February Newsletter - Call for content

[Rob Oxspring]

Hi all,

Could those that have items for the February newsletter try to get them
to me in the next few days? If you haven't sent an item in before then
let the respective dev list know that your doing it and send me the text
(or a patch for the xdoc version once it's started).  If you contributed
last time round and don't feel a repeat effort coming on then letting the
respective dev list know would be helpful to keep some sort of flow
going.

In terms of timescale I'll try and post drafts from Monday and hopefully
arrive at a lazy concensus by Wednesday.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

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Re: [DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - January 2003

[Rob Oxspring]

Okay people time to add your stuff.

As per usual I've CCd the previous contributers in the hope that they'll
either contribute again or talk someone on their projects into taking
over.  If you want to write up the months gossip for a project then send
it to me and I'll include it, its probably best to let the appropriate
dev list know so that duplicated work can be avoided.

I'm going to be offline for the next week so won't be able to respond to
questions or conrtibutions but I'm sure people on the general list will
be able to resolve any issues.  I'll aim to collate all the input on the
afternoon of the 9th and post another draft then.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

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[DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - January 2003

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==

Issue: 7
Date: January 2003
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200301.html

TODO

Contents 


General
Lucene



General
===
" Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project "
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Robert Simmons kicked of a debate over the use of forum software to make
it easier for users to get involved with jakarta subprojects [1,2]. The
Jakarta developers seemed united in preferring mailing lists and pointed
out archives [3] and services such as gmane [4] for more casual use of
the lists.

The Pluto subproject was proposed as a reference implementation of the
Portlet API and was heavily discussed [5]. Relating to the portals theme,
Charon was propsed ro implement the Web Services for Remote
specification, although this recieved only a little discussion [6,7].

Dani Estermann asked for some advice on choosing a logging stratergy for
future code. Some advocated using the JDK logging if Java 1.4 was
guarenteed, others recommended using Log4j whatever the situation. It was
also suggested that the use of a facade such as commons-logging should be
limitted to situations where chioce is needed. Browse the archive for
further detail [8].

Is it time for a new look Jakarta? Maybe a unified Apache site look and
feel? Christoph Wilhelms suggested the use of his FakeForrest skin to
give Jakarta a facelift [9]. This offers a Forrest[10] look a like and
could act as a stepping stone towards the eventual use of forrest for the
websites.

[1] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=305266
[2] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=309508
[3] - http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/
[4] - http://www.gmane.org/
[5] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=308677
[6] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=308715
[7] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=308716
[8] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=314971
[9] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=315699
[10] - http://xml.apache.org/forrest/



Lucene 
==
" A high-performance, full-featured text search engine "
Editor: Otis Gospodnetic

This month's notes come straight from Lucene's CHANGES.txt file. In
addition to that I'll only mention that the Lucene team is preparing for
packaging the first release candidate for the 1.3 release.

a. Queries are no longer modified during a search. This makes it
possible, e.g., to reuse the same query instance with multiple indexes
from multiple threads.

b. Term-expanding queries (e.g. PrefixQuery, WildcardQuery, etc.) now
work correctly with MultiSearcher, fixing bugs 12619 and 12667.

c. Boosting BooleanQuery's now works, and is supported by the query
parser (problem reported by Lee Mallabone). Thus a query like "(+foo
+bar)^2 +baz" is now supported and equivalent to "(+foo^2 +bar^2) +baz".

d. New method: Query.rewrite(IndexReader). This permits a query to
re-write itself as an alternate, more primitive query. Most of the
term-expanding query classes (PrefixQuery, WildcardQuery, etc.) are now
implemented using this method.

e. New method: Searchable.explain(Query q, int doc). This returns an
Explanation instance that describes how a particular document is scored
against a query. An explanation can be displayed as either plain text,
with the toString() method, or as HTML, with the toHtml() method. Note
that computing an explanation is as expensive as executing the query over
the entire index. This is intended to be used in developing Similarity
implementations, and, for good performance, should not be displayed with
every hit.

f. Scorer and Weight are public, not package protected. It now possible
for someone to write a Scorer implementation that is not in the
org.apache.lucene.search package. This is still fairly advanced
programming, and I don't expect anyone to do this anytime soon, but at
least now it is possible.

g. Added public accessors to the primitive query classes (TermQuery,
PhraseQuery and BooleanQuery), permitting access to their terms and
clauses.

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[DRAFT] Jakarta Newsletter - December 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter  
==
Issue: 6 
Date: December 2002 
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200212.html 

As you would expect of the holiday season, not a lot was happening at
Jakarta other than some discussion, and the usual steady progress in a
number of projects.  This issue has been delayed somewhat due to
commitments to my real work, but the next issue will hopefully be a
little more feature rich and prompt as plenty seems to be happening
already!

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy
the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted
discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to
comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring

Contents  

General 
Lucene 
POI 



General  
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

"if continuous integration is a good thing on a small project, why not
apply it recursively and include all dependencies for which access to
source is provided" This has been the reasoning behind Gump [1] and
since so many Jakarta folk agreed [2] it was decided to promote Gump
from within alexandria to be a first class Jakarta subproject. Gump was
promoted out of alexandria to be a jakarta subproject. Gump had been
used to build all the latest versions of the jakarta code for a long
time now, and does a great job of keeping the developers on their toes
and helps maintain a high level of interoperability between subprojects.

For those that like Wikis, the turbine team talked us into starting up
our very own. As usual there was plenty of discussion about the pros and
cons, and plenty about the implementation [3,4] but Andy Oliver decided
to get the ball rolling with a simple system with minimal administration
needs [5].

Should Apache move into the world of C#? Does the JCP do Java any
favours? These are the general themes of this months big thread and
since both topics repeatedly come up at Jakarta, it will come as no
surprise to learn that opinions are mixed and conclusions are some time
off. Still, its always fun guessing which way to jump! [6,7]

[1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/ 
[2] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=296622 
[3] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=294885 
[4] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=295289 
[5] - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi 
[6] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=287011 
[7] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=286144 


 
Lucene  
==
"a high-performance, full-featured text search engine"
Editor: Otis Gospodnetic

Doug Cutting added Snowball Stemmers[1] to Lucene Sandbox Repository[2].
Snowball[3] is a small string processing language designed for creating
stemming algorithms for use in Information Retrieval. Snowball Stemmers
for Lucene project provides pre-compiled version of the Snowball
stemmers together with classes integrating them with the Lucene search
engine. 

Previously Lucene supported only English, German, and Russian. Lucene
users can now make use of the code provided by this new project and gain
support for the following languages: 

Danish 
Dutch 
English 
Finnish 
French 
German 
Italian 
Norwegian 
Portuguese 
Russian 
Spanish 
Swedish 

[1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/lucene-sandbox/snowball/ 
[2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/lucene-sandbox/ 
[3] - http://snowball.tartarus.org/ 
 

 
POI 
===
"APIs for manipulating various file formats based upon Microsoft's OLE 2
Compound Document format"
Editor: Glen Stampoultzis

Patch for custom palettes received. [1] 
Andy created a patch for a proposed refactoring of the
EventRecordFactory. [2]. 
Ken was rather busy converting Poi to the latest and greatest Centipede.

release and making it all run under gump. [3] 
Some idea's on refactoring the formula parser were discussed. [4] 
Ken let us in on the correct way to do releases. [5] 
Patch for recalc record comitted [6] 
Support for horizontal centering during print [7] 
Add support for setting the active cell in a worksheet through usermodel
[8] 

[1] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15743 
[2] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15660 
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=poi-dev&m=104065623 922418&w=2 
[4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10397344191&r=1&w =2 
[5] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=poi-dev&m=103911596 709970&w=2 
[6] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13500 
[7] - http://nagoya

RE: [DRAFT] Jakarta Newsletter - December 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Sorry if there are a couple of copies of the draft posted - mail
provider has just been having a bit of a hiccup and I'm not sure whats
getting through yet.

If you have any comments / corrections / additions for this issue then
please send them, I'll wait  at least 24 hrs before posting the final
copy - but assuming all is well I'll get it out the door within 48. As
ever if you want to contribute but don't like the timescale then let me
know within it and we'll see what can be done.

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Oxspring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 16 January 2003 22:40
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Subject: [DRAFT] Jakarta Newsletter - December 2002
> 
> 
> Jakarta Newsletter  
> ==
> Issue: 6 
> Date: December 2002 
> Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200212.html 
> 
> As you would expect of the holiday season, not a lot was 
> happening at Jakarta other than some discussion, and the 
> usual steady progress in a number of projects.  This issue 
> has been delayed somewhat due to commitments to my real work, 
> but the next issue will hopefully be a little more feature 
> rich and prompt as plenty seems to be happening already!
> 
> As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope 
> that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further 
> on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on 
> the appropriate list, if you want to comment on the 
> newsletter itself then please point your comments to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Rob Oxspring
> 
> Contents  
> 
> General 
> Lucene 
> POI 
> 
> 
> 
> General  
> ===
> "Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
> Editor: Rob Oxspring
> 
> "if continuous integration is a good thing on a small 
> project, why not apply it recursively and include all 
> dependencies for which access to source is provided" This has 
> been the reasoning behind Gump [1] and since so many Jakarta 
> folk agreed [2] it was decided to promote Gump from within 
> alexandria to be a first class Jakarta subproject. Gump was 
> promoted out of alexandria to be a jakarta subproject. Gump 
> had been used to build all the latest versions of the jakarta 
> code for a long time now, and does a great job of keeping the 
> developers on their toes and helps maintain a high level of 
> interoperability between subprojects.
> 
> For those that like Wikis, the turbine team talked us into 
> starting up our very own. As usual there was plenty of 
> discussion about the pros and cons, and plenty about the 
> implementation [3,4] but Andy Oliver decided to get the ball 
> rolling with a simple system with minimal administration needs [5].
> 
> Should Apache move into the world of C#? Does the JCP do Java 
> any favours? These are the general themes of this months big 
> thread and since both topics repeatedly come up at Jakarta, 
> it will come as no surprise to learn that opinions are mixed 
> and conclusions are some time off. Still, its always fun 
> guessing which way to jump! [6,7]
> 
> [1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/ 
> [2] - 
> http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=gener
> al@jakarta
> .apache.org&by=thread&from=296622 
> [3] - 
> http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=gener
> al@jakarta
> .apache.org&by=thread&from=294885 
> [4] - 
> http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=gener
> al@jakarta
> .apache.org&by=thread&from=295289 
> [5] - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi 
> [6] - 
> http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=gener
> al@jakarta
> .apache.org&by=thread&from=287011 
> [7] - 
> http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=gener
> al@jakarta
> .apache.org&by=thread&from=286144 
> 
> 
>  
> Lucene  
> ==
> "a high-performance, full-featured text search engine"
> Editor: Otis Gospodnetic
> 
> Doug Cutting added Snowball Stemmers[1] to Lucene Sandbox 
> Repository[2]. Snowball[3] is a small string processing 
> language designed for creating stemming algorithms for use in 
> Information Retrieval. Snowball Stemmers for Lucene project 
> provides pre-compiled version of the Snowball stemmers 
> together with classes integrating them with the Lucene search engine. 
> 
> Previously Lucene supported only English, German, and 
> Russian. Lucene users can now make use of the code provided 
> by this new project and gain support for the following languages: 
> 
> Danish 
> Dutch 
> English 
> Finnish 
> French 
> German 
> Italian 
> Norweg

