Thanks.
Regards
Henning
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 19:01, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Date: 04 Sep 2003 10:49:50 +0200
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On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:57, BAZLEY, Sebastian wrote:
It is easy to create directories in CVS, but it seems to be very difficult
to remove directories.
No it's not. It's impossible. :-) However, as empty directories will not
show up when checked out (unless explicitly requested), this is not a
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
We have projects with a much smaller scope as normal jakarta projects
and we have and had framework projects such as Cocoon, Avalon or Turbine
outside of the commons.
IMHO the scope of HiveMind is already
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:20, Mark R. Diggory wrote:
That last thread seemed such a waste of bandwidth. Unfortunately it
swallowed a discussion we were trying to start concerning Licensing
issues associated with the consideration of using BSD style licensed
code in Apache Projects.
To
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 09:17, Daniel Rall wrote:
Jakarta Commons or the Incubator have been my preference for some time now. The
Incubator seems like a more appropriate place, as JCS could use some life
I was thinking about the incubator, too. But as projects failing
to leave the incubator
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:35, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
So far it sounds to me like JCS is only used by Turbine and that only the
Turbiners really care about it. Thus I don't see why it doesn't just get
flattened into Turbine and just consider it one more turbine service.
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, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 20:43, Daniel Rall wrote:
Given Robert's description of his experience with the Incubator, I'm
for the
Jakarta Commons to gather some community (direct drop rather than
sandbox
route), with the goal of an eventual promotion to a full
On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 23:00, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
The question is whether some projects are willing to make the step to TLP.
These seem like possible candidates:
Tomcat, Lucene, Struts, Velocity
Turbine.
SCNR
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IMHO too complex. If there is already a JCS list (is there? As you can
see
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 21:07, robert burrell donkin wrote:
hi henning
you don't need to be a committer to act as a mentor. from what i've
heard, i'd say that you'd be an ideal candidate :)
Hi,
thanks. :-)
I'm willing to subscribe to JCS for watching the developers there and
help them
Hi,
some fellow Apache names I've already spotted at the conference
schedule for JAX 2004 (11.-13. May 2004 in Frankfurt). As there
was talk about a german Apache get-together, this might be a good
as any opportunity.
Any ideas?
Regards
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Just curious:
Why is this not developed under the Apache Incubator? Is there a reason
for the codehaus move?
Regards
Henning
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 10:42, Torsten Curdt wrote:
We'd like to invite everyone who is interested
to join our initiative on codehaus.org. We are
I keep the keys that I've used to sign the releases that I have done on
a floppy disk away from any networked system. If you have the sign keys
on an Apache server and if these servers ever get hacked (and it _will_
happen), then you have compromised the whole chain of trust.
I very much prefer
Hi,
the subject is already the question: Is anyone moderating
turbine-jcs-dev and turbine-jcs-user @ jakarta?
Regards
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Hi,
thanks. As Quinton seems to do different things these days: Can you add
me too as a moderator? Thanks.
Regards
Henning
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 09:33, Christian Geisert wrote:
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Hi,
the subject is already the question: Is anyone
Late, but not too late... :-)
+1 Let's do it.
On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 17:58, Henri Yandell wrote:
Suggested new bylaws are at:
http://www.osjava.org/~hen/jakarta/management.html
The aim is to identify the current reality, rather than plan out a new set
of bylaws. I believe I've
I would consider this a bug. Java 1.4.x compiles UTF-8 code just fine
and if a random bundled tool chokes on UTF-8 in comments, then the
tool should be fixed.
Regards
Henning
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 18:38, Craig McClanahan wrote:
Recently, a new twist on @author tags came
I think that Robert is the best person to answer this. He is the main
responsibe developer of ECS. ;-)
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 22:56, Henri Yandell wrote:
+Robert Burrel Donkin has volunteered to migrate ECS over to SVN as a trial
migration.
it went a bit quiet after i made this offer. if
Hi,
if you want to learn about Turbine and Maven, please subscribe to
the users lists of these projects. The general list normally is
used for discussions that are not directly related to a project.
