Re: jakarta-future Was: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-07 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Costin Manolache wrote: Or even better - since jakarta has a single PMC, it could also have a single list of committers ( most of them in the single PMC ). Each PMC member can vote about any jakarta issue - including releases of each sub-project, etc. If

Re: [website][patch] Add instructions for setting up mail to newbie.xml

2003-12-13 Thread Phil Steitz
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hi, Phil and all. Did you make it? If you failed, I think i can apply the patch for it (I am *not* subscribing to infrastructure@, now). I did make the patch and posted it in an email to infrastructure@ on 11/23. It has not been applied. I am attaching the patch to

Re: [website][patch] Add instructions for setting up mail to newbie.xml

2003-12-13 Thread Phil Steitz
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:06:34 -0700 Phil Steitz wrote: I did make the patch and posted it in an email to infrastructure@ on 11/23. It has not been applied. Darn! I referenced the wrong post. I got some feedback and incorporated that in a revised patch submitted 11/26

Re: [PROPOSAL] Agreeing new voting rules for Jakarta

2003-12-13 Thread Phil Steitz
Robert Leland wrote: Phil Steitz wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: It seems odd to me that code changes effectively require consensus, but a release would not. What am I missing here? All code in CVS is already there on consensus. As are the bugs ;-) Seriously, this seems like sort of a grey

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: Not really (my POV) As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject. But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe Bloggs works'.

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Phil Steitz
Ted Husted wrote: (Again, sorry about the quoting.) o·ver·sight 1. An unintentional omission or mistake. 2. Watchful care or management; supervision http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=oversight The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :) For a PMC this boils down

Re: [License] for jars in CVS

2003-12-26 Thread Phil Steitz
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: I am with Erik on no JARs in CVS. Unless it is a legal issue, I would certainly like to distribute all JARs with the distribution. It saves a lot of hassle and keeps uncessary traffic out of the user-list. At the expense of lots of wasted bandwidth and disk space. I

Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Phil Steitz
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: All Jakarta Community Members : Howard M. Lewis Ship, on behalf of the committers of the HiveMind project in the Jakarta Commons sandbox, has proposed HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project. The proposal was sent to this list, a copy of which can be found here :

Re: [VOTE] Updating PMC bylaws

2004-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 Phil Suggested new bylaws are at: http://www.osjava.org/~hen/jakarta/management.html The aim is to identify the current reality, rather than plan out a new set of bylaws. I believe I've responded to the past week of comments, sometimes by dropping things from the text as they require

Re: jakarta commons net build failed

2004-09-25 Thread Phil Steitz
Ant cannot find the junit jar that it needs, despite the fact that it is grabbing it as a dependency :-( Look in $ANT_HOME/lib and make sure that both junit.jar and optional.jar are there, since that is where ant will look for them. You can copy the downloaded junit jar from target/lib if you

Re: [vote] moving jakarta-site2 to subversion

2004-12-18 Thread Phil Steitz
I am +1 for this move and the plan. One thing that folks should be warned of, however, is that changing the directory structure will break site builds that depend on paths like ../jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets, so these will have to changed when these projects nove. I don't know how many

Re: Jakarta download pages Was: download pages in j.a.o.

2004-12-28 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Martin Cooper wrote: I think, if we had a standard template for download pages, each subproject could have its own download page, something like we have for Struts: http://struts.apache.org/download.cgi Agreed, much nicer than the closer.cgi. I'd prefer

Re: Jakarta download pages Was: download pages in j.a.o.

2004-12-29 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Phil Steitz wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Martin Cooper wrote: I think, if we had a standard template for download pages, each subproject could have its own download page, something like we have for Struts: http://struts.apache.org

RE: [site] Label for promoted Jakarta project

2005-01-12 Thread Phil Steitz
Hate to push us around in a circle, but what exactly was so bad about Related? Phil -Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 1:59 PM To: Jakarta General List Cc: Subject: Re: [site] Label

Re: [VOTE] [site] New download pages

2005-02-17 Thread Phil Steitz
Thank you, Hen! Henri Yandell wrote: I'd like to go ahead and move to my suggested new download pages: http://jakarta.apache.org/~bayard/jakarta/site/downloads/downloads.html [X] +1 [ ] -1 or alternatively: [ ] +1, but fix this first: [ ] Currently the filenames match the names on the

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-19 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: snip/ You've pointed out that JBoss are the contributor in your commits, rather than yourself as an individual. I assume other JBoss employees are in the same situation. How does that change the email? Do I need to drop the paragraph about JBoss not being a contributor I

[site] Re: Verifying Downloads

2005-05-01 Thread Phil Steitz
Robert Voelkerding wrote: Please direct me to an explanation of how to use MDE and/or PGP keys to verify downloads. Thank you. Robert, The basic instructions are, e.g., here: http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi#verify Make sure to download the KEYS file from the main apache distribution

Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications

2005-06-22 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: there have been a number of long running threads in the commons discussing the possibility of commons components for use in web applications. the consensus emerged that it would be best if a new subproject with a structure similar to the