[DRAFT] Jakarta Newsletter - December 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter  
==
Issue: 6 
Date: December 2002 
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200212.html 

As you would expect of the holiday season, not a lot was happening at
Jakarta other than some discussion, and the usual steady progress in a
number of projects.  This issue has been delayed somewhat due to
commitments to my real work, but the next issue will hopefully be a
little more feature rich and prompt as plenty seems to be happening
already!

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy
the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted
discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to
comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring

Contents  

General 
Lucene 
POI 



General  
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

"if continuous integration is a good thing on a small project, why not
apply it recursively and include all dependencies for which access to
source is provided" This has been the reasoning behind Gump [1] and
since so many Jakarta folk agreed [2] it was decided to promote Gump
from within alexandria to be a first class Jakarta subproject. Gump was
promoted out of alexandria to be a jakarta subproject. Gump had been
used to build all the latest versions of the jakarta code for a long
time now, and does a great job of keeping the developers on their toes
and helps maintain a high level of interoperability between subprojects.

For those that like Wikis, the turbine team talked us into starting up
our very own. As usual there was plenty of discussion about the pros and
cons, and plenty about the implementation [3,4] but Andy Oliver decided
to get the ball rolling with a simple system with minimal administration
needs [5].

Should Apache move into the world of C#? Does the JCP do Java any
favours? These are the general themes of this months big thread and
since both topics repeatedly come up at Jakarta, it will come as no
surprise to learn that opinions are mixed and conclusions are some time
off. Still, its always fun guessing which way to jump! [6,7]

[1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/ 
[2] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=296622 
[3] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=294885 
[4] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=295289 
[5] - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi 
[6] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=287011 
[7] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=286144 


 
Lucene  
==
"a high-performance, full-featured text search engine"
Editor: Otis Gospodnetic

Doug Cutting added Snowball Stemmers[1] to Lucene Sandbox Repository[2].
Snowball[3] is a small string processing language designed for creating
stemming algorithms for use in Information Retrieval. Snowball Stemmers
for Lucene project provides pre-compiled version of the Snowball
stemmers together with classes integrating them with the Lucene search
engine. 

Previously Lucene supported only English, German, and Russian. Lucene
users can now make use of the code provided by this new project and gain
support for the following languages: 

Danish 
Dutch 
English 
Finnish 
French 
German 
Italian 
Norwegian 
Portuguese 
Russian 
Spanish 
Swedish 

[1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/lucene-sandbox/snowball/ 
[2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/lucene-sandbox/ 
[3] - http://snowball.tartarus.org/ 
 

 
POI 
===
"APIs for manipulating various file formats based upon Microsoft's OLE 2
Compound Document format"
Editor: Glen Stampoultzis

Patch for custom palettes received. [1] 
Andy created a patch for a proposed refactoring of the
EventRecordFactory. [2]. 
Ken was rather busy converting Poi to the latest and greatest Centipede.

release and making it all run under gump. [3] 
Some idea's on refactoring the formula parser were discussed. [4] 
Ken let us in on the correct way to do releases. [5] 
Patch for recalc record comitted [6] 
Support for horizontal centering during print [7] 
Add support for setting the active cell in a worksheet through usermodel
[8] 

[1] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15743 
[2] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15660 
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=poi-dev&m=104065623 922418&w=2 
[4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10397344191&r=1&w =2 
[5] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=poi-dev&m=103911596 709970&w=2 
[6] - http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13500 
[7] - http://nagoya

Re: Newsletter - Request for content

[Rob Oxspring]

As you can see the timetable has slipped a bit!  However, there doesn't seem to be a 
lot to go in this issue (just an entry for
lucene + whatever I write to summarise general@) and I was wondering whether it was 
worth bothering with.  I realise this is to be
expected with the Christmas / New Year but there has been a general decline in content 
volume over the months and I was wondering
whether there was something that should be done to address this.  A number of thoughts 
have been mentioned by various people and I'd
be interested to hear opinions:

Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.
Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is required?
Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least partially) outside the 
jakarta scope, should we include
xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org? (with some 
appropriate rename)
Maybe its fine as it is?

Thanks,

Rob

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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Conor MacNeill'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Stefan Bodewig'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Otis 
Gospodnetic'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'David
Sean Taylor'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Martin Poeschl'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The end of the month is approaching again and I'm sure that, like me, a
> lot of you are focused on celebrating the new year.  Once all that is
> over I'd like to post the December issue of the newsletter so if people
> can send any reports to me that would be great.  Everyone is welcome to
> send summaries of any jakarta issues, those CC'd are so since they
> posted last time and are asked for a repeat effort or to try and prod
> others on the respective lists into taking over.
>
> In terms of timescale I'd like to pull the drafts together next weekend
> and post as soon as additions stop trickling in.  If the timescale
> doesn't suit but you'd like to contribute then give me an idea of you'll
> have something ready and we can discuss how long we can wait.
>
> In the meantime, thanks everyone and Happy New Year!
>
> Rob
>
> P.S. Big thanks to Otis for beating the content request! As usual!
>
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Newsletter - Request for content

[Rob Oxspring]

The end of the month is approaching again and I'm sure that, like me, a
lot of you are focused on celebrating the new year.  Once all that is
over I'd like to post the December issue of the newsletter so if people
can send any reports to me that would be great.  Everyone is welcome to
send summaries of any jakarta issues, those CC'd are so since they
posted last time and are asked for a repeat effort or to try and prod
others on the respective lists into taking over.

In terms of timescale I'd like to pull the drafts together next weekend
and post as soon as additions stop trickling in.  If the timescale
doesn't suit but you'd like to contribute then give me an idea of you'll
have something ready and we can discuss how long we can wait.

In the meantime, thanks everyone and Happy New Year!

Rob

P.S. Big thanks to Otis for beating the content request! As usual!


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[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - November 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==
Issue: 5
Date: November 2002
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200211.html

It has been a quiet month. Commons has killed on old component and welcomed a new one, 
while other components have kept up fixes,
features and releases. Elsewhere there has been more discussion about the 
infrastructure and community at Apache, and an attempt to
be helpful to those developers using IDEs

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If 
you would like to comment further on any of
the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to 
comment on the newsletter itself then please
point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring


Contents

General
Ant
Commons
Jetspeed
Lucene



General
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Andrew Oliver decided to do something about the Java developers who "cut their teeth" 
on IDEs and don't understand the intricacies
of the command line tools that are used under the hood. The page [1] was welcomed by 
many and was rapidly expanded [2] and should
hopefully be a resource useful to a wide range of developers.

Duplicated or pointless import statements appear over time in most Java code. This is 
an issue that Tom Copeland wanted to tackle,
and sparked a few iterations [3] of the "bad imports" report [4].

[1] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&from=281536&to=281536&count=39&by=thread&paged=f
alse
[2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html
[3] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=271386
[4] - http://cvs.apache.org/~tcopeland/jakarta_bad_imports.htm



Ant
===
"Apache Ant is a Java-based build tool"
Editor: Stefan Bodewig

The biggest news in Ant land is that Ant has been promoted to a top-level project at 
the board meeting in November. Much of the
discussion on ant-dev has been centered around the proposed board resolution, the 
formation of the initial PMC and similar issues
during the last months. [1,2,3]

While Ant is leaving the oversight of the Jakarta PMC with this move, Ant's committers 
are not necessarily leaving the Jakarta
community, many of us will still be around and contribute where we see fit.

After the release of Ant 1.5.1 at the beginning of October, we've kept on fixing 
smaller bugs in the 1.5 branch, so a 1.5.2 release
is getting more likely. At the same time, development in the HEAD branch is picking up 
momentum again as we start adding new
features and experiment with some stuff [4,5]

The Ant GUI, Antidote, is being revived and discussions are getting underway on the 
Ant-dev mailing list. If anyone wants to get
involved in this project, they are most welcome.

[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10365883356&r=1&w=2
[2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10370221362&r=1&w=2
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10377858962&r=1&w=2
[4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10383492934&r=1&w=2
[5] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10383442511&r=1&w=2



Commons
===
"creating and maintaining reusable Java components"
Editor: Henri Yandell


Releases

November saw the release of two new projects from Jakarta Commons, and the release of 
a bugfix for another project.

