> Good thing I put the "if I understand correctly" disclaimer
> on my message ;)
:-D
> my apologies to the OP.
No worries. I tend to look at this as a security issue. We should not take
a changing host key lightly.
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> I understand correctly, yes the host key has changed: SVN is now
> hosted on eris.apache.org, not minotaur.apache.org. (And you should
> use the svn.apache.org rather than cvs.apache.org if possible).
No.
1) A host key warning should be taken seriously. Are you sure
that you're talking
> I tried to SSH to cvs.apache.org, but my system said there was a new
> host key.
Why are you trying to access cvs.apache.org?
> I know there were some recent issues with minotaur
Shell accounts are on people.apache.org, not cvs.apache.org.
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At the moment, this is the only report I've seen. Howard also mentioned it
to infrastructure.
So these wiki bots know how to create accounts and sign into them for
spamming?
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> > Jakarta is
> > Components
> > Sandbox
> > Things move from sandbox to components.
> That would be fine if there was a well-defined scope for the sandbox.
Should be the same as the scope for Jakarta. Define that, and you may have
your answer.
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> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > projects coming into the ASF go through the Incubator. New things
> > started entirely within the ASF do not, currently.
> Then there is no NEED for a sandbox.
As you know, the sandbox predates the Incubator, and AIUI, the
> 1. There should not be an escape from the pain of the incubator.
>All new projects must go through the incubator and endure.
ACO's gratuitously snarky comments aside, projects coming into the ASF go
through the Incubator. New things started entirely within the ASF do not,
currently.
> * Create development mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
sandbox-dev@ ?
Otherwise, fine.
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> looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
> checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about
> ways to allow committers to post from their apache addresses.
Two separate issues, unless the e-mail was sent with his @apache.org
a
Sandy,
I meant ALL of us. The whole PMC. Not a selected group, which eliminates
the problem of having to come up with a selection criteria.
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> there are no written down rules that I know of for what a PMC
> member should do (that'd be unnecessary bureacracy).
The written rules for the ASF are
http://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html.PMCs would make their lives
a whole lot simpler if they would facilitate human participation and
> My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list
> themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list
> will result in removal from the PMC.
Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members asking them if they want to
remain active?
We have done th
In terms of finding homes, I wonder if we should have a root directory under
which we have inactive codebases. One problem would be that no PMC would be
responsible. Or we could create a sort of reverse incubator: a curatorship,
where no active development takes place, but where oversight exists.
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> +1 :) The Dutch will get to the finals anyway and I don't
> want to miss out on that :)
LOL Well, the Orange are on my list of teams whom I want to see do well,
along with the Brits and (of course) USA.
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Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> You are surely aware of the fact that this is right on top of the round
> of 16 and quarter-final games of "The World Cup", aren't you?
> IMHO you probably should plan to get T.V. sets in the common areas
LOL Way ahead of you. The conference producer made similar
Danny Angus wrote:
> I'm one of the "1) Inactive PMC members
Define inactive. Inactive as a committer? Inactive as a PMC member
providing oversight to Jakarta projects? I'm in the former category, as are
many, but I still actively monitor several project lists, even if I only
post when I have
> At first I tried to use JSP without any framework or taglib. In
> contrast to templates JSP doesn't help much on seperating logic
> and html code
Please see the JSP 2.0 Specification for Tag Files. Tags are your friends,
and Tag Files make them easy to write.
> And I could not get used to the
> The plan is to factor the multipart content handling out
> of HttpClient. There's already a project in Commons
> Sandbox led by Mark R. Diggory [for] that end. Unfortunately
> the project has been dormant for quite some time
See also: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/mime4j
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> I've started a wiki page to plan any Jakarta/Apache-Java BoFs etc at
> ApacheCon this December
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/AC2k5US
Shouldn't this be on http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/ ?
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We should run the name by the PRC, but it should be fine.
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> [+1]Apache Silk
Akin to Danny's comment, whatever the group likes is fine, but the above is
my preference.
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> How about Apache Spider Web?
No, but you just gave me an idea:
Apache Silk
Silk is what webs are made of.
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> Has there been any discussion with the Incubator PMC whether this
> contribution needs to come through them? Or does this somehow not
> fit into their purview?
