Re: [Gendergap] FYI - GGTF case appeal

I believe because the ArbCom case regards the 'Gender Gap Task Force' On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM, JJ Marr wrote: > How does this relate to the gender gap on Wikimedia again? > > On 15 Jul 2017 6:00 PM, "Neotarf" wrote: > > Just to follow up, the WMF

Re: [Gendergap] Craigslist founder donates $500K to curb Wikipedia trolls - Email filters?

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:44 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Christophe, Carol and Fae's notes have set me thinking as to what we could > do with these funds, > > One of the areas that I understand has been a problem is email harassment, > particularly of women and I

Re: [Gendergap] Marfan syndrome image

The image was removed by Doc James with the edit summary "Prior person had a lot more than marfans" ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit:

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not quite sure how to answer JJ Marr and Nathan, but if you watched > the Berkman panel I posted about earlier [1], the conclusion of the WMF > harassment survey is that the effect of harassment on wom

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

It boils down to "people with aberrant behavior or bearing produce anxiety in women." This is drawn from a Facebook survey. It's interesting, even if the "study" doesn't really produce any more knowledge than most other Facebook surveys. The link to the problem of addressing Wikipedia's gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Risker wrote: > >> If exactly the same article had been written by someone who has a long > and colourful history of behaviour considered to be very uncivil, nobody > would be thinking it was an okay article. It's only okay because Keilana >

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Risker wrote: > Give me a break, Neotarf. I am critiquing the article and the decisions by > its author and its publisher. It doesn't surprise me that having someone > of Keilana's stature drop more f-bombs in a couple of paragraphs than I

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: > Could you post a link to one or two of the discussions, and how they went > down? I really need to read something like that right now. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> w

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Neotarf wrote: > @Risker: "I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread > have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that > additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death >

Re: [Gendergap] The (non-existent) Farkhunda Wikipedia article--victim or rallying point

It could just as easily be argued the other way, I think. It's presumptuous and perhaps insulting to purport to create a biography on a person, under her own name, while merely recounting a single tragic occurrence in her life. Since there is often not enough verifiable information to create a

Re: [Gendergap] The (non-existent) Farkhunda Wikipedia article--victim or rallying point

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is there an article on vaginal fistula? I would look it up myself, but I'm at work :) There is indeed. And also rectovaginal fistula - its definitely a cluster of articles that can use some TLC, but the coverage is

Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

You could just start over. Open a collab space in someone's userspace, redirect WP:GGTF to that spot, and invite a few people to come collaborate. Having it in userspace is probably the best (if still minimal) protection against trolls and ne'er-do-wells.

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Carollet's just deconstruct what you're saying here. If we were to take the words female and male and women and men out of it entirely, would it sum up one of the major issues in editor retention? I'm going to be

Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page

I've just read through the last few weeks of discussion on that talkpage, and I can't blame anyone for abandoning it. Holy cow! What a mess. The last thing I would ever recommend someone do is bring an article or discussion there for feedback, support, assistance, etc. let alone any idea about the

Re: [Gendergap] Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training for functionaries)

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else, So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do something useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I wondered if you had

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia hmmm, interesting but dated...

Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote: With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the you could's here. Further hypotheticals will get you modded. Thanks, -Leigh What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation and under what principle?

Re: [Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM, GorillaWarfare gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jim Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: i do not appreciate being outed by an arbitrator linking a private email message to a public talk page. What? – Molly

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud... On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That is joe jobbing. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: How do you know? For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have been promoting,

Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of fun. However, we all know fraud has a wider meaning as two dictionary definitions show. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud 1 a :

Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap achievement award (Second try)

I was thinking of something maybe a little more formal and prestigious, like a monetary award with a plaque, and a small committee reviewing nominations to select a recipient. Never underestimate the power a formal award has to both confer a sense of legitimacy and raise awareness of an issue. I'd

Re: [Gendergap] Relevant election questions for Arbcom

I'm not sure I love the idea of asking people to identify with a gender or sexuality when they haven't done so already. If they have already done so, then the question is superfluous. Better to ask them their position on the actual issue, and if they think there is anything arbcom or the project

Re: [Gendergap] Moving Forward

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote: (1) Political organizing should happen off wiki, not on wiki. This is just as true for WikiProject Conservatism as it is for WikiProject Gender Gap Task Force. Wikipedia is not the place. Go for it, just not there.