Commons Validator 1.0 was mentioned in the previous newsletter. It was released on 
November 1st and is a validation framework from
the Struts people.

Commons CLI 1.0 was released on the 6th of November and is an API for parsing command 
line arguments. It is the direct descendant of
3 older argument parsing APIs and other APIs have affected it over mail list 
discussions. This gives it a very high pedigree and
makes it a great choice for handling the command line.

Commons Lang 1.0.1 is the first bugfix release for the Lang project. There are no new 
APIs or deprecated functionality, so all
Commons Lang users are advised to upgrade, although the bugfixes are not 
earth-shattering.

[1] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-validator/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
[2] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-cli/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
[3] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-lang/v1.0.1/RELEASE-NOTES.txt


Gossip
--
November was quiet for Commons, as it was for all of Apache. Indeed, the Commons mail 
list dropped by 35%.

The Patterns project in the Sandbox has been mothballed as its code is to go into 
Commons Lang and Commons Util. Work has begun on
moving the BeanUtils reflection code over to Commons Lang and various BeanUtils bugs 
were dealt with.

A new database utility project has been proposed with generic JDBC(tm) utilities and 
lives under the name of 'DbUtils&#x

[DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - November 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==
Issue: 5
Date: November 2002
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200211.html

It has been a quiet month. Commons has killed on old component and welcomed a new one, 
while other components have kept up fixes,
features and releases. Elsewhere there has been more discussion about the 
infrastructure and community at Apache, and an attempt to
be helpful to those developers using IDEs

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If 
you would like to comment further on any of
the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to 
comment on the newsletter itself then please
point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring


Contents

General
Commons


General
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Andrew Oliver decided to do something about the Java developers who "cut their teeth" 
on IDEs and don't understand the intricacies
of the command line tools that are used under the hood. The page [1] was welcomed by 
many and was rapidly expanded [2] and should
hopefully be a resource useful to a wide range of developers.

Duplicated or pointless import statements appear over time in most Java code. This is 
an issue that Tom Copeland wanted to tackle,
and sparked a few iterations [3] of the "bad imports" report [4].

[1] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&from=281536&to=281536&count=39&by=thread&paged=f
alse
[2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html
[3] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=271386
[4] - http://cvs.apache.org/~tcopeland/jakarta_bad_imports.htm



Commons
===
"creating and maintaining reusable Java components"
Editor: Henri Yandell

Releases

November saw the release of two new projects from Jakarta Commons, and the release of 
a bugfix for another project.

Commons Validator 1.0 was mentioned in the previous newsletter. It was released on 
November 1st and is a validation framework from
the Struts people.

Commons CLI 1.0 was released on the 6th of November and is an API for parsing command 
line arguments. It is the direct descendant of
3 older argument parsing APIs and other APIs have affected it over mail list 
discussions. This gives it a very high pedigree and
makes it a great choice for handling the command line.

Commons Lang 1.0.1 is the first bugfix release for the Lang project. There are no new 
APIs or deprecated functionality, so all
Commons Lang users are advised to upgrade, although the bugfixes are not 
earth-shattering.

[1] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-validator/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
[2] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-cli/v1.0/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
[3] - 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-lang/v1.0.1/RELEASE-NOTES.txt


Gossip
--
November was quiet for Commons, as it was for all of Apache. Indeed, the Commons mail 
list dropped by 35%.

The Patterns project in the Sandbox has been mothballed as its code is to go into 
Commons Lang and Commons Util. Work has begun on
moving the BeanUtils reflection code over to Commons Lang and various BeanUtils bugs 
were dealt with.

A new database utility project has been proposed with generic JDBC(tm) utilities and 
lives under the name of 'DbUtils' in the
sandbox and a project named 'attributes' has been proposed to handle runtime metadata 
attributes.

[1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/attributes/


Jelly
-
Editor: James Strachan

Here are the main changes that have happened recently on the Jelly project...

XPath sorting now added to the XML library
 can now construct beans with constructor parameters
better reporting of JellyUnit failures, line numbers, expressions etc.
XMLUnit library added for unit testing of XML inside JellyUnit

So now JellyUnit can support the following XML unit testing constructs

XPath based assertions via 
schema validation via the jelly:validate library, testing XML against DTDs, XML 
Schema, RelaxNG etc
comparing 2 documents for equality using the new XMLUnit library
performing XSLT on some XML and then then performing any of the above
parsing HTML via the Neko parser and treating it as XML in any of the above

As well as Jexl based assertions, assertEquals and a new  tag to test 
for exceptions being thrown in Jelly scripts.



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Newsletter - Request for content

[Rob Oxspring]

Hello again,

We're very nearly done with another month so it's time to pester people about the 
newsletter again.  As usual, I've cc'd those that
submitted content last month in the hope that they will either submit something again, 
or manage to persuade someone else to take
over writing for the November issue.

If anybody else fancies doing a write up of the progress in some Jakarta project it 
then please send it in.  For a inspiration on
content and style you can review previous entries at 
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/, although new styles and ideas are welcome
too.

Planned timescale:
Submissions sent to me by midnight Monday 2-Dec-2002.
Drafts will be posted on Tuesday and Wednesday as needed for alterations and last 
minuters.
Final copy sent out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] midday 5-Nov-2002
All times GMT.

Thanks,

Rob


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[Rob Oxspring]

Thanks - will be in the final version.

Rob
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002


> U/f I don't have time to make a better entry (with links to an archive) and no one 
>responded for my call for help
>
> * POI put out a new development release that includes Macro support
> * Shawn Laubach was voted a committer
> * There was renewed interest in HDF our word port and several new folks expressed an 
>interest in volunteering
> * Andy discovered the default encoding on Redhat 8 is now UTF-8 and not 8859-1, 
>hence finally we have a machine to test POI with a
different default encoding and can fix that bug.
>
> -Andy
>
>
>
> Rob Oxspring wrote:
>
> >I'll give this another 3 hours or so, then assuming there are no problems / 
>additions I'll post it on announcements@jakarta
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:13 PM
> >Subject: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Jakarta Newsletter
> >>==
> >>Issue: 4
> >>Date: October 2002
> >>Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200210.html
> >>
> >>After a break for a month the newsletter is back. Over the last two months there 
>has been lots of organisational discussion.
After
> >>announcing the Japanese translation project last time round, a similar project in 
>Korean has come to light - a section below has
> >>been devoted to bringing you up to speed on progress. The lucene guys have been 
>making the usual steady progress mixing on both
> >>
> >>
> >bugs
> >
> >
> >>and features while the Struts team been introducing future plans and new members
> >>
> >>As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. 
>If you would like to comment further on any
of
> >>the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want 
>to comment on the newsletter itself then
please
> >>point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>Rob Oxspring
> >>
> >>
> >>Contents
> >>
> >>General
> >>Avalon
> >>Commons
> >>Korean Jakarta
> >>Lucene
> >>Struts
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>General
> >>===
> >>"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
> >>Editor: Rob Oxspring
> >>
> >>Jean-Frederic Clere was looking for a way to identify the version of the current 
>JVM. After questioning the reliability of
various
> >>options the conclusion turned out to be "It really depends on what you're trying 
>to discover" [1].
> >>
> >>Vincent Massol was wondering just who his fellow apache committers were and the 
>results of his survey sparked a light hearted
> >>
> >>
> >debate
> >
> >
> >>about what we'd learned [2].
> >>
> >>Does apache want another web application framework? Howard Ship has put Tapestry 
>[3] on the table and sparked off a long
> >>
> >>
> >discussion.
> >
> >
> >>Can we have too many? Is it different enough? Is code more important than 
>community? all angles are covered [4].
> >>
> >>Is jakarta too big? Should project such as tomcat, ant and others be top level 
>projects? All these things are under discussion
> >>
> >>
> >along
> >
> >
> >>with setting up a dedicated incubator project at apache. This is just the tip of 
>the iceberg the apache community has been
> >>discussing a big reorganisation [5, 6].
> >>
> >>Dominic Gagne asked a slightly off topic question about the difference between 
>Struts and Turbine and sparked off a long and
light
> >>hearted discussion about various templating problems and solutions [7].
> >>
> >>[1] - 
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=247331
> >>[2] -
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&searchText=%22Committers%2C+who+are+we%
3
> >
> >
> >>F%22

Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

I'll give this another 3 hours or so, then assuming there are no problems / additions 
I'll post it on announcements@jakarta