All external codebases brought into the ASF need to come through the
Incubator. Sometimes, as Henri noted, that only requires the IP c
> Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term
I have a shirt around here someone regarding "Parts for Java", which was a
product from ParcPlace.
Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of
the project than the name.
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> Create a 'Graveyard' for dead projects
Absolutely not. There is no such thing. I might agree to an Apache
"museum", which has marginally more acceptable semantics.
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> > Or Jakarta Web Parts For Java, or JWP4J, which has the benefit of
> > being what I am now (JWP) with 4J appended. I for one like it!
> that sounds good to me too.
> anyone else have an opinion?
I believe that the PRC wants an Apache branding, but check.
Sorry for short reply, but my compute
Steve Cohen wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new
> > rule set last night to address it.
> Might that rule have possibly been overly strict?
Not unless your e-mail has subjects written in German. :-)
More likely,
Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new rule set last
night to address it.
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> I'd like to know whether anyone would know where I can find the
mod_dav_svn
That'd be a question for httpd.apache.org, not Jakarta (Java stuff).
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https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/commons/proper/httpclient/trunk/
And the host name (svn.apache.org) is correct, and the host is working fine.
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> does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based
> websites when shell access is switched off to the machine
> serving the website?
Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be
synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the
live sit
> Please, lets calm the things down.
> Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
> will still spin tomorrow.
Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I
have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon for 3000 miles.
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> > Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from
> > their main task (coding) to answer management issues raised by
> > Jakarta. This raises the question of whether Tomcat is big
> > enough and mature enough to manage these issues itself, without
> > the involvement of Jakarta.
>
Dims,
The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with
the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately
associated with them, too.
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Mladen Turk wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions.
> Cool, means so much to me.
> I also have no complaints on your technical skills :)
My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern t
Mladen Turk wrote:
> Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :)
Talk with the PRC.
> Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I
> really have not found a firm standpoint
Hence the PRC.
> So the question is what is the actual name of the thing that
> we
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Mladen Turk wrote:
> > Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers),
> > propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP?
I'd say that it is about time.
> I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me)
> 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat',
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other
> company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ?
> Can you prove me wrong ?
Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what
was perceived to be misleading PR and
Serge Knystautas wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>>it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions.
>> Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be
in
>> conflict with a CLA, and companies can provid
Costin Manolache wrote:
> I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for
>> every use of "Tomcat" and if we are going to send an email every time a
> company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an
> apache project. And I would feel much better if suc
> > And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been
> > from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
> Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity,
> apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta
> community at large
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
> JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
> individual at the moment
If you look at the CLA, you'll see that all contributions are made by
individuals, irrespective of motivation or
I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it. There are some good things
about a vendors page. Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, but
it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly
misleading content.
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> Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database.
> I have taken mysql off-line and am running repairs.
This will take a bit longer. We ran out of space on the file system holding
the databases, and it is taking a while to purge the cache that caus
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya.
Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database. I have taken
mysql off-line and am running repairs.
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There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya. I'll see what I can do
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sebb wrote:
> Looks like a *lot* of other projects use the Anakia jars and/or
> stylesheets from jakarta-site2 - not just jakarta-tomcat-site.
Including, FWIW, JAMES (ex-Jakarta project). But we can clone what we need
until/if we replace it.
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> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>>> Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as
>>>> such afaik)
>> Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide
>> basis.
> cool. what&
robert burrell donkin wrote:
>>> unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit
>>> of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed.
>> As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed.
> effectively is still lost as far as links are concerned
Well, if peo
> unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit
> of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed.
As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed.
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>>> Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such
>>> afaik)
Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide
basis.
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> http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html
We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to
projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation
of projects, some of which are under the oversight of the Jakarta PMC, and
some of whi
Scarab has been moved from nagoya to ajax. If you were referencing the
domain as issues.apache.org, which should have been the case for the past
year, you should not see any change. If you were referencing the nagoya
hostname, you should see a redirect.
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> Scarab is used by Turbine, DB Torque and a couple of other sub projects.
I'll look at doing the migration, but it would be nice if we had someone who
was willing to maintain scarab.
