RE: [Fwd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project fulcrum-cache (in module jakarta-turbine-fulcrum) failed]

[Bill Barker]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Vandahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:27 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: [Fwd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project fulcrum-cache (in 
> module jakarta-turbine-fulcrum) failed]
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> we get those messages by gump that puzzle me. These are not uncommon 
> dependencies I guess. I made sure that the two files exist on 
> ibiblio. 
> How do I know about which dependencies gump knows and which 
> it doesn't know?
> 

Gump knows only about the dependencies that you tell it about (and, in
particular, absolutely nothing about ibiblio ;-).

You need to:
$ svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/gump/metadata
$ cd metadata/project
$ vi jakarta-turbine-fulcrum.xml
$ svn ci

to tell Gump that you need these.

> Bye, Thomas.
> 
>  Original Message 
> [...]
> The build cannot continue because of the following 
> unsatisfied dependencies:
> 
> commons-lang-2.1.jar
> jcs-20030822.182132.jar
> [...]
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RE: Commons-modeler release request

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> -Original Message-
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:26 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Commons-modeler release request
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> 
> >> This is indicative of a larger problem with Commons I 
> think - why are
> >> people not attracted into getting involved with the 
> commons source and
> >> instead have their own versions?
> >
> > Not sure.  With modeler, and dbcp, and maybe other commons projects,
> > they were spun out of the original project (tomcat) in 
> order to create
> > a community around them, make them more generic, allow 
> other projects
> > (within Apache and outside) to use them easily, etc.  But over time,
> > for whatever reasons, these didn't happen with modeler.
> >
> > Now from the Tomcat perspective, we have a dilemma: we can't make
> > backwards-incompatible changes to modeler that are very specific to
> > Tomcat because then we break the "contract" that was made 
> when modeler
> > became its own component.
> 
> Backwards incompatible shouldn't be a worry (imo), that's what major 
> version numbers are for - but if you mean that Tomcat would 
> need specific 
> deep down customisations, that does sound like a problem. A 
> realization 
> that the component design just doesn't work anymore.
> 

Backwards incompatible was never really a big concern.  The discussion on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was more focused on the fact that [modeler] doesn't have a
community, so there wouldn't be enough people for 3 +1s to release it.  So
far, there aren't any special Tomcat-specific customizations in Tomcat's
fork.  There is work to reduce it's footprint, but that would just make it a
2.0 version.

> Does Geronimo use modeler independently, or via Tomcat?
> 

I believe that Geronimo only uses [modeler] via Tomcat.  

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RE: Commons-modeler release request

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I've been pretty much the only maintainer of [modeler] for a very long time.
Since it basically has no community, I'm not particularly in favor of a
release that will have little oversight.  So -0 from me.

However, before a release, MODELER-15 should probably be fixed (e.g. by
deprecating the DOM source and using the [digester] source instead, like in
Tomcat's fork of [modeler]).   

> -Original Message-
> From: Martin van den Bemt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Commons-modeler release request
> 
> +1, assuming normal voting is done on jakarta-commons-dev (in 
> case people are not on general).
> Anyone know of a maintainer for commons-modeller or is it 
> kind-of dormant at this point ?
> 
> Mvgr,
> Martin
> 
> David Jencks wrote:
> > The Geronimo-Tomcat integration has some problems with the last  
> > released version I can find, commons-modeler-1.1.jar, 
> released 10 aug  
> > 2003.
> > 
> > These problems are detailed at 
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ 
> > GERONIMO-1999 and 
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? id=39521
> > 
> > Briefly, an incompatibility with the jsr-77 spec was fixed 
> a long  time 
> > ago, and we've found a synchronization problem and recently 
>  provided a 
> > patch that appears to fix it.
> > 
> > We're getting the Geronimo 1.1 release ready and would 
> really like to  
> > use an officially released jar of commons-modeler rather 
> than having  
> > to  copy the code into geronimo svn and produce a custom jar from   
> > that.  Could anyone take a look at the patch, apply it if 
> it appears  
> > OK, and work on getting a 1.2 release of commons-modeler out?
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > david jencks
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

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From: "Stephen Colebourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?