Rob

- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002


> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 4
> Date: October 2002
> Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200210.html
>
> After a break for a month the newsletter is back. Over the last two months there has 
>been lots of organisational discussion. After
> announcing the Japanese translation project last time round, a similar project in 
>Korean has come to light - a section below has
> been devoted to bringing you up to speed on progress. The lucene guys have been 
>making the usual steady progress mixing on both
bugs
> and features while the Struts team been introducing future plans and new members
>
> As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. 
>If you would like to comment further on any of
> the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want 
>to comment on the newsletter itself then please
> point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Rob Oxspring
>
>
> Contents
> 
> General
> Avalon
> Commons
> Korean Jakarta
> Lucene
> Struts
>
>
>
> General
> ===
> "Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
> Editor: Rob Oxspring
>
> Jean-Frederic Clere was looking for a way to identify the version of the current 
>JVM. After questioning the reliability of various
> options the conclusion turned out to be "It really depends on what you're trying to 
>discover" [1].
>
> Vincent Massol was wondering just who his fellow apache committers were and the 
>results of his survey sparked a light hearted
debate
> about what we'd learned [2].
>
> Does apache want another web application framework? Howard Ship has put Tapestry [3] 
>on the table and sparked off a long
discussion.
> Can we have too many? Is it different enough? Is code more important than community? 
>all angles are covered [4].
>
> Is jakarta too big? Should project such as tomcat, ant and others be top level 
>projects? All these things are under discussion
along
> with setting up a dedicated incubator project at apache. This is just the tip of the 
>iceberg the apache community has been
> discussing a big reorganisation [5, 6].
>
> Dominic Gagne asked a slightly off topic question about the difference between 
>Struts and Turbine and sparked off a long and light
> hearted discussion about various templating problems and solutions [7].
>
> [1] - 
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=247331
> [2] -
>
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&searchText=%22Committers%2C+who+are+we%3
> F%22&defaultField=subject&Search=Search
> [3] - http://tapestry.sf.net
> [4] -
>
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&from=260431&to=260431&count=73&by=thread&paged=f
> alse
> [5] - 
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=262621
> [6] - 
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=261440
> [7] - http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listId=19&by=thread&from=253037
>
>
>
> Avalon
> ==
> "The Avalon project is an effort to create, design, develop and maintain a common 
>framework and set of components for applications
> written using the Java language"
> Editor: Leo Simons
>
> Things have been so active, I can only provide a small sampling of what's been going 
>on :)
>
> Like many projects at apache, avalon has been busy discussing how to fit into the 
>new structure that is currently in the works.
> Being one of the projects that has suffered most from 'scope creep', there is a lot 
>to think about [1,2,3]. With avalon committers
> on the Incubator and Commons PMCs, there's definately a promising perspective.
>
> There have also been quite a few bug fixes and enhancements in various places (like 
>Avalon Phoenix now providing good support for
> using log4j [4] and allowing customizable classloader trees [5]). There's been work 
>integrating catalina and jo! [6] with phoenix.
>
> Following extended discussion [7,8,9], avalon also gained an implementation of the 
>delegat

[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==
Issue: 4
Date: October 2002
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200210.html

After a break for a month the newsletter is back. Over the last two months there has 
been lots of organisational discussion. After
announcing the Japanese translation project last time round, a similar project in 
Korean has come to light - a section below has
been devoted to bringing you up to speed on progress. The lucene guys have been making 
the usual steady progress mixing on both bugs
and features while the Struts team been introducing future plans and new members

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If 
you would like to comment further on any of
the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to 
comment on the newsletter itself then please
point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring


Contents

General
Avalon
Commons
Korean Jakarta
Lucene
Struts



General
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Jean-Frederic Clere was looking for a way to identify the version of the current JVM. 
After questioning the reliability of various
options the conclusion turned out to be "It really depends on what you're trying to 
discover" [1].

Vincent Massol was wondering just who his fellow apache committers were and the 
results of his survey sparked a light hearted debate
about what we'd learned [2].

Does apache want another web application framework? Howard Ship has put Tapestry [3] 
on the table and sparked off a long discussion.
Can we have too many? Is it different enough? Is code more important than community? 
all angles are covered [4].

Is jakarta too big? Should project such as tomcat, ant and others be top level 
projects? All these things are under discussion along
with setting up a dedicated incubator project at apache. This is just the tip of the 
iceberg the apache community has been
discussing a big reorganisation [5, 6].

Dominic Gagne asked a slightly off topic question about the difference between Struts 
and Turbine and sparked off a long and light
hearted discussion about various templating problems and solutions [7].

[1] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=247331
[2] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&searchText=%22Committers%2C+who+are+we%3
F%22&defaultField=subject&Search=Search
[3] - http://tapestry.sf.net
[4] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&from=260431&to=260431&count=73&by=thread&paged=f
alse
[5] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=262621
[6] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=261440
[7] - http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listId=19&by=thread&from=253037



Avalon
==
"The Avalon project is an effort to create, design, develop and maintain a common 
framework and set of components for applications
written using the Java language"
Editor: Leo Simons

Things have been so active, I can only provide a small sampling of what's been going 
on :)

Like many projects at apache, avalon has been busy discussing how to fit into the new 
structure that is currently in the works.
Being one of the projects that has suffered most from 'scope creep', there is a lot to 
think about [1,2,3]. With avalon committers
on the Incubator and Commons PMCs, there's definately a promising perspective.

There have also been quite a few bug fixes and enhancements in various places (like 
Avalon Phoenix now providing good support for
using log4j [4] and allowing customizable classloader trees [5]). There's been work 
integrating catalina and jo! [6] with phoenix.

Following extended discussion [7,8,9], avalon also gained an implementation of the 
delegate design pattern.

[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10357873406&r=1&w=2
[2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10359789155&r=1&w=2
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10354526811&r=1&w=2
[4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10354693374&r=1&w=2
[5] - 
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=avalon-phoenix-dev@;jakarta.apache.org&by=thread&from=268738
[6] - http://jakarta.apache.org/avalon/apps/apps/sevak/
[7] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10336429557&r=1&w=2
[8] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10336211462&r=1&w=2
[9] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10337010231&r=1&w=2



Commons
===
"creating and maintaining reusable Java components"
Editor: Henri Yandell


Releases

October has seen many new

[DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==
Issue: 4
Date: October 2002
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200210.html

After a break for a month the newsletter is back. Over the last two
months there has been lots of organisational discussion. After
announcing the Japanese translation project last time round, a similar
project in Korean has come to light - a section below has been devoted
to bringing you up to speed on progress. The lucene guys have been
making the usual steady progress mixing on both bugs and features while
the Struts team been introducing future plans and new members

As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy
the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted
discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if you want to
comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxspring

Contents

General
Commons
Korean Jakarta
Lucene
Struts



General
===
"Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project"
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Jean-Frederic Clere was looking for a way to identify the version of the
current JVM. After questioning the reliability of various options the
conclusion turned out to be "It really depends on what you're trying to
discover" [1].

Vincent Massol was wondering just who his fellow apache committers were
and the results of his survey sparked a light hearted debate about what
we'd learned [2].

Does apache want another web application framework? Howard Ship has put
Tapestry [3] on the table and sparked off a long discussion. Can we have
too many? Is it different enough? Is code more important than community?
all angles are covered [4].

Is jakarta too big? Should project such as tomcat, ant and others be top
level projects? All these things are under discussion along with setting
up a dedicated incubator project at apache. This is just the tip of the
iceberg the apache community has been discussing a big reorganisation
[5, 6].

Dominic Gagne asked a slightly off topic question about the difference
between Struts and Turbine and sparked off a long and light hearted
discussion about various templating problems and solutions [7].

[1] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=247331
[2] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=general
@jakarta.apache.org&searchText=%22Committers%2C+who+are+we%3F%22&default
Field=subject&Search=Search
[3] - http://tapestry.sf.net
[4] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta
.apache.org&from=260431&to=260431&count=73&by=thread&paged=false
[5] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=262621
[6] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=general@;jakarta
.apache.org&by=thread&from=261440
[7] -
http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listId=19&by=thread&from
=253037



Commons
===
Due to the diverse nature of the commons group, this section has been
split up to make it easier to pick out the topics of interest. This
months stories come from the following:

...



Korean Jakarta
==
"Jakarta Site in Korean"
Editor: Jaechun Noh

Java developers in Korea have more interests in jakarta project than all
the time. But many of them have trouble directly reading original
English site. Most problems we are encounterd during development using
jakarta projects can be solved only if we search for site manuals. We
want many people directly searching informations by their convenient
languages.

Currently about 35 people participate in the project, and Hangul
translation of 13 subprojects is in progress. Tomcat, Struts, Ant Among
those have many volunteers more than three since interests in those
subprojects are higher than any others in Korea. At the end of this
year, we plan to finish all documents in Tomcat 4.X, Struts 1.0.2, POI,
JMeter, Ant etc. We are all working with pure purpose without any
support from commercial corporation and without any reward.

[1] - http://www.apache-korea.org/



Lucene
==
"a high-performance, full-featured text search engine"
Editor: Otis Gospodnetic

The biggest change to Lucene since Auguest was the addition of a
mechanism that allows Document and Field boosting [1]. This change
allows one to give additional boost to certain documents and/or fields,
which results in those documents getting a higher ranking when they
match a query.

A new method, setPositionIncrement() in Token class was added. This
permits, for the purpose of phrase searching, placing multiple terms in
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Newsletter - Request for content

[Rob Oxspring]

Hi all,

After a lapse last month its approaching time to put together another
newsletter.  As usual, I've cc'd those that submitted content last month
in the hope that they will either submit something again, or try to
persuade someone else to take over writing for the Sep-Oct issue.

If anybody else fancies doing a write up of the progress in some Jakarta
project it then please send it in.  For a inspiration on content and
style you can review previous entries at
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/, although new styles and ideas are
welcome too.

Planned timescale:
Submissions sent to me by midnight Sunday 3-Nov-2002.
Drafts will be posted on Monday and Tuesday as needed for alterations
and last minuters.
Final copy sent out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] midday
6-Nov-2002
All times GMT.

Thanks,

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[Rob Oxspring]

The consensus (mainly private mails) seems to be to stick to the monthly scheme and 
accept September as a blip.

So business as usual - I'll call for contributions covering Sep + Oct sometime next 
week and post drafts from the 4th.