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I share your concerns. The general question is what to do with such
projects, and I think we should be open to creative ideas. There has been
some suggestion that they be cleaned up by migrating them to some other
domain to be mothballed. The code, web site, and mailing list archives
would be pr
> I think we shoul add it to a list of ones to archive somehow. Jsev,
> alexandria etc.
We could import them and move them to an archives/ subtree, kind of like a
branch, or just delete them.
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> 72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote
> requires majority (at least 3 +1s and more +1s than -1s )
I'm personally +1, but if any Jakarta project presents a reason why creates
a problem for them at the moment, I would consider that binding until we can
resolve the issue.
I don't know how much vetting we do, but despite the fact that this is a
vendor page, I believe that a lot of people would complain about the phrase
"[Covalent is] the only source of full commercial support for Apache &
Tomcat."
Now that the ASF has established the PRC, perhaps it is time we turne
> Could not access http://cvs.apache.org (e.g.
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons/transaction/ ) for quite
> a while, anyone any idea what the problem is?
Yes. I took that httpd instance down because it was conflicting at the time
with SVN database maintanence. I haven't brought it
Shinobu Kawai and others asked:
> Is the SVN server down?
Yes. Currently doing some maintenance on the database. About another hour,
I would estimate from the processing rate, so between 14:00 and 14:30 EST or
so.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Wasn't what I expected to be doing this
morning, e
> > > try {
> > >
> > > } catch( (JMSException | RemoteException | SQLException) e) {
> > > }
> > try {
> > ...
> > } catch (Exception e) {
> > ...
> > }
> Usually you don't want to just catch all exceptions in a single block.
> Instead you want to have clusters of exceptions
And w
There has been a lot of good discussions. Now we need to prioritize the
list. I have, as a strawman, started a prioritized list at the top of the
page. I put Continutations at the top, since it had the most "votes", and
added a few others. Obviously, I'm not going to add everyone's item. Add
y
> How can we find out whats already planned by Sun.
I asked that exact question, and was told that they don't want to bias our
input by telling us what is already on the plan. FWIW, I know that some of
the things are already on some plans there. There is a big meeting on
Monday to address future
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> How are we deciding on the Java Futures? Are we voting? Just talking?
Funny you should ask ... :-)
First, the ideas can be discussed on the mailing list, but we should collect
them on the Wiki. Second, we should try to prioritize them. Third, I have
some feedback al
matthew.hawthorne wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I have created a wiki page to collect the information. Please DO NOT
reply
> > to this message. Instead, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so
that we
> > have one open list) to discuss your ideas.
> So, are you saying
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I have created a wiki page to collect the information.
It would have helped if I remembered to paste the link ...
http://wiki.apache.org/general/JavaFutures
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Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements for the releases that
will follow Tiger, which means the next 3 years. So here's your chance to
tell Sun what you would like to see in J2SE versions 6 and 7. Once we
gather all of the ideas, we can try to see if we can prioritize the list.
I hav
Henri Gomez wrote:
> If some people found hard to install and glue jakarta software (not
> products) together they should consider JPackage.org ready to use
> RPMS. This Linux project make a cross distribution coherent Java
> distribution, which is now used by Mandrake, Suse and Redhat.
If you can
Christian Anton wrote:
> Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure
> for any other product??
Jakarta isn't a product.
> Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components
> at varying stages of development and interoperability and
> documentation??
Because that i
Henri Yandell wrote:
> * Every sub-project of Jakarta gets a subdirectory in the Jakarta SVN
> repo.
> So this means that, all of the Tomcat project would be in
> svn:/jakarta/tomcat/, all of Turbine within svn:/jakarta/turbine etc.
> Does anyone have any problems with this as a basic strategy?
> My understanding is that the Axion folks wanted to wait
> until they're done with their 1.0 release at Tigris
> before moving
So is my understanding as well.
> I don't know about Derby.
Derby is already in the Incubator and starting to work.
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> If someone with appropriate access wants to do the load feel free.
Done.
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From: Swamy, Narayana SS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:54
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Hi there,
I would to member of apache jakarta subscribe commity , give
me that url of corresponding page ?. help me
Thanx
Na
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From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:44
To: Christian Geisert
Cc: Jakarta General Mailinglist; Apache Infrastructure
Subject: Re: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists?
