J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices
> supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or
> filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get.
I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware
installed if I only
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Any objections if I slap a generic package.mask on every firmware package
> installing to wrong directory?
> Half of them install to /$(get_libdir)/firmware as opposed to correct
> /lib/firmware.
> Most of them are maintainer-needed@ and ve
On 02/10/2013 03:45 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Montag, 11. Februar 2013, 00:34:19 schrieb Michał Górny:
>
>>>
>>> actually *do* to one's system?
>>
>> Out of curiosity, does portage suggest switching to the new profiles
>> even if it doesn't support its EAPI?
>
> Unfortunately, it seems y
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:12:15 +0100
Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 08/02/13 22:46, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:04 +0100
> > Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> we as gentoo will prov
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:09:38 +1100
Michael Palimaka wrote:
> On 9/02/2013 23:52, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:38:35 +1100
> > Michael Palimaka wrote:
> >
> >> I even noticed some maintainers adding subslots dependencies on
> >> libraries that do not yet define subslots. This
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:21:56 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:15:03 -0300
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
>
> > I hope this will be trivial to most of you but after seeing bug
> > #455900 and the vast majority of developers not even thinking twice
> > before sedding their dep strings, I
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On 02/10/2013 07:18 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
> wrote:
>> I am marked maintainer of linux-firmware due to my desire to make sure
>> wifi related things work. I have no desire at all to imple
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
from the tree, for the week ending 2013-02-10 23h59 UTC.
Removals:
x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 2013-02-07 04:13:24 zx2c4
dev-python/wsgiref 2013-02-07 19:02:23
promethea
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
wrote:
> I am marked maintainer of linux-firmware due to my desire to make sure
> wifi related things work. I have no desire at all to implement use
> expand for this, HOWEVER, I am willing to accept a patch for that if it
> comes out even
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Douglas Freed wrote:
> How does having additional firmware installed affect security at all?
> Firmware is only loaded when specifically requested by a loaded driver that
> needs to use it, and only if that driver is actually in use. That's like
> saying a file th
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On 02/10/2013 04:45 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
> wrote:
>> Honestly while I agree this could have been handled a little more
>> carefully we all win by having ONE place for firmware. The fir
On 02/10/2013 03:34 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:06:39 -0500
> James Cloos wrote:
>
>>> "AKH" == Andreas K Huettel writes:
>>
>> AKH> To be honest I did not really see the necessity since the "big red
>> AKH> warning" exactly tells you what to do (and even which profile t
Am Montag, 11. Februar 2013, 00:34:19 schrieb Michał Górny:
> >
> > actually *do* to one's system?
>
> Out of curiosity, does portage suggest switching to the new profiles
> even if it doesn't support its EAPI?
Unfortunately, it seems yes. (Feature request?)
--
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linu
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:06:39 -0500
James Cloos wrote:
> > "AKH" == Andreas K Huettel writes:
>
> AKH> To be honest I did not really see the necessity since the "big red
> AKH> warning" exactly tells you what to do (and even which profile to
> AKH> pick, which would be more complicated in a
> Combined with various less-than-free licenses, installing one huge blob of
> firmware is problematic for many users, also from a security point of
view.
How does having additional firmware installed affect security at all?
Firmware is only loaded when specifically requested by a loaded driver th
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bruno wrote:
> On Sun, 10 February 2013 Maxim Kammerer wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> > I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
>> > proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/
>>
>> for
Since I just sent a why to post a news item note, that exactly covers
things.
Thanks!
-JimC
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> "AKH" == Andreas K Huettel writes:
AKH> To be honest I did not really see the necessity since the "big red
AKH> warning" exactly tells you what to do (and even which profile to
AKH> pick, which would be more complicated in a news item).
But it doesn't tell one why the change was made, what
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
wrote:
> Honestly while I agree this could have been handled a little more
> carefully we all win by having ONE place for firmware. The firmware
> package is like 20MB, if you don't have that much free harddrive space
> then you can use t
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 16:02:55 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel:
> Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:15:43 schrieb Markos Chandras:>
>
> > I suspect most people are interested in understanding what changed
> > (since deprecation means that the new thing is better than the old
> > one). Moreover,
On Sun, 10 February 2013 Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
> > proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/
>
> for fw in $(strings -a -n 10 $(find /lib/modules -name '*
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On 02/10/2013 11:54 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>> I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
>>> proper firmwar
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On 02/10/2013 10:55 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Samuli Suominen
> wrote:
>> # Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
>> # as opposed to correct /lib/firmware
>> # Some of these don't have maintaine
PR> # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
PR> # Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
PR> # boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
PR> # version in the tree, people should move to sci overlay one (#424659).
PR> # Removal in a month.