Cheers,

Rob

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Ewins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Newsletter


> As a reader, monthly is a good frequency.  Maybe I'm expecting something
> different from the newsletter than you're looking to include?
>
> I look at the newsletter as being something like kernel traffic[1], the
> kernel cousins[2], or the 'eclectic' weblog[3]. It lets me keep up with
> the direction the community is heading in without reading all the lists.
> Announcements of new releases are actually the least interesting parts
> of the newsletter, since these get flagged up on the main news page
> anyway, and as you say arent all that frequent; feature-freezes and
> banches are more interesting.  The most interesting things though are
> when something new appears on the horizon, a major new feature becomes
> usable (even if unstable), or there is a statement of the future
> direction of the project on the list. This kind of nugget is exactly
> what you need to keep abreast of the projects.
>
> Stuff like that did appear on struts dev in September - and it does
> every month! -, even though Sept was a light month for messages:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listId=41&msgNo=10612 - the
> Struts-EL package was checked in
> 
>http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=struts-dev@;jakarta.apache.org&msgNo=10550
> - which led to David Karr becoming a committer
> 
>http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=struts-dev@;jakarta.apache.org&msgNo=10547
> - Craig clarified whats going on with struts and JSF (you could make the
> whole months struts entry just by editing down this email!)
>
> If the editorial was going to the depth of kernel traffic, rather than
> the paragraph or two each list gets in the newsletter, I'd also have
> included some of the thread voting on validator behaviour, the responses
> to Craigs email about JSF, and possibly some of the discussion on
> browser caching[4].
>
> eh, this isnt me volunteering as editor or anything ;) - I'm just giving
> my perspective on what I get out of reading the newsletter.
>
> Cheers,
> Baz
>
> [1] http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html (summarizes the
> linux-kernel list)
> [2] http://kt.zork.net/wine/latest.html - for example, this is the wine
> kernel cousin
> [3] http://weblogs.userland.com/eclectic/ - eclectic covers the xml-dev
> list (by the former author of xml-deviant
> http://www.xml.com/pub/q/xmldeviant)
> [4] surprised noone mentioned that because ActionServlet doesn't
> override lastModified()  conditional GETs on struts actions arent
> supported - but thats by the by.
>
> Joe Germuska wrote:
>
> > As the volunteer editor for Struts for the first few newsletters, I'm
> > wondering if monthly is the right frequency for these?  Maybe it's
> > because Struts is pretty focused on killing bugs for a 1.1 release,
> > but that doesn't make for a lot of interesting news.
> >
> > Of course, the fact that various projects can participate or not
> > according to their wishes may mean that circulating the newsletter
> > every month is sensible, but that projects shouldn't feel obliged to
> > conjure up news every month if there isn't much to say?
> >
> > We could probably survive with newsletters every 2 or 3 months instead
> > of monthly.
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
>
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Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

Hi all,

You may or may not have noticed that there wasn't a newsletter at the beginning of the 
month.  Unfortunately I was extremely busy
with a release at the turn of the month and then have been ill since.  All is well now 
though.

Now that I'm back on my feet again I'm wondering what to do about the missing issue... 
Otis sent a lucene update, but is it worth
pursuing others for contributions or should we skip September and have a bumper 
October issue? alternatively we could publish a mid
October one and then wait another 6 weeks or so for the next.

Thanks for the thoughts,

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[PATCH] RE: Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Any chance of applying the patch to bring the online copy in line with
the one that went out?

Cheers,

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Oxspring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 4 July 2002 20:02
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002
> 
> 
> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 1
> Date: June 2002
> Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200206.html
> 



Index: 200206.xml
===
RCS file: /home/cvspublic/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/news/200206.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 200206.xml
--- 200206.xml  2 Jul 2002 12:24:10 -   1.1
+++ 200206.xml  4 Jul 2002 19:00:23 -
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 
 
     
-    Rob J. Oxspring
+Rob Oxspring
 Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002 - #1
 
 
@@ -12,13 +12,13 @@
 
 Date: June 2002
 
-Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/newletter/200206.html";>http://jakarta.apache.org/newletter/200206.html
+Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200206.html";>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200206.html
 
 
 Welcome to the issue #1 of the Jakarta Newsletter.  The aim of the newsletter is 
to try and let people know what's been going on in the jakarta projects when they have 
been unable to monitor all of them themselves.  The editorship of the various sections 
and overall will probably vary which should hopefully lead to a fairly dynamic monthly 
newsletter.
 So who's sending this to you? I'm a UK software developer working mainly with 
database webapps, with an interest in the development processes involved.  My 
involvement at jakarta has been mainly as a user of various subprojects, a lurker on 
the general and commons-dev lists, a long time lurker and occasional conributor to 
Ant, and lately this Newsletter has become my pet project.
 This month we have news based contributions from several projects and a plea for 
requirements from Avalon.  I'd like to thank those who contributed and hope that you 
enjoy the read.  If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted 
discussions then please do so on the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html";>appropriate list, if you want to 
comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=[Newsletter]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED].
-Rob Oxsping
+Rob Oxspring
 
 General
 Ant
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 Jetspeed
 Log4j
 Lucene
-Object Bridge
+ObJectRelationalBridge
 ORO
 POI
 Struts
@@ -271,7 +271,7 @@
 
 
 
-
+
 Editor: Thomas Mahler  
 
 OJB joined Jakarta in June!
@@ -296,7 +296,11 @@
 
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 [2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/ojb/jdo/jdo-proposal.html";>http://jakarta.apache.org/ojb/jdo/jdo-proposal.html
-[3] - http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=225";>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=225
+[3] - http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgId=382893";>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgId=382893
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[FINAL] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Okay, comments have pretty much dried up now so I'm getting ready to send
out the final version on announcements@... any chance of someone dropping
the latest copy of 200206.xml into cvs and letting me know when things are
all set?  Its not a diff as I can't seem to access cvs at the moment...
hopefully this is just a local problem...

The zip also has a replacement index.xml that also points to the May issue
#0 in case thats wanted.  I'll leave that to the committer's discretion
though.

Rob



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[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Please find attached the xdoc/html/txt versions of the the second draft
(zipped).

The changes:
oNew sections for Jetspeed, Lucene, and Tomcat
oMentions actual release of JXPath not just talk of
oCeki's name is now in its full glory, as is Mike McAngus's
oSwitched Mahler Thomas to Thomas Mahler

Do people want the html version? if so, we could do with finalising the
location and someone committing the xdoc before I send the final copy out to
the wide world.

If we can decide this matter and there are no more changes / submissions
then I'll send this copy out tomorrow.  So again - let me know of any
changes you think are necessary.

Rob



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[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Please find attached the xdoc/html/txt versions of the the second draft
(zipped).

The changes:
oNew sections for Jetspeed, Lucene, and Tomcat
oMentions actual release of JXPath not just talk of
oCeki's name is now in its full glory, as is Mike McAngus's
oSwitched Mahler Thomas to Thomas Mahler

Do people want the html version? if so, we could do with finalising the
location and someone committing the xdoc before I send the final copy out to
the wide world.

If we can decide this matter and there are no more changes / submissions
then I'll send this copy out tomorrow.  So again - let me know of any
changes you think are necessary.

Rob



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Fw: Jakarta Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

Quick opinion poll:

Otis Gospodnetic asked whether an alternate name might be preferred.  It
hadn't occured to me to be more creative on the naming front at all, but the
suggestions follow:

> Jakarta Gist
> Jakarta Report(er)
> Jakarta Informer
> Jakarta Informant
> Jakarta Monthly
> Jakarta Briefs
>
> You can combine some, there are plenty of other similar names.  I like
> the first 4 more than the last 2.
>
> Otis
>

Any thoughts / preferences? or do we stick with Jakarta Newsletter?

Rob


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Re: [DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Hopefully you'll find attached the xdoc version of the letter and the
generated html copy (zipped).  I think it would be useful to have the online
html version and linked to it from the newsletter so if we agree could some
one put the 200206.xml file into jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/newsletter please.
(or a different name & location with a patch to the letter).

If you have minor alterations let me know and I'll chuck them in. If there
are bigger changes / additions then diffs to the xdoc would make my life
easier since at the moment the text version is just a cut and paste from the
html in IE.  Eventually I'll get round to learning velocity and writing a
template to produce the text from the xdoc.

Hopefully I've not missed any contributions out... shout if I have.

Ceki - I lost the umlauts(?) in your surname because they were causing the
xdoc->html transition to fall over... any ideas how to fix? or is it not a
problem?

Pier / Henri - Care to summerise the tomcat 5 flamewars and other stuff
there? or maybe find someone else to do so? I don't have the time to look
into it myself so if its gonna go in then someone else needs to write it.

Anyway, have a read and see what you think.  If there are no -1s and there
is no discussion I'll aim to send out the proper version on wednesday.

Special thanks to Berin, Ceki, Thomas, Daniel, Avik, Joe and Shawn for
arranging conributions and to those others who've added thoughts comments
along the way.

Rob

- Original Message -
From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:53 PM
Subject: [DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002


> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
>
> Issue: 1
> Date: June 2002
> URL: http://jakarta.apache.org/newletter/200206.html
>
> Welcome to the issue #1 of the Jakarta Newsletter. The aim of the
newsletter
> is to try and let people know what's been going on in the jakarta projects
> that when have been unable to monitor all of them. The editorship of the
> various sections and overall will probably vary which should hopefully
lead
> to a fairly dynamic monthly newsletter.
>
> So who's sending this to you? I'm a UK software developer working mainly
> with database webapps but with an interest in development processes. My
> involvement at jakarta has been mainly as a user of various subprojects, a
> lurker on the general and commons-dev lists, a long time lurker and
> occasional conributor to Ant, and lately this Newsletter has become my pet
> project.
>
> This month we have news based contributions from several projects and a
plea
> for requirements from avalon. I'd like to thank those who contributed and
> hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any
of
> the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if
> you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your
comments
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Rob Oxsping
>
>
>
> Contents
> 
> General
> Ant
> Avalon
> Commons
> Log4j
> Object Bridge
> ORO
> POI
> Struts
> Taglibs
>
>
>
> General
> ===
> Editor: Rob Oxspring
>
> Discussions on general have been fairly light weight this month. The main
> points have been in regard to issue 0 off the newsletter [1] and some
> discussion about how best to setup the scarab installation for bug
reporting
> [2].
>
> The other main "on topic" thread regarded java.sun.com's new look. Is it
> time for jakarta to have a facelift? can we learn lessons from sun? The
> answer seems to be wait for maven or forrest but generally the familiar
open
> source rule of "your itch, you scratch it" applies [3]. The same thread
also
> discusses the idea of announced and arranged live chats about the various
> jakarta project with key developers on hand to help explain and assist.
>
> [1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10232855325&r=1&w=2&n=21
> [2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10239199531&r=1&w=2&n=12
> [3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10252004412&r=1&w=2&n=10
>
>
>
> Avalon
> ==
> Editor: Berin Loritsch
>
> The Avalon team is in the process of identifying the requirements for a
new
> version of the Avalon Framework. The changes are minimal, and focus on a
> tighter definition of the contract between the container and the
component.
> The container is the code that manages all the components and how to
access
> them. The Avalon team has identified some anti-patterns related to its
use,
> and wants to provide a way to make it easier to use correctly.
>
> What we want to find out from the community at large is:
>
> 1) Are you curren

[DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==

Issue: 1
Date: June 2002
URL: http://jakarta.apache.org/newletter/200206.html

Welcome to the issue #1 of the Jakarta Newsletter. The aim of the newsletter
is to try and let people know what's been going on in the jakarta projects
that when have been unable to monitor all of them. The editorship of the
various sections and overall will probably vary which should hopefully lead
to a fairly dynamic monthly newsletter.

