t
on the lists, PMS would have been approved long ago. Of course, that
doesn't mesh well with your apparent need to be a complete dick to
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7;m curious as to why you think the actively contributing members of the PMS
> team aren't acting in Gentoo's interests, though.
Maybe because they were booted from Gentoo for not acting in Gentoo's
best interest?
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eloper any longer and you shouldn't have a say in how *we*
manage ourselves. You're more than welcome to contribute code, fork, or
whatever the hell you want. This is open source, after all, but that
doesn't mean you should be allowed to hold the position of power over
Gentoo that
profiles.
Second, there's a newer official (and stable) media set. Sorry if you
don't like the "beta" moniker, which applies to the media set. After
all, does a package suddenly become less stable because it is included
in a tarball that has "beta" in the *FILE NAME*
the facts to suit your needs. After all, looking at /releases on the
mirrors, I see a nice and shiny 2008.0_beta2 on all of the
officially-supported arches.
Isn't it about time that you gave up on your little mission to
consistently undermine the hard work put in by a community of
volunteers?
;re just posting more of your
bullshit where you obscure or otherwise lie about the facts to suit
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> > There's a reason for Paludis not accepting them, and the same reason
> > applies
> > to the question of allowing them in PMS or not, therefore PMS doesn't allow
> > them. There's no evil conspiracy here, just pure logic.
>
> Care to share
t; Fortunately you don't have to think, you can just read Ciaran's
> explanation.
Yes, because we all should stop thinking for ourselves and let Ciaran
tell us what to think. After all, we all want to be like the cool
Paludis developers.
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've decided to put you and all
of your little cohorts into my killfile so I no longer have to read your
constant barrage of bullshit.
Seriously, you're a complete fucking waste.
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On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 14:46 +0100, Alex Howells wrote:
> I agree with both of these and also think both agaffney and wolf31o2
> would serve us excellently on Council. Consider them nominated too :)
Thanks, but I no longer have the time nor the desire to dedicate to the
Council.
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tired with hearing the Foundation's self-promotional comments on how
important it is to development on this list. You guys have your own
list for that crap, as it is.
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sing lzma for system (and lower) packages.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220074
We're already getting reports of this due to someone deciding that it'd
be a good idea to use lzma for our daily portage snapshots without any
discussion here. Luckily, we still have the oth
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 16:21 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
> address_eth0?
> addresses_eth0?
I think one of these two is the most obvious to people. Since most
people will likely only have one address per interface, I'd say that
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> strong?
Pretty much, yeah. The main difference that I would see from the
current *DEPEND variables, besides what was said above, would be that a
lack of visibility wouldn't stop the package merge. If sys-apps/foo had
ODEPEND="dev-libs/bar" and d
This way, we could "ship" a more robust configuration/setup for many
popular applications without forcing software on people.
It's an idea, anyway, and I hope that I didn't hijack the thread.
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ry simple. If you don't have time to do
something, don't do it. However, the common courtesy in such cases
would be to inform the requester of said time constraint, so he can
either adjust his expectations, or find someone else to do the work.
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; options.
>
> I'd say leave the current norm and smack the misbehaving maintainers :)
Who says that they're misbehaving? Again, the maintainers probably know
their packages better than anyone else, so why are we not trusting their
judgement again?
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, please let me know so I can sync the changes into the
snapshot tree.
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pace. The only difference is the
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had a single commit of several
profiles take up to 6 minutes to complete, and that's not with repoman
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ion. I'm trying to reproduce on
> machine
> 2 the same state of packages that package A was compiled against on machine
> 1. And
> even make it optional to do so, via an emerge flag.
This is likely usually done by controlling the binrepo. At least,
that's how I do it.
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On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 17:48 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On 3/13/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a distro builder, too, and I haven't been hitting any of these
> > problems. Would you care to point out the actual problems, or will the
>
5:11] * agaffney cries in the corner
> [gio mar 13 2008] [02:55:40] what stupid are you
Thanks for reminding me once again how you like to interact with the
people that you're trying to "help" out. You wonder why people respond
negatively to your demands and this is h
t.
Well, I sincerely hope that you do not file such a bug, as it would
royally screw over the one team in Gentoo that *does* consistently use
our binary package support.
I would definitely like to see the support improved, but not at the
expense of doing very stupid things like locking to specific
ve
since
> it was close to useless.
I'm a distro builder, too, and I haven't been hitting any of these
problems. Would you care to point out the actual problems, or will the
"close to useless" comment be our only indication of the perceived
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the exact opposite response than the demanding individual intends. Try
doing something worthy of respecting, and you'll likely gain some
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Welcome to the team (officially)...