You subscribe to the Turbine list by sending a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and to the Maven users
Hi,
ok. So this means, once we get e.g. /jakarta/turbine, we could
set the repository structure below it just as we see it fit?
We (Turbine) currently have (for history reasons) a lot of CVS
repositories and consolidating them is a real pet peeve for me. ;-)
Regards
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:15, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Sep 27, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Tim O'Brien wrote:
For Oliver's sake, could we submit the question to ASF counsel and see
if there is any way to allow us to use Hibernate in even the most round
about way.
Our counsel would have no
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:11, Brett Porter wrote:
is not ASF License compliant?
If yes, than I would really hate to have to point you at
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/maven-plugins/hibernate/src/main/org/apache/maven/hibernate/beans/SchemaExportBean.java?annotate=1.7
This would
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:35, Henri Yandell wrote:
2/
How about just being able to do multiple Exceptions in one block?
try {
} catch(JMSException, RemoteException, SQLException e) {
}
or possibly even:
try {
} catch( (JMSException | RemoteException |
Another thing: CeBit is much closer than ACon05. Shall we try to get
some sort of Apache people meeting organized @ CeBit? (BTW: did anyone
notice, that we overlap with LinuxTag? Will we just move from Stuttgart
to Karlsruhe and get on with the party? ;-) )
CfP will come, I'm sure about this.
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 22:33 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
* Turbine
We reached some concensus about this on turbine-dev. I'm currently
mainly concerned that our maven based build process will lose lots of
information as some maven-plugins are not yet able to process SVN
information.
When
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 04:39, Tim O'Brien wrote:
This is the simplest SVN migration in Jakarta. The migration
instructions follow for review:
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/Site2_20Conversion_20Instructions
72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote requires
majority
On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 11:48 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
ECS is another that I'm confident is being somewhat monitored. The ECS-dev
archive looks to be dead, so need to fix that. ECS is definitely one that
I wonder if the Commons community could be supporting; guess I need to
look at the
Works for me (turbine, torque). Thanks a lot!
Regards
Henning
On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 20:28 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Scarab has been moved from nagoya to ajax. If you were referencing the
domain as issues.apache.org, which should have been the case for the past
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 00:52 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
Worringly, this is just the flotsam lying around at the top level :)
turbine.old/
Old copy of Turbine site.
You can nuke that. Sorry about it.
Regards
Henning
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Hi,
I've forwarded your request to the Jakarta PMC and our chair. It would
be great to see that there are people who want to pick up this dormant
project.
Regards
Henning
On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 03:24 -0500, Dave Brosius wrote:
Hello,
I'm a developer on the
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 12:43 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
Ditto for Commons. I'm pretty sure most of them are outputting
1.2-compatible code from a 1.4 compiler. I'll also happily believe that
that's not a perfect system :)
I'm very sure that there are incompatibilities with bytecode outputted
[ back from holidays... ]
I like it. However, is there any docs for the projects how to update
these pages. At least for Turbine it points to an old / outdated
version...
Regards
Henning
On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 19:35 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
8 +1's.
It's now live
AFAICS they build with gij, which leaves me less than thrilled. Or to
quote James Gosling testing is very important. The Java test suites
contain 200.000 - 300.00 tests.
As long as gij doesn't come even close to pass the certification tests,
I'm not really interested in building my business on
Just deployed an update to the Turbine site; I'm sitting tight to see
whether it will show up or not.
Regards
Henning
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 00:35 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based
websites when shell access is
FYI, it does show up. Thanks, good job, folks!
Regards
Henning
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 20:07 +0200, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Just deployed an update to the Turbine site; I'm sitting tight to see
whether it will show up or not.