So who's sending this to you? I'm a UK software developer working mainly
with database webapps but with an interest in development processes. My
involvement at jakarta has been mainly as a user of various subprojects, a
lurker on the general and commons-dev lists, a long time lurker and
occasional conributor to Ant, and lately this Newsletter has become my pet
project.

This month we have news based contributions from several projects and a plea
for requirements from avalon. I'd like to thank those who contributed and
hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of
the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list, if
you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rob Oxsping



Contents

General
Ant
Avalon
Commons
Log4j
Object Bridge
ORO
POI
Struts
Taglibs



General
===
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Discussions on general have been fairly light weight this month. The main
points have been in regard to issue 0 off the newsletter [1] and some
discussion about how best to setup the scarab installation for bug reporting
[2].

The other main "on topic" thread regarded java.sun.com's new look. Is it
time for jakarta to have a facelift? can we learn lessons from sun? The
answer seems to be wait for maven or forrest but generally the familiar open
source rule of "your itch, you scratch it" applies [3]. The same thread also
discusses the idea of announced and arranged live chats about the various
jakarta project with key developers on hand to help explain and assist.

[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10232855325&r=1&w=2&n=21
[2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10239199531&r=1&w=2&n=12
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10252004412&r=1&w=2&n=10



Avalon
==
Editor: Berin Loritsch

The Avalon team is in the process of identifying the requirements for a new
version of the Avalon Framework. The changes are minimal, and focus on a
tighter definition of the contract between the container and the component.
The container is the code that manages all the components and how to access
them. The Avalon team has identified some anti-patterns related to its use,
and wants to provide a way to make it easier to use correctly.

What we want to find out from the community at large is:

1) Are you currently using Avalon in one of your projects?

2) If not, what would it take for you to consider using it on a future
project?

3) If yes, what did you like best? What were your greatest challenges? If
you could choose one way to improve Avalon, what would it be?

Slated for the next version of Avalon already:

1) Enhanced Meta Data. We are unifying the way we define meta data for the
components. This allows the component to be used in any Avalon compliant
container with zero issues. Previously you had to find out how any one
container defined meta information (like version, whether the component is
threadsafe or not, etc.).

2) (Tentative but likely) Standard way of extending the component lifecycle.
Avalon already has a rich lifecycle management system, but sometimes you
need an application specific extension. We have plans of allowing that to
happen, and use any of the existing containers.

3) Enhanced tutuorials, user documentation. The new docs (when written) will
focus first on how to use Avalon (the biggest complaint about our
documentation). It will then present the anti-patterns that Avalon is
supposed to address, and the patterns it uses to solve those issues.



Ant
===
Editor: Rob Oxspring

Conor MacNeill introduced some documentation aobut his Ant2 proposal and
this lead to a discussion of how we could make ant projects more object
oriented and reusable and looking at how other systems achieve a similar
result [1]. In particular the Myrmidon Ant2 proposal featured with
discussion moving onto whether templating could solve the problems being
faced [2].

The antidote (ant gui) project has seen a small revival this month with a
couple of new developers joining forces with Christoph Wilhelms to try and
drive the project forward [3,4].

The cvs freeze for Beta3 went without a hitch [5,6] and in preparation for
the release Erik Hatcher and Steve Loughran lead the way updating javadocs
and manual entries for various tasks [7]. In the aftermath of Beta3 some new
version checks and diagnostic information have been discussed and added to
aide users in getting the appr

Jakarta Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

Firstly, apologies for the cross post but I wanted your attention (and
conribtutions).  Any discussion following that should involve me should
probably go on general@ or cc me directly - the whole point of the
newsletter is that I have niether the time nor the inclination to join all
the -dev lists myself... read on.

The idea is to try and produce a Jakarta Newsletter to let developers know
what has been going on in the other projects, without having to monitor each
of them.  Hopefully this will allow people to spot discussions and
subprojects that are important to them but were happening within a foriegn
list, the net result should be better cross-pollination of ideas and
increased awareness through jakarta generally.  Enough of the high aims - a
proof of concept issue was put out and discussed on general@
(http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED].
org&msgId=353518) and so I'm now trying to gather information for a proper
issue #1.

What I'm after is a volunteer from each group to edit together summaries of
the intersting / important discussions within their own group over the
course of June, and send me the result by the end of Sunday.  It would be
good (though not essential) if you could let me know that someone will be
taking on the task for your project, so that I can reduce the general
pestering in later mails .  Any groups that submit nothing will simply not
feature as I have not got the time to browse and edit the discussions
myself.

Thanks in advance,

Rob


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[Rob Oxspring]

Id like to propose the following time scale for the June newsletter and
similar setup for subsequent ones.

1)Content submissions in by end of sunday (midnight)

2)I'll pull together whats there and post a draft copy to general@ on
the Monday (1st July)

3)Then await edits and a lazy consensus and post final copy to
announcements@ on the Wednesday (3rd July)

Content should aim to summerise what's been going on in the various groups
throughout June, I used the most active threads for issue #0
(http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED].
org&msgNo=12130) but this may miss out the occasional worthy decision /
change / vote, YMMV.  It would also be good to all be using the same
reference source so nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse for links to mail archives
where possible?

I guess submissions might as well go directly to me so that the draft has
something new for people to read.  Although as Ted Husted suggested -
discussion of content in the respective -dev lists would probably be a good
step prior to submission, and some sort of [news] subject prefix would be
appreciated for filtering.  If projects want to further subdivide (e.g.
commons / avalon) then they should organise it amongst themselves.

Could I have volunteers to organise / edit / submit on behalf of each -dev
list for June? I'd like to avoid a cross-post invitation to all -dev@ if at
all possible.

Rob


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[Rob Oxspring]

Thanks Erik,

I think its gonna take a few of us keeping it high priority to get the
ball rolling properly - it took me long enough to get around to this one
(though whats 6 months between software engineers) - i.e. although a
calendar alarm has been set for next month, prods and reminders are
definitely appreciated :)

You are probably right re the level of detail - its partially just my
style showing through but also because I thought it'd look a bit empty
with just general, ant and commons on there.  I think a lot of this sort
of thing will vary with the style of the individual "column" authors and
the level of activity within each project, IMHO this variation should
make it a more interesting read and should be encouraged - at least for
the first few months while we don't know what's best.

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 5 June 2002 23:45
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> Rob,
> 
> Very nice.  I've been keeping this idea high on my to-do list 
> and I'm glad to see you finally get to it.
> 
> This is more detailed than future ones probably should be, 
> and that would likely be the case when other projects get 
> incorporated anyway.
> 
> Great job, and you can count on me assisting you with this in 
> any way possible in the future.
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57 AM
> Subject: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
> >
> > A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general 
> > list
> and
> > so I figured it was high time that one was produced. The 
> discussions 
> > previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular 
> > change of editorship. The aim is that for the future, 
> different people 
> > will take
> over
> > different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged 
> > down
> with
> > the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of 
> > volunteers step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter 
> > editing as a regular responsibility for each of their active 
> > committers.
> >
> > Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter 
> that can be 
> > sent out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) 
> and try to 
> > keep people informed of what all the projects are up to 
> without having 
> > to
> monitor
> > all the projects
> >
> > This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of 
> > developers
> and
> > as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly. 
> > With
> luck
> > others will help out future issues providing a varied style 
> and more 
> > complete content.
> >
> > Rob Oxspring
> >
> >
> >
> > General
> > ===
> >
> > This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat 
> > subproject. [1] The resulting threads from this discussed how much a
> person
> > should have to do before being given committer rights [2] and what 
> > they should have had to do. This in turn lead to a proposed 
> rethink of 
> > the current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be 
> > committers? should people be given voting rights without 
> CVS access? - 
> > should they be given
> CVS
> > access without the hassle of voting rights? The answers 
> seemed to be 
> > probably, possibly and probably not respectively [3] On a similar 
> > note, there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture 
> > volunteers to
> keep
> > Jakarta growing and progressing [4]
> >
> > An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] 
> > lead to
> a
> > few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta. The 
> > main focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] 
> > although Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation. There was 
> > also discussion of the best way to measure project activity and how 
> > useful such a metric would be [8].
> >
> > Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was 
> > advocated by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be 
> > using. The ensuing flame war included a lot of Centipede vs 
> Maven, XSL 
> > vs Velocity, and other Ego clashes. The result seems to 
> have been that 
> > 

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

- Original Message -
From: "Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002


> "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
>
> Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this
mailing
> list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements...

Yep - thats the sensible compromise between general@ and announcements@ that
I've been looking for. Doh!

> This can be
> done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my
flamewars.

I'll certainly try ;o)

Rob

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[Rob Oxspring]

Well, there it is.