[Gendergap] Gendergap achievement award

So as I was replying to Tim, it occurred to me that there wasn't much pleasure or recognition to be gained from working in the trenches on the culture of Wikipedia or the gender gap problem as a whole. Individuals are most likely to have bans, blocks and battle scars to show for their effort. So

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

ArbCom is weak, and loathe to make any decision that might trigger a backlash. They are incapable of dealing with serious, long-term problems and seem able only to address minor issues that would otherwise resolve on their own. The English Wikipedia is ungoverned and ungovernable, and the norms of

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

It's really two issues - one, there was some disruption and misconduct around the Gender Gap wikiproject that really got overblown a bit and never needed to be an arbitration case to begin with. Granted that some of the participants weren't really contributing in good faith, and that there was a

Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]

Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse romana.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anthony (AGK) I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect to deletion, or not, of those images ? With the welfare of the

Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues

Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse romana.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Davies From

Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomen's Collaborative Social Media + some other stuff

Hi Sarah, I don't see you as an outsider at all, and I hope most others don't either. I'm happy to see some of your energy and dedication return to these efforts ;) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote: I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point, but that's my thinking on it

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

commend those who still care. I love the Twitter feed, by the way. Sarah On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote Hi Sarah, I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was understanding Carol as saying that there were sexist comments in the ANI she linked (where Andreas' quoted comment

Re: [Gendergap] Novel by Woman-Deletion

Hi Kathleen, The only thing that I can see that is being considered for deletion is the Category:Novels set in Namaqualand (which currently contains only the article for [[October (novel)]]. The article about the novel itself does not seem to be in danger of deletion. How can we help? ~Nathan

Re: [Gendergap] Novel by Woman-Deletion

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Kathleen McCook klmcc...@gmail.com wrote: I took off the scheduled for deletion notice or maybe it was lack of notability he put up. I couldn't bear. I am fearful he will put it back. This is the issue--how can a male editor decide a woman's novel is not

Re: [Gendergap] Zoë Wicomb or Clive Cussler?

I'm sure you are right. The rules are not applied evenly across articles at all. It's a myth, or common misconception, that Wikipedia is a system that functions as we are used to institutional systems functioning. The vast ruleset is just a toolbox, with tools that different people pick up and use

Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia

be right to do so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from posting her thoughts. Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Adrienne Wadewitz featured in short piece about Gendergap on the English Wikipedia

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Val, The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly

Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I'm flagging the major issues that need to be considered. 1) we can not promise anonymity for the people acting as adjudicators. Any attempt to have anonymous people hearing a case will attract attention

Re: [Gendergap] A reason to celebrate

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: I find this email, like many others of Shlomi's, to be creepy and inappropriate. -VAL On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:08 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote: Hi Christine, On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 22:16:17

Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: snip The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive email this user emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that both have been,

Re: [Gendergap] Follow-on from the model FP image discussion

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: That said, I think the image has little chance of being featured on Wikipedia anyway due to it being over-processed, but you're welcome to nominate it. Ryan Kaldari He isn't welcome to, actually. He's been

Re: [Gendergap] Sex Ratios in Wikidata Part III

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi all, I ran a few quick updates on Max's numbers today. As of 9/6/14: * WIkidata has ~2080k items marked as people * Of these, ~1893k have a gender property (91%) (Magnus's games are doing an amazing job at

Re: [Gendergap] Hotties are always hot

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_notableis now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this

Re: [Gendergap] Hotties are always hot

Meh, it's a relic of a different era on Wikipedia. Almost all of the people who have edited are, like GlassCobra, admins or former admins. Its also in his userspace, not the Wikipedia: namespace. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Gendergap] Sue Gardner Reddit AMA right now

I think it's funny that most of the questions and answers are coming from long-term Wikimedians, instead of non-Wikimedian redditors. Maybe there's just so much overlap it's inevitable! ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it, or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems like an obvious

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop initiatives, speak at

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to

Re: [Gendergap] Changing the Chelsea Manning article (and how women were shouted down)

Odd thing about the current Google search results for Bradley Manning. It gives the title Bradley Manning with a link to the Chelsea Manning page, which when followed is a redirect to Bradley Manning. SS attached. attachment: bradley manning google search result

Re: [Gendergap] Sexuality-related userboxen: give me your thoughts!