> From: "Henri Gomez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP.
> >
> > As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at
> > this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella.
> >
> > What motivate the move to TLP now.
>
> Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from their main
> task (coding) to answer management issues raised by Jakarta. This raises
the
> question of whether Tomcat is big enough and mature enough to manage these
> issues itself, without the involvement of Jakarta.
>

Great.  Now this thread has moved from JBoss-bashing to dissing the entire
Tomcat community.

I'm looking forward to your involvement on tomcat-dev so that we can all
know that Tomcat has the proper adult supervision.

> For example, in this case, if Tomcat were a TLP, it seems likely (based on
> emails to the thread from Tomcat committers) that this PR release would
have
> been a non-issue.
>
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Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

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From: "Jim Jagielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change


Henri Yandell wrote:

It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism.
There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation
could point out that "Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David Graham was the lead
developer" (Sorry David :) ).
That may be true, but certainly we do have the right and responsibility
to ensure that our desires, as far as how we run and represent ourselves,
is accurate as well.
It has always been a major foundation of the ASF that projects
are built and developed by communities, not individuals.
Terms such as "lead" or "main" do cause harm to the community
and have always been actively avoided.
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that 
aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).

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Re: Leading Contributor?

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Please don't feed the Trolls.
- Original Message - 
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Leading Contributor?


Tim,
This is a *VERY* slippery slope. All of us are committers at Apache on
a personal basis and our employment is no bearing on our committer
status. Remember, they (or anyone for that matter) else can fork
Tomcat (and call it by any name they want and do whatever they want)
if they crave publicity. IF they want to do joint publicity, they can
of course contact the prc and make as much press releases to their
heart's content. This is not the right way to do it.
-- dims
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Yep, I think the only major request we can have here is that
> it be called Apache Tomcat and not just Tomcat. The 'leading
> Tomcat contributor' is just plain wrong, someone has been
> listening to JBoss press releases. As far as I know, JBoss as
> a company is not a contributor to the ASF, it merely employs
> some people who happen to be. So we don't even have to focus
> on the 'leading' as an issue, JBoss fail the 'contributor' too.
>
Henri, some of this is word mincing.  The facts, as I see them, are that
Jboss does employ individuals to work on Tomcat full-time.  We shouldn't
be discouraging this effort and, as long as we guarantee the product is
called "Apache Tomcat", what harm is derived from noting that JBoss does
contribute to the development of Tomcat?
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Re: [VOTE] Updating PMC bylaws

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> ===
> [X] +1 - let's do it
> [ ] -1 - not good
> ===
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Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

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> 
> [X] +1  I support this proposal
> [ ] -1  I don't support this proposal
> [ ]  0  I abstain from voting for or against this proposal
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Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harish
Krishnaswamy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?


> Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of
Jakarta
> > and how it got to where
> > it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we
have?
> >
> > -Harish
> >
>
> These comments are going to be (like anyone's would be) colored by my own
> personal experiences during the development of Jakarta -- including my
> ignorance of a lot of the details in subprojects that I'm not an active
> participant.  But it should give you a little feel for the history of the
> place.
>
> The gist of the creation of Jakarta was around three facts:
>
> * Apache wasn't an incorporated entity (this is about
>   four years ago now), but wanted to be -- and was
>   formally becoming the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> * Apache had a project to build a servlet container
>   (Apache JServ) at a website called "java.apache.org"
>   which created a trademark-use issue around "java".
>   (I was a committer on Apache JServ, which is how I
>   originally got involved in open source software.)
>
> * Sun wanted to contribute, and Apache wanted to accept,
>   the source code for the servlet and JSP implementation
>   called the "Java Servlet Development Kit", and later
>   published by Apache as Tomcat 3.0.
>
> Just as an item of slight historical interest, "Jakarta" was the name of
the
> conference room at Sun where a lot of the early discussions took place.
>
> An organizational framework to focus on developing "open source server
side Java
> stuff" was created to host these initiatives, and other related
subprojects got
> proposed and added to the mix.  As the number of Jakarta committers scaled
from
> the original 10 or so to where we are today (hundreds), the original
charter
> has
> become, umm, somewhat stretched.
>
> Ironically, it didn't take long at all for the scope of that original
charter to
> get exceeded, because one of the little nuggets of code that was included
in
> the
> original Tomcat contribution was a pure-Java build tool (to replace
"make")
> called "Ant" ...
>
> As more and more subprojects were added, there were some inevitable cases
of
> overlapping scope, and overlapping implementations of the same ideas.  One
of
> the best things we've done (IMHO) was purposely creating a subproject
> (jakarta-commons) focused on making "small, focused, reusable" packages,
and
> encouraging the larger projects to use them.  Not only has this been
successful
> within Jakarta -- there's been quite a lot of cross-fertilization among
the web
> app frameworks, for example -- it's also created a fairly rich library of
> funcational packages that are widely used elsewhere.  But one could really
> argue whether something like Commons Digester (originally designed as an
> easy-to-use tool to parse XML configuration files) really fit the Jakarta
> charter.
>
> Over time, there have been more than a few, err, "voluminous" discussions
about
> how to scale up Jakarta from an organizational perspective, and whether
the
> fundamental organizing principle was still the correct one.  Does a focus
on
> server side stuff exclude what could be some really interesting open
source
> projects?  Does a focus on Java make sense when just across the website
there
> are things like xml.apache.org that are focused on a technology, not on an
> implementation language?  Does it make sense to have "community" type
projects
> that host individual software package projects at all?
>
> Coupled with these increasing concerns (at the ASF board level) about the
> ability of any oversight group (a responsibility delegated to PMCs in the
ASF
> organizational structure), several original Jakarta subprojects (or even
> sub-sub-projects in some cases) like Ant, Maven, and James decided to
become
> top level projects (TLPs) of their own -- this takes making a formal
proposal
> to the ASF Board that gets accepted, and the formation of a PMC for that
> project.  Those sorts of discussions continue to this day.
>
> Somewhat separately, but overlapping in time, it became clear that there
needed
> to be a way to incorporate new developer communities (and in some cases
> existing codebases that were being contributed) into Apache.  The
developers
> (if they weren't Apache committers already) needed to learn "the Apache
way" to
> do things.  The code (if any) needed to be vetted for appropriate
contributor
> agreements to protect both the ASF and those that rely on our code.  Thus,
the
> incubator project was created as a place for these things to happen.  It
is
> also actively evolving.
>
> 
> To a large extent, the stresses that are felt as the ASF grows are
actually a

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

[Bill Barker]

I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here
quite that long :).

Jakarta started as "Tomcat and friends" after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF
(hence the name 'Jakarta' :).  As the project grew (sign of success),
Jakarta grew to include projects that don't necessarily rely on Tomcat (but
could be used with), nor that Tomcat relies on.  This has been the
traditional "server-side-java" test.

Now, Jakarta has been having projects that want to leave to ASF-TLP status
(e.g. log4j, ant, maven, james).  This is calling into question what the
'Jakarta' name stands for now.  What this thread is about is trying to
answer this question:  what, if any, is the mission of 'Jakarta' going
forward.


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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?


> Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta
and how it got to where
> it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have?
>
> -Harish
>
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Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

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From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS


> On 11/30/03 6:57 PM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> >
> >> What do the turbine people want?
> >
> > If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a
> > good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS within
> > turbine, and encourage turbine to be promoted to a top level project,
> > taking JCS with it.
> >
>
> If there are not Turbine people then Turbine should be archived and noted
as
> deprecated.
>

Please don't feed the trolls :-)

> -andy
>
>
> >> On Nov 30, 2003, at 6:08 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 30 Nov 2003, at 20:41, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> sorry, missed one and probably
> >>>
> >>> [ ] leave JCS within turbine
> >>> [ ] JCS to apache commons
> >>> [ ] JCS to jakarta commons
> >>> [ ] JCS to jakarta top level
> >>> [ ] JCS to incubator
> >>> [ ] something else (please specify)...
> >>>
> >>> ps
> >>>
> >>> before i get flamed (once again), i'd better add that i think that
> >>> it'd be useful to try to get some consensus about where the right
> >>> place for JCS is and that's why i started this thread. whatever action
> >>> to be taken (if any) will have to be decided on the pmc list.
> >>>
> >>> - robert
> >>>
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Re: [NOTICE] to all jakarta committers

[Bill Barker]

28 copies of spam and viruses:  I knew there was a reason I didn't read my
@apache.org email :).

