Kumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
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> @Council
> As for the rest of thisthread..., mayhaps it would be wise for
> Council and Infra to postpone the moderation idea for a few months? (let
> 2007-2008 council handle the matter
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> there are ways to make the USE=nocxx -> USE=cxx transition nice and i plan
> on going that route
>
What would those/that be?
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
Gentoo's always been exclusively for the de
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Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> Matthias Langer wrote:
>>> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
>>> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
>>> becoming more and more a toy
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Matthias Langer wrote:
>> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
>> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
>> becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
>
> Gentoo's always been exclusively
That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the
community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as
our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it.
Of course Gentoo owes to the community a lot. A lot of its progress,
progress of the
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Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> Are you people serious? Let's ban nondevs from bugzilla then? Close
> #gentoo, disband PR, etc? Not sure if we can keep any sponsors then...
...or devs...
Seriously, no users == no community. Why? Because devs don't get along
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 08:43:36PM +0100, Peter Weller wrote:
> I nominate...
>
> tomk
Thanks for the nomination but I'll have to decline as I haven't got enough
free time at the moment to be on the council.
Tom
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:44 -0400
Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > Are you people serious? Let's ban nondevs from bugzilla then? Close
> > #gentoo, disband PR, etc? Not sure if we can keep any sponsors
>
Steve Long wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
>
>> Matthias Langer wrote:
>>
>>> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
>>> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
>>> becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
Vlastimil Babka wrote:
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Andrew Gaffney wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and
Marius Mauch wrote:
I think you're misinterpreting those statements.
Consider if you have choose if you spend your time implementing a
feature that you personally want to have or one that a user wants (and
is of no use to yourself), which one would you choose, assuming that
both have the same cos
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> Yep, this is all anyone is trying to say. We aren't paid, so we work on
> what we feel like working on, and do what we feel like doing (within
> reason).
>
This is the great difficulty with any open-source project, and yet
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting.
As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
and if anyone is suppos
Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> You misunderstand. I'm not saying that all non-devs can get bent and their
> opinions be damned. I'm just saying that at the core, Gentoo is still the
> same as it was "back in the day". Gentoo isn't a commercial distribution,
> and nobody pays us, so we can do anything we w
Wernfried Haas wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
>> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
>
> Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting.
> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current st
Steve Long kirjoitti:
> Wernfried Haas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
>>> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
>> Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting.
>> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm n
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400, "Daniel Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I do like the "gentoo-politics" idea that came up a few weeks ago, which
> was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd view it
> from another perspective (and avoid the words 'politics'): make
>
Hello Steve!
On Monday, 16. July 2007 18:17:00 Steve Long wrote:
> Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want,
> why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what
> extravagant demands us lusers make on you?
Now, now. You're a nice guy on IRC so what
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:44 -0400
Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Talk like this, especially from people I respected, makes me question
> just what its worth to keep going. If Gentoo is only about the devs,
> well, I'm happy with the way things are now, they work for me, so no
> sens
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:34:31 +0100
Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It also happens that bugs are reported, and patches provided, by
> users. Not to mention documentation written, support provided on irc
> and in forums, which are the envy of every OS out there. Oh and the
> small matter of
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Anyone tell me how can I get rid of this junk in my mailbox? Where's the
damned -announce list? Please, stop feeding this kind of debates down
everyone's throat.
:
Well it's clear that nearly everybody is a fucking tard on this list. So
before I depart. Here is a list of shit that's going to need to be
maintained or dropped from the tree. Do what you will I could give two
shits less.
dev-embedded/gpio
dev-util/elfkickers
net-firewall/arptables
net-firewal
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
Gentoo's always been exclusively fo
On 7/16/07, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well it's clear that nearly everybody is a fucking tard on this list. So
before I depart. Here is a list of shit that's going to need to be
maintained or dropped from the tree. Do what you will I could give two
shits less.
We don't really know eac
В Пнд, 16/07/2007 в 10:50 -0700, Ned Ludd пишет:
> net-firewall/ebtables
> net-misc/netkit-telnetd
taken.
base-system, are there any objections if I add you as the herd? related
applications like iptables and other netkit-* apps belongs to your
herd...
> net-firewall/arptables
and if I manag
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:16:45 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Matthias Langer wrote:
> >
> >> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read
> >> on this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that
> >> it is becoming
So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
Celcius...
Discuss!
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
> to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit
> vs Celcius...
>
> Discuss!
Sorry, but on topic posts are not allowed here.
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Doug Goldstein wrote:
> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
> debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
> Celcius...
>
> Discuss!
I don't care, as long as the temperature is somewhere in
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
> to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit
> vs Celcius...
Did you know that a black body of that temperature would have a
heat flux density of 518,65 W/m^2? O
> On Monday 16 July 2007 19:12, Roy Marples wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400
>
> Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
> > to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit
> > vs Celcius...
Roy Marples wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400
> Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
>> to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit
>> vs Celcius...
>>
>> Discuss!
>>
>
> Sor
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:06 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
> debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
> Celcius...