It took me much longer than I expected, although that's partly due to the
jubilee holiday festivities, but finally I came up with something.  The
contents are limited to general / ant / commons because they're the only dev
lists I follow, and the items were chosen on an arbitrary basis (thread size
>=10).

So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)

If it is to continue:

1) Should we have an archive on the web site (xdoc copy attached as my +1)

2) Which list should it post to? - its aimed at people that aren't
subscribed to too many of the lists so announcements seems the most likely
current option, although maybe a separate newsletter@ would be the way
forward - eitherway I'd guess replies should go to general@.

3) Editors for the various sections will be required - I'm sure I didn't do
commons justice and editing is far from what I'm good at anyway - so please
step forward if you want to edit for a project.

4) I guess I'll put out a request for content around the 28th and aim to
release in the week of July 1st.

Enjoy,

Rob


Oh, and I'm sorry that I didn't reference the EyeBrowse archive - wanted to
but kept getting timeouts when fishing for links on friday.





Rob J. Oxspring
Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002 - #0





Issue: 0

Date: May 2002


A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general list and so I figured it was high time that one was produced.  The discussions previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular change of editorship.  The aim is that for the future, different people will take over different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged down with the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of volunteers step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter editing as a regular responsibility for each of their active committers.
Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter that can be sent out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) and try to keep people informed of what all the projects are up to without having to monitor all the projects
This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of developers and as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly.  With luck others will help out future issues providing a varied style and more complete content.

Rob Oxspring


General
Ant
Commons





This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat subproject.
[1]

The resulting threads from this discussed how much a person should have to do before being given committer rights
[2]
and what they should have had to do.  This in turn lead to a proposed rethink of the current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be committers? should people be given voting rights without CVS access? - should they be given CVS access without the hassle of voting rights?  The answers seemed to be probably, possibly and probably not respectively
[3]

On a similar note, there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture volunteers to keep Jakarta growing and progressing
[4]



An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] lead to a few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta.  The main focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] although Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation.  There was also discussion of the best way to measure project activity and how useful such a metric would be [8].



Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was advocated by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be using.  The ensuing flame war included a lot of Centipede vs Maven, XSL vs Velocity, and other Ego clashes.  The result seems to have been that some commons projects have switched to maven and that several people have begun to think about what is and isn't provided by the Forest / Gump / Maven / Centipede projects - Surely good things will come.
Instead  of pointing to specific threads here I'll just suggest that you search the archives for the countless threads along the lines of "Quick! convert all your projects to maven!", "You make the decision", "You guys are so funny", and "[PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends".


It was noted that the general list seems to be targeted for advertising Jakarta support but that there should be a better place for this.  The discussion [9] lead to a new page on the web site listing providers of Jakarta support [10].


Should database related technology have its own Apache project? the theme of a language per project at Apache could be lost, but is this a problem? Read the full thread [11] and see what you think.



[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11";>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11
[2] -

Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Jakarta Newsletter
==
Issue: 0
Date: May 2002

A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general list and
so I figured it was high time that one was produced. The discussions
previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular change of
editorship. The aim is that for the future, different people will take over
different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged down with
the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of volunteers
step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter editing as a regular
responsibility for each of their active committers.

Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter that can be sent
out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) and try to keep
people informed of what all the projects are up to without having to monitor
all the projects

This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of developers and
as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly. With luck
others will help out future issues providing a varied style and more
complete content.

Rob Oxspring



General
===

This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat
subproject. [1] The resulting threads from this discussed how much a person
should have to do before being given committer rights [2] and what they
should have had to do. This in turn lead to a proposed rethink of the
current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be committers? should
people be given voting rights without CVS access? - should they be given CVS
access without the hassle of voting rights? The answers seemed to be
probably, possibly and probably not respectively [3] On a similar note,
there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture volunteers to keep
Jakarta growing and progressing [4]

An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] lead to a
few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta. The main
focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] although
Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation. There was also discussion
of the best way to measure project activity and how useful such a metric
would be [8].

Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was advocated
by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be using. The ensuing
flame war included a lot of Centipede vs Maven, XSL vs Velocity, and other
Ego clashes. The result seems to have been that some commons projects have
switched to maven and that several people have begun to think about what is
and isn't provided by the Forest / Gump / Maven / Centipede projects -
Surely good things will come. Instead of pointing to specific threads here
I'll just suggest that you search the archives for the countless threads
along the lines of "Quick! convert all your projects to maven!", "You make
the decision", "You guys are so funny", and "[PROPOSAL] Centaven and
Friends".

It was noted that the general list seems to be targeted for advertising
Jakarta support but that there should be a better place for this. The
discussion [9] lead to a new page on the web site listing providers of
Jakarta support [10].

Should database related technology have its own Apache project? the theme of
a language per project at Apache could be lost, but is this a problem? Read
the full thread [11] and see what you think.

[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11
[2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222634452&r=1&w=2&n=24
[3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222816225&r=1&w=2&n=99
[4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222976112&r=1&w=2&n=11
[5] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10204510812&r=1&w=2&n=23
[6] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10204574701&r=1&w=4&n=14
[7] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10219434461&r=1&w=2&n=10
[8] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10211291743&r=1&w=2&n=12
[9] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10212772502&r=1&w=2&n=27
[10] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10213983331&r=1&w=2&n=12
[11] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10203755791&r=1&w=2&n=53



Ant
===

The first beta of version 1.5 was released this month, provoking lots of bug
fixing and doc patching [12]. A difference causing some confusion this time
round was that the optional.jar is now included as the main distribution
[13] and this also moved into discussions of how to repeat the builds and
how the rpm version should be created and installed [14]. By the time you
read this the second beta should have been released.

As well as having to decide whether to include the optional.jar file, the
jaxp implementation also cropped up. The crux of the discussion revolves
around whether we should be distributing Xalan as well as Xerces, and
inde

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

[Rob Oxspring]

Have never played with any mailing list software myself but would it be
possible to bounce cross posts? That way people would soon learn that cross
posts are not appreciated without having to interrupt the subscribers!

Just thinking out loud...

Rob

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Advertisement using Apache lists


On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:13, Jeff Turner wrote:
> I doubt a separate list would work. We've got an announcements@ list and
> everyone still cc's announcements to general@.
>
> Perhaps we should just adopt a simple subject line convention, [ADV] for
> adverts, to go with [ANN] for announcements.

Perhaps we could also prefix their messages with [TROLL], [SPAM], [WHINING]
or
[EGO] where appropriate ? :)

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RE: cross-project communications

[Rob Oxspring]

Sorry all, my fault!

Since starting that thread I have been swamped with the day job, and
free time has been somewhat filled trying to keep an eye on ant / lucene
/ commons / general lists...  Stepping back for a moment I notice this
is an argument for getting on with the newsletter rather than putting it
off, so I'll see if I can get the ball rolling properly this time.

There was some interest and a few subprojects submitted something with a
wide variety of styles / content.  If there is still some interest (and
I think these threads have proven the need) then I'll get back on the
case.  I'll put together some sort of 0th issue by the end of the
weekend for release on general@.  Unless anyone else wants to chuck
anything in, I'll start with the stuff I know (ant, commons) and then
use a mail archive to try and find the "busy" threads of a few other
subprojects (I'll probably take the opportunity to dip into lucene, bcel
& poi -dev and then just see what else I find time for). 

Comments / input are welcome, hopefully with lots more after the first
issue!

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 1 May 2002 19:20
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: cross-project communications


One thing that we discusssed back in late December was setting up a
Jakarta newsletter (look for subject "Jakarta Newsletter" in the
archives).

At that time I volunteered to provide an Ant update, as we discussed
having someone from each project provide updates.  For the next month or
so I'm too busy to do anything more than that, but after that I would
volunteer to do more - like roll up the updates from the projects and be
the collector of the news.  If someone wants to get the ball rolling on
that it would be great, and I'll jump in very soon to help out.

In the monthly (seems to be the best frequency to use) newsletter we
could announce new projects, new releases, new committers, and any other
general issues that are of interest to folks keeping tabs on the Jakarta
world.

I apologize for not following up on the newsletter thing before.  Rob?
Geir?  Thoughts?  Did either of you do anything since our original
messages?

Erik

- Original Message -
From: "Santiago Gala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:05 PM
Subject: cross-project communications


> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
> > Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Translation:
> >>>
> >>> Jakarta = jakarta.apache.org
> >>> XML = xml.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> And the reason on XML.apache.org there is no discussion is: 
> >>> everyone seems to be on board with Forrest--which is using 
> >>> Centipede.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah so why can't these work together?  I still just don't get it. 
> >> "Gee we don't like that lets do our own thing or integrate with 
> >> anything but this or that".  It just baffles the crap out of me. If

> >> I had the choice.  I'd use NEITHER.  I choose Centaven WITH GUMP.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fine.  The history is that Forrest was in motion before I even knew 
> > there was such a thing as Maven.  I know the folks involved with 
> > Forrest, and they are top notch people.  The whole purpose of 
> > Forrest is to work with GUMP.  (Notice the synergy: Forrest Gump).
> >
> > Forrest was started and talked about publicly on the general@xml 
> > list before it was even started.  That is something that somewhat 
> > perturbs me about the Turbine projects.  SOmething with Maven's 
> > scope and ability should have been talked about publicly instead of 
> > sneaking up on us.  When we get the message "convert all your 
> > projects...", that would definitely catch alot of people off guard.
> >
> >
> I am interested is most of Jakarta-land, and in most of  xml-land (the
> *instanceof* java part).
>
> I'm wondering if cross-communication lists would be needed. Since 
> there are plenty of communities in Apache, the general lists are too 
> general for me most of the time.
>
> Since the java.apache.org project was frozen a lot of time ago, we 
> could reuse the name to create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, or some

