I'm +0 for opening. I'm enthusiastic on pushing POI out of Jakarta to
remove this restriction. While I agree that POI fits Jakarta theme-wise,
this access restriction thing feels too much like a wart.
Same here, as no-one has ack#ed my resignation I'm going to vote +0 for
this.
I think that
Just a reminder : the board report was written by me (completely) and the
feeling is something I
have and doesn't necessarily mean the whole of Jakarta agrees with that. The
board is aware that it
is my personal report.
Don't forget that in the first place this feeling (/ observation of this
[+1] Open up POI svn commit access.
[-1] Don't open POI svn commit access, because...
As long as the ASF (entity)/ Jakarta PMC have an WILL to protect
and can protect the developers from the Legal Issues,
I am willing to put +1 to this vote.
-- I, personally, hope I can live happily and
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
[+1] Open up POI svn commit access.
[-1] Don't open POI svn commit access, because...
As long as the ASF (entity)/ Jakarta PMC have an WILL to protect
and can protect the developers from the Legal Issues,
I am willing to put +1 to this vote.
The biggest problem is
Quoting Roland Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello Avik,
I'd have been happy seeing POI move to a TLP. However, some of the
comments in this thread seem to preclude that possibility either. I
think his leaves the community between a rock and a hard place ... I
dont want us to be subsumed as a
I dont care about this vote (any more). I do care deeply about POI.
I do care about Apache and Jakarta. I resent the opposite presumption
on less than rock-hard grounds, because it is a pretty big accusation.
The fact that the POI and remaining jakarta communties are separate is
a FACT.
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
-1 from me.
Harmony doesn't let anyone commit on their project unless they they
sign a statement saying they haven't looked at Sun's source code[1].
AFAIK this is a similar issue and the POI policy [2] is designed to
protect POI, which as a user of POI is a good
Avik Sengupta wrote:
I dont care about this vote (any more). I do care deeply about POI. I
do care about Apache and Jakarta. I resent the opposite presumption on
less than rock-hard grounds, because it is a pretty big accusation.
As noted in my analyses, I stated that I could be
If you are lost in bad sentences let me know :)
Forgot to proof read :(
Mvgr,
Martin
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Avik Sengupta wrote:
I dont care about this vote (any more). I do care deeply about POI. I
do care about Apache and Jakarta. I resent the opposite presumption on
less than
eg the legal issue, which still
remains partially unanswered.
Andy has already replied that this was done in the early days of POI's entry
into Apache under discussion with POI's then mentor and the board. It was
also done as a consequence of a specific issue that had arisen.
Short of not
I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for
awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some
slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 2002. It is
nearly 2007. Talks of mentoring us or incubating us are a little
patronizing and
Andy-- good thoughts. A very pragmatic look at the situation.
Defuses the debate and provides practical suggestions for moving
forward.
By the way, as a POI user, I wouldn't worry too much about POI being
doomed due to Microsoft's switch in formats. It's going to take years
for developers to
Thank you Andy for the detailed and constructive response. I didn't and
won't participate in the previous thread because there were too many
negatives there.
I like the proposals below, so long as the X months is not too large. I
believe a 3-4 months target is appropriate for a POI TLP.
Sounds good to me - thanks for this.
Niall
On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for
awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some
slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since
Nice, agreed.
-Rahul
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I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for
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Hello Avik,
Avik Sengupta wrote:
This is completely out of line (to say the least).
Yes it was. Henri already pointed out my error, and I apologize for
mixing things up and thereby offending the POI community. The problem
was not in the release files, it was with the procedure used for
+1. take a break :)
-- dims
On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for
awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some
slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 2002. It is
nearly
Hi Andrew,
thanks a lot for that mail.
It is
fair to criticize our build...it is pretty rusty and yucky. I do
however thing focusing too much on it is a bit well...mean.
See my reply to Avik's mail. I didn't mean to focus.
(That pun was unintentional, but I'll leave it in.)
I really don't
Reminder: Please svn up /www/jao/ after committing site updates. I
seemed to drag in a few more changes than expected after my update
minutes ago.
-Rahul
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
It is fair to say that not many POI people participate in Jakarta.
However, to add perspective we never joined the Jakarta as it is -- we
joined Jakarta as it was...and one day this formed around us. It is
fair to criticize our build...it is pretty
Is this just your proposal or do other POI committers back this up ? (probably
in the text, but not
as clear as I like it to be).
If poi committers agree with this proposal, I like to hear them :)
Mvgr,
Martin
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Need to add here that for the TLP Proposal you also need a vote from Jakarta..
I'll try to shut up now :)
Mvgr,
Martin
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Sleep Martinsleep. All will be answered, resolved...but not today.
Right now I'm going to help my 2 year old draw dinosaurs with his
Hanukkah present (he is obsessed with dinosaurs).
-andy
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Sleep Martinsleep. All will be answered, resolved...but not today.
Right now I'm going to help my 2 year old draw dinosaurs with his
Hanukkah present (he is obsessed with dinosaurs).
My 2 year old is obsessed with trains. We let the
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