What if Java was GNU http://www.kaffe.org ?
Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the
antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy?
Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes
Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to
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I don't really want or need to see Microsoft's code. What I
would like to see is their file formats
Excel open with 4 (yes
four) workbooks at one time...
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Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice?
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change.
-Brian
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I think this thread has lost its way :-)
Conor
you are right!
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice?
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change.
-Brian
so ppl,
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
workstation at work than OpenOffice. Hopefully this will change.
-Brian
so ppl, why don't you report bugs so they can make it stable?!!!
Before you lecture, go look at the OpenOffice sources. It is amazing that
the thing
Amen, Brother. Kill this thread!
At 01:50 AM 12/14/2002 +1100, you wrote:
Brian McCallister wrote:
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 09:18, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Because its more stable and runs faster under Linux than Star/OpenOffice?
Sadly, MS Word under CrossOver Office is more stable on my Linux
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the
antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy?
Try forking the Java
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :)
Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the
antithesis of Open Source, and
Sun is exactly what Microsoft would be if it were short a few billion
dollars. To think otherwise is to
significantly deceive ones self.
-Andy
Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote:
support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our
To suggest that Sun [t]here's nothing 'open' about Sun is not very
insightful. Compare them to Microsoft, for example. You need to speak in
ways that at least pass the laugh test. Sun deserves one hell of a lot of
credit.
At 02:44 AM 12/14/2002 +, you wrote:
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff
Heck yeah! First task Get a copy of NANT that does more than crap
itself under mono... Very very annoying...
The POIFS port is fairly senseless (for anyone who is apt to point this
out) on Windows as you could obviously use the MFC apis to get at it,
however, I doubt these will ever
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12/10/02 08:26 AM
Did you guys see in the news that Office 11 will have standard compliant XML
schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD
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Did you guys see in the news that Office 11 will have
standard compliant XML schemas for Word and Excel files??? --DD
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java if what they see is the same as what they do :)
Scott
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Yeah... Maybe they can make it not crash for reasonable
sized files...
That
would be compliant..
-Andy
Scott Sanders wrote:
Just like the news had Office 10, 9, 8, and 7 will all these XML
compliance features?
Office 11
I particularly liked what this judge had to say:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34tmpl=fcin=Techcat=Microsoft_Antitrus
t_Trial
-Scott-
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That they can use such a strategy at all is enough
Thats cool,
Makes the judge look like the kind of guy who only understands life by analogy with
sport though.
I suppose American judges aren't any less insane than ours then. ;-)
d.
I particularly liked what this judge had to say:
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That is funny James. I really wonder if Aaron can truly believe we
are so
dim-witted
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is Redhat Linux Professional Server any different
from what you can download for free. If so how can they get away
with that?
Funnily enough this is the second time I've been asked this in a month, and what I
reckon is...
It comes complete ready to install with tested kernel patches and
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Micael,
I am sorry that you think of yourself as one to be believed as
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you have some issues you would like to talk about?. Isn't it ironic how
everyone continues bash MicroSoft because they
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Hi Aaron,
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Geir,
I appreciate the intelligent response. I have a
question though, what
happens when you pour your heart and soul into building a
product, and make
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I'd also like to see all that provided royalty free and unencumbered by
patents, submarine or otherwise. I haven't really flirted with the whole
C#/.NET thing but this seems to remain a question mark over Mono and even
the ECMA standardization.
C# is just another language, without .NET and
The first boot from a heroin dealer is always free. 8^)
Chuck
i take care :D
also, if the community decided to make things in C# then you should give
Python, Eifel, COBOL, FORTRAN, ASSEMBLY, and any programming language
a try, and compile all programs into these languages too, heh we have
Avalon has already ported some of their framework code to C# I believe.
It is in CVS.
- Dan
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Thanks Andy for the links. The Question I have for everybody here is
does anyone have any interest in Porting any of the other jakarta
projects to C# so that they may be able to
From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'(
From someone using a msn.com email account...
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i disagree. C# is just a language, it is != .net. there are many pieces to the .net
puzzle that
you can be sure microsoft will never release to open source or a true standards body.
