotguns and heavy weapons. When grenades come into play, then grenadier could also be a skill. Skill benefits might include more healing per kit for the medic skill and accuracy boosts for the weapon skills, not so that a miss becomes a hit, but so that each hit becomes more damaging. What might be a graze only doing small damage would become a more damaging strike. To balance this, death should cost experience points equal to a third of each skill category. Weapons at the zone should have level minima as they do now, but specific to their skill category. As levels will advance more slowly with the points being divided up, the minima should be lower than they are now for some of the heavier weapons. Finally, when a character begins play for the first time, he/she should be issued a weapon to match his skill specialization. After death, go back to the pistol, but give the newbie characters a little boost. The advantages I see to this wad of modifications are that they would support character differentiation with mechanical rewards/limitations. In turn, this could encourage some very different playing styles and specializations, which would come into play when group missions are available. It would then become a good idea to have a sniper, a couple soldier types and a medic on your expedition. Each could fulfill particular roles, to the benefit of the mission. Alternately, it creates an interesting choice say for the pistol specialist who is confronting a situation where a rifle might be more useful. Does he stick with his weapon of greatest skill, trading range for accuracy, or does he pick up the rifle and go at it? To support these ideas, we'd need at least a couple more pistols and submachine guns, of which there are currently only one of each. Add in, say an Uzi, tougher to break than the MP5 (they are legendary for being able to fire under extremely bad conditions) and maybe a Gloch or something with a bigger magazine, and a Desert Eagle with six shots but more stopping power. This would add some ammo types to the game as well, 9MM and .44 I believe. Inventory. Players should have ready weapons and carried weapons. Given the nature of looting, it would be over complicated to limit the absolute number of weapons carried, but each character should choose two ready weapons which can be readily swapped. If they want to go to one of the carried but unready weapons, impose a delay in switching, and the formerly ready weapon becomes unready. Example: Mad Dog Riley is armed to the teeth. Given his specialties, he choose the Benelli and the MP5 as his ready weapons. After a firefight in the church, he emerges, low on health to find himself confronted by a dozen or more of the undead blocking his path to safety. Well crap, thinks he, I'm almost out of .45 rounds, and the Benelli is nice for stopping power, but I'm going to get overrun. Does he stick with what he has ready, or does he take the extra time to unlimber the M60 for crowd control purposes. I'm also suggesting that the safe zone storage be finite and change based on donations/withdrawals. So if no one has been donating .45 ammo, you're out of luck if you need it for your MP5. To balance this, we should be able to pick up more than one of a given weapon type, or else there would never be weapons available for purchase from the Zone. The best games are about forcing players to make choices, each of which is high stakes. These points become the places around which the story of the game revolves. This is the idea that is behind every suggestion I make for advances in the game. As it stands right now, I have to royally screw up to die, even fresh from having done so and being out of ammunition. I have praised Jeremy for creating a game that rewards caution and patience. I'm looking forward to the missions to provide incentives to throw caution to the wind and dare the odds. I'd like to see every decision made have impact on the character's future. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
What game are you folks playing and where can i get it? On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:06:47 -0700 "Richard Sherman" writes: > Hi, > > The bridge isn't that bad. many times, there are a few people who > gang up, > snipe the bridge, and clear it out. it takes some time for a group > to form > there again. Just listen for this and cross when they say it is > fairly > clear. > > HTH. > > Shermanator > - Original Message - > From: "john" > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:23 AM > > > Part of the loot thing (in my opinion) is that at many times, > there are so many zombies near the bridge, people can't get > across to claim the loot there. They snatch up the loot on the > west side, but nobody makes it to the east side, so when loot > generates over there, it stays there. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of > the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ee3b034c8850a900f2st02duc --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Zero Sight
It should run, but we still have to make specific tests. The system requirements on the website are not definitive. 2011/12/10 william lomas > how good will this run on a netbook though i guess as said, not good > really? > > On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Hayden Presley wrote: > > > Hi,Yes; > > There's a certain pleasure in taking off manually rather than just having > > to taxi and getup into the air. > > > > Best Regards, > > Hayden > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] > On > > Behalf Of Jorge Gonçalves > > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 5:01 AM > > To: Gamers Discussion list > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Zero Sight > > > > Hello. > > I am really amazed with the sounds and concepts of your game. > > Really really loved it. > > It's been a longtime I was waiting for something like this. > > Keep up the great work. > > Cheers, > > Jorge Gonçalves > > jopo...@hotmail.com > > Skype: joport3 > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/goncalvesjorge > > Webpage: www.jorgegoncalves.com > > > > On 12/9/2011 10:00 AM, Shard Workshop wrote: > >> Hello Hayden, I'm Lorenzo Bellincampi, founder of Shard Workshop. Don't > >> worry, having a desktop is not a strict requirement. If for some reason > > you > >> don't have a keypad (netbook, some laptopt etc) there are two > alternative > >> keys for giving and taking power from the engines. > >> > >> 2011/12/8 william lomas > >> > >>> wonder when this is out i guess just started development though? > >>> also it mentions pressing the plus key what about I wonder, those who > do > >>> not have a desktop? > >>> > >>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:33 AM, Hayden Presley wrote: > >>> > Hi, > I'm a little confused on that point myself; there seemed to be direct > altitude control in the game, although that might just be the demo. > > Best Regards, > Hayden > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > > list, > >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > >>> > >> --- > >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > > list, > >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > >> > >> > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4065 - Release Date: 12/07/11 > > > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/game
[Audyssey] SilverSword manual
Hi Folks, While attachments are not allowed, I pasted the SilverSword help document below: Silversword Manual Contents Contents 1 Introduction 4 Credits 5 About the mechanics 6 Starting the game 6 General interaction 6 The party roster 7 The Ruin Camp 8 Create a character 8 STATS 9 ST = Strength9 DX = Dexterity9 CN = Constitution9 IQ = Intelligence9 LK = Luck 9 HP = Hit Points 9 SP = Spell Points 9 AC = Armour class 10 THAC0 = To Hit AC0 Chance 10 Creating your party 11 Managing your party 11 Discard a character 11 Rename a character 11 Change the order 11 Spells 11 Conjurer Spells 14 Level 1 14 Level 2 14 Level 3 15 Level 4 15 Level 5 15 Level 6 16 Level 7 16 Magician Spells 17 Level 1 17 Level 2 17 Level 3 18 Level 4 18 Level 5 18 Level 6 19 Level 7 19 Sorcerer Spells 20 Level 1 20 Level 2 20 Level 3 21 Level 4 21 Level 5 21 Level 6 22 Level 7 22 Wizard Spells 23 Level 1 23 Level 2 23 Level 3 23 Level 4 24 Level 5 24 Level 6 24 Level 7 25 Archmage Spells 26 Level 1 26 Level 2 26 Level 3 26 Level 4 26 Level 5 27 Level 6 27 Level 7 27 Bard Songs 28 Tune of Illumination 28 Song of Life 28 Traveller's ditty 28 Paladin Prayers 29 Blessing of Sodar 29 Shield of Sodar 29 Grace of Sodar 29 Sodar's Recall 29 The Races and Classes of Tarnak 30 The Races 30 Humans 30 Dwarves 30 Elves 30 Hobbits 31 Gnomes 31 High-Men 31 Barbarians 31 The Classes 33 Warrior 33 Paladin 33 Rogue 33 Bard 33 Hunter 33 Monk 34 Conjurer 34 Magician 34 Sorcerer 34 Wizard 34 Archmage 34 Items 35 AC 35 Dmg 35 SV 35 toHit 35 Charges 35 Stackables 35 Runes 36 Travelling around 36 Day and Night 36 Doors 36 Chests 37 Chest Mini Game 37 Combat 37 How Combat starts 38 Attack 38 Defend 38 Reload 39 Use Item 39 Cast a spell 39 Hide in shadows 39 Change equipment 39 How combat is evaluated 40 Silversword Lite Version 41 Introduction Around Christmas 2010 I decided to program Silversword. I always wanted to make my own role-playing game and the lack of Bard's Tale-like stuff on the iDevices finally got me to this. Now - at the end of 2011 - with only a few weeks left until the release of the full version, and half a year after the release of the lite version, I am very satisfied with the result. Before giving credits I want you to know that you can buy the Silversword Compendium as an In-App-Purchase from within the game. Why is that? I put a lot of effort into creating the skills, spells, classes, races and other game mechanics. You can play the game without the Compendium, but you have to do some research to find out how everything works. If you want to know everything, and want to have detailed information about the mechanics, I ask you to honour my work that I put into the Compendium and to buy it. Credits My special thanks go to: Frank Klueppel, for creating wonderful graphics, maps, and background stories. Hopefully he will publish his Roleplaying Game RISE someday. Kristina Giepen, for drawing all characters and creatures. Without her, the game would probably have a different look. Chris Gerbracht, for giving me feedback, stories and things to think about. Further thanks go to: Ben Schuettler and Lars Heidieker, for helping me out with those nasty Objective-C problems. And very hearty thanks go to: All you Silversword Lite players who provided me with valuable feedback throughout the months! The Game is dedicated to Jens Jochimsthal, who teased me for 20 years with the idea of Silversword - and to Alicia Kernenbach, where my heart resides. Mario J. Gaida November 2011 About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons & Dragons. You control a group (your "party") of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game, you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp, you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction You play the game by touching the elements on the screen. Cross-hair Panel Cast Spell Use Item Play Song Show Map+Log Settings able area Spell Effects A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]"). We will call it "Link" from now on. You can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your scree
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
i know windows 7 has an xp mode, but from the problems I've seen posted by many people this is by no means universally compatible. , and if I wanted to play wii games I'd buy a wii, however while I could stil play Snes or nes games through Wii virtual console, I could not do the same thing in later windows, which is my point. However this is my last message on this topic sinse I think we have said all that is really sayable here, and ultimately whatever we think microsoft will do their own sweet thing anyhow, and we'll need to cope as usual. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Alex Kenny" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a licensed, virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with software compatibility that might exist between the two operating systems. To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES and can play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages to the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers because you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. On 12/12/11, dark wrote: Hi Alex. But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a licenced microsoft virtual machine? Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because vista was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and they'd lose sales. I don't really understand this business about "technology moves move with it" I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it because I like the games on it. The fact that something is "new technology" has no real applicability to myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't actually let us do the things we want. A computer is afterall just a tool. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Alex Kenny" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Willem Venter" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what d
Re: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info
just to ask. what is soul calibur. is it axesable? is it for the pc? is it free? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:23 AM Subject: Gamers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 125 Send Gamers mailing list submissions to gamers@audyssey.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gamers-requ...@audyssey.org You can reach the person managing the list at gamers-ow...@audyssey.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gamers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. a bit more soul calibur info (Clement Chou) 2. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward) 3. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward) 4. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Thomas Ward) 5. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Dallas O'Brien) 6. Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf (Dallas O'Brien) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:41:57 -0800 From: "Clement Chou" To: , "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info Message-ID: <6E713B7FC438444F881C90CBEE2F8CD2@setbc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No vids this time, just some facts that some people may not have about the gameplay system. The three biggest things to point out are probably, the just guard, brave edge, and critical edge. Just guard is basically a perry maneuver. When you tap the guard button and let it go, you'll have a few frames during which if an opponent hits you with an attack, you will automatically perry their attack and will be able to punish them while they're recoverying. Brave edge is basically a powered up version of a normal move. If you compare the SF games with this, the SF games have special and ex-specials. In SC, you don't really have special moves... instead you have a series of normal attacks that can be increased in power and have certain properties. A critical edge is the SC equivalent to a super move. The command for the critical edge is the same for everyone, but unlike 2d games you can't just throw them out and hope they connect... you have to combo into them. Because if you perform one and miss, you're in big, big trouble. Aside from these three things, the rest of the gameplay is more or less the same, just without the critical finisher, and the speed is faster. Hope this little snippet was somewhat informative! -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:45:20 -0500 From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Well, that's where Ebay and places like that come in handy. I've seen old Pentium 133 computers with Windows 95 on them for like $15. You could purchase the computer or find someone on there selling Windows 95 separately on the cheep and install it in a virtual machine. That's really the only solution for hanging on to software that is that old. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Michael Gauler wrote: Yea... But what do you do about the classic games? Surely, there are still many people in the world who want to use the old games. But running an outdated operating system like Windows 95 or older on modern PCs isn't an option when the os doesn't get along with your hardware due to a lack of drivers... And you might want to use a virtual machine, but then is the question where to get that old operating system you need legally. Good if you still have installation media, but what if not? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:56:46 -0500 From: Thomas Ward To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Michael, That is true. Technically the DirectX end user license forbids installing the components separately out side of the official Microsoft installer, and of course dx7vb.dll and dx8vb.dll do not ship with newer DirectX runtime distributions. From a legal standpoint its a lose-lose situation. However, several people like Jim Kitchen, GMA, etc install those libraries anyway, and I don't see it as a very big crime. No one has ever been asked to remove it from their installers and Microsoft hasn't given anyone grief over it