Re: sandbox [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-23 Thread Phil Steitz
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: In reading through this all, I have a concern that it will be difficult for any outside code to come in. Indeed it has proven difficult for many people I have spoken to to get code into any Commons project (although I myself had some things accepted, so clearly it is

Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-23 Thread Phil Steitz
, that could conflict with that idea. I'm not sure. Frank robert burrell donkin wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: snip Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such a thing ;-) this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i

Re: configuration files [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-25 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: 9 or somewhere else should speak to J2EE or other external config requirments, which should be fine, even encouraged in some cases is 9 needed? are any configuration guidelines

Re: Name for commons-like area for web

2005-06-25 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: There doesn't seem to be a thread for this The current suggestions are: Commons Web Jakarta Web Parts for Java (JWP4J) Web App Commons Web App Components Web App Modules Web Bricks Web Commons Web Components Web Libs Web Parts Web Tools Weblets Of

Re: new components [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-07-02 Thread Phil Steitz
Martin Cooper wrote: On 6/23/05, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: snip Interpreted literally, 17 goes against standard practice in jakarta (or apache, to my knowledge, other than in the incubator). I would recommend

Re: [POLL] drop 8

2005-07-03 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 to drop this Phil robert burrell donkin wrote: 8. Packages are encouraged to either use JavaBeans as core objects, a JavaBean-style API, or to provide an optional JavaBean wrapper. doesn't seem very relevant. i think that it'd be simpler just to drop it. here's my +1 - robert

Re: new components [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-07-03 Thread Phil Steitz
robert burrell donkin wrote: snip/ Agreed. After a little more discussion, we should rewrite this. +1 anyone feel like jumping volunteering to come up with a draft? Working on this now... Phil - To unsubscribe,

Re: new components

2005-07-03 Thread Phil Steitz
Here is a stab at replacement text for 15, 17 and 18. 15-1 Any member of the community may propose a new package. To be accepted, a package proposal must receive majority approval of the subproject committers and at least one committer must volunteer to serve as an initial package team member.

Re: new components

2005-07-05 Thread Phil Steitz
robert burrell donkin wrote: there doesn't see any enthusiasm for those new ideas and no objections to phil's draft. i think we should go ahead and make the changes suggested by phil. I went ahead and updated, making some small changes to (hopefully) address the points above. I marked the

Re: svn commit: r224411 snip/

2005-07-25 Thread Phil Steitz
Rahul Akolkar wrote: P.S.-What list do I subscribe to in order to receive the jakarta site svn commit messages? site-cvs@jakarta.apache.org Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-09 Thread Phil Steitz
Brett Porter wrote: On 8/10/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Promoting Commons Sandbox to SLP as 'Jakarta Sandbox'. + All Jakarta committers given access, central management of the sandbox + concepts as opposed to individual SLP sandboxes (Taglibs, Commons, + Turbine probably has

Re: Multidoc-jnr - opinions?

2005-08-20 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: Prototype of what I want to do javadoc-wise for Jakarta :) http://dist.osjava.org/releases/multidoc-jnr/ (click on something as long as it's not Payload 0.3 or 0.4; seems my distributions are lacking javadoc there). Any opinions? I like the idea of doing this and

Re: Multidoc-jnr - opinions?

2005-08-24 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Hi, I toyed with similar ideas for a long time (I even had once an intern whip something up), however, there are a number of drawbacks: - different versions. The osjava variant tries to get this right by allowing the

Re: Multidoc-jnr - opinions?

2005-08-24 Thread Phil Steitz
Sorry, should be http://people.apache.org/~psteitz/apidocs/maven.xml -Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Annoucement] Commons Math 1.1 Released

2005-12-21 Thread Phil Steitz
The Jakarta Commons Math team is pleased to announce the release of Commons Math 1.1. Commons Math is a library of lightweight, self-contained mathematics and statistics components. For more information, see the Commons Math web site: http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/math/. The new release

Re: [site] Missing source files

2005-12-23 Thread Phil Steitz
Yes, and (thanks to Rahul), Step 12 of the commons release instructions http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases/release.html has been updated to reflect the change. One more note that I am about to add is that the Ant build now used to gen the Jakarta site requires JDK 1.5, so make sure that

Re: Starting a java specs project (fwd)

2005-12-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: An FYI. Please kick me if I'm going too far with these ideas; I get the feeling I have a general +0, but hard to tell sometimes. See interspersed. I am not quite to the + point yet, but probably either just missing some concepts / principles or interested in

jakarta future WAS: Re: Starting a java specs project (fwd)

2005-12-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: snip/ It would be great if we could get a consensus on what an umbrella is and An umbrella is a joining of disjoint communities under a common TLP. A non-umbrella is one in which the whole project is a part of the same community. Nice definition. Thanks. snip/

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-11 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: As a second email in the Notice of intent series; here's what I think being a Jakarta component will be like in the future. * Jakarta is a collection of components. Hopefully all sitting at the same level. ie) a big bag of things. How are you defining component?