PR> sci-visualization/para
Alec Warner wrote:
> >> Having nice mailinglist where users can contribute simple patches
> >> would be briliant thing to use :-)
> >
> > That's still a waste of time compared to gerrit. You should look at
> > it if you don't know it already.
>
> I'll take patchwork over gerrit, honestly ;)
Did y
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>> +1 from me; I've had a few machines break on kernel upgrades because I
>> didn't have the proper firmware installed (I guess older kernel
>> sources came with the firmware?).
>
> This is another problem, namely dependency level problem.
>
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>> Having nice mailinglist where users can contribute simple patches
>> would be briliant thing to use :-)
>
> That's still a waste of time compared to gerrit. You should look at
> it if you don't know it already.
I'll tak
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
>> proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/
>
> +1 from me; I've had a few machines break on kernel
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> (I guess older kernel sources came with the firmware?)
See e.g. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42689#c5
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Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
> proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/
+1 from me; I've had a few machines break on kernel upgrades because I
didn't have the proper firmware installed (I
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get
> proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/
for fw in $(strings -a -n 10 $(find /lib/modules -name '*.ko') | sed
-n 's/^firmware=//p' | sort -u); do
if [ ! -
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On 02/10/2013 03:10 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> # Samuli Suominen (10 Feb 2013)
> # The firmware cleanup, part #1. Can be unmasked after
> # cleaning up the package if it's still needed.
> # Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
>
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 10 February 2013 20:11, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Otherwise, purpose-driven overlays just make sense - they allow a
>> different set of contributors who are more familiar/interested in a
>> set of packages to maintain them.
>
> It makes more
On 10 February 2013 15:02, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:15:43 schrieb Markos Chandras:>
>> I suspect most people are interested in understanding what changed
>> (since deprecation means that the new thing is better than the old
>> one). Moreover, the news item is an
hasufell wrote:
> there should only be two reasons to have ebuilds in a seperate
> overlay: they depend on dropped packages or they are unsupportable
> (e.g. because they are in early alpha stage or broken in some ways).
Keep in mind that there may be lots of other cases which you have not
and can
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> # Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
> # as opposed to correct /lib/firmware
> # Some of these don't have maintainer
> # Some of these are replaced by the firmware from the
> # linux-firmware package:
> net-wireless
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Having nice mailinglist where users can contribute simple patches
> would be briliant thing to use :-)
That's still a waste of time compared to gerrit. You should look at
it if you don't know it already.
//Peter
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 10/02/13 05:08, Mike Gilbert (floppym) wrote:
>>
>> floppym 13/02/10 03:08:22
>> - insinto /etc/udev/rules.d
>> + insinto /lib/udev/rules.d
>
>
> The udevdir is dynamic, not static, so:
>
> inherit udev
>
> insinto "$(get
On 10 February 2013 23:02, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:15:43 schrieb Markos Chandras:>
>> I suspect most people are interested in understanding what changed
>> (since deprecation means that the new thing is better than the old
>> one). Moreover, the news item is an
On 10 February 2013 20:11, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Otherwise, purpose-driven overlays just make sense - they allow a
> different set of contributors who are more familiar/interested in a
> set of packages to maintain them.
It makes more sense to let those people be proxy-maintainers and keep
those
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> On 02/10/2013 12:47 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:> Would anyone be
> > Would anyone be terribly upset if I started pillaging this silly
> > overlay? (And any other overlays that look like they
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:59:57 schrieb Patrick Nagel:
>
> Actually, if you could add a note that before switching to the new profile,
> you should update portage if it's old, that would be even more
> user-friendly:
>
Already done, see separate mail...
--
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Li
El dom, 10-02-2013 a las 17:46 +0300, Sergei Trofimovich escribió:
[...]
> The source of confusion was non-working device by default.
> Maybe 'IUSE=+firmware; RDEPEND="firmware? ( sys-kernel/linux-firmware )"'
> for virtual/linux-sources would help user experience a bit.
>
> Sometimes firmware loa
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On 02/10/2013 12:47 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:> Would anyone be
> Would anyone be terribly upset if I started pillaging this silly
> overlay? (And any other overlays that look like they are fun)
>
Go ahead, I will help you.
On 02/10/2013 12:59 PM, Pa
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:15:43 schrieb Markos Chandras:>
> I suspect most people are interested in understanding what changed
> (since deprecation means that the new thing is better than the old
> one). Moreover, the news item is another way to assure them that
> everything is not as bad a
Hi,
On 2013-02-10 22:06, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 14:34:14 schrieb Markos Chandras:
new profiles? As a Gentoo user who just got a giant red warning from
portage that his active profile was deprecated, I feel like many people
are going to be confused
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> no matter what are Richs opinions he is not the one crating global policies
> for this, so the defaults still are that we encourage adding all stuff to main
> tree where possible.