However, I've added a .forward file so I can read more spam!

"Martin Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > will all jakarta committers please ensure that there apache.org email
> > account is set up so that it forwards mail to an account that they
> > read.
>
> Or, if not forwarded, please ensure that you read mail to your Apache
> account. For example, you can ssh to minotaur and read it using pine.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> > this is very easy to configure - just log on to cvs.apache.org
> > using ssh and then edit the .forward file. (one way to do this is to
> > use vi.
> >
> > type
> >
> >  > vi .forward
> >
> > type i then your normal email address next press ESC :x ENTER.)
> >
> > official mail from the ASF is directed to your apache.org email
> > account. you need to be able to read it.
> >
> > - robert
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Re: Any help of TOMCAT will be appreciated

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: Any help of TOMCAT will be appreciated


> Helo
>Greetings
> i am facing below  error in tomcat Can any body try to suggest where i am
> going wrong .

This one is easy:  You went wrong by posting to this list instead of to
tomcat-user ;-).

> version --> jakarta-tomcat-4.1.27
> Os -->Win 2000
> database name -->test
> Table name i s-->testPoolTbl
> database--> mssqlserver2000
> 1. mssqlserver.jar
> 2  msutil..jar
> 3. msbase.jar
> 4 jdbc2_0-stdext.jar
>
> i have put  all files in comm->lib  and web-inf-->lib
> i tried all posible means but failed to remove that error
>
> Tons of thanx in advance for patience and help
> Kind Regards
>  raky
>
>
>
> 1. server.xml
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>debug="0"/>
>className="org.apache.catalina.mbeans.GlobalResourcesLifecycleListener"
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>type="org.apache.catalina.UserDatabase"
>description="User database that can be updated and saved">
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> port="8080" minProcessors="5" maxProcessors="75"
>enableLookups="true" redirectPort="8443"
>acceptCount="100" debug="0" connectionTimeout="2"
>useURIValidationHack="false" disableUploadTimeout="true" />
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> port="8009" minProcessors="5" maxProcessors="75"
>enableLookups="true" redirectPort="8443"
>acceptCount="10" debug="0" connectionTimeout="0"
>useURIValidationHack="false"
>  protocolHandlerClassName="org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler"/>
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>prefix="localhost_examples_log." suffix=".txt"
>   timestamp="true"/>
> home="com.wombat.empl.EmployeeRecordHome"
>remote="com.wombat.empl.EmployeeRecord"/>
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>  value="15"/>
> override="false"/>
>type="javax.sql.DataSource"/>
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> password
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>   org.hsql.jdbcDriver
> url
>   jdbc:HypersonicSQL:database
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>type="javax.mail.Session"/>
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>   localhost
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> type="java.lang.Integer"/>
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>prefix="localhost_examples_log." suffix=".txt"
>   timestamp="true"/>
>   auth="Container"
>type="javax.sql.DataSource"/>
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Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: "Andrus Adamchik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses


> Jakarta website has a very unfortunate and harmful feature - a full mbox
> archive at
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/mail/
>
> This is an invitation to spammers and people who spread viruses. And all
> those types are gladly taking advantage of it. Here is a few facts:
>
> 1. I've been receiving quiet a lot of emails with Outlook viruses
> (couldn't care less of course - I never used Outlook :-)) allegedly from
> people that I saw posting on this mailing list. Ok, I disregarded those.
> There are people who do use Outlook and they may have been infected, and
> happened to have my old messages in the INBOX or something.
>
> 2. Now I noticed that my address is being used in some kind of distributed
> virus attack (I see up to 20 bounces a day from invalid addesses claiming
> that I sent the original message). Bounces IPs check just fine (aol.com,
> sun.com, a few other known domains), so bounces themselves are not spam.
> But information in the quoted bounced messages (that contain a virus among
> other things) has some correlation with Jakarta comminity members.
>
> Makes me wonder
>
> [PROPOSAL]
>
> There maybe other exlanations for these things, but still it would be wise
> to pull the archives out of the site. Of course there are people who would
> want to search them for information (since browseable Jakarta archives are
> well, should I say hard to use :-)), but those archives can be
> transferred to gmane.org or something...
>
> Thoughts? Anyone else got hit by that (I remember someone posting
> something similar long time ago).
>