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components

2006-03-07 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: Roland Weber wrote: Hello, other 1-word suggestions would be great. since they're language components, you can call them Syllables :-) I understand the desire for 'fancy' names, but it misses the point unfortunately. This is merely a grouping a several *Jakarta*

Re: Other Jakarta Components

2006-03-07 Thread Phil Steitz
Thomas Dudziak wrote: On 3/7/06, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: Could you elaborate a bit on what the physical / visual-to-users differences to the current commons, well, Jakarta sub-project will be ? Will this be a new Jakarta sub-project (and the

Re: Other Jakarta Components

2006-03-12 Thread Phil Steitz
Martin Cooper wrote: snip/ I think this whole thing is putting the cart before the horse. You're in the process of destroying Commons, not just dismantling it, and for no good reason that I can see. The people involved with Digester should be the ones to initiate a discussion about whether or

Re: testing.apache.org

2006-06-08 Thread Phil Steitz
Rahul Akolkar wrote: On 6/6/06, Felipe Leme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ So, answering your question, yes, the project is supposed to support libraries from another languages. In fact, the existence of such libraries is an argument for the TLP creation; besides the existing Cactus and

Re: testing.apache.org, take 2

2006-06-20 Thread Phil Steitz
Rahul Akolkar wrote: On 6/16/06, Felipe Leme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ I think these statements are a good start for the next meeting's proposal - could someone write an wiki entry for it (or even update the current resolution)? I'm traveling until Sunday and my internet connection is

Re: testing.apache.org, take 2

2006-06-23 Thread Phil Steitz
Rahul Akolkar wrote: On 6/20/06, Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Akolkar wrote: On 6/16/06, Felipe Leme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ I think these statements are a good start for the next meeting's proposal - could someone write an wiki entry for it (or even update

RE: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Phil Steitz
discussed and agreed and I just missed it. Phil From: Dennis Lundberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/11/2006 9:36 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml Phil Steitz wrote: Henri Yandell wrote

Re: Jakarta BOF @ apachecon USA

2006-08-26 Thread Phil Steitz
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: I'll join you and muse about the state of Jakarta. Should be fun. :-) Good idea. Assuming I make it to the conference, I will be there. Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Phil Steitz wrote: Thanks, Dennis. That helps and I agree with your arguments for inheritence in genera;. But why a Jakarta parent? I'll leave that one for Henri to answer. Do I look like I know what I'm doing

Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-27 Thread Phil Steitz
Dennis Lundberg wrote: Phil Steitz wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Phil Steitz wrote: Thanks, Dennis. That helps and I agree with your arguments for inheritence in genera;. But why a Jakarta parent? I'll leave that one for Henri to answer. Do I

Re: Nightly builds docu?

2007-01-16 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote: On 1/16/07, Ortwin Glück [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone (Henry?) know what happened to http://www.apache.org/dev/nightly-builds.html ? It's referenced from http://www.apache.org/dev/ at the very bottom of the page. I'm looking for information how to get

Re: [VOTE] Petar Tahchiev as Jakarta Committer

2007-03-25 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 Phil Felipe Leme wrote: Hi all, I'd like to call a vote to have Petar Tahchiev as a Jakarta Committer. Petar currently works as software engineer in Bulgaria, but was a MSc student last year, when we proposed porting the Cactus build to Maven 2 as a GSOC (Google Summer of Code) project.

RE: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-08 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 Phil Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect. However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP. http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added your name yet. [

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: This seems a little overplanned in my mind ;) Allow a little more evolution. - Commons goes TLP. - Rules for Commons TLP become clear (one mailing list, one PMC, anyone commits in any component, anyone votes/reviews any release, comfortable social group) - Then

Re: [VOTE] JMeter 2.3.2RC3

2008-05-31 Thread Phil Steitz
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/05/2008, sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/05/2008, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MD5, PGP good. It's a bit odd that the binary version comes chock full of jars and the source version doesn't.

Re: [VOTE] JMeter 2.3.2RC6

2008-05-31 Thread Phil Steitz
sebb wrote: Trying again ... The licence issues reported by Henri have (I trust) been fixed. To rebuild or test JMeter, you need to unpack both the binary and source archives in the same directory structure. This is because the library files are not duplicated in the source archive. I

Re: Release BSF 3.1 (based on RC3)

2010-06-19 Thread Phil Steitz
sebb wrote: [Third time lucky?] Please review and vote on the BSF 3.1 release. The artifacts are available at: http://people.apache.org/~sebb/bsf-3.1-RC3/ The Maven artifacts are at: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachebsf-004/ The SVN tag is at:

Re: Release BSF 3.1 (based on RC3)

2010-06-21 Thread Phil Steitz
sebb wrote: On 19/06/2010, Phil Steitz p...@steitz.com wrote: sebb wrote: [Third time lucky?] Please review and vote on the BSF 3.1 release. The artifacts are available at: http://people.apache.org/~sebb/bsf-3.1-RC3/ The Maven artifacts are at: https

Re: [VOTE] Move Jakarta to the Attic; close down Jakarta PMC

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Steitz
Is there anything left actually to put in the attic? Maybe just disband the PMC? Phil On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Henri Yandell bay...@apache.org wrote: A joint vote to retire Jakarta into the Attic and to ask the board to close down the PMC. [ ] +1 [ ] -1, because Hen