> similar cross-project structure to ease java development 
> communications.
>
> The main points I see are:
>
> - xml is becoming fairly used everywhere, so that most of us are 
> related to it somehow (specially as power-users or plain-users of the 
> java-related tools)
> - a significant part of Jakarta is devoted to project infrastructure 
> (build, test, document, ...)
> - infrastructure thingies springin in xml are being sent outside 
> instead of being developed there.
>
> Java server is a big box to organize things, and XML is potentially 
> even bigger, so I think some organizational thinking should be (is 
> already?) going on. Also, one year and a half without an ApacheCon 
> synchronization points does not help much.
>
> I'm not entering here to pick up flames, just looking for constructive

> solutions.
>
> Regards,
> San

Re: Printable pages

[Rob Oxspring]

- Original Message -
From: "Leo Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: RE: Printable pages


> Berin:
> > > > In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned.
> > > > It makes use of embedded tables and  elements.  It does
> > > > not use CSS at all.
>
> Jon:
> > > Correct.
>
> Me:
> > I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css
> > than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer.
>
> http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad
> (note I tried to put this in CVS but have no karma so...)
>
> Here's a design I've had lying around adapted to Jakarta. Two screen
> shots using IE 5.5, one is normal the other is print preview. I should
> be able to make this work (more or less, at least) in everything
> from NS2.x upwards. HTML also available for browsing.
>
> The main problem is the  sections. If the line is too long to
> fit on screen or page, it causes the entire page to break out, which
> is ugly. The only thing I can think of is to use a css "float: left"
> directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and
> adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions?
>
> Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired...
>
> thoughts? Is this wanted?

Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands
IMHO, just a couple of points though.
I like the "Apache.org > Jakarta > Avalon > Framework: " depth indication -
would be great to see this applied across the board.
I can't decide which way around I like the logos at the top but in this
arrangement the jakarta.gif could do with losing the whitespace to the right
because at the moment it looks all misaligned - especially when squashed in
print (maybe we could use half size versions in print - not thought this
through yet though).
I like the menu on the left being boxed but can't see how its that useful in
print - why not use a @print & "display:none" so that browsers with decent
css /  printing support don't print it at all - this would allow lots more
space for printing, and so less concern about overflowing code.
Colour scheme looks great on screen (quite like the print version for screen
too - but bolder is probably better), but in print my preference is for high
contrast and so I would prefer black rather than grey for the headings - If
its going to come out grey on black and white printers then maybe choose the
blue instead to add a bit more contrast to colour prints.

Just my 2p,

Rob

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>
> - Leo Simons
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[Rob Oxspring]

> -Original Message-
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:25 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter
>
>
> On 12/27/01 7:21 PM, "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:51 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rob,
> >>
> >> It is indeed a great idea. However, the two editors given credit at the
> >> bottom of the url you posted are Sun employee's who get paid
> to do the job
> >> so they don't really count as 'volunteers'.
> >
> > The example given was just through a google search on "newsletter
> > site:netbeans.org" and not much thought was given to the
> contents (although
> > the fact that it mentions Ant is nice).  The point of this is
> that I really
> > hadn't noticed that te editors were sun employees and I
> certainly got the
> > impression that more recent editors have been volunteers in a
> truer sense -
> > perhaps I have been nieve :( .  In the mean time I'll look into the RSS
> > agregator approach and "Reptile" (will investigate in the morning).
> >
> > Otherwise; point taken - doing is a damn site better than
> talking - I guess
> > I may take this over to ant-dev (ie where I may be able to do a
> half decent
> > job) and try it on a smaller scale to see how well it goes down to begin
> > with and expand later...
>
> Don't give up too easily :)
>
> I'll help if you want.  We can co-opt others by simply asking
> them to write
> a short note about what's going on in the various projects.
> Everyone likes
> to write about themselves, and we can just glom the stuff together,
> wordsmith here and there, and then we have a nice little newsletter that
> tells what's going on where

This sounds like a sensible starting point to me - giving a flavour of what
is going on is all I'm really after.

>
> So if you are game for an approach like this, I'll help, and we can get
> started immediately...

Sounds good to me, I'm fairly sure I could come up with something
appropriate for ant-dev and commons-dev but anything on any other list would
be appreciated, and I guess an open letter to the other mailing lists might
get a few projects to "write about themselves".  How often should such a
newsletter go out though? every week seems a bit of a commitment (yeah I
know I'm lazy) maybe monthly would be more approptiate... either way it
seems that not too much has been going on over xmas so I guess that mid to
end of January might be a good target for issue 1.

Anyway, I think i'll get some sleep before getting too carried away...

Rob




>
> Geir
>
> >
> >>
> >> The Jakarta project has plenty of great minds and thus great
> >> ideas. What we
> >> are lacking is great volunteers. Everyone is too busy bitching
> >> about what an
> >> asshole I am.
> >>
> >> So, my suggestion is that if you would like to see this done, you start
> >> working on it yourself...not worrying about how bad an editor you
> >> are...and
> >> just post *something*. That will encourage others to help you edit and
> >> create it (it is hard to complain about something without helping out).
> >> Discussing how things should be done won't get you anywhere.
> >>
> >> This is the same tactic that I used when I created Anakia [1]
> which is now
> >> used to create most of the Jakarta websites as well as
www.apache.org and
>> httpd.apache.org. It isn't the most perfect tool [2], but it does the job
>> well, people adopted it quickly and the bitching about Styleweb (the
>> previous tool) stopped.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> -jon

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RE: Jakarta Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter
>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> It is indeed a great idea. However, the two editors given credit at the
> bottom of the url you posted are Sun employee's who get paid to do the job
> so they don't really count as 'volunteers'.

The example given was just through a google search on "newsletter
site:netbeans.org" and not much thought was given to the contents (although
the fact that it mentions Ant is nice).  The point of this is that I really
hadn't noticed that te editors were sun employees and I certainly got the
impression that more recent editors have been volunteers in a truer sense -
perhaps I have been nieve :( .  In the mean time I'll look into the RSS
agregator approach and "Reptile" (will investigate in the morning).

Otherwise; point taken - doing is a damn site better than talking - I guess
I may take this over to ant-dev (ie where I may be able to do a half decent
job) and try it on a smaller scale to see how well it goes down to begin
with and expand later...

>
> The Jakarta project has plenty of great minds and thus great
> ideas. What we
> are lacking is great volunteers. Everyone is too busy bitching
> about what an
> asshole I am.
>
> So, my suggestion is that if you would like to see this done, you start
> working on it yourself...not worrying about how bad an editor you
> are...and
> just post *something*. That will encourage others to help you edit and
> create it (it is hard to complain about something without helping out).
> Discussing how things should be done won't get you anywhere.
>
> This is the same tactic that I used when I created Anakia [1] which is now
> used to create most of the Jakarta websites as well as www.apache.org and
> httpd.apache.org. It isn't the most perfect tool [2], but it does the job
> well, people adopted it quickly and the bitching about Styleweb (the
> previous tool) stopped.
>
> thanks!
>
> -jon
>
> [1] http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/anakia.html
> [2] http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/dvsl/
>
> --
> Standard rules apply: Ask any questions, and you get the job. ;-)
>
>
> on 12/27/01 12:32 PM, "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Apologies if this has been brought up before, but I was wondering if the
> > idea of a jakarta newsletter been discussed? As an interested user of
> > NetBeans I find their weekly newsletter
> > (http://www.netbeans.org/newsletter/2001-09-03.html) extremely
> interesting
> > and helpful as I don't have the time to monitor all of the
> separate mailing
> > lists.
> >
> > The same is certainly true at jakarta, and while I've watched and
> > occasionally taken part in discussions on ant-dev for over a year, it is
> > difficult to find time to monitor all threads in the one list
> let alone keep
> > abreast of whats going on in commons, avalon, struts, tomcat
> etc.  I'm not
> > sure of the best place to send such a letter - some
> news@jakarta springs to
> > mind - but a copy on the website would also be good and the
> first issue or
> > two should probably go to all lists to grab some attention +
> volunteers.  It
> > would require volunteer editors (rotating after some fixed period) and
> > presumably an editors address/list to suggest interesting
> threads to, since
> > I doubt anybody has the time to monitor all of the lists themselves.
> > Alternatively maybe a nominated (and rotating) editor per project could
> > suggest the most interesting threads each week tobe compiled
> into a single
> > letter.
> >
> > I realise that I'm probably making a rod for my own back
> suggesting this and
> > as such am happy to help in the setting up of the letter but by
> profession
> > I'm a software engineer not a journalist so would want to get others
> > interested from an early stage...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Rob
>
>
>
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Jakarta Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

Apologies if this has been brought up before, but I was wondering if the
idea of a jakarta newsletter been discussed? As an interested user of
NetBeans I find their weekly newsletter
(http://www.netbeans.org/newsletter/2001-09-03.html) extremely interesting
and helpful as I don't have the time to monitor all of the separate mailing
lists.

The same is certainly true at jakarta, and while I've watched and
occasionally taken part in discussions on ant-dev for over a year, it is
difficult to find time to monitor all threads in the one list let alone keep
abreast of whats going on in commons, avalon, struts, tomcat etc.  I'm not
sure of the best place to send such a letter - some news@jakarta springs to
mind - but a copy on the website would also be good and the first issue or
two should probably go to all lists to grab some attention + volunteers.  It
would require volunteer editors (rotating after some fixed period) and
presumably an editors address/list to suggest interesting threads to, since
I doubt anybody has the time to monitor all of the lists themselves.
Alternatively maybe a nominated (and rotating) editor per project could
suggest the most interesting threads each week tobe compiled into a single
letter.

I realise that I'm probably making a rod for my own back suggesting this and
as such am happy to help in the setting up of the letter but by profession
I'm a software engineer not a journalist so would want to get others
interested from an early stage...

Any thoughts?

Rob


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