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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 20:19 +0100, Mateusz Mierzwinski wrote:
> Ok, I've try i810 and... no DRI.
Please take this off the general development mailing list and to one of
the support lists, or, even better, to our bug tracker at
http://bugs.gentoo.org instead.
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> ./configure script?. Better to add i965 to mesa VIDEO_CARD variable. I
> don't want to change compile profile to non-NPTL.
Even better... i965 support is added by VIDEO_CARDS=i810 already. You
don't need to do anything by hand...
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> ./configure script?. Better to add i965 to mesa VIDEO_CARD variable. I
> don't want to change compile profile to non-NPTL.
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hat
bugs do not act the same as a web forum, or they're simply rude and
trying to tell the developer that they think that their issue is more
important than others. ;]
Generally, "bump request" means to bump the version of a package,
whereas just "bump" is for "bu
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that it only makes sense that we keep them around for
a long time from here on out, but they *can* be safe to move in the
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}" \{\} \;
>
> For inherit eclass I've searched manually.
There's also games-etmod games-ut2k4mod and games-q3mod which were all
replaced by games-mods quite some time ago. There isn't anything in the
tree using these.
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On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 14:21 +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Do we really need a front-page news item for this? I don't think the
> > impact would be terribly great, as I suspect this affects a very small
> > number of people whom are likely
fo to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice.
If someone thinks we need to do a front-page article, we can do that,
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On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:45 +0100, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > If adding "bluetooth" seems to be a bit much, how about just the "usb"
> > USE flag? After all, my UPS won't work with apcupsd without USE="
ter all, my UPS won't work with apcupsd without USE="usb"
on my server... ;]
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On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 23:47 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti:
> >
> > base/packages:
> > removed debianutils
>
> I don't think we reached a decision on whether debianutils should go to
> kernel-2.eclass before this is done.
Actually, it
entoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0046.html for anybody wanting to
know what GLEP49 entails.
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autoconf and automake from
packages and packages.build above, since things *should* now be
depending on them if they need them. Of course, I won't commit that
until after posting here again after testing it and being sure it's
good.
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On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 00:45 +0100, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2008 12:32 AM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 12:05:26AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > > Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > >> I think thro
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 10:32 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> That nothing that you've said counters the package not being needed in
> the system target. In fact, the packages that you list all explicitly
> depend on debianutils, so they wouldn't break if we removed it from
>
e debianutils but do *not*
depend on it, because it's in "system" now.
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On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 18:01 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 05:34:14PM -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 06:27 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > > Due to how CVS hooks operate, it's not quite possible.
> > > You woul
again.
Thanks for taking the time to code that part up. I hope that you sent
that patch upstream! ;]
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of anything aside from portage/paludis/pkgcore use the
digest files, and I'd bet that paludis/pkgcore don't use them, at all.
I think throwing up an announcement today/tomorrow for Thursday/Friday
should be sufficient for this sort of a change, as it won't affect any
user who has a v
s what I'm asking is if it is possible to have repoman create a
digest for sys-apps/portage only, for the slow upgraders. Of course,
this assumes its even possible on the portage side to bother. If not,
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ong with a patch, this would be very
> bad, as the ebuild+Manifest would get committed, but the patch wouldn't.
Bleh... CVS vs. SVN. There's no "pre-commit" equivalent on CVS?
Also, wouldn't the second Manifest run "fix" the missing digest commit?
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hing on archives? How
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4-data which weighs in at nearly 7GB to install. I'm
pretty sure that games-strategy/nwn-data is pretty close with USE="hou
sou" enabled. ;]
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I rescind my "dibs" since mine is more powerful. I just want to
be able to have decent video so I can do games on IA64. As you know, my
Itanium box is a server without AGP and with only PCI-X (so PCI video is
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rely presenting some topic for discussion on
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at it gives people an excuse to
argue about even the biggest piece of junk being added to our tree or
supported, as if we have to, to give them the "choice". Instead, I
prefer the concept of empowering the user to make their own choices,
where they can choose to add anything that they w
t; Never heard of it
I'd like to see the answers to this one, but I have a feeling that
everybody has a love/hate relationship with this. They either love it,
or they hate it. I also tend to think that *many* people have an
opinion on the Installer without ever even using it. As such, I don't
think that we'd get any usable results out of this, but it'll still be
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associated with the release or the
> latest available snapshot or other?
