RE: [Fwd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project fulcrum-cache (in module jakarta-turbine-fulcrum) failed]

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Barker
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Thomas Vandahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:27 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: [Fwd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project fulcrum-cache (in 
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 Hi folks,
 
 we get those messages by gump that puzzle me. These are not uncommon 
 dependencies I guess. I made sure that the two files exist on 
 ibiblio. 
 How do I know about which dependencies gump knows and which 
 it doesn't know?
 

Gump knows only about the dependencies that you tell it about (and, in
particular, absolutely nothing about ibiblio ;-).

You need to:
$ svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/gump/metadata
$ cd metadata/project
$ vi jakarta-turbine-fulcrum.xml
$ svn ci

to tell Gump that you need these.

 Bye, Thomas.
 
  Original Message 
 [...]
 The build cannot continue because of the following 
 unsatisfied dependencies:
 
 commons-lang-2.1.jar
 jcs-20030822.182132.jar
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Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Barker

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From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?


 From: Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP.
 
  As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at
  this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella.
 
  What motivate the move to TLP now.

 Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from their main
 task (coding) to answer management issues raised by Jakarta. This raises
the
 question of whether Tomcat is big enough and mature enough to manage these
 issues itself, without the involvement of Jakarta.


Great.  Now this thread has moved from JBoss-bashing to dissing the entire
Tomcat community.

I'm looking forward to your involvement on tomcat-dev so that we can all
know that Tomcat has the proper adult supervision.

 For example, in this case, if Tomcat were a TLP, it seems likely (based on
 emails to the thread from Tomcat committers) that this PR release would
have
 been a non-issue.

 Stephen


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Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Bill Barker
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From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change


Henri Yandell wrote:

It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism.
There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation
could point out that Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David Graham was the lead
developer (Sorry David :) ).
That may be true, but certainly we do have the right and responsibility
to ensure that our desires, as far as how we run and represent ourselves,
is accurate as well.
It has always been a major foundation of the ASF that projects
are built and developed by communities, not individuals.
Terms such as lead or main do cause harm to the community
and have always been actively avoided.
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that 
aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).

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Re: Leading Contributor?

2005-03-19 Thread Bill Barker
Please don't feed the Trolls.
- Original Message - 
From: Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Leading Contributor?


Tim,
This is a *VERY* slippery slope. All of us are committers at Apache on
a personal basis and our employment is no bearing on our committer
status. Remember, they (or anyone for that matter) else can fork
Tomcat (and call it by any name they want and do whatever they want)
if they crave publicity. IF they want to do joint publicity, they can
of course contact the prc and make as much press releases to their
heart's content. This is not the right way to do it.
-- dims
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Yep, I think the only major request we can have here is that
 it be called Apache Tomcat and not just Tomcat. The 'leading
 Tomcat contributor' is just plain wrong, someone has been
 listening to JBoss press releases. As far as I know, JBoss as
 a company is not a contributor to the ASF, it merely employs
 some people who happen to be. So we don't even have to focus
 on the 'leading' as an issue, JBoss fail the 'contributor' too.

Henri, some of this is word mincing.  The facts, as I see them, are that
Jboss does employ individuals to work on Tomcat full-time.  We shouldn't
be discouraging this effort and, as long as we guarantee the product is
called Apache Tomcat, what harm is derived from noting that JBoss does
contribute to the development of Tomcat?
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Re: [VOTE] Updating PMC bylaws

2004-08-10 Thread Bill Barker
 ===
 [X] +1 - let's do it
 [ ] -1 - not good
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Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Bill Barker
 
 [X] +1  I support this proposal
 [ ] -1  I don't support this proposal
 [ ]  0  I abstain from voting for or against this proposal
 



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Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Bill Barker
I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here
quite that long :).

Jakarta started as Tomcat and friends after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF
(hence the name 'Jakarta' :).  As the project grew (sign of success),
Jakarta grew to include projects that don't necessarily rely on Tomcat (but
could be used with), nor that Tomcat relies on.  This has been the
traditional server-side-java test.

Now, Jakarta has been having projects that want to leave to ASF-TLP status
(e.g. log4j, ant, maven, james).  This is calling into question what the
'Jakarta' name stands for now.  What this thread is about is trying to
answer this question:  what, if any, is the mission of 'Jakarta' going
forward.


- Original Message - 
From: Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?


 Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta
and how it got to where
 it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have?

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Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Barker

- Original Message - 
From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS


 On 11/30/03 6:57 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
 
  What do the turbine people want?
 
  If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a
  good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS within
  turbine, and encourage turbine to be promoted to a top level project,
  taking JCS with it.
 