Regards
Henning
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On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 17:53 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
We're getting in a bit of a half-finished state with regards to location
of things etc. Here's my list of things that it seems we need to get
done. Nice and aggressive to cause consternation:
Move Turbine JCS to SLP (might just be a
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 18:58 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
Something to represent things that are not expected to have any form of
activity in the future:
Alexandria
Commons Messenger
Commons Graph (1, 2)
jakarta-turbine-3/
jakarta-turbine-jyve/
jakarta-turbine-orgami/
Hi,
(... to SVN...)
Yep. But I intentionally didn't migrate the dead projects into the
jakarta/turbine name space because this would be bound to lead to
confusion and to users seeing this and starting to ask what these trees
were.
Once we agreed on a name, we should have repos/asf/mumble and
Hi,
I toyed with similar ideas for a long time (I even had once an intern
whip something up), however, there are a number of drawbacks:
- different versions. The osjava variant tries to get this right by
allowing the user to choose the versions.
- inter-project links. Phils' variant builds
I took the liberty and change the remark on top of news-q3 that Q4
starts on Oct 1st, not Sep 1st... :-)
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Henning
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(r278696) - mine came through OK (r278728), and I am seeing other
changes to jakarta/site mailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a problem with some (e.g. your) commit messages?
Are others are seeing your commits ?
S.
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[X] +1
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On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 03:56 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
* Turbine: No reply on mailling list; at ApacheCon those I talked to were
generally -0. I think it really needs to stand alone as a TLP though.
Need to prod.
Don't know about the other committers, but I'm currently over my head in
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 17:53 -0500, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
Noticed two pending(?) changes when I built the site.
* Velocity folks: downloads_velocity-engine.html and
ownloads_velocity-tools.html are generated but not in repository.d
We only reference and use the downloads_velocity.cgi and
Cool. Good luck as a TLP and hopefully you set an example for other
projects.
+1
Best regards
Henning
On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 09:43 -0800, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
Below is the result of the recent Tapestry committers vote to move
Tapestry to an Apache top level project.
(Catching up with my mail. Holidays are a wonderful thing...)
You are surely aware of the fact that this is right on top of the round
of 16 and quarter-final games of The World Cup, aren't you?
(Well, Ireland hasn't qualified and England and the U.S.A. will be home
by then, so it might be just
+1
(It would be good to know how long the vote period is.)
Best regards
Henning
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 02:50 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
Vote to remove the SVN barriers within Jakarta such that all jakarta-*
groups are merged into the one jakarta group with the
On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 00:48 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
What would be the constraints on what could go in there? Anything, as long
as it's written in or for Java?
My fault, I thought we'd had a long thread on this before so didn't do
much explaining.
The same as Commons Sandbox
Felipe Leme schrieb:
[ ] +1 I am favorable to the move and would like to contribute to the new TLP
[ X] +1 I am favorable to the move but would not be participating in the new TLP
[ ] +0 it does not matter to me
[ ] -1 I am against it because
Best regards
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beer is fine, but 8pm is a bad time, because tonight Brazil - Ghana is
on and the bar will probably be packed (it is not switzerland, you
know... ;-) )
I've heard that rumour, too. you know. :-)
Best regards
It's actually France - Spain. Sorry 'bout that.
Henning Schmiedehausen schrieb:
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beer is fine, but 8pm is a bad time, because tonight Brazil - Ghana is
on and the bar will probably be packed (it is not switzerland, you
know
While I understand the reason for this: Wouldn't it be better to get an
nightly.apache.org snapshot so we don't tie the snapshots to the
people.apache.org name?
I thought that infrastructure will want to make the shell accounts on
people go away at some point.
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 07:38 +,
Hm,
how do you consider a project dormant? Is Velocity dormant?
What I want to avoid is, that mature projects which are exactly where
the committers want them to have and the one release a year, just bug
fixes are put in the same bucket as projects that might be dormant or
dead. Once a project
This raises an interesting question:
Before the umbrella permissions for Jakarta were installed, slide had
(and probably still has but without the subversion access file it is
much harder to find out :-( ) 33 (!) committers with write access.