If Apache
commits to C#, it would do nothing but lend credibility to Micro$oft and .net in the
eyes of
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From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'(
From someone using a msn.com email
From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project
:'(
From someone using a msn.com email account...
-Vladimir
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
There are other free email accounts (like yahoo! - running on FreeBSD)
Don't you think that there is a correlation between the number of
msn.com users and how much M$ charges for ads on its msn.com website,
and reselling your address so that
Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to
agree... And since
now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-)
Me too, I may have to learn c# anyway to continue doing stuff for a client of mine who
is abandoning OS in favour of M$*.
Plus I'd be happy to help OS C#
At 04:31 PM 12/6/2002 +, you wrote:
Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to
agree... And since
now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-)
Me too. Not much else to do to protect oneself actually. I don't buy into
all the talk that Sun is being stupid,
M$ clearly has financial motives. What they are should be clarified.
At 08:16 AM 12/6/2002 -0800, you wrote:
it is for free Mr.Colombo Holmez :)
why not?!! ;)
There are other free email accounts (like yahoo! - running on FreeBSD)
Don't you think that there is a correlation between the number
M$ clearly has financial motives. What they are should be clarified.
You are saying that as if Sun does not. Any business will ALWAYS have
financial motives, and Sun is near the top of the list, along with M$.
Scott
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M$ clearly has financial motives. What they are should be clarified.
You are saying that as if Sun does not. Any business will ALWAYS have
financial motives, and Sun is near the top of the list, along with M$.
Scott
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: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Sun Is Losing Its Way
M$ clearly has financial motives. What they are should be clarified.
You are saying that as if Sun does not. Any business will ALWAYS have
financial motives, and Sun is near the top of the list, along with M$.
Scott
Ive been reading this thread and I think it is a bit humorous that some
people think that companies that use the open source groupies to generate
thier income are not just as minipulative as the proprietary ones.
clip.
M$ is not looking out for me, that I am sure about.
clip.
neither is Sun, nor
: Sun Is Losing Its Way
Ive been reading this thread and I think it is a bit humorous
that some people think that companies that use the open
source groupies to generate thier income are not just as
minipulative as the proprietary ones. clip. M$ is not
looking out for me, that I am sure
Jakarta is I think Java.
But Apache is C.
It would be nice to have a subproject on Apache that is C#. Not sure how
PMC would like it. Honestly, mavnet.sf.net, and Mono could be good for
Java. And it more clients go M$ away from $un, at least there is some
cool software. CLR runs on BSD and
In true Apache fashion please consider this patch.. ;-)
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the number 1 selling OS
In case anyone hasn't seen this yet, I've attached the source code to
Windows 2000.
cvs -z9 diff -u win2000.h
Index: win2000.h
code to
Windows 2000.
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Ive been reading this thread and I think it is a bit humorous
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:57 AM, mohammad nabil wrote:
From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source
project :'(
From someone using a msn.com email account...
Thanks Andy for the links. The Question I have for everybody here is
does anyone have any interest in Porting any of the other jakarta
projects to C# so that they may be able to run on Mono/Linux/windows
.Net/Micorsoft ? I have been experimenting with Mono/MCS Microsoft/CSC
for a few
if you used any Micro$oft products.
when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'(
best regards,
Mohammad Nabil
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The Question I have for everybody here is does anyone have any interest in
Porting any of the other jakarta projects to C# so that they may be able to
run on Mono/Linux/windows .Net/Micorsoft ?
what this sppose to mean
ppl, why want you to support
On 6/12/02 1:00 James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Question I have for everybody here is does anyone have any interest in
Porting any of the other jakarta projects to C# so that they may be able to
run on Mono/Linux/windows .Net/Micorsoft ?
what this sppose to
Thanks Jon. Here's the link.
http://www.sys-con.com/java/article.cfm?id=1714
Its an okay article. Could be a bit more in-depth I suppose, but I
imagine all the people
who could write that are under gag order.
And if you're really depressed... Here's a quick how to for doing
C#/Mono by
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