>
> Discuss!
>
Well Celcius isn't the S.I scale for temperature but it's related
> On Monday 16 July 2007 19:27, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
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> Doug Goldstein wrote:
> > So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
> > debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
> > Celcius...
> >
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:24:32 -0700
Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All-
>
[..snip..]
>
> We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now
> would be the time.
>
> --taco
Eeer, I think this is one of the most idiotic ideas I've heard since
I started using Gentoo.
As I
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:02:07 +0100
Peter Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The moderators should get the final word, end of.
That would only work if Gentoo could find decent moderators who are
prepared to put lots of effort into work that is, let's face it,
entirely unnecessary and serving no point be
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Dale wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400
>> Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
>>> to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit
>
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:41:42PM +, Luis Medinas wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:06 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> > So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
> > debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
> > Celcius...
> >
> > Disc
Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:41:42PM +, Luis Medinas wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:06 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote:
So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
Celcius...
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:49:23 +0200, "Jakub Moc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
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> Anyone tell me how can I get rid of this junk in my mailbox? Where's the
> d
Mike Doty wrote:
All-
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate in
bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the
gentoo-project list will be created to take ov
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, Will Briggs wrote:
> Oh dear. "slight delay" in an email list forum? That's like saying
> "you can take part in this face-to-face conversation but you have to
> wait 30 seconds before you can say anything" In effect you reduce that
> person to an on-looker who
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 06:45 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the community
> at
> large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as our own personal
> toy
> (which we currently aren't), then so be it.
Exactly.
I work on G
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:34 +0100, Steve Long wrote:
> Are you really claiming that Gentoo could possibly function as an
> organisation without the users?
Who ever said that?
Please don't read your own whatever into what is being said. I know I,
for one, don't really care what your opinion is on
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:37 +0200, Michael Krelin wrote:
> >
> > That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the
> > community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as
> > our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it.
> >
>
> Of cour
* Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
> devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.
What will you do when users start sending mail from dev addresses?
Thanks,
Torsten
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Torsten Veller wrote:
* Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.
What will you do when users start sending mail from dev addresses?
There's nothing to prevent that n
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, Will Briggs wrote:
Oh dear. "slight delay" in an email list forum? That's like saying
"you can take part in this face-to-face conversation but you have to
wait 30 seconds before you can say anything" In effect you reduce that
person t
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On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 23:30 +0100, George Prowse wrote:
> This is going to crash and burn but wouldn't it be an ideal job
> description for the proctors? Instead of telling people off they could
> just stop people posting. That way you dont even get to know that they
> are even there.
Seeing as
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, Will Briggs wrote:
>> Oh dear. "slight delay" in an email list forum? That's like saying
>> "you can take part in this face-to-face conversation but you have to
>> wait 30 seconds before you can say anything" In effect you reduce that
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Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
> > I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
>
> Proctors have already be
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 06:45 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the community at
large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as our own personal toy
(which we currently aren't), then so be it.
Exactl
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:37 +0200, Michael Krelin wrote:
That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the
community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as
our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it.
Of course Gentoo owes to the co
Ferris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
>> and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).
> I am sure not devrel. That's one reason we had proctors to begin
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:34 +0100, Steve Long wrote:
>> Are you really claiming that Gentoo could possibly function as an
>> organisation without the users?
>
> Who ever said that?
>
> Please don't read your own whatever into what is being said. I know I,
> for one, do
Torsten Veller wrote:
> | for the quick low down:
> | - nominations are from July 1 through July 31
> | - anyone can nominate
> | - only Gentoo devs may be nominated
> |
> | so get with the nominating people !
I noticed Kumba isn't nominated, so I'll throw him into the ring.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 23:30 +0100, George Prowse wrote:
>> This is going to crash and burn but wouldn't it be an ideal job
>> description for the proctors? Instead of telling people off they could
>> just stop people posting. That way you dont even get to know that they
>
Welcome p-y!
2007/7/15, Pierre-Yves Rofes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
@Remi: Yeah, the french conspiracy strikes again :D
btw, I hope we'll have an opportunity to meet all the frenchies near Paris
around some beers one of these days :)
Be sure we will ;)
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> Just because developers develop because they want to doesn't mean
>> they dont want to be part of a community, if that wasn't the case
>> then none of the current developers would have originally been part
>> of the userbase to begin with.
>
> What relevance does this ha
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
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Sorry was there some reason the rest of us had to read this? If so, please
explain it like a responsible Council member. Or is this your swansong? If
so it's l4m3.
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Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On 7/16/07, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well it's clear that nearly everybody is a fucking tard on this list. So
>> before I depart. Here is a list of shit that's going to need to be
>> maintained or dropped from the tree. Do what you will I could give two
>> shi
Petteri Räty wrote:
> It's a joint pleasure for me and diox to introduce to you Pierre-Yves
> "py" Rofes. Instead of the snake people he will be joining our security
> team. Py originates from Paris, France, and has just finished his
> studies in computer science. He'll be hired soon (or maybe alr
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:02:07 +0100
> Peter Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> The moderators should get the final word, end of.