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
That would be because he's probably not much interested in Game Cube or Wii games. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: "Alex Kenny" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a licensed, virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with software compatibility that might exist between the two operating systems. To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES and can play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages to the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers because you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. On 12/12/11, dark wrote: Hi Alex. But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a licenced microsoft virtual machine? Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because vista was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and they'd lose sales. I don't really understand this business about "technology moves move with it" I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it because I like the games on it. The fact that something is "new technology" has no real applicability to myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't actually let us do the things we want. A computer is afterall just a tool. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Alex Kenny" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Willem Venter" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers "see it looks different, so it is new" where as most of the code is reused over windows versions. I agree with those who said that for innovation to happen we need change, but change does not always indicate something better. On 12/12/11, Dallas O'Brien wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wr
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Dark, That's true, but that's mainly because the majority of situations in which backward-compatibility outside the slow-moving blindness market is enterprises. Most home users who buy a new computer use word processors, web browsers, email clients, and games. To elaborate on the games since this is a gaming list *grins*, most games now are either online or written in a modern programming language, so backward-compatibility with VB or other old technologies isn't a huge issue in the consumer market. On 12/12/11, john wrote: > Problem with xp mode is that it only works on win7 pro or > ultimate, no home premium users, which is most of what (at least > as far as I know) is being sold in computer shops, using Best BUy > Buy as my basis. > > - Original Message - > From: Alex Kenny To: Gamers Discussion list Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:31:44 -0330 > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf > > Hi Dark, > Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of > research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a > licensed, > virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with > software compatibility that might exist between the two operating > systems. > > To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES > and can > play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages > to > the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers > because > you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. > > > > On 12/12/11, dark wrote: > Hi Alex. > > But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they > have any > options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for > instance a > licenced microsoft virtual machine? > > Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply > because vista > was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines > were being > bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for > what the > majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os > and they'd > lose sales. > > I don't really understand this business about "technology moves > move with > it" > > I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I > keep it > because I like the games on it. > > The fact that something is "new technology" has no real > applicability to > myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't > actually > let us do the things we want. > > A computer is afterall just a tool. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Kenny" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf > > > Hi Dark, > > Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. > Microsoft > actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older > products. > For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as > much as > it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in > order to > fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really > behaved as > you described, they would have just released Vista two years > early and > dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to > 2014, > ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by > then, XP > will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It > wouldn't be > a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to > at > some point move along with it. > > If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that > have > been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, > DOS > operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many > bugs to > worry about... > > I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most > people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command > prompts. > > > On 12/12/11, dark wrote: > Agreed William, this is just what I mean. > > As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just > concerned with > their > bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept > as a > statistic. > > And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay > the people > who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. > > The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most > things run on > it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not > necessarily > because I actually like microsoft at all. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > - Original Message - > From: "Willem Venter" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf > > > Hi dark. > Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain > or > lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was > based > on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to > vb.net so > they could sell them a new set of developme
Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.comisaccessible.Was: RE: Silversword question
A dropbox or sendspace link would be appreciated... I'm interested and wnat to know how it works. Also, I want to know how accessible this is. - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Hartley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.comisaccessible.Was: RE: Silversword question Hi Phil, Sure thing. In fact, I have just saved it as a text file. If I remember correctly, aren't attachments banned from this list? I didn't want to go ahead and send the attachment, and have it banned and cause bandwidth problems for the mods. I will send it directly to you. Then, if anyone else wants a copy, I can upload it to sendspace or something if attachments are restricted on this list. Jeremy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com isaccessible.Was: RE: Silversword question Hi Jeremy, I downloaded the manual again and it is still a graphic PDF that I can't read. Can you save it as an RTF or TXT version? Phil - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Hartley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible.Was: RE: Silversword question Hi Phil and all, I downloaded the silver sword manual from the silversword-rpg.com site under the downloads section. I am using the latest version of acrobat reader. Not sure which version of acrobat reader you have, but it comes up perfectly fine with links and headings for each section. In fact, I didn't even have to change the reading order. Wonder if Mario already updated the pdf just in the last three hours? If so, wow, that is quick work. By the way, the Game Mechanics you posted from your OCR copy were just as it says in the pdf. Jeremy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC?
Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible.Was: RE: Silversword question
Hey, I have just converted the manuel into a text document. This means that all screen readers will be able to read it without any trouble. I will post it here in a minute. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com isaccessible.Was: RE: Silversword question
Hi Phil, Sure thing. In fact, I have just saved it as a text file. If I remember correctly, aren't attachments banned from this list? I didn't want to go ahead and send the attachment, and have it banned and cause bandwidth problems for the mods. I will send it directly to you. Then, if anyone else wants a copy, I can upload it to sendspace or something if attachments are restricted on this list. Jeremy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com isaccessible.Was: RE: Silversword question Hi Jeremy, I downloaded the manual again and it is still a graphic PDF that I can't read. Can you save it as an RTF or TXT version? Phil - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Hartley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible.Was: RE: Silversword question > Hi Phil and all, > > I downloaded the silver sword manual from the silversword-rpg.com site > under > the downloads section. I am using the latest version of acrobat reader. > Not sure which version of acrobat reader you have, but it comes up > perfectly > fine with links and headings for each section. In fact, I didn't even > have > to change the reading order. > > Wonder if Mario already updated the pdf just in the last three hours? If > so, wow, that is quick work. > > By the way, the Game Mechanics you posted from your OCR copy were just as > it > says in the pdf. > > Jeremy > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Phil Vlasak > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:46 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question > > Hi Michael, > I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR > package to convert it to readable text. > I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. > Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, > but there may be scanning errors: > About the mechanics > Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries > to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons > Dragons. > > you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four > slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing > enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have > to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in > combat. > > Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are > taken > to the Ruin Camp. > > In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It > might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, > but > you can of course create your own characters. > > General interaction > > you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. > > 4- Cross-hair panel > > 4- Cast Spell > > 4- Use Item > > 4- play Song > > Spell Effects > > 4- Show Map > +mob Settings > > > A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is > marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now > on. > > you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its > upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair > panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the > upper > > right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by > touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply > touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower > half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, > see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects > area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by > your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by > itself -just touch the entry and confirm. > > The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party > members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the > name, > > the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the > current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual > condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the > following: > PSNDyour character is poisoned. > NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. > POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! > INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. > STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! > STONyour character has turned in to stone. > DEAD guess what? > > > > The
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hello, Actually, The blindness community attacked Windows XP just as much because it was not Windows 9X, and Windows was attacked just as much because it was not Dos. The truth is, people like to bitch when things change, and they take it personally. The world is out to get them. In other words, they like to whine a lot. For blind people who have been trained to use a computer by rote rather than learning how to explore and figure out a system, this is only worse. The fact is, times, technology, everything changes; and it is not comfortable for those who learned an earlier way of doing things. People who never learned the old habits, on the other hand, do not need to unlearn their old habits and just learn it. They complain as well, though. Just spend some time with kids at school to see what I am talking about. The fact is, change is the only constant in the universe. It is the thing we can count on. As far as I am concerned, this is a very good thing. It keeps things from becoming stagnent.. David Chittenden, MSc, DRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/12/2011, at 13:13, Hayden Presley wrote: > HI,AN > D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when > they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS > made XP? Possibly, it was an update? > > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated > Lone Wolf > > besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free > operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of > code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because > they had time to sort a lot of things out. > dallas > > > On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right >> in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And >> was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing >> I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out >> with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to >> market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable >> product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and >> reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the >> task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of >> time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility >> they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the >> customers. >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >> - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an >> updated Lone Wolf >> >> >>> Hi Charles and all, >>> >>> If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista >>> came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot >>> of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs >>> in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware >>> requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same >>> hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware >>> every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you >>> guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this >>> because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years >>> or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamer
Re: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible.Was: RE: Silversword question
Hi Jeremy, I downloaded the manual again and it is still a graphic PDF that I can't read. Can you save it as an RTF or TXT version? Phil - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Hartley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible.Was: RE: Silversword question Hi Phil and all, I downloaded the silver sword manual from the silversword-rpg.com site under the downloads section. I am using the latest version of acrobat reader. Not sure which version of acrobat reader you have, but it comes up perfectly fine with links and headings for each section. In fact, I didn't even have to change the reading order. Wonder if Mario already updated the pdf just in the last three hours? If so, wow, that is quick work. By the way, the Game Mechanics you posted from your OCR copy were just as it says in the pdf. Jeremy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.or
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hi Mike. I'm not sure what the button to the left of cast spell is. However, the way I generally find out info about unlabeled buttons is just to double tap them and see what happens. Generally, you're not going to break anything by doing that. As for visuals, I'm not sure if there are any as I'm also totally blind. The game was initially designed for sighted people though, so I imagine there would be pictures or artwork of some sort. Allison On 12/13/2011 5:11 PM, michael barnes wrote: Hey, Allison. Do you know what the button left of the cast spell button is? And when you are walking around does it show visual? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] SilverSword PDF from SilverSword-rpg.com is accessible. Was: RE: Silversword question
Hi Phil and all, I downloaded the silver sword manual from the silversword-rpg.com site under the downloads section. I am using the latest version of acrobat reader. Not sure which version of acrobat reader you have, but it comes up perfectly fine with links and headings for each section. In fact, I didn't even have to change the reading order. Wonder if Mario already updated the pdf just in the last three hours? If so, wow, that is quick work. By the way, the Game Mechanics you posted from your OCR copy were just as it says in the pdf. Jeremy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey, I just had a great thought! On the silversword website there is a forum that you can join. One of the forum topic is features you would like to see added to the game. It would be a great thing if all of us who like the game to get on the forum so the developer and other blind gamers who are not on the list can read our ideas for the game. I am already a member of the forum. So please come and join me to make the game more accessible for all of us. The more that Mario see that blind gamers besides me is playing the game it will show the importance of accessibility for Silversword. Here is the web address for the Silversword. www.silversword-rpg.com Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
You're right about Vista, but 7 was a mature product on release. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf > Hi Charles and all, > > If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista > came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot > of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs > in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware > requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same > hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware > every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you > guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this > because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years > or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. > > Cheers! > > > On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I >> buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have >> to >> buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't >> be >> loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I >> need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down >> the >> road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC >> to >> be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. >> Two >> years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, >> another >> one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, >> I >> have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the >> new >> technology. This! is! crap! >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf
The command prompt worked well enough for everyone too, except that it didn't really. The ribbons certainly have been controversial, but MS had a reason to believe it would be more convenient for the vast majority of their user base. Remember, companies don't design for edge cases, and we my friend are an edge case to a company that does the volume of sales that Microsoft does. It's the trade-off, you don't pay the blindness tax that you do with specialized companies, but you have to roll with what they provide to a much greater extent. The willingness of IOS and Android application developers to put access into their apps is a welcome exception to this phenomenon. So, if you want software designed with access in mind, then use HJPad or Guide or something like that, and no disrespect to you or those who use such programs, I've taught them when I thought it was warranted. But if you want access to the larger computer world, you're going to have to meet it part way at least, and the bigger the company you buy software from, the farther you're going to have to go. Don't like the ribbons, I believe there is a work-around that puts the menus back in, at least for Office 2007. But please, many of the rest of us have experienced the ongoing advances in computer and related technologies to be a boon for our access to services and information, so try to understand why we find your viewpoint puzzling at best and frustratingly indicative of a problem in our community that holds back innovation in our own software designs. Christopher Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf One of the points is that they don't need another new interface unless they replace the darned ribbon interface with something that everyone, on an equal basis, can use. The pulldown menu interface worked for everyone, and it should have been left alone. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf > HI, > Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the > ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well > and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack > that > onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep > complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about > this kind of thing? > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Gauler > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated > Lone Wolf > > Hi Thomas, > I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in > future > > Windows operating systems or other programs. > But I'd like to adress a few points as well. > If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for > all users and not because security might be better. > But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design > changes. > I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. > I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which > screen reader can best handle it. > I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. > But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and > removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for > every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. > I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or > skin packs? > The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created > content. > Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several > sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and > when > > the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to > figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly > compared to us blind people. > And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. > It would be good if thoose could be improoved. > But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an > operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first > installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank > one). > For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it > became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few old
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hi Michael, There is a manual.pdf in the download section of http://silversword-rpg.com/ - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question Hey, Phil. Can you send me the manuel that you have found for Silversword? I can convert graphic text to screen reader readable text with System Access. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hi, the SilverSword role playing game is for the iPhone or iPad. http://silversword-rpg.com/ I need to OCR the rest of the PDF manual. It is about 50 pages. Phil - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question hmmm this looks cool phill, is this ios or pc. How would one interact with mouse or keyboard. At 09:46 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
It's IOS. I may give it a try one of these days. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question hmmm this looks cool phill, is this ios or pc. How would one interact with mouse or keyboard. At 09:46 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey. If those of you that are playing the game please send Mario a email to suggest things to make the game more accessible for the blind. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey, Phil. Can you send me the manuel that you have found for Silversword? I can convert graphic text to screen reader readable text with System Access. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
John, I'm not sure if you're being funny here, or if that's a serious comment. But riffing on it for a moment, there really isn't much in the way of luck in this game. There are skills, direct physical skills aiming, and tactical skills, knowing where I am, evaluating the risks of current opposition v. my position and weapons load, and situational awareness, maintaining enough awareness to know when it's time to fight, which targets to select and when to run like hell. These are all skills that anyone can develop, at least in this format. That being the case, I find it strange when people complain the game is too hard, excepting actual limitations like hearing problems that I understand to place a genuine disadvantage on the player. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
hmmm this looks cool phill, is this ios or pc. How would one interact with mouse or keyboard. At 09:46 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back on Topic
wandered when this was going to come up, but it was good to air the topic. As a closing to this I must congradulate the community at large for having a good debate without another war starting. Its not allways happened but more often than not, we have started fighting and that has never gone well. Having to respond to things coming thick and fast was a chalenge, email became its own game for a well so thanks all for a good chat. At 09:14 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hello everyone, Ok, it is time to get the list back on topic. I initially allowed the technology debate to continue as long as I have as I felt it would be helpful or instructive for gamers to here all sides of the issue. Especially, since upgrading from XP to Windows 7 and Windows 8 may have an effect on the future of accessible gaming. However, after having just read a bunch of e-mails where the same points of view were being repeted over and over again in a circular and unending argument without resolution its just time to agree to disagree and get back to gaming. Bottom line, weather you agree or disagree with where Microsoft is going with their Windows OS here isn't the proper place to debate the point. If you really want to be heard, to have a voice in what Microsoft does, then you have to pay to become a MSDN subscriber, sign up for Microsoft's Windows beta testing program, and speak directly to the Microsoft developers who are in a position to make changes in the next Windows OS. If you simply don't care to do that or have no desire to upgrade then don't. We do not need to have a long winded discussion on the issue, because right or wrong, good or bad, for better or worse, we have no control over the companies that produce our computers, write the software, and set market trends. Complaining about it serves no purpose that I can see. So let's give it a rest, and get back on topic. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hi Michael, I found a Silversword_help.pdf file but it is graphic and needs an OCR package to convert it to readable text. I wrote to Mario and maybe he will put out a RTF or TXT version. Here is the section about the interface of the game that I used a OCR on, but there may be scanning errors: About the mechanics Silversword is a game in the genre of The Bards Tale. This means, it tries to simulate a roleplaying session like you might know from Dungeons Dragons. you control a group (your "party') of up to seven members. The first four slots are melee slots, meaning that this is the front line when facing enemies. The last three slots are the members in the second row, they have to use ranged weapons, special items or magic spells to participate in combat. Starting the game After having installed and started the game,you are taken to the Ruin Camp. In the Ruin Camp,you can find new heroes to join you on your adventure. It might happen that your party is already filled with some brave fellows, but you can of course create your own characters. General interaction you play the game by touching the elements on the screen. 4- Cross-hair panel 4- Cast Spell 4- Use Item 4- play Song Spell Effects 4- Show Map +mob Settings A touchable area in the text output (upper right side of the screen) is marked by brackets (e.g. "[ Touch me ]). We will call it "Link" from now on. you can move by touching the view (upper left side of the screen) on its upper half, or at its sides. But it is more elegant to use the cross-hair panel, which you can activate by touching the cross-hair symbol on the upper right side of your screen. Change the position of the cross-hair panel by touching and dragging the symbol. you go into character view by simply touching a character new in your party roster, which fills up the lower half of your screen. To change order or to rename or discard a character, see the section "Managing your party". By touching the Spell Effects area,you can get an overview of active spell effects that are summoned by your party members. It is possible to end an effect before it fades by itself -just touch the entry and confirm. The party roster The lower half of the screen is reserved for your party members. you can form a party of up to seven characters. Shown are the name, the armour class (AC), the actual condition, the current hit points, the current spell points, and the class shortcut of each character. The actual condition may be either your full hit point value, or one of the following: PSNDyour character is poisoned. NUTS your character is insane, he may attack your party. POSS your character is haunted by evil spirits. Dangerous! INC? your character is incapacitated and can't act in combat. STUN your character is paralyzed, AC counts only 50%! STONyour character has turned in to stone. DEAD guess what? The Ruin Camp In the Ruin Camp you have the following options: [ Create a character] [ Acid a character] [ Remove a character] [ Delete a character] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf
Well I guess everyone wants to change. Not strictly to ms but my aunt works in a clothing company, everything was working, then they changed systems, and suffered and now just like ms they are getting the reputation of being unstable with staff not being happy, like some consumers with ms. We don't know which way it will go and that is probably more annoying than the issues themselves. At 07:41 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: One of the points is that they don't need another new interface unless they replace the darned ribbon interface with something that everyone, on an equal basis, can use. The pulldown menu interface worked for everyone, and it should have been left alone. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf HI, Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack that onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about this kind of thing? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Gauler Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@a
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Same here, though the extra inaccessability of stuff combined with all of the system self monitering and self repairing makes the admin's life quite simple. Even with xp its simple, I remember having to baby sit systems when it was in the 9x days. At 06:35 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0700, you wrote: AllI care about with a new OS is that it works more often than not and that I can play the games I enjoy. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, "no way Jose. Upgrading is bad." Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley wrote: HI, D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I aggree tom. Unfortunately with the vista issue and the fact ms has loads of security issues with its earlier oses and some other things I can't remember as well as their suing nature, people are not likely to forget their crappyness even if they are trying. When Avg stuffed v9 access I switched to ms security. I have no desire to go back. I lost most of the control in what the program did but got interfated updates into the os, and almost no false alarms. The ability not to ever have to touch the program unless it gave me an alert and instant access. And ms is not all that bad to be honest, they just have a bit of a reputation of making good software then breaking it totally. At 07:35 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you wan
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Shaun, I know I'm not a moderator, but... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:37 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf Yeah its more stable, I have hardly had a crash on my brother's system. This morning after upgrading supernova did not want to start and I had to restart a couple times to get it working again. Explorer also likes to crash especially if I shove large files from drive to drive, and I have to restart it, that does not always take things down, sometimes ie likes to crash to. At 08:13 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: >Hi ?Dallas, > >Good point. I almost forgot about that, but the way they now handle >system processes does make the OS more stable and reliable than prior >versions. The new task manager is a lot more effective when you can >stop and restart Explorer without rebooting the system or it taking >the entire system with it is great.I'd never go back to XP, because >there are really things like that which makes upgrading worthwhile. > >Cheers! > > >On 12/13/11, Dallas O'Brien wrote: > > ahaha. yeah. and thats why i love 7. because they have devided > > processes, so even if one thing gos, the hole system don't go with it. > > unlike xp. > > and an interesting point for you. in 8, they have added a function to > > the task manager. and that is, if you highlight the explorer.exe, you > > can for restart it. better way of doing things, instead of using a > > command prompt to kill it off, and reboot it. > > dallas > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Yeah its more stable, I have hardly had a crash on my brother's system. This morning after upgrading supernova did not want to start and I had to restart a couple times to get it working again. Explorer also likes to crash especially if I shove large files from drive to drive, and I have to restart it, that does not always take things down, sometimes ie likes to crash to. At 08:13 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi ?Dallas, Good point. I almost forgot about that, but the way they now handle system processes does make the OS more stable and reliable than prior versions. The new task manager is a lot more effective when you can stop and restart Explorer without rebooting the system or it taking the entire system with it is great.I'd never go back to XP, because there are really things like that which makes upgrading worthwhile. Cheers! On 12/13/11, Dallas O'Brien wrote: > ahaha. yeah. and thats why i love 7. because they have devided > processes, so even if one thing gos, the hole system don't go with it. > unlike xp. > and an interesting point for you. in 8, they have added a function to > the task manager. and that is, if you highlight the explorer.exe, you > can for restart it. better way of doing things, instead of using a > command prompt to kill it off, and reboot it. > dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Well when I switch to 7 I plan to get classic shell, since that looks like it will be the best way to get best of both worlds. Now all I need is a sound recorder that is like the one in xp but better, audacity is ok but another free something would rock. sound recorder in win7 is a bit busy in my opinion. At 08:04 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, in some respects Vista is better than XP in certain areas like security, better graphics technology, support for blue ray movies, etc. However, there is no arguing that Microsoft rushed the release of Vista, the initial release was unstable, and it cost Microsoft a lot of respect and credibility. Microsoft had to release Windows 7 quickly to address a number of issues in Vista to hopefully regain the trust and support of their user base. That said, I think Microsoft has learned from their mistakes because Windows 7 is far more stable than Vista, runs much better on the same hardware, and is the operating system Microsoft should have released instead of Vista. Plus as I've said I've had some experience with the new Windows 8 development beta and it seems to be very rock solid stable for a beta. So while Microsoft did make a catastrophic mistake with Vista its not likely one they are going to make again any time soon. You are certainly right in saying Microsoft should be more careful to test their new software for stability and reliability, and I think they are now doing that with Windows 7 and Windows 8 respectfully. When Vista was released companies like Del, HP, Compaq, ran two different lines of PCS one with Vista and one with Windows XP. Marketing serveys clearly showed that the systems running Windows XP out sold those with Vista on them. Too make matters worse Del and some other manufacturers actually began shipping PCs preloaded with Linux on them which further cut into Microsoft's Vista market. Apple's sales of Mac OS X nearly doubled between 2007 and 2008. It couldn't have been more clear to Microsoft that Vista was a complete failure. Do you honestly expect them to repete that mistake again? I for one don't think so. I've seen Windows 7 and Windows 8 first-hand and both are huge improvements over Windows Vista. They both are also better than XP in a number of areas as well. For example, Microsoft SAPI 5.4--which comes with Windows 7---has some improvements over SAPI 5.1. Improved speech recognition, Microsoft Anna is better than Sam, support for real time ssml tagging for realistic speech output, etc. The ability to pin applications to the taskbar for quick reference. As Valiant mentioned if an application like Internet Explorer is pinned to the taskbar you can press a keyboard combo like Windows+1 from anywhere in Windows and immediately jump to that window without having to alt+tab through every open window on the desktop. Windows Explorer now has improved backup features such as the ability to burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and convert unencrypted movie files to video dvds. This saves the Windows 7 user the cost of having to purchase Roxio DVD Creator, Nero Burning Rom, etc. You only need something like Nero for advanced cd and dvd creation tasks. Microsoft's DirectX 11 API is a huge leap forward in 3d graphics for games and other applications. XAudio2 has a number of key advantages over DirectSound including true 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support, the ability to submix sounds in real time, better handling of custom DSP effects, etc. XInput allows you to share game devices between your XBox 360 and your Windows 7 PC. In terms of hardware Windows 7 supports more ram and hard drive space than Windows XP. If memory serves me correctly Windows XP was only designed to support up to 4 GB of ram where the 64-bit version of Windows 7 can support up to 128 GB of ram. While it sounds like that much ram is unecessary the fact of the matter is that high definition video such as realistic 3d graphics rendering and blue ray video technology is upping the hardware requirements on memory and file size every day. It probably won't be that long before games and home movies needs 50 GB of ram to run the way we are going with realistic graphics and video technology. Already most Play Station and XBox games ship on a blue ray dvd because they are 20 to 25 GB in size. Most of that size is do to high definition video clips, 3d graphics, and high definition audio files. Moral of the story is the more we lean torwards high definition multimedia the more CPU power and memory it takes to run it. Something like 128 GB of memory sounds rediculous now, but looking ahead I can clearly see a day when software developers will need it to meet the needs of high definition multimedia tomorrow. Therefore what Microsoft is doing with Windows 7 is looking ahead at what is needed to support this or that higher end multimedia and meet those demands in a newer flashier OS, and its not simply a case of just upgrade XP because that doesn't necessarily work w
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
we almost need skinable oses, office, etc like winamp. Then we can install what we want. So windows should start with a bare bones interface then once we have sound, etc we can actually load the interface ourselves. I myself would like an event with ambient sound that plays one sound constantly, and have each key on the keyboard make a sound, enter make a sound, menus, etc as well as the other things when you open programs, etc, maybe have programs make their own sound. Then I could run my system like a trek ship or something, I am not sure how distracting it could be though but still. At 07:03 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: HI, Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack that onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about this kind of thing? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Gauler Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back on Topic
Hello everyone, Ok, it is time to get the list back on topic. I initially allowed the technology debate to continue as long as I have as I felt it would be helpful or instructive for gamers to here all sides of the issue. Especially, since upgrading from XP to Windows 7 and Windows 8 may have an effect on the future of accessible gaming. However, after having just read a bunch of e-mails where the same points of view were being repeted over and over again in a circular and unending argument without resolution its just time to agree to disagree and get back to gaming. Bottom line, weather you agree or disagree with where Microsoft is going with their Windows OS here isn't the proper place to debate the point. If you really want to be heard, to have a voice in what Microsoft does, then you have to pay to become a MSDN subscriber, sign up for Microsoft's Windows beta testing program, and speak directly to the Microsoft developers who are in a position to make changes in the next Windows OS. If you simply don't care to do that or have no desire to upgrade then don't. We do not need to have a long winded discussion on the issue, because right or wrong, good or bad, for better or worse, we have no control over the companies that produce our computers, write the software, and set market trends. Complaining about it serves no purpose that I can see. So let's give it a rest, and get back on topic. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
That is right! No one here is twisting your arm to upgrade nor do they care! At 08:37 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: Hi, Obviously you have not had to buy said Operating Systems, so I don't understand why you are still griping. To be honest I'm tired of you pressing the same point over and over again. Let me put it this way: you don't want to upgrade, don't do it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf > yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a > new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, > think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with > it! > dallas > > > On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in >> that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was >> Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I >> would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a >> new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market >> before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that >> has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather >> than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be >> massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, >> but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and >> it would also be more readily received by the customers. >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >> - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an >> updated Lone Wolf >> >> >>> Hi Charles and all, >>> >>> If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista >>> came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot >>> of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs >>> in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware >>> requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same >>> hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware >>> every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you >>> guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this >>> because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years >>> or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audysse
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
How about preaching that to FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC! At 08:35 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/ma
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Think they really learned? Anyone remember win me? XP was the fix for that mess, but XP pro was the best for long running. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf
One of the points is that they don't need another new interface unless they replace the darned ribbon interface with something that everyone, on an equal basis, can use. The pulldown menu interface worked for everyone, and it should have been left alone. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated Lone Wolf HI, Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack that onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about this kind of thing? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Gauler Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi, Obviously you have not had to buy said Operating Systems, so I don't understand why you are still griping. To be honest I'm tired of you pressing the same point over and over again. Let me put it this way: you don't want to upgrade, don't do it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf > yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a > new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, > think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with > it! > dallas > > > On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in >> that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was >> Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I >> would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a >> new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market >> before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that >> has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather >> than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be >> massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, >> but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and >> it would also be more readily received by the customers. >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >> - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an >> updated Lone Wolf >> >> >>> Hi Charles and all, >>> >>> If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista >>> came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot >>> of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs >>> in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware >>> requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same >>> hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware >>> every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you >>> guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this >>> because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years >>> or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
AllI care about with a new OS is that it works more often than not and that I can play the games I enjoy. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, "no way Jose. Upgrading is bad." Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley wrote: HI, D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be sea
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, "no way Jose. Upgrading is bad." Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley wrote: > HI, > D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when > they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS > made XP? Possibly, it was an update? > > > Best Regards, > Hayden > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
Christopher, I'm hoping that the missions will bring about the much needed challenges our more experienced players are seeking. > True Darren, but a good game enforces > choices, each of which is significant. > No choice should be inconsequential and no situation should > occur that is > not affected by a choice. I don't know about others, > but I've now reached > the point where death is rare unless I royally screw up or > intentionally > play a bit madly, and I'd like more challenge that the game > presents, rather > than artificial constraints I place on myself. > >    Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
me either. i kept xp around for a bit, but eventually, i have changed over to 7 and above only now. on all three windows laptops i have. dallas On 14/12/2011 11:13, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi ?Dallas, Good point. I almost forgot about that, but the way they now handle system processes does make the OS more stable and reliable than prior versions. The new task manager is a lot more effective when you can stop and restart Explorer without rebooting the system or it taking the entire system with it is great.I'd never go back to XP, because there are really things like that which makes upgrading worthwhile. Cheers! On 12/13/11, Dallas O'Brien wrote: ahaha. yeah. and thats why i love 7. because they have devided processes, so even if one thing gos, the hole system don't go with it. unlike xp. and an interesting point for you. in 8, they have added a function to the task manager. and that is, if you highlight the explorer.exe, you can for restart it. better way of doing things, instead of using a command prompt to kill it off, and reboot it. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Hi ?Dallas, Good point. I almost forgot about that, but the way they now handle system processes does make the OS more stable and reliable than prior versions. The new task manager is a lot more effective when you can stop and restart Explorer without rebooting the system or it taking the entire system with it is great.I'd never go back to XP, because there are really things like that which makes upgrading worthwhile. Cheers! On 12/13/11, Dallas O'Brien wrote: > ahaha. yeah. and thats why i love 7. because they have devided > processes, so even if one thing gos, the hole system don't go with it. > unlike xp. > and an interesting point for you. in 8, they have added a function to > the task manager. and that is, if you highlight the explorer.exe, you > can for restart it. better way of doing things, instead of using a > command prompt to kill it off, and reboot it. > dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey, Allison. Do you know what the button left of the cast spell button is? And when you are walking around does it show visual? -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, Yes, in some respects Vista is better than XP in certain areas like security, better graphics technology, support for blue ray movies, etc. However, there is no arguing that Microsoft rushed the release of Vista, the initial release was unstable, and it cost Microsoft a lot of respect and credibility. Microsoft had to release Windows 7 quickly to address a number of issues in Vista to hopefully regain the trust and support of their user base. That said, I think Microsoft has learned from their mistakes because Windows 7 is far more stable than Vista, runs much better on the same hardware, and is the operating system Microsoft should have released instead of Vista. Plus as I've said I've had some experience with the new Windows 8 development beta and it seems to be very rock solid stable for a beta. So while Microsoft did make a catastrophic mistake with Vista its not likely one they are going to make again any time soon. You are certainly right in saying Microsoft should be more careful to test their new software for stability and reliability, and I think they are now doing that with Windows 7 and Windows 8 respectfully. When Vista was released companies like Del, HP, Compaq, ran two different lines of PCS one with Vista and one with Windows XP. Marketing serveys clearly showed that the systems running Windows XP out sold those with Vista on them. Too make matters worse Del and some other manufacturers actually began shipping PCs preloaded with Linux on them which further cut into Microsoft's Vista market. Apple's sales of Mac OS X nearly doubled between 2007 and 2008. It couldn't have been more clear to Microsoft that Vista was a complete failure. Do you honestly expect them to repete that mistake again? I for one don't think so. I've seen Windows 7 and Windows 8 first-hand and both are huge improvements over Windows Vista. They both are also better than XP in a number of areas as well. For example, Microsoft SAPI 5.4--which comes with Windows 7---has some improvements over SAPI 5.1. Improved speech recognition, Microsoft Anna is better than Sam, support for real time ssml tagging for realistic speech output, etc. The ability to pin applications to the taskbar for quick reference. As Valiant mentioned if an application like Internet Explorer is pinned to the taskbar you can press a keyboard combo like Windows+1 from anywhere in Windows and immediately jump to that window without having to alt+tab through every open window on the desktop. Windows Explorer now has improved backup features such as the ability to burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and convert unencrypted movie files to video dvds. This saves the Windows 7 user the cost of having to purchase Roxio DVD Creator, Nero Burning Rom, etc. You only need something like Nero for advanced cd and dvd creation tasks. Microsoft's DirectX 11 API is a huge leap forward in 3d graphics for games and other applications. XAudio2 has a number of key advantages over DirectSound including true 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support, the ability to submix sounds in real time, better handling of custom DSP effects, etc. XInput allows you to share game devices between your XBox 360 and your Windows 7 PC. In terms of hardware Windows 7 supports more ram and hard drive space than Windows XP. If memory serves me correctly Windows XP was only designed to support up to 4 GB of ram where the 64-bit version of Windows 7 can support up to 128 GB of ram. While it sounds like that much ram is unecessary the fact of the matter is that high definition video such as realistic 3d graphics rendering and blue ray video technology is upping the hardware requirements on memory and file size every day. It probably won't be that long before games and home movies needs 50 GB of ram to run the way we are going with realistic graphics and video technology. Already most Play Station and XBox games ship on a blue ray dvd because they are 20 to 25 GB in size. Most of that size is do to high definition video clips, 3d graphics, and high definition audio files. Moral of the story is the more we lean torwards high definition multimedia the more CPU power and memory it takes to run it. Something like 128 GB of memory sounds rediculous now, but looking ahead I can clearly see a day when software developers will need it to meet the needs of high definition multimedia tomorrow. Therefore what Microsoft is doing with Windows 7 is looking ahead at what is needed to support this or that higher end multimedia and meet those demands in a newer flashier OS, and its not simply a case of just upgrade XP because that doesn't necessarily work when an entire API or technology has to be rewritten from scratch to meet the demands of newer technologies coming down the line. Plus Microsoft probably has reached the peak number of sales for XP so aren't likely to make anything off of rewriting what needs to be done to XP to upgrade it to meet current marketing demands and release A free service pa
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI, Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack that onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about this kind of thing? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Michael Gauler Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Thomas, I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in future Windows operating systems or other programs. But I'd like to adress a few points as well. If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for all users and not because security might be better. But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design changes. I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such. I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which screen reader can best handle it. I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well. But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product. I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or skin packs? The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created content. Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and when the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly compared to us blind people. And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator. It would be good if thoose could be improoved. But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank one). For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older Windows versions. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
ahaha. yeah. and thats why i love 7. because they have devided processes, so even if one thing gos, the hole system don't go with it. unlike xp. and an interesting point for you. in 8, they have added a function to the task manager. and that is, if you highlight the explorer.exe, you can for restart it. better way of doing things, instead of using a command prompt to kill it off, and reboot it. dallas On 14/12/2011 10:51, john wrote: I don't know about this, windows seven was preety darn stable when I got it in 2009. It took some serious messing around to get the thing to get even remotely unstable, we're talking kill off explorer here. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
not beeing funny, but most games of this kind can take a while to get good at. you die a lot to start with. thats how it is. that makes you better. you don't generally go out and buy a game from a shop, come home, and be able to do everything and survive everything in the first hour. sometimes, it can take weeks to get the hang of it! i agree, we don't want things to hard, but we do have to have some dificulty there, otherwise it becomes boring. anyways, its a work in progress, so plenty of time to make it better. and another thing, i agree, sometimes games aren't perfectly real. but it does make things cool. but, as has been said, this is a game. and not all games are totally real. and there could even be a reason why it was done that way past that. and as i said, its the only one thats out of joint with the ammo. the rest are dead on. dallas On 14/12/2011 10:51, john wrote: Very well said. Something else I'd like to point out, while people are talking about more things to make the game tougher, what about the new players we're trying to draw in? - Original Message - From: "Johnny Tai" not used to it. And that's against logs, unmoving logs, so now we're going up against not just zombies, but in some case, very big and scary things, like a tyrant, and you just get close to it and swing that axe as if it weighs nothing...lol So, while a game need a certain ground in logic and realism, it's pointless to stretch reality too far in a purely unreal game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events