Where did all these people go?
Best regards
Hi,
well, I always thought that the PMC also has a legal role for the code
that it governs? So there might be committers that don't want to be on
the PMC for that reason.
I'm cautious +0 for this.
Best regards
Henning
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:53 -0400, Henri Yandell
I'll join you and muse about the state of Jakarta. Should be fun. :-)
Best regards
Henning
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:27 +0200, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Cool :) Let's do this at dinner, since there are only 2 of us ;)
Mvgr,
Martin
Torsten Curdt wrote:
+1 cool
Hi,
you just touched a raw nerve with me... :-)
As long as maven (at least maven 1, don't know about maven 2 yet)
doesn't differentiate between
* Compile dependencies (mandatory and optional)
* Runtime dependencies (mandatory and optional)
then IMHO the dependencies page not really useful.
Hi,
I'm completely with Nathan here. A Velocity TLP will not be another
Jakarta (though I do fail to see why everyone seems to believe that
Jakata is always considered a bad example).
On the opposite. The Velocity TLP is intended to help reducing the
number of projects that Jakarta has. Which
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 21:02 +0200, I scribbled:
When is the next board meeting scheduled, BTW?
I can actually answer that myself. We missed the Sep 20th board meeting,
so the next will be Wed, Oct 18th, the week after AC US.
Best regards
Henning
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Henri Yandell schrieb:
Back on a kick to clean up the site a bit more.
Removals:
1. Remove the faqs page. It's getting low on content.
+1
2. Vendor support. This is getting increasingly threadbare - so
raising the removal of this again. Content to be moved to the Wiki.
+1
3.
Hm,
does it pose a real legal threat or is it just a felt threat from
Andy?
I'm +0 for opening. I'm enthusiastic on pushing POI out of Jakarta to
remove this restriction. While I agree that POI fits Jakarta theme-wise,
this access restriction thing feels too much like a wart.
Push it to TLP,
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 18:25 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
[...]
what is your interest here? Do you have nothing better to do?
You *might* (at some point) read up what part of Apache the POI project
is in and who is currently legally responsible for it.
This is not your small, private show
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 20:30 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
[...]
I would like to see a formats.apache.org project which was devoted to
We do know that you are not serious here.
[...]
With the launch of Buni (http://buni.org) my time for repeating votes
Domain Name:BUNI.ORG
Created
Hi Sanka,
what you are missing is
svn propset svn:executable on site/docs/site/downloads/downloads_bsf.cgi
This will set this file to executable when you check out the site into
the jakarta tree and allow the CGI script to run.
Best regards
Henning
On Fri,
As we have at least one CI tool inside the ASF: How about setting up
one of these for the nightlies?
Best regards
Henning
Martin van den Bemt schrieb:
Gump doesn't build against the versions of the dependencies specified in the
pom / project.xml, but
builds against
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that is not the point. The procedure in itself is flawed. There might be
files now, but the procedure still has to be aligned to ASF wide guide
lines.
Before you wonder/think about conspiracy theories: Yes, I brought the
board (i.e. Henri) attention to this. It is necessary to change
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:01 +0100, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
[... on vote-then-release ...]
Trust me, I have done my share of releases this way, too. The thing is,
that while it was/is common practice, there are ASF-wide guidelines that
are not there to hinder people / add administrative barriers
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Nick Burch schrieb:
Hi All
After lots of discussion within POI, and Jakarta in general, we think POI
is ready to graduate to its own TLP. Thanks to the magic of ApacheCon,
lots of people have been on-hand to help finalise the proposal for this,
which is attached below.
So, now is
Turbine vote is finished and we are ready to go. Our TLP proposal is on
the Turbine Wiki, it is the same as the template (except that we have a
single superflous is in it. Everyone who finds it, can keep it).