>
> That would only work if Gentoo could find decent moderator
Sorry I know I said "ignore thread" but really: just cos the forum mods
banned you it
Richard Freeman wrote:
> Then again, I guess this post pretty-much obliterates my chance of
> getting a patent.
Nah, you have a year to file in the US ;) The ROTW might not agree, however.
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Steve Long wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
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> Sorry was there some reason the rest of us had to read this? If so, please
> explain it like a responsible Council member. Or is this your swansong? If
> so it's l
Could we try to keep this thread, and all the similarly named ones, on
topic? The pointing fingers, trash talking, etc is not furthering anything.
If you don't like councils opinion, or someone elses opinion, well respect
them enough to allow them their own opinion.
The real topic at hand is about
I'd also like to nominate mcummings (he's an old guy in Gentoo land and
his mails look reasonable), lack (he's a bit fresher, but his mails are
good) and kumba (old guy, nice mails).
XML has been updated.
Cheers,
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Steve Long wrote:
> Petteri Räty wrote:
>
>> It's a joint pleasure for me and diox to introduce to you Pierre-Yves
>> "py" Rofes. Instead of the snake people he will be joining our security
>> team. Py originates from Paris, France, and has just finished his
>> studies in computer science. He'll b
Chrissy Fullam wrote:
Could we try to keep this thread, and all the similarly named ones, on
topic? The pointing fingers, trash talking, etc is not furthering anything.
If you don't like councils opinion, or someone elses opinion, well respect
them enough to allow them their own opinion.
The real
Ryan Hill wrote:
> Steve Long wrote:
>> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>>
>>> :0
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>> Sorry was there some reason the rest of us had to read this? If so,
>> please explain it like a responsible Council member. Or is this
Steve Long wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to explain just how Mr Gianelloni's post was NOT a troll
then? Or is every developer's procmail setting (particularly for such a
stupid thread) a matter we should all be discussing? It's not like amne
never pointed out, several mails ago, that the whole thread
Steve Long wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to explain just how Mr Gianelloni's post was NOT a troll
then? Or is every developer's procmail setting (particularly for such a
stupid thread) a matter we should all be discussing? It's not like amne
never pointed out, several mails ago, that the whole thread
Richard Freeman wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:06:37 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves
to debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahr
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Steve Long wrote:
> And no, I don't like being lumped in with Mr McCreesh.
Why would anyone do that? His trolling is sophisticated, but you're just
an annoying spammer.
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Luis Francisco Araujo wrote:
> Steve Long wrote:
>> Petteri Räty wrote:
>>
>>> It's a joint pleasure for me and diox to introduce to you Pierre-Yves
>>> "py" Rofes. Instead of the snake people he will be joining our security
>>> team. Py originates from Paris, France, and has just finished his
>>
On Monday 16 July 2007, Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Пнд, 16/07/2007 в 10:50 -0700, Ned Ludd пишет:
> > net-firewall/ebtables
> > net-misc/netkit-telnetd
>
> taken.
>
> base-system, are there any objections if I add you as the herd? related
> applications like iptables and other netkit-* apps belongs to
I was asked to discuss here a portage enhancement proposed by me [1].
Basically I need a pkg_create() that will be executed only in the
context of the upcoming "ebuild ${PF}.ebuild create" command.
The package where I need it is app-mobilephone/bitpim. The upstream doesn't
offer a source tarball,
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:25:02 +0300
Alin Năstac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was asked to discuss here a portage enhancement proposed by me [1].
>
> Basically I need a pkg_create() that will be executed only in the
> context of the upcoming "ebuild ${PF}.ebuild create" command.
>
> The package
Marius Mauch wrote:
> Two questions:
> - are there more packages that could benefit from this?
>
None that I know of. However, there might be other similar packages
without a source tarball (slim chance, but quite possible). At first, I
asked upstream to provide such tarball, but I got refused
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
> Alin Năstac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was asked to discuss here a portage enhancement proposed by me [1].
> >
> > Basically I need a pkg_create() that will be executed only in the
> > context of the upcoming "ebuild ${PF}.ebuild create" command.
Alin Năstac kirjoitti:
> Marius Mauch wrote:
>> Two questions:
>> - are there more packages that could benefit from this?
>>
>
> None that I know of. However, there might be other similar packages
> without a source tarball (slim chance, but quite possible). At first, I
> asked upstream to prov
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:06 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> So it's 97 degrees outside.. it's pretty hot... Since everyone loves to
> debate non-technical things on this list.. Let's debate Fahrenheit vs
> Celcius...
>
> Discuss!
Well from my POV you have about 13 assholes 14 including me that fel
Vlastimil Babka napsal(a):
> Steve Long wrote:
>> And no, I don't like being lumped in with Mr McCreesh.
>
> Why would anyone do that? His trolling is sophisticated, but you're just
> an annoying spammer.
Can we please stop this direction? My ZOMG was there to share my
frustration from getting my
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