have to say, I've been happy with alter sense I started playing again, its come a long way from what it used to be. Its honestly a game I enjoy playing a few hours a day. you can find me on there as Kanon. On 12/13/11, john wrote: > Thank you so much for that link! I personally find the boards > rather confusing, so that was a big help. I'm going to type out > my idea on my notetaker now, and send it as soon as I get back. > > Once again, you rule! > > - Original Message - > From: Dennis Towne To: Gamers Discussion list Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:24:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events > > John, > > Sometimes I don't know how to manage it either :) > > It's probably easiest to check the in-game boards, you can either > 'board set 8' and then read shadowfax's post, or here's a direct > link > to it on the web: > > http://alteraeon.com:8080/board/8/da79565ae18bfd3a4e79b31d5ff0226 > 1 > > Dennis Towne > > Alter Aeon MUD > http://www.alteraeon.com > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, john > wrote: > All hale Dentin! How you manage to do all this and make a new > class and keep > up with life I have absolutely no idea. Keep it up! > As far as the object creation contest goes, can you explain this > a little > more, or should I just check the boards when I get back home? > > > - Original Message - > From: Dennis Towne To: Gamers Discussion list Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:15:01 -0500 > Subject: [Audyssey] Alter Aeon year end events > > Everyone, > > We'd like to welcome you all to the year-end celebration at > Alter Aeon! > > Starting on the 21st of December and going through new years > eve, we > plan to have a number of things going on: > > - The release of a new low level area near Indira > > As part of our ongoing efforts to give level 8-12 players more > quests > and areas to explore, we'll be opening a brand new area north of > the > Old Indira Forest on the island of Kordan. > > - A major update to the troll caves on Archais > > Originally created over 15 years ago, the troll caves were > recently > taken offline and given a major makeover. 쟙e'll be officially > opening > the updated area, which should now be suitable for levels 24-30. > > - The release of a new high level stone giant area west of > Finspang > > This area, created by the original builder of the Undead City of > Jo'Kerin, shows a different side of stone giants. 쟅f you're > only > familiar with the giants that reside in the Ash Mountains, > you'll be > surprised. > > - An object creation contest, open to everyone (this is > currently > running and submissions will close on Dec 23rd) > > - Daily gifts will be given out to everyone who logs in! > > - Several different minor contests and activities similar to the > famous Halloween Pumpkin Cannon > > We'll also be running sales on various credit purchases in game > if > you're into that sort of thing. > > I'll mail out a more detailed schedule closer to the 21st. 쟙e > hope to > see you there! > > Dennis Towne > > Alter Aeon MUD > http://www.alteraeon.com > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management > of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management > of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of > the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.ma
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
I get 15-20 seconds from power button to jaws being loaded on my laptop for win7. If win8 is that fast, it might be worth looking into the beta, even with the ribbons. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf its much the same. and you can turn off the metro interface. that brings back the 7 start menu. and yes, keyboard stuff is exactly the same. its not that different. the touch interface is beeing pushed because a lot of people these days don't use pc's or laptops. they use tablets. so windows 8 is pushing that hard. but its not the end all and be all of the new windows to come. still feels mostly the same, except faster. win 7 boots from 0 power to desktop in about 70 seconds on most systems, bit faster on others. win 8 boots to desktop from 0 power in about 15 seconds on my netbook, and about 8 seconds on my notebook dallas On 14/12/2011 10:41, Hayden Presley wrote: HI, What exactly is new? All I really saw was the new touchscreen interface...is the keyboard still accessible? And if so, what would someone using it be able to nitice different? Besides, of course,the ribbons. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, anoth
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
I don't know about this, windows seven was preety darn stable when I got it in 2009. It took some serious messing around to get the thing to get even remotely unstable, we're talking kill off explorer here. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
Very well said. Something else I'd like to point out, while people are talking about more things to make the game tougher, what about the new players we're trying to draw in? - Original Message - From: "Johnny Tai" I always figure it's strange people talk about reality in games such as this- you're wondering around, shooting dead people with heavy military weapons you'd never encounter in your RL life- unless you're real lucky, there's no "reality" in it lol. Even the axe, for example, is not realistic- any of you who chopped woods before would know how tough it is to swing an axe- especially when you're not used to it. And that's against logs, unmoving logs, so now we're going up against not just zombies, but in some case, very big and scary things, like a tyrant, and you just get close to it and swing that axe as if it weighs nothing...lol So, while a game need a certain ground in logic and realism, it's pointless to stretch reality too far in a purely unreal game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
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Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
its much the same. and you can turn off the metro interface. that brings back the 7 start menu. and yes, keyboard stuff is exactly the same. its not that different. the touch interface is beeing pushed because a lot of people these days don't use pc's or laptops. they use tablets. so windows 8 is pushing that hard. but its not the end all and be all of the new windows to come. still feels mostly the same, except faster. win 7 boots from 0 power to desktop in about 70 seconds on most systems, bit faster on others. win 8 boots to desktop from 0 power in about 15 seconds on my netbook, and about 8 seconds on my notebook dallas On 14/12/2011 10:41, Hayden Presley wrote: HI, What exactly is new? All I really saw was the new touchscreen interface...is the keyboard still accessible? And if so, what would someone using it be able to nitice different? Besides, of course,the ribbons. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsub
Re: [Audyssey] swamp suggestion: more weapons - or weapon upgrades
that is some grate ideas On 12/12/11, Johnny Tai wrote: > What if, say you use a pistol at lev1, I assume this is a beretta, say at > lev3, you can upgrade to a Ceska Scorpion- or some form of machine pistol, > and at lev7, up grade to a magnum- alot of damage but can't use silencer. > Something like that? > Also thinking we need a knife- maybe a bit lesser damaging than axe but can > hit faster? > Also, it'd be nice to be able to upgrade an mp5 or assault rifle with sound > suppressor, or bayonet for the rifles. > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
The axe bug is another one I intend to fix, but just haven't had the time yet. When it comes to finding duplicate guns, this was specifically designed as an incentive to adventure out with less than an armful of guns. If you had 1 of every gun, you have absolutely no chance to find another gun which would donate in to a good amount of reputation. If however you donate half of your guns then you have a chance of finding new versions of those guns that will be worth a lot. If you have a favorite gun that you want a backup of, you can always buy a second one at the Safe Zone. That should work in case it is broken by a zombie. > Ok, the first thing I speak on is > the axe bug. I don't know how this > works, but if you switch from the axe to something that > needs > reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you > reload that > thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how > you lose > your axe. > > Now for something different. Many who know the characters > Slade and > Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people > that death, as > a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly > hold to > that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, > because I > think that you should regain your starting supply of > equipment each > time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight > rounds in your > pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really > isn't > much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you > get on > death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate > stuff and > go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, > and there's > technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting > with a > little something will prevent the ease of just dying again > that many > experience on death. > > Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was > configured to allow > only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made > sense, as > you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into > ammo. Now, > with the exception of the pistol, which seems so > rediculously common > that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and > everyone gets one > no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their > respective > ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an > assault > rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, > in the safe > zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you > won't get it. > Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but > honestly > you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I > suggest > therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to > pick up > seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that > if your > primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In > fact, hitting > the number key a number of times might switch to that > weapon, so say > you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to > scattershot, > you could hit the three key three times and get to your > scattershot > weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup > might be > nice. > > Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone > should be fully > loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of > the m60 or > minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but > it's really > worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the > guns you find > in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if > nothing else. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI, What exactly is new? All I really saw was the new touchscreen interface...is the keyboard still accessible? And if so, what would someone using it be able to nitice different? Besides, of course,the ribbons. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: > HI,AN > D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when > they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS > made XP? Possibly, it was an update? > > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated > Lone Wolf > > besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free > operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of > code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because > they had time to sort a lot of things out. > dallas > > > On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right >> in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And >> was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing >> I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out >> with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to >> market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable >> product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and >> reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the >> task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of >> time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility >> they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the >> customers. >> >> --- >> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >> - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an >> updated Lone Wolf >> >> >>> Hi Charles and all, >>> >>> If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista >>> came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot >>> of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs >>> in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware >>> requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same >>> hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware >>> every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you >>> guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this >>> because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years >>> or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-arch
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I just want to throw out there that I love the fact that missions are instanced. Awesome foresight! Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:24 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. > I'm going to point this out, not > because I think anyone's dumb, but > because I think people may not have had these experiences: > It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several > MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two > strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best > they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or > they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or > lost what you had or because they know of something right near what > you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. > > I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could > make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their > skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, > choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the > thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. > > Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used > for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people > out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of > medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, > and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would > need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think > that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: > Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right > in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And > was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing > I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out > with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to > market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable > product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and > reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the > task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of > time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility > they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the > customers. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. > - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an > updated Lone Wolf > > >> Hi Charles and all, >> >> If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista >> came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot >> of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs >> in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware >> requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same >> hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware >> every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you >> guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this >> because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years >> or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: >>> Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in >>> particular: I >>> buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I >>> have to >>> buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it >>> can't be >>> loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, >>> and I >>> need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years >>> down the >>> road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the >>> new PC to >>> be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding >>> OS. Two >>> years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, >>> another >>> one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to >>> Microsoft, I >>> have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle >>> the new >>> technology. This! is! crap! >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of >>> the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.c
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] more SC vids!