POI vote is still running AFAIK.
So please, add the Turbine TLP proposal to the board
[X] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
diffing the Wiki text against the template in SVN
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/subproject-tlp-resolution.txt)
shows significant differences. I'd like you to update the proposal
accordingly. As this proposal will
Don't know about POI, Turbine is fine, Scott used the right template.
Best regards
Henning
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[X] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
diffing the Wiki text against the template
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On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 10:22 +0100, Danny Angus wrote:
0/ - Dismember the current Jakarta PMC - +1
1/ - Yes, preserve the brand - +1000
2/ - No. The commons PMC will run the commons project. A possible
Jakarta PMC will not have the attention that might be needed. - -1
3/ - -1 on the PRC. They
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 21:56 +0200, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 10:22 +0100, Danny Angus wrote:
0/ - Dismember the current Jakarta PMC - +1
1/ - Yes, preserve the brand - +1000
2/ - No. The commons PMC will run the commons project. A possible
Jakarta PMC
All I have is the minor nit that a default target is missing and an
empty aspectSourceDirectory which prevents using maven 1.1 for building.
+1 for the release! Thanks to all who participated!
Best regards
Henning
Thomas Vandahl schrieb:
Hi folks,
After much
The license under which the code gets licensed to our end users is in
LICENSE.txt.
Copyright notices and optional third-party licenses under which the code
got licensed to us is in NOTICE.
Thomas did the right thing.
Best regards
Henning
sebb schrieb:
On 27/05/07,
the second. I think FOP uses the third.
Best regards
Henning
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 15:24 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 5/27/07, sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 27/05/07, Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The license under which the code gets licensed to our
is a copy of http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt
And is that *really* important?
Best regards
Henning
Martin van den Bemt schrieb:
Full license text should go in LICENSE and attributions and notices in
NOTICE..
Mvgr,
Martin
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Could you create an example on how you would consider the structure and
content as acceptable so that we can understand what you want to have?
Thanks
Henning
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sebb wrote:
Sorry for the delay in
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Once, the sites are up, feel free to
copy /www/jakarta.apache.org/velocity/.htaccess
and /www/velocity.apache.org/moving.html
Best regards
Henning
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 22:24 +0200, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Thanx for clearing it up, I was starting to doubt myself,
of this process.
Thanks,
Scott
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Good one :) Didn't fix Velocity yet (better to put that in the root
.htaccess and get rid of subdirs)
So Turbine can be redirected too ?
Mvgr,
Martin
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Once, the sites are up, feel free
There is a Velocity JIRA Issue with a lot of subtasks that basically has
everything that is needed/can be done for a new TLP. Scott cloned it for
Turbine, so it is TRB-44 and INFRA-1249. These might be good starting
points.
Best regards
Henning
Torsten Curdt schrieb:
, Henri Yandell wrote:
Don't go the subtask route. Keep it all on the one issue as TLP Admin
and Joe'll take care of things.
Hen
On 6/22/07, Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a Velocity JIRA Issue with a lot of subtasks that basically has
everything that is needed/can
That is a result of the full redirection of the commons from Jakarta to
commons.apache.org and probably just a honest oversight.
Best regards
Henning
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:59 +0200, Roland Weber wrote:
Hi all,
the HttpClient 3.x homepage seems to have moved to
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If it needs file:// access to svn, you can not install it on an Apache
Solaris zone. It would need to run on the svn server itself and given
the flamew^Wdiscussion on board and the bar that Justin set for the Java
interest group, I am pretty sure that it is out of the question to get
this in the
Congrats to the new release. There seem to be busy testers:
http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Your-CAPTCHA-Hates-You.aspx
(Scroll all the way down)
Best regards
Henning
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this could be done by rearranging the JMeter project, but it
seems cleaner to have a separate repository - as is done with Maven.
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On 06/10/2007, Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any particular reason, why this can not be a part of the JMeter project?
Splitting a rather small
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