Hi,
thank
Brian McCallister wrote:
> I would strongly recommend checking out Axion
> they promised users a 1.0 release in [the tigris] namespace
I hadn't heard that until recently. Is that what accounts for the delay
between the Incubator being informed on October 16th that DB PMC had voted
to sponsor ax
> Interestingly, the ASF bylaws seem to imply that PMCs are only
> for members and officers of the ASF. I may be mis-interpreting:
> "Project Management Committees consisting of at least one officer of the
> corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may
> include one or
> I'd suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [until]
> the project has its own mailing lists.
It already does. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send the normal subscribe
request.
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robert burrell donkin wrote:
> IMO signatures are more important (than md5 sums) for the ASF and
> less important for users. md5 sums are quick and easy to understand.
If we were ever hacked, MD5 sums could be replaced without detection. That
cannot be done with PGP keys, and we have had people e
> I tend to disagree with your assertion that PGP signtures are less
> important than MD5 signatures. But then again, given how badly
> connected the PGP keys used to sign most Jakarta releases are, you
> are probably correct. A signature by a key that hasn't been signed
> by anybody else isn't m
> It appear Jira and Eyebrowse are down.
Fixed.
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Henri Yandell wrote:
> Please add me for both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list
No one ever added the address to the allow list, so they are all pending in
the moderator queue. And the sole moderator is rather busy right now. So
if the PMC would like to provide some additional moderators besides Geir ...
:-)
> the .htaccess file for the jakarta site has been modified directly but
> is maintained in CVS. unless anyone knows a good reason not to, i'll
> update the copy in CVS with the changes.
If the changes look right, please do. Not everyone who can make changes
knows that they are supposed to effect
> We agree that "burying" a project is less than helpful.
> It is the "invite people to be active" part that interests me. I'm not
> saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is
> polite to our users to give people a sense of activity.
Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNI
Tim O'Brien wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
> > > Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting
> > > this process
> >
> > First of all, I'm curious to know
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > OK, then let me propose this:
> >
> > - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no
> > active committers to nominate us.
> +1
+1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-)
Yoav's comment gets back to my ealier point. A PMC s
>>> We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options:
>>> - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
>>> them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
>>> - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
>>> Watchdog site, and indicate in o
> we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with
> oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is
> active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life.
Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave
the project in the commun
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog,
> as I think it's a useful example for other "graveyard" or "end-of-life"
> scenarios.
> We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process.
> A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a pr
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Secondly, I'm not one who favors "closing" an open source project.
Ever.
> Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and
> 'fail', or in commons-sandbox.
Depends upon wh
> If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the "Graveyard".
> Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process
> - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject.
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with
dormant projects.
Secondly,
Howard M. Lewis Ship asked:
> > Does anyone know where the (presumably) Photoshop files are for
> > the Apache logo (with the feather)?
Look in the foundation module.
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Yoav,
> "no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can confirm that there
is no such mailing list currently existent. I don't know when it
disappeared, other than the fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002,
but entire mailing lists structur
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
> I've been asked to mirror the Tapestry and HiveMind libraries, but
> haven't been able to find docs on
> the web about how to do so.
>
Do you mean for Maven and similar tools, or the basic mirroring requested of
all ASF projects?
If the latter, it appears that Tapest
> > As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL
> > code in ASL code that we host.
As I understand it, we do not want to link to LGPL code directly, but can
use it under another interface, e.g., we cannot import an LGPL package, but
if we have an LGPL service provider for JD
> Anyway, it's been pointed out to me (thanks, sebb!) that the perms on the
> directory have changed from when I first tried this, and now I can do it
> myself, so I have. :-)
Ah, that explains the e-mail I was about to send, saying that I had started
to do the move, but noticed first that it appe
> I've been waiting for the wiki to be fully set up
> The problem is that nobody with the appropriate privileges seems to have
> any time to move over some pages from the old wiki to the new one.
If all that is missing is karma, write a shell script with a list of mv
commands, and put it in your
> If there is anything else that I need to do please let me know.
Ever tossed a ball into a crowd, and watched it fall because everyone
expects someone else to deal with it?
If nothing happens sooner, ping again in a week or so. I've got to add my
own company's information, and I can add yours w
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