I wouldn't mind not seeing any of those userboxes on the projects, but... userbox wars have wasted countless hours over the years. I was tangentially involved in debates about the pedophilia/ephebophilia boxes, the User supports Hamas (etc.) boxes and a few other debates, and found that only the

Re: [Gendergap] Do inconsistent GA standards discourage people from participating in GA?

to gracefully do that you escalated each time. I don't see why, or why you would think it necessary to bring further attention to your behavior by posting it on this list. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Gendergap] what follows from most editors do not gender-identify

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Adam Wight s...@ludd.net wrote: Maybe I can point to another factoid which demonstrates a generative, systematic bias: only 20% of notable person biographies on WP are about women [1]. What should the ratio be? ~Nathan

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like another 1E candidate. The over-emphasis on the controversy at the end of her career can be addressed by wiping out most of the detail

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

of the anonymous sniping can still be found in the linked references. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

and subordinates). So that might be part of it, but there's no real way to establish that or include it in the article. Given the sources and context, it did seem that the dismissal was getting undue weight, so I reduced the coverage and I think the article is in OK shape. ~Nathan

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

I'm not convinced that sexual images is a gender gap issue. But my non-expert opinion is that there is, or ought to be, a degree of feminist interest in the problems of model releases and age verification. I've always thought it strange that Andreas, and privatemusings before him, focused

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

That can be true, but there are 13 circuits and a decision in one has force only within its own jurisdiction. In any case, it's clear that Wikimedia is not held to these rules, but that's rather beside the point. We should *want* this information, whether we are required to have it or not. Nathan

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

What I'd like to see, and what I don't think has been done before, is a survey of editors as they are editing. By that I mean, when someone saves an edit, a box asks them What was the purpose of your edit? What made you decide to make this edit? If it was to correct an error, how were you alerted

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

than the typical topics on this list. It's also in the nature of e-mail that anyone disinterested in the controversial nexus of Wikimedia and sexuality could ignore these posts and reply to their hearts content on other topics. Nathan ___ Gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Outcomes for WikiWomenCamp

. It might be a good idea to investigate the pitfalls of that attempt to avoid running into similar issues. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: That is, in my opinion, an actionable user behavior problem, even without the gender related issues. Those clearly make it worse, of course. I will go look it up later, but it's probably too stale to do

Re: [Gendergap] Article for deletion Fanny Imlay

proposal as an example of I don't like it, I think the fact that it failed demonstrates the power of a gigantic fanbase to distort normal practice on a wiki. ~Nathan [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Kutcher#Twitter_presence ___ Gendergap mailing

Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote: I think it is relevant to our understanding of how the gender gap developed on WMF wikis. That was hard to pick up from the e-mail. :( I too

Re: [Gendergap] Research into causes of the gender gap?

. If that's true, it may mean that such environmental issues are less crucial than is often thought. Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler, again...

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for bringing this to our (well, mine, anyway) attention.  It was troubling when it first showed up on BLPN in May and it's still troubling that so many (all male, looks like) editors are missing the point of BLP and UNDUE

Re: [Gendergap] Written like a personal reflection or essay vs. Encyclopedic style?

will blend in fine. Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Please remove my comments including this one

Unfortunately the list is public (there is a link to public archives on the subscription page), and posts to it are collected by several services that are unrelated to Wikimedia. Since the posts are stored by private third parties, there is no good method for removing them. You can try inquiring

Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki

The particular incident that prompted this thread has spawned a request for an arbitration case, which apparently is likely to be accepted. I think this would be a really good opportunity for the committee to make a difference with respect to enabling people with a long history of rude

Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?

Not convinced by the AfD. Snow kept after less than 24 hours, based on one substantial vote and a bunch of what he said votes that didn't address whether college dating is so distinct a phenomena that it needs to be treated separately from [[dating]]. A search string of +college +dating is

Re: [Gendergap] anonymous (street meat)

I looked at the discussion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat)) and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them? On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea migdia.chi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5

and get some good perspective on what the problem is and where it comes from. Whatever causes it on-wiki, we obviously haven't escaped it here. Nathan P.S.: I often hear both men and women describe others as boys or girls without meaning anything diminutive or emasculating, etc. Maybe it's

Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group

/female is an incomplete gender spectrum). On the other hand... In order to effect change and be more than an echo chamber, you might need the other 91% of us. ~Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Gendergap] OFFLIST Re: Incentive programs and wikicups: Effectiveness?

nb: despite the subject, this was sent to the list. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Laura, I've been meaning to ask you this -- have you talked to Siska Doviana in Indonesia? She's run a couple university contests, and reported on them. I'm not

Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

the archives of Foundation-l), but there's never been very much support - and none at all on Commons. Even the Board resolution only requires an affirmation from the uploader that the subject gave consent. Nathan ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap