On 6/28/05, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the current suggestion in the GLEP is the best we can
achieve. Old moderators may take the quiz, new moderators must. Given
enough time all old moderators may retire sooner or later and one day
all active moderators will be
You want to become official.
We are official. It's not just the way things should be.
In that regard, you do not get to take care of your own things anymore.
We will still recruit new mods/admins and take care of them. We will still
moderate and administering the board and the software. We
Haas Wernfried wrote:
There is no way to force it on them and firing them is not an option.
Why not?
You're not serious, are you?
These people have dedicated a lot of work to the forums and
Gentoo. They are doing a great job. Why fire them?
Noone wants to fire them. They want to join the
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:39:52AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You want to become official.
We are official. It's not just the way things should be.
Well... you want to become staff.
In that regard, you do not get to take care of your own things anymore.
We will still recruit new
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:09:41 +0200
Haas Wernfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
With reference to the recent thread about this GLEP's draft [1]
we're resurrecting the discussion and would like keep you updated
on the latest changes:
1) The term developer has been dropped and replaced by
On 6/28/05, Fernando J. Pereda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In that regard, you do not get to take care of your own things anymore.
We will still recruit new mods/admins and take care of them. We will still
moderate and administering the board and the software. We will still vote
on new
Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
And some of us were already doing stuff for Gentoo much before the
quizes became mandatory, so it would be fair that all of us that were
mods/admins before that date would be treated *that* way.
Is it really so annoying to do one simple quiz?
Cheers,
-jkt
--
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On 6/28/05, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some of us were already doing stuff for Gentoo much before the
quizes became mandatory, so it would be fair that all of us that were
mods/admins before that date would be treated *that* way.
Is it really so annoying to do one simple
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:53:17AM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Nope; if you become staff then devrel/recruiters will be involved. You
are no exception to the rule.
Incorrect. As devrel already stated, this won't change ever. We will
be always the ones to do this.
I still don't see
Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some of us were already doing stuff for Gentoo much before the
quizes became mandatory, so it would be fair that all of us that were
mods/admins before that date would be treated *that* way.
Is it really so annoying
On 6/28/05, Fernando J. Pereda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:53:17AM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Nope; if you become staff then devrel/recruiters will be involved. You
are no exception to the rule.
Incorrect. As devrel already stated, this won't change ever. We
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:19:34PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
I still don't see *WHY* you should be different from us. If you want to
manage your recruits then they can't be gentoo staff.
One reason could be that we are _not_ going to be called developers but staff.
Can anybody
Currently I'd be interested if there are any solid numbers how many
global moderators/admins want/don't want to get staff status?
Let's see, all admins and global mods are in the Global Moderators group.
To the best of my knowledge the staus is the following.
Nitro: Not necessary, [1]
amne:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:28:20PM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:19:34PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
I still don't see *WHY* you should be different from us. If you want to
manage your recruits then they can't be gentoo staff.
One reason could be that
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On 06/28/2005 04:05 PM, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Well, you better discuss that with your fellow developers. It was they
who didn't want us to become developers and gave us the title of staff
instead.
The only difference I see b/w Staff and
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 12:37, Anders Hellgren wrote:
Let's see, all admins and global mods are in the Global Moderators group.
To the best of my knowledge the staus is the following.
If those are all, then the problem doesn't seems to exists.
Most of them already took it, the others will take
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK they still plan to go through devrel, just add a forums person to
the recruiters team so existing recruiters aren't flooded with new staff
all of a sudden
And we already have a candidate I presume :)
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On 6/28/05, Shyam Mani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only difference I see b/w Staff and Developers is that you might
not have access to CVS. You'll have an email ID and an account on
dev.g.o, just like the rest of us (I'm assuming here). So what/where is
the big deal about it?
Maybe just that
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 12:48, Jon Portnoy wrote:
AFAIK they still plan to go through devrel, just add a forums person to
the recruiters team so existing recruiters aren't flooded with new staff
all of a sudden
This is fair and right enough. But to do that, I'm still thinking (like
others)
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developers have CVS access; take the ebuild quiz and you're a developer,
take the staff quiz (the eight-question quiz some mods apparently don't
like for whatever bizarre reason...) and you're staff
Does that mean that we could take the ebuild
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On 06/28/2005 04:27 PM, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Does it really matter you if we are called developers instead of staff?
*I* don't have an issue with that. I care more about what I'm able to do
for the community rather than bother with what I'm
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:48:51AM -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:28:20PM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:19:34PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
I still don't see *WHY* you should be different from us. If you want to
manage your
Anders Hellgren wrote:
BonezTheGoon: Don't know, inactive
phong: Don't know, inactive
pilla: Reluctant, but hasn't said he would refuse.
[snip the ones who will take it or where it's not necessary]
We're talking about 3 people in the worst case. I don't know how long
they have been inactive,
Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Maybe just that Developer sounds prettier than Staff. The rest is
exactly as you stated. Now let me ask developers this:
Does it really matter you if we are called developers instead of staff?
No, why should anybody bother?
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Simon Stelling
Gentoo/AMD64
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 01:01:57PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developers have CVS access; take the ebuild quiz and you're a developer,
take the staff quiz (the eight-question quiz some mods apparently don't
like for whatever bizarre
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On 06/28/2005 04:31 PM, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developers have CVS access; take the ebuild quiz and you're a developer,
take the staff quiz (the eight-question quiz some mods apparently don't
like
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 01:00:21PM +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 12:48, Jon Portnoy wrote:
AFAIK they still plan to go through devrel, just add a forums person to
the recruiters team so existing recruiters aren't flooded with new staff
all of a sudden
This
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Shyam Mani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only difference I see b/w Staff and Developers is that you might
not have access to CVS. You'll have an email ID and an account on
dev.g.o, just like the rest of us (I'm
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 01:01:57PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Developers have CVS access; take the ebuild quiz and you're a developer,
take the staff quiz (the eight-question quiz some mods apparently don't
like for whatever bizarre
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 13:19, Jon Portnoy wrote:
Why does it matter? Should this policy also apply to 'unofficial' bug
wranglers who did not take the staff quiz, or is Bugzilla not an
official part of Gentoo?
They have limited privileges, they shouldn't touch out of their competence, so
they
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 12:37, Anders Hellgren wrote:
Let's see, all admins and global mods are in the Global Moderators group.
To the best of my knowledge the staus is the following.
If those are all, then the problem doesn't seems to
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:21:12AM -0800, Allen Parker wrote:
On 6/28/05, Ioannis Aslanidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Sorry for that, just tried to keep the discussion alive. I assume all
snip
It's alive enough without your constant/irrelevant bitching. You're a
forum moderator which
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I was poked about this. OK, looks like many developers didn't like
what I've post in here plus I was somewhat recriminated.
*
My most sincere excuses if I trolled or annoyed anyone. It was not
intentional.
*
About From: Allen Parker [EMAIL
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 13:29, Anders Hellgren wrote:
Most of them already took it
...or are pre quiz staff.
Ok I was intending both of the cases but that's more clear.
Again, noone's ever intended that anyone should become official Gentoo
staff without taking the staff quiz.
Now, some
On 6/28/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:21:12AM -0800, Allen Parker wrote:
I think before posting you should perhaps take a step back and think:
Am I making myself look like a bigger asshat than the other guy?
I knew I was making myself look like an asshat
If this is a development list, why exactly are we having discussion
about the forums in the first place?
The author of the GLEP is then responsible for posting the GLEP to the
gentoo-dev mailing list and to the Gentoo Linux forums [7], and marshaling
community support for it.
On 6/28/05, Allen Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please try to refrain from posting any more stupid flames to what is
supposed to be a productive development list. This is not USENET.
If this is a development list, why exactly are we having discussion
about the forums in the first place?
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 13:29, Anders Hellgren wrote:
Now, some people seem to have a
problem with someone being global moderator or admin without being
official staff.
No that's not the issue. The issue is that if you want that global
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 08:44 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
About the language: all global mods do speak (write) English fluently.
That is too obvious. Global Mods and Admins can take the quiz in
English with no problem. The problem comes with our fellow
International Forum Mods, who do not
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 11:53 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
And some of us were already doing stuff for Gentoo much before the
quizes became mandatory, so it would be fair that all of us that were
mods/admins before that date would be treated *that* way.
You were never staff before.
I
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 12:04 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Is it really so annoying to do one simple quiz?
I do not care of doing it. But I feel it's my duty to defend the
interests of all the moderation team. And no, it's _not_ annoying to
*do* the quiz, the annoying thing is to force
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 12:19 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
I still don't see *WHY* you should be different from us. If you want to
manage your recruits then they can't be gentoo staff.
One reason could be that we are _not_ going to be called developers but staff.
Like our infrastructure
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 12:57 +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
Maybe just that Developer sounds prettier than Staff. The rest is
exactly as you stated. Now let me ask developers this:
Does it really matter you if we are called developers instead of staff?
Honestly, we call everyone with an
On 6/28/05, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Erm... either your emails came late or you didn't read my last email.
The horse is dead, stop beating it.
Ioannis wrote:
*
My most sincere excuses if I trolled or annoyed anyone. It was not
intentional.
*
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Luca Barbato wrote:
Chris Frederick wrote:
I'd be happy to help test. Is there any testing methodology that I
should follow? Or any specific application I should test, or xorg
config settings I should try?
Just unmask and emerge the .13.4 driver as usual and use it as a
standard
Hey all,
Was just going to inform you all of some downtime going to happen
tonight around 0900UTC. The facility at the Open Source Labs is needing
to do some UPS upgrades on all the rackmounted servers they host. This
means the power will need to be off (which will include the switches for
the
Hi all,
All forum moderators and admins try to make the forum clean and after
that they try to help the best they can, as all other users. So the
moderators/admins do not need to know how Gentoo itself works
internally, they just need to be mature and responsible.
Now I agree that regular users
On 28/06/05, Ricardo Loureiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, I truly doubt that any moderator would refuse to be considered
a Gentoo staff or anything gentoo related, otherwise why choose to
give their free time to the forums?
Would the likes of [1] be considered acceptable from a Gentoo staff
Hi again,
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:47:42 +0100
twofourtysix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 28/06/05, Ricardo Loureiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, I truly doubt that any moderator would refuse to be
considered a Gentoo staff or anything gentoo related, otherwise
why choose to give their free
First, that thread is old.
Second, the issue was addressed.
Third, personal opinions on anything do not have anything to do with
this. Freedom of speech has always been guaranteed on the forums as
far as there are no personal agressions. What brings me to the point
that your statement falls really
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:34:35AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Honestly, we call everyone with an @gentoo.org address a developer,
whether they are a developer (CVS access) or not.
There have been heavy objections against that when we presented the
first draft of the glep using the term
Hi,
After the discussion today about the forums GLEP [1], we've made some
changes:
All the current global moderators and admins who aren't already
developers/staff will take the staff quiz.
Old moderators (those with Bodhisattva status) will be considered in the
same way that retired devs are
When will this end?
DON'T KEYWORD STUFF YOU DON'T TEST ON ARCHES, SPECIALLY STUFF THAT WON'T
WORK UNTIL PORTING IS DONE.
I mean, c'mon, it's easy enough... just go to that little Mono page
(http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page) and check the arch status...
it's not hard... just a simple link.
On Tue, 2005-28-06 at 07:20 -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Shyam Mani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only difference I see b/w Staff and Developers is that you might
not have access to CVS. You'll have an email ID and
Olivier Crete wrote:
Yes. You don't develop anything
Neither do infra devs or doc devs...
IMHO GDP members develop documentation :-). Just let's call them all
developers...
-jkt
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Ok as I was waiting for Azarah approval after Robbat's one here we are:
[23:49] Flameeyes az, it was kito :P i'm just waiting for your opinion about
sys-auth
[23:50] az i cant see that anybody ever waited for my approval to do
anything, but since it makes you feel all tingly and good inside, it
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 17:49 -0400, Olivier Crete wrote:
On Tue, 2005-28-06 at 07:20 -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:57:46PM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
On 6/28/05, Shyam Mani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it really matter you if we are called developers
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 06:34:11PM -0300, Gustavo Zacarias wrote:
When will this end?
DON'T KEYWORD STUFF YOU DON'T TEST ON ARCHES, SPECIALLY STUFF THAT WON'T
WORK UNTIL PORTING IS DONE.
I mean, c'mon, it's easy enough... just go to that little Mono page
Jan Kundrát wrote:
IMHO GDP members develop documentation :-). Just let's call them all
developers...
and the forums monkeys develop solutions for the users.. develop faqs..
develop a community..
But I'm fine with the staff thingy. Please reread the GLEP and have a
look at the changes we made.
John Mylchreest wrote:
Infra developers are more often than not package maintainers etc as
well, and have cvs rights. if they don't have cvs rights, they look
after core infrastructure which is vital to Gentoo's survival.
Forums built a community.
Quote: 'Best support went to the Gentoo
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 00:20 +0200, Christian Hartmann wrote:
To host patches, docs etc. Just like every other devs/staff guy does
atm. (Sure. toucan isn't meant to be a download server and we're aware
of this fact.)
Patches to our phpbb should only fall under 2-3 people and means
moderators
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I've been wondering lately with the discussion of yet more new
categories, why don't we do repocopies to move packages? Note that I'm
talking about packages switching categories and explicitly _not_ about
package name changes.
Although this would
Comrades!
Once more, I come before you with sad tidings. Evil anti-gentoo
conspirators are plotting to destroy our
wonderful distribution. Yet again they tried to subvert quality and
integrity of our distribution by falsely
claiming that certain packages build and run *gasp* stable *gasp* on
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 17:34 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 00:20 +0200, Christian Hartmann wrote:
To host patches, docs etc. Just like every other devs/staff guy does
atm. (Sure. toucan isn't meant to be a download server and we're aware
of this fact.)
Patches to
Hi all,
Just a question, will there be a different group for moderators that
belong to staff and moderators which doesn't belong? I'm asking this
because users may relate different groups meaning official gentoo
replies from gentoo staff and not official from other moderators,
giving the idea of
Peter Johanson wrote:
I know this is intended to be tongue in cheek,
Good.
but I have a dev in the
dotnet herd who's really pretty upset right now as a result of such
apparently scathing comments accusing him of being an evil conspirator,
a wrecker, and traitor, when it wasn't even *him* who
On Jun 28, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
Ok as I was waiting for Azarah approval after Robbat's one here we
are:
[23:49] Flameeyes az, it was kito :P i'm just waiting for your
opinion about
sys-auth
[23:50] az i cant see that anybody ever waited for my approval to do
On Wednesday 29 June 2005 01:31, Kito wrote:
Yeah, I would add to the list:
app-crypt/heimdal
Ok so this makes also those belonging there:
app-crypt/mit-krb5
app-crypt/kth-krb
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Gentoo Developer - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/
(Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64,
On Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:03 pm, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
sys-libs/nss-mysql (why we have two?)
Robbat was supposed to remove this; it's passed its cut-off date quite a while
ago.
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Ectro-Linux Foundation
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This might be a problem with the drivers as well. I have seen this
issue on other systems with various ATI cards and I have yet to come
across the solution for it.
On 6/28/05, Chris Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Luca Barbato wrote:
Chris Frederick wrote:
I'd be happy to help test.
Lance Albertson posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:14:11 -0500:
Ok, after talking with a few folks I want to retract my comment about no
shell access. I didn't think about the other groups (docs) that already
have shell access and retain a simliar status as
* Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/06/28 18:14 -0500]:
I'm just getting ansty about all these new people we're bringing
New people? You're joking, aren't you? Some of them are
moderators for even a longer time than you are a Gentoo Dev.
The problem just is, that the Forums have been
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 03:32 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
* Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/06/28 18:14 -0500]:
I'm just getting ansty about all these new people we're bringing
New people? You're joking, aren't you? Some of them are
moderators for even a longer time than you are a
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