Relax, and don't make it personal.
The bottom line is that s
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 10:10:51 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> # Samuli Suominen (10 Feb 2013)
> # The firmware cleanup, part #1. Can be unmasked after
> # cleaning up the package if it's still needed.
> # Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
> # as opposed to correct /lib/firm
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On 02/10/2013 10:01 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013) # Fails with
> gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with # boost
> (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old # version
> in the tree, people should move
Dne Ne 10. února 2013 13:51:16, Alexander Berntsen napsal(a):
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> On 10/02/13 12:47, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > So instead of moving things from random overlays to the tree we
> > remove packages now, remove features from other packages because of
On 10 February 2013 14:06, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 14:34:14 schrieb Markos Chandras:
>> > > new profiles? As a Gentoo user who just got a giant red warning from
>> > > portage that his active profile was deprecated, I feel like many people
>> > > are going to be
Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 14:34:14 schrieb Markos Chandras:
> > > new profiles? As a Gentoo user who just got a giant red warning from
> > > portage that his active profile was deprecated, I feel like many people
> > > are going to be confused about this.
> >
> > Obviously a news item should
On Feb 10, 2013 8:32 AM, "Ben de Groot" wrote:
>
> On 10 February 2013 10:43, Douglas Freed wrote:
> >> * all 13.0 profiles have been created and are marked stable the same
way
> >> as
> >> 10.0 was
> >> * all 10.0 profiles have been removed from profiles.desc
> >> * all 10.0 profiles have been d
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Alexander Berntsen
wrote:
>
> On 10/02/13 13:11, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> - just look up your average non-core piece of FOSS software and the
>> first thing their Ubuntu install instructions will tell you to do
>> is to add some repository to your list.
> And the se
On 10/02/13 10:10, Samuli Suominen wrote:
# Samuli Suominen (10 Feb 2013)
# The firmware cleanup, part #1. Can be unmasked after
# cleaning up the package if it's still needed.
# Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
# as opposed to correct /lib/firmware
# Some of these don't
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On 10/02/13 12:47, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> So instead of moving things from random overlays to the tree we
> remove packages now, remove features from other packages because of
> that (openfoam) and then ... tell users to use an overlay?
>
> Someho
Dne Ne 10. února 2013 19:47:58, Patrick Lauer napsal(a):
> On 02/10/2013 05:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
> > # Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
> > # boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
> > # version in the tree,
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> +1. If you can't manage moving/updating your packages properly
> and on-time from the sci overlay, please get rid of it.
Seems like the alternative solution is to just not have these ebuilds
in the main tree.
There is nothing wrong with ha
El dom, 10-02-2013 a las 19:47 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió:
> On 02/10/2013 05:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
> > # Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
> > # boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
> > # version in the
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:47:58 +0800
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 02/10/2013 05:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
> > # Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
> > # boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
> > # version in the tree
On 02/10/2013 05:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> # Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
> # Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
> # boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
> # version in the tree, people should move to sci overlay one (#424659).
> # Removal in a
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:22:13 +0100
""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote:
> I can actually batch invalidate all of them. This will generate some
> further bug spam (I apologize), but can save your time dealing with
> the mess. Please let me know what's your preference.
The URL field is likely not filled o
On 1/12/13 11:49 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> Please review attached automatically generated stabilization candidates
> for January.
Oops, today I've tried my _separate_ script to file stabilization bugs
based on a generated list of packages to support that workflow.
Now the bug is that the l
# Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
# Upstream dropped support for linux time ago (#434390),
# possible security issues (#360539). You can use Windows
# version with PlayOnLinux. Removal in a month.
media-gfx/picasa
# Pacho Ramos (10 Feb 2013)
# Abandoned by upstream, problems building (#362611).
# Remo
On 10 February 2013 10:43, Douglas Freed wrote:
>> * all 13.0 profiles have been created and are marked stable the same way
>> as
>> 10.0 was
>> * all 10.0 profiles have been removed from profiles.desc
>> * all 10.0 profiles have been deprecated
>
> Suggestion: perhaps a news item should be create
On 10/02/13 05:08, Mike Gilbert (floppym) wrote:
floppym 13/02/10 03:08:22
- insinto /etc/udev/rules.d
+ insinto /lib/udev/rules.d
The udevdir is dynamic, not static, so:
inherit udev
insinto "$(get_udevdir)"/rules.d
Thanks
# Samuli Suominen (10 Feb 2013)
# The firmware cleanup, part #1. Can be unmasked after
# cleaning up the package if it's still needed.
# Some of these install to wrong directory, /lib64/firmware
# as opposed to correct /lib/firmware
# Some of these don't have maintainer
# Some of these are replac
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