-1.  Open Source means "Open" (as in speach, not beer).  The Jakarta mail
lists are mirrored by very many sites (that aren't under Jakarta control),
so it wouldn't help anyway.  It is just silly to be the only people that
aren't archiving our mailing-lists.  And I certainly don't want Jakarta to
go on record as endorsing gmain (as much as I love to use them :).

> Andrus Adamchik
>   Check Out Cayenne O/R:
>   http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>
>
>
>
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?


> Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
> and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
> few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
> decisions which will affect the project.
>
> I'm not against all standards...just NDA-based vendor baby kissing.
>

Please don't feed the Trolls.

> -Andy
>
> Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:09:14 -0500
> >>From: Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
> >>
> >>Thanks Pier.  Thats a great perpective.  Lets have some more.
> >>
> >>Anyone have a remarkably positive "Gee the JCP listens to everyone and I
> >>can disclose everything to my fellow committers and its been great for
> >>our community"?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Andy seems to believe that *implementing* a specification (as opposed to
> >creating one) is not a valid itch to be scratched if he doesn't like the
> >mechanism by which the specification is created.  It's perfectly
> >reasonable for Andy to decide that for the projects he gets personally
> >involved in, but it seems awfully arrogant to argue that no one at Apache
> >should involve themselves in such an implementation project on that
basis.
> >
> >As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in
> >the implementation of API specs like servlet and JSP (see the history of
> >Tomcat development, and the recent innovation going on there for an
> >example), just like there is lots of room to be creative in implementing
> >something like HTTP, which has been done, and continues to be done, in
> >a very large number of implementations in a very large number of
> >languages -- despite the fact that the W3C standards process, like many
> >others, includes periods of time when only the "privileged few" are
> >allowed to be involved.
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Andy
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Craig McClanahan
> >
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Re: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: "Rich Persaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???


> New and improved pain may promise an average POI (Pain-on-Investment) that
> is 50% of the familiar pain, but will be assigned a risk profile with
> unknown maximum pain.

Now we finally know what the POI developers were thinking. ;-)


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...


> On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
>
> > but all i can say from the history i know, that you are simply suffering
> > some kind of father syndrome, like those fathers that, when his children
>
> Stop reading Freud :-) !

Before Nacho kicked in, I was going for Jungian myself. :)

>
> We need to add as commiters not only a lawyer, but also a shrink now.
>

+1 for the shrink.  That way I might be able to get through my inbox in
finite time. ;-)

> Costin
>
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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?


> On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
> > be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
> > larger subcommunity.
>
> First of all, I like the idea.  But in general I think this should not
> be something we (we as in general@jakarta) should decide but the
> committers of the current (sub(sub))projects that would make up this
> new subproject had to decide.
>
> If the people working on Torque, commons-dbcp or the Avalon database
> stuff (I'm sure I'm missing something) as well as the people of
> Onjectbridge want to create this new subproject, I'll be all for it -
> but it should be their decision IMHO.
>

+1
Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the
Jakarta PMC has is a straight up/down vote.  The scope of the project is up
to the committers on the project, not the PMC.  If ${PMC-member} doesn't
like the direction, then they can work to get committer status and change
it.  Jakarta isn't managed from the top-down.

If Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then that
automatically takes it outside of the scope of general@jakarta. So it is
still a straight up/down vote.

Just my $0.02.

> Stefan
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Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

[Bill Barker]

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache


> After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
> if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
> any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.
>
If not for other reasons, for this alone, Costin has my (now ruled useless)
+1.


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