I do agree there. Like I said... I still think the Announcer tries too hard at times to sound excited. lol - Original Message - From: "dan cook" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] more SC vids! this sounds fantastic, the announcer too sounds a lot better than in SC4. :D On 12/13/11, Tom Randall wrote: Hey thanks for these, had not found them myself yet. I agree this is gonna be great cannot wait for this one to come out. Game on. Tom On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Clement Chou wrote: Dang it, Namco needs to put up a demo. Sounds are awesome, music is above amazing, and the gameplay looks great from what I've read and heard! Two videos, almost 20 minutes of footage! Enjoy... discussion welcome as always. I just love, and I mean love, this audio. I think the sword slashes themselves could be slightly better, but I like the ones they have now. Jst me being picky. Haha Hilde vs. Viola: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKezB9m2wQ Lexia vs. Zwei: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF-5AFmUlU Lexia is the daughter of Xianghua from the previous games, and her name is pronounced "lee shia." At least, if my guess is correct. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info
Sorry, I neglected to say that everything I've mentioned is about SC 5, and nothing relating to 4. - Original Message - From: "Tom Randall" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a bit more soul calibur info Indeed this is good information. I am assuming that this stuff applies only to SC4 and perhaps SC5? Game on. Tom On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Clement Chou wrote: No vids this time, just some facts that some people may not have about the gameplay system. The three biggest things to point out are probably, the just guard, brave edge, and critical edge. Just guard is basically a perry maneuver. When you tap the guard button and let it go, you'll have a few frames during which if an opponent hits you with an attack, you will automatically perry their attack and will be able to punish them while they're recoverying. Brave edge is basically a powered up version of a normal move. If you compare the SF games with this, the SF games have special and ex-specials. In SC, you don't really have special moves... instead you have a series of normal attacks that can be increased in power and have certain properties. A critical edge is the SC equivalent to a super move. The command for the critical edge is the same for everyone, but unlike 2d games you can't just throw them out and hope they connect... you have to combo into them. Because if you perform one and miss, you're in big, big trouble. Aside from these three things, the rest of the gameplay is more or less the same, just without the critical finisher, and the speed is faster. Hope this little snippet was somewhat informative! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
If memory serves me correctly, one of those unlabeled buttons will allow you to email the pdf file to yourself as an attachment. If you have email set up on your iOS device, you can open the attachment and read it in iBooks. Allison On 12/13/2011 1:26 PM, michael barnes wrote: Hey, Sara. The only help that I can give is to please contact the developer and tell him about the accessibility issue you are having so he can fix that. Here is his email i...@silversword-rpg.com His name is Mario. If you see anything else that needs some accessibility fixes let him know. Thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI Charles, Would you explain the bugs in Windows 7? True Vista was awful, but 7 has made up for a lot of that in speed and reliability. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf > Hi Charles and all, > > If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista > came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot > of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs > in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware > requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same > hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware > every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you > guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this > because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years > or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. > > Cheers! > > > On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: >> Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I >> buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have >> to >> buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't >> be >> loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I >> need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down >> the >> road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC >> to >> be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. >> Two >> years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, >> another >> one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, >> I >> have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the >> new >> technology. This! is! crap! >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
Hi Charles, Yes, but your point isn't valid. The fact of the matter is that security issues, demands for newer technology, new features, etc drives the need for newer and presumably better operating systems. You can't always expect the existing hardware to meet the demands of tomorrows operating systems. For example, let's go back to the Dos days. An IBM 286 with an 8 MHZ Processor and 1 MB of ran was perfectly fine for MS Dos. However, if you wanted to add a graphical user interface like Windows 3.1 you really needed an IBM 386 with a 50 MHZ processor and 4 MB of ram to run Windows 3.1 decently. Just as a machine built for Dos in the early 90's wasn't sutable for Windows 3.1 a machine built in 2001 isn't suitable for Windows 7 which was released 10 years later. Sitting hear bitching, moaning, and pitching a fit over it won't change the fact that the more advanced the software the more advanced the hardware has to be. What's so difficult to understand about that? I don't know if this is because I work in the ITT field, have a degree in computer science, but what seems crystal clear to me doesn't seem to make sense to you. What you are suggesting is an impossibility from a technology perspective and comparing your computer to your car, television set, etc is nothing more than comparing apples and oranges because both operate on different technical principles that dictate how fast or slow the technology is upgraded or needs to be replaced. For example, you could purchase a 57 Chevy and provided you kept the car in working order it would work more or less just as well today as it did when it was driven off the lot. However, just because you can keep it running that doesn't mean it isn't obsolete. There are a number of technical changes between 1957 and 2011 that might make owning a new car a more practical solution. First, there is the issue of higher fuel costs. A 1957 Chevy was designed in an era when gas was very cheap and therefore waists gas needlessly. A car built in 2011 can easily get 40 to 50 miles a gallon, and many now split between electric and gas power allowing you to really save money on how much you spend on fuel. Second, is all the luxury features that have become a common feature in new cars like power seats, power windows, cd players, mp3 players, and several other features we now think of as common place. While not strictly necessary they are nice to have, and you won't get by sticking to your old 57 Chevy. Finally, the cost of maintaining your old car. The older the car the more difficult it will become to keep it running. Autopart manufacturers can not and will not continue producing old parts forever because the demand for them have dropped. As a result even if they keep a line going for classic cars they do so in limited supply, and this drives the cost of the parts way up. Resulting in you having to pay the manufacturer the cost of keeping that special line running when a new car would cost you less in the long term. All the same cars are designed to last the owner 10 to 20 years if they keep it in good condition. Computers have never and were never designed to be long term items. The average life span of a PC today is five years max, and that's generally the maximum length of technical support you can get from a computer manufacturer like Del, HP, Toshiba, etc. After that you are on your own. If your PC breaks down and you want to fix it your safest bet is to check Ebay or some reseller for older parts to fix it. As with the car analogy after the initial run of computer parts runs out it becomes more difficult and more expensive to keep that older computer running. Its actually cheaper to throw your old computer in the trash and buy a brand new one from Wal-Mart than it is to higher a computer tech to repair your old one. This isn't Microsoft's fault, but the fault of the entire computer industry as a whole. I fully realize why you don't like this, but it is how things are. The truth is we now live in a throw away society where its less expensive to buy new microwaves, computers, television sets, DVD players, etc than it is to have them fixed. If you can buy a brand new blue ray player for $120 and it costs you $99 just to have a repairman look at your broken DVD player it makes sense just to pay the extra $20 and get a new DVD player with blue ray technology. I agree the situation is both sad and disgusting, but bitching, moaning, and pitching a fit about it won't change the fact that this is how things are now days. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: > My point is that the main purpose of a computer is not to run the operating > system, and we should not keep having to upgrade to keep up with modern > technology in the form of a new operating system. Do you have to keep > buying new cars because the engine requires it? There was a lot of flak > when we had to buy new television sets in the United States because analog > signals were being phased out and repl
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI,A con Verter? Are you kidding? That would be impossible. For one thing, tins are done totally differently in different languages. Take, for example, something like VB6 vs. a c-style language. Generally speaking, a C-style language has a main function that executes, and then the program terminates, so you end up making a oop to keep things from shutting down and just run your checks over and over again. VB6 is an event driven planguage, so the program is always idol and waiting for some kind of event, which is done through subproceedures. So Shaun, you have obviously not done a lot of looking as far as programming languages are concerned. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:54 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf All I can say to that is, do you write any code? Even being a beginning programmer, I can tell you that succh a program is almost if not entirely impossible to right, just due to the massive amount of subtle differences between programming languages. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said, I don't really care about how powerful or anything else a system is, I care about what I can do with it. That's why i stil have a snes, sinse I can play all the game i rather like on it, despite it being no where near up to the standard of todays games' consoles. As I said, I just would like microsoft to acknolidge this, perhaps with a compatibility pack option that could be downloaded for those who needed it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to ga
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I always figure it's strange people talk about reality in games such as this- you're wondering around, shooting dead people with heavy military weapons you'd never encounter in your RL life- unless you're real lucky, there's no "reality" in it lol. Even the axe, for example, is not realistic- any of you who chopped woods before would know how tough it is to swing an axe- especially when you're not used to it. And that's against logs, unmoving logs, so now we're going up against not just zombies, but in some case, very big and scary things, like a tyrant, and you just get close to it and swing that axe as if it weighs nothing...lol So, while a game need a certain ground in logic and realism, it's pointless to stretch reality too far in a purely unreal game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
true. but its werth tossing out there to see what people think. dallas On 14/12/2011 08:40, Kai wrote: I think this is one of those realism vs. playability concerns. Jeremy initially implemented health-based movement modifiers, and while that's great for realism, it wasn't very good for practicality and playability's sake; it basically meant you were doomed to die once you were injurred. I think introducing these weight limitations would make the game too cumbersome in some regards. True it's not realistic, but it definitely makes the game a lot more enjoyable and playable. Kai - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail t
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
and even when they do change hardware requirement, its usually for the better, not worse. as has been said, 7 uses little more then xp, and 8 uses less then 7! dallas On 14/12/2011 08:28, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
ahah yeah. something like that. and the m60 is basicly a gpmg, if you know what that is. so again, even a strong man struggles to carry that, and 200 rouns for it. dallas On 14/12/2011 07:52, Johnny Tai wrote: I believe a real minigun alone- the portable one, weighs about 90 LBs all on its lonesome heh- alot of weight even for a strong man. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] more SC vids!
this sounds fantastic, the announcer too sounds a lot better than in SC4. :D On 12/13/11, Tom Randall wrote: > Hey thanks for these, had not found them myself yet. I agree this is gonna > be great cannot wait for this one to come out. > > Game on. > > Tom > > On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Clement Chou wrote: > >> Dang it, Namco needs to put up a demo. Sounds are awesome, music is above >> amazing, and the gameplay looks great from what I've read and heard! Two >> videos, almost 20 minutes of footage! Enjoy... discussion welcome as >> always. I just love, and I mean love, this audio. I think the sword >> slashes themselves could be slightly better, but I like the ones they have >> now. Jst me being picky. Haha >> Hilde vs. Viola: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKezB9m2wQ >> Lexia vs. Zwei: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUF-5AFmUlU >> Lexia is the daughter of Xianghua from the previous games, and her name is >> pronounced "lee shia." At least, if my guess is correct. >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
yes, and you will tend to find, most games out there try to keep things as real as possible. thats why i bring it up. dallas On 14/12/2011 07:24, Darren Duff wrote: But we aren't talking about real life, or a simulation! We are talking about a game. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports but then, as it is, your able to carry all of the kinds of weapons. so in actual fact, in real life, you wouldn't be able to move, cause you couldn't possibly carry around an m60, a volcan, sniper, hunting, and all the others. not possible. so as it is, i think you have enough weapons. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:10, Dakotah Rickard wrote: Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose your axe. Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many experience on death. Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be nice. Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to l
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
i think i'll do the same, as i think the game looks brilliant, however i have no idea what i'm supposed to do. On 12/13/11, michael barnes wrote: > Hey, Sara. > The only help that I can give is to please contact the developer and > tell him about the accessibility issue you are having so he can fix that. > Here is his email i...@silversword-rpg.com > His name is Mario. > If you see anything else that needs some accessibility fixes let him know. > Thanks! > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