 If there are not Turbine people then Turbine should be archived and noted
as
 deprecated.


Please don't feed the trolls :-)

 -andy


  On Nov 30, 2003, at 6:08 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
 
  On 30 Nov 2003, at 20:41, robert burrell donkin wrote:
 
  sorry, missed one and probably
 
  [ ] leave JCS within turbine
  [ ] JCS to apache commons
  [ ] JCS to jakarta commons
  [ ] JCS to jakarta top level
  [ ] JCS to incubator
  [ ] something else (please specify)...
 
  ps
 
  before i get flamed (once again), i'd better add that i think that
  it'd be useful to try to get some consensus about where the right
  place for JCS is and that's why i started this thread. whatever action
  to be taken (if any) will have to be decided on the pmc list.
 
  - robert
 
 
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Re: [NOTICE] to all jakarta committers

2003-11-13 Thread Bill Barker
28 copies of spam and viruses:  I knew there was a reason I didn't read my
@apache.org email :).

However, I've added a .forward file so I can read more spam!

Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, robert burrell donkin wrote:

  will all jakarta committers please ensure that there apache.org email
  account is set up so that it forwards mail to an account that they
  read.

 Or, if not forwarded, please ensure that you read mail to your Apache
 account. For example, you can ssh to minotaur and read it using pine.

 --
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  this is very easy to configure - just log on to cvs.apache.org
  using ssh and then edit the .forward file. (one way to do this is to
  use vi.
 
  type
 
vi .forward
 
  type i then your normal email address next press ESC :x ENTER.)
 
  official mail from the ASF is directed to your apache.org email
  account. you need to be able to read it.
 
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Bill Barker

- Original Message -
From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?


 Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
 and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
 few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
 decisions which will affect the project.

 I'm not against all standards...just NDA-based vendor baby kissing.


Please don't feed the Trolls.

 -Andy

 Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 
 
 
 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:09:14 -0500
 From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
 
 Thanks Pier.  Thats a great perpective.  Lets have some more.
 
 Anyone have a remarkably positive Gee the JCP listens to everyone and I
 can disclose everything to my fellow committers and its been great for
 our community?
 
 
 
 Andy seems to believe that *implementing* a specification (as opposed to
 creating one) is not a valid itch to be scratched if he doesn't like the
 mechanism by which the specification is created.  It's perfectly
 reasonable for Andy to decide that for the projects he gets personally
 involved in, but it seems awfully arrogant to argue that no one at Apache
 should involve themselves in such an implementation project on that
basis.
 
 As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in
 the implementation of API specs like servlet and JSP (see the history of
 Tomcat development, and the recent innovation going on there for an
 example), just like there is lots of room to be creative in implementing
 something like HTTP, which has been done, and continues to be done, in
 a very large number of implementations in a very large number of
 languages -- despite the fact that the W3C standards process, like many
 others, includes periods of time when only the privileged few are
 allowed to be involved.
 
 
 
 -Andy
 
 
 
 Craig McClanahan
 
 
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Re: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-09 Thread Bill Barker


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From: Rich Persaud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-26 Thread Bill Barker


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...


 On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:

  but all i can say from the history i know, that you are simply suffering
  some kind of father syndrome, like those fathers that, when his children

 Stop reading Freud :-) !

Before Nacho kicked in, I was going for Jungian myself. :)


 We need to add as commiters not only a lawyer, but also a shrink now.


+1 for the shrink.  That way I might be able to get through my inbox in
finite time. ;-)

 Costin


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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Bill Barker


- Original Message -
From: Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?


 On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope
  be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one
  larger subcommunity.

 First of all, I like the idea.  But in general I think this should not
 be something we (we as in general@jakarta) should decide but the
 committers of the current (sub(sub))projects that would make up this
 new subproject had to decide.

 If the people working on Torque, commons-dbcp or the Avalon database
 stuff (I'm sure I'm missing something) as well as the people of
 Onjectbridge want to create this new subproject, I'll be all for it -
 but it should be their decision IMHO.


+1
Unless Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then all the
Jakarta PMC has is a straight up/down vote.  The scope of the project is up
to the committers on the project, not the PMC.  If ${PMC-member} doesn't
like the direction, then they can work to get committer status and change
it.  Jakarta isn't managed from the top-down.

If Costin's proposal is to kick it up to the Apache PMC, then that
automatically takes it outside of the scope of general@jakarta. So it is
still a straight up/down vote.

Just my $0.02.

 Stefan

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Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

2002-02-06 Thread Bill Barker


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Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache


 After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
 if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
 any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.

If not for other reasons, for this alone, Costin has my (now ruled useless)
+1.


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