I think this is one of those realism vs. playability concerns. Jeremy initially implemented health-based movement modifiers, and while that's great for realism, it wasn't very good for practicality and playability's sake; it basically meant you were doomed to die once you were injurred. I think introducing these weight limitations would make the game too cumbersome in some regards. True it's not realistic, but it definitely makes the game a lot more enjoyable and playable. Kai - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions. nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http:/
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Isn't that kind of like playing the Eagles Best of my Love at a wedding? One wife to rule them all. . . -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:50 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: > Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I > buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to > buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be > loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I > need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the > road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to > be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two > years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another > one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I > have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new > technology. This! is! crap! > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Lol now you didn't say I do in his voice now did you? lol! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 13 December 2011 21:50 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info Well Darren, it's been a while sinse I read them myself, which is why I'm currently rereading them at the moment. I've finished the hobbit and am just at the start of return of the king, and will read the Silmarillion afterwards, so my mind is rather on middle earth anyway :D. I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
Well how is this for quality. Most of the paid virus stuff is hardly accessible and feed back to help make it is non existent, and at least MSE don't state a system file is a virus like those others do. Some times when something is free. That don't mean is junk. I have seen more junk cost a lot and still be junk. At 12:11 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: "john" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: "enes" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: "Alex Kenny" wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. "If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. "Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. "If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win a prize. Life's battle doesn't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later, the man who wins Is the fellow who thinks he can." --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
[Audyssey] Interface or difficulty
I've just finished Mega man x 2 for the Snes (though I played it on the mega man x collection for my gamecube). this was the first ever mega man game I played and the one that got me into the series. my skills were a litle rusty, and even with most of the hidden items in the game i stil! had trouble with several bosses, indeed I spent half an hour just! on the final battles against Sigma's various forms. One interesting thought occurred to me though. in the Mega man x series, a gameplay addition were sub tanks. These are refillable stores of energy you keep in your inventory. Rather than being medkits, they are literally like an extra fuel tank. When you collect energy refill items from monsters and your already at full energy, that energy goes into your subtank until it is ful, indeed there are a maximum of four to collect, and once ful will refill your energy back up when you use them from your inventory screen. The kicker however is these subtanks (unlike the similar energy tanks in the Metroid series)are not used automatically. If your energy gets to zero you will die no matter how many ful subtanks you have left. Thus, throughout those boss fights you need to keep track of your energy carefully, and judge when is best to use them. This is a contributing factor to the difficulty of the game. Certainly if Capcom had wanted the subtanks to automatically kick in when your initial energy ran out, as is the case in metroid, they'd have made the game that way, however as anyone who has played any of the mega man games will know, keeping track of your resources and weaponry is as much part of the game as the platforming. What occurred to me however, was that if this was done in an audio game, the first comment we would get is "why aren't they used automatically?" and yet, people stil wish for complex and difficult games, with different weapons and amo to keep track of and the like. My point is, when thinking about mechanics in games, the easy or most convenient way may not always be the one that is most fun. this might be true of saving, auto item management and various other mechanics. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
I believe a real minigun alone- the portable one, weighs about 90 LBs all on its lonesome heh- alot of weight even for a strong man. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] time of conflict info
Well Darren, it's been a while sinse I read them myself, which is why I'm currently rereading them at the moment. I've finished the hobbit and am just at the start of return of the king, and will read the Silmarillion afterwards, so my mind is rather on middle earth anyway :D. I freely admit though I'm a bit of a tolkien obsessive, I even have a copy of The Ring completely with engraving in the black speech of Mordor that I wear, and no, this isn't one of the merchandizing ones made for the films, it's actually a wedding ring we got specially engraved several years before the first Peter Jaxon film. it was our birthday! pressent! my precious! :D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - O --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Silversword question
Hey, Sara. The only help that I can give is to please contact the developer and tell him about the accessibility issue you are having so he can fix that. Here is his email i...@silversword-rpg.com His name is Mario. If you see anything else that needs some accessibility fixes let him know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports
But we aren't talking about real life, or a simulation! We are talking about a game. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: a couple of suggestions and reports but then, as it is, your able to carry all of the kinds of weapons. so in actual fact, in real life, you wouldn't be able to move, cause you couldn't possibly carry around an m60, a volcan, sniper, hunting, and all the others. not possible. so as it is, i think you have enough weapons. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:10, Dakotah Rickard wrote: > Ok, the first thing I speak on is the axe bug. I don't know how this > works, but if you switch from the axe to something that needs > reloading very quickly, say in the heat of battle, and you reload that > thing, the axe becomes one ammo for that thing. That's how you lose > your axe. > > Now for something different. Many who know the characters Slade and > Liberty will know how hard I try to impress upon people that death, as > a part of the game, should involve risk and loss. I firmly hold to > that, and I only point out how much it means to me now, because I > think that you should regain your starting supply of equipment each > time you die. When you start, you get a pistol, eight rounds in your > pistol, and a field kit with one medkit loaded. This really isn't > much, but it's better than the pistol with eight rounds you get on > death. Yeah, people could cheat a little harder and donate stuff and > go die again, but if people are going to cheat, they will, and there's > technically nothing to do about it in this case. Starting with a > little something will prevent the ease of just dying again that many > experience on death. > > Now for the next topic. it once was that Swamp was configured to allow > only one weapon of a type to be carried. Before, that made sense, as > you only ever needed one weapon, and others would turn into ammo. Now, > with the exception of the pistol, which seems so rediculously common > that it's worth ten reputation points to donate and everyone gets one > no matter what, all the weapons are worth more than their respective > ammo. Imagine you get a hunting rifle, or even better an assault > rifle. Those are worth a pretty penny, as such things go, in the safe > zone. Now, if you should stumble across another one, you won't get it. > Instead, you get 40 rounds of 5.56 ammo. Useful, true, but honestly > you'd get that anyway, as you find guns fully loaded. I suggest > therefore that not only is it good for rep to be able to pick up > seconds or thirds and beyond in a type of weapon, but that if your > primary breaks, you have a secondary to fall back on. In fact, hitting > the number key a number of times might switch to that weapon, so say > you have three shotguns, all loaded but the third set to scattershot, > you could hit the three key three times and get to your scattershot > weapon. Yeah, donating is great, too, but having a backup might be > nice. > > Fally, I suggest that guns you buy from the safe zone should be fully > loaded, like the ones you find in the field. In the case of the m60 or > minigun, this is a pretty hefty chunk of ammo and rep, but it's really > worth it. Either guns in the SZ should be loaded or the guns you find > in the field shouldn't be, just for parallel's sake if nothing else. > > Signed: > Dakotah Rickard > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6709 (20111213)
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
Hi Trouble, Yeah the only really good thing about dos text games was that the text got spoken automatically by every single dos screen reader. Of course now people like Jeremy are coding directly to the API of all of the windows screen readers. I never figured out how to do that, so only code to the sapi5 speech engine. But it sure made all the difference in the world when windows gave me DirectX so that my games could asynchronously play wave files, multiple wave files, pan the wave files and adjust the volume and frequency of the wave files. So yes, probably most of the change is good, some is not so much though. At least in my opinion. But I do still like to do allot of things the old fashion way. Like I have made a short cut icon on the desk top for the programs that I run all the time. One of those short cuts is just to the command prompt. I spend allot of time at the command prompt. And I have written many batch files for doing things like changing to folders that I go into all the time. And batch files for listing folders in the old dos 8, 3, size and date format. And the same format but by size or date. And then my command prompt beeps to let me know when it is done so that I can start looking at the listing bottom up with the review cursor. You know just like I used to on a dos computer. Batch files are great for making backups as well. I just find allot of things are still easier or quicker to do at the command prompt than they are in the windows interface. BFN Jim The command prompt is our friend. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Zero Sight release date annouced!
nice one! looking forward to beeing in the air! dallas On 14/12/2011 03:16, Mario wrote: Go here and listen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeTyMH-a5yg --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf
uh, where did you get the idea its worse? in fact, it actually beets a lot of them when it comes to that. which is kinda surprising. but there you go. dallas On 14/12/2011 03:11, enes wrote: hi, i'm not talking about accessibility i'm talking about quality so i'll be switching from a higher quality product to a lower quality product just because of accessibility -- From: "john" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for anupdatedLone Wolf If your saying that MSE is inaccessable, that's not at all true. Not only is it totally accessable, but it's much much faster and far less entrucive than anything else I've scene, said being MSE, AVG, and Mcafee. - Original Message - From: "enes" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: "Alex Kenny" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. "If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. "Full many a race is lost Ere even a race i
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp: spawning and loot questions.
nice! and this sounds very good. might i also point out, it may, at some point, be a good idea to bring in the idea of wait capasity? as at the moment, i could bring in every weapon i can? and if i did that, i would need to be attached to a trailer, and dragged behind a tank? ahahah so, for example, you would have to decide, ok, i want my axe, my pistol, and an mp5, pluss the ammo to go with it. and this would make it very hard to, as your ammo supply would be limited to. not this hole thing of carrying 2000 rounds. that, would way loads! so you would have to pick and choose what to take out in the field. perhaps, this is where having a locker or something back at the safehouse for your char would come in. or perhaps make selling and buy cost the same, or close to. so for example, selling a hunting rifle might get you 200 rep, and to buy it back, you might have to pay something like 220 or something. just trying to come up with ways to make it more realistic. and this would make you decide on what you want to carry out with you. and if you make a mistake and can't take down the enamy as well as you could have? ... well, you know better for next time. dallas On 14/12/2011 02:24, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: I agree. I'm currently in the middle of adding a new set of player tracking features, and fixing the bug that is messing up player foot steps. These few changes will really make a huge difference when it comes to working as a group I think. I'm also planning to add the ability to give people items, though the reason is actually centered more around instance missions. When entering an instance mission with a team of people, you will need to have brought along any supplies you'll need. In the regular map you can buy more gear or find loot, but in many of the instances this is not an option. The one that's currently being coded is a fine example. You and your team are sent to a warehouse to collect a certain number of supply crates which are desperately needed by the people at the Safe zone. While at the warehouse you are totally separate from the normal map so there is no safe zone, plus you don't have weapon or ammo loot anywhere. Everything your team will use must be brought with you when you enter the mission. In the course of defending the warehouse from invading zombies, which shatter windows and break down doors to enter from more locations, it is very possible that some of your team will get low on ammo or lose a gun they desperately needed. The ability to share equipment will mean the difference between victory and your entire team dying because the plan fell apart. I'm going to point this out, not because I think anyone's dumb, but because I think people may not have had these experiences: It's not as off-topic as it seems. I play and have played several MUD's. Typically, if you're a beginner and you get help, there are two strategies people take to help you. Either they give you the very best they can get their hands on, which spoils the experience of gaming, or they help you get what's at your level, either because you broke or lost what you had or because they know of something right near what you have, in skill level, but that will help you out a bit. I'm tying this back in now. If you can give in swamp, sure you could make ten newbies really strong, but why? They do need to master their skills, but if they die, and you out of the kindness of your heart, choose to reequip them, it won't hurt anyone. It won't ruin the thought of death being risky, as a gift is a gift, not a guarantee. Frankly though, the idea of giving in Swamp, though it could be used for this purpose, is much more of a good idea when you consider people out in the field running out of ammo on bridge duty, running out of medkits in a dangerous place. Yeah, you can heal others with medkits, and the problem of tracking players, which plagues a healer, would need to be fixed anyway if you're to give people stuff, but I think that giving people stuff is a way to make Swamp even greater. Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or con