> - Do you use a Gentoo derivative? (give a list with an other option)
What features do you think are lacking on Gentoo install media? (free
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On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 00:40 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 11 January 2008, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > For one, a way to mark a profile as deprecated in profiles.desc so
> > repoman doesn't scan it (currently, we remove tend to remove them from
> > the list).
(Didn't really have anything specific to reply to, so just picking this)
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 05:39 +, Steve Long wrote:
> Mr McCormick
Ehh, Ferris and I resolved our issues after a couple emails and just a
little time to chill out.
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would
be stacked with the in-tree one). The main problem with doing this has
been the effect on repoman, since it scans every listed profile every
time. I know that most of the profile selection tools out there already
only show profiles that are listed in profiles.desc, so it wouldn't
real
are of course, more
> than welcome.
Feel free to ask me any questions that you have along the way. I tried
to make publishing the GWN easier, but I still didn't get nearly as much
accomplished as I had wished.
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s it'll save a little bit
of time for the person doing the GWN and also it'll make sure you don't
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On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 07:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:33:40 -0800
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is why I find it funny that people even bother to listen to
> > Ciaran, at all. All he cares about is his little pet projec
your signature?
Are you speaking on behalf of pubs? Beer? Maybe mouths?
(Yes, you can quickly see just how asinine the assumption is...)
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huge
> disservice to everyone.
Well, I wasn't really saying that it wouldn't end up in the stages.
More that by moving it into the sub-profiles, it allows people to choose
a profile where it isn't in "system" anymore. Of course, most of this
is rather moot consider
bout
Chrissy and my relationship, yet you make your assumptions. Keep on
assuming. I really couldn't care less.
It's this exact form of double standard and using things only when they
fit what you want that keeps things from actually getting done,
especially when they're untrue or bas
one know what other distro conventions are in use out there ?
Well, RH/RHEL/Fedora/CentOS/Mandrake/Mandriva all use /etc/localtime
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le at the detriment of 99.9% of the people out there makes no sense
> at all.
Well, openssh has always been questionable. Sure, *I* think it should
be on any Gentoo system I'd want to touch, but it really isn't necessary
for a lot of people. Moving this to, say, the "
is mostly done.
[1] http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/killmips.sh
[2] http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/mips_to_testing.patch
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tegory.
Yes, hard numbers are always misleading, especially when they show that
the entire team is barely active, at all, and only one of those people
is doing *any* mips work.
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RelEng: work on catalyst/genkernel, no further plans
PR: no clue, looks like nothing
Trustees: I retired as a Trustee since there's not much point without a
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On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 20:50 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti:
> > On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:59:29 -0800
> > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> The issue that was raised is that certain arch teams are incapable of
> >> ke
is little pet projects/teams and doesn't
care if it increases workload for everybody else. I mean, where would
Gentoo be if not for our support of mips? Oh dear, we'd definitely be
nowhere near as popular... *cough*
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ppy, no?
>
> Everyone except the users, who end up with pages and pages of horrible
> Portage output...
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On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 18:56 +0100, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > I have foo 1.0, which is mips. There is foo 2.0, which is stable
> > everywhere else. The foo 1.0 ebuild does not conform to current ebuild
> > standards. I want to commit changes to foo 2
7;s stable tree
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s unable to back it up, then yes, it definitely does matter. I'm just
making sure that people are aware of the situation, as you like to
portray yourself as important to the Gentoo project, when the project
has deemed you as not important and forcibly removed you. Thanks for
playing, but yo
on as any arches *were* mentioned, everybody was talking about the
same one. It's rather funny that everybody seems to have the exact same
impression of what architecture might be a slacker and would be affected
by this. I wonder why that is?
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out what the hell I did to you to make
you feel like you need to personally attack me every step of the way,
but I'm not putting up with it, anymore.
I'm adding Developer Relations to this email and will be filing a formal
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nion isn't very important to the much
of the current developer pool, seeing as how it doesn't affect you in
any way, having been thrown from the project, and all.
Now, if you have something possibly constructive to add to this
conversation, as a user, feel free, but don't pretend
t; > problem.
>
> That's an interesting assertion. Can you back it up?
Sure. You can, too. Just look at bugs. If you think I'm taking the
time to do it to justify my statements to YOU, you're sorely mistaken.
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esigned to curb or prevent
bad behavior, where DevRel's job is to prevent bad behavior from
recurring, or taking disciplinary action when necessary for repeat
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>
> Probably would be useful to separate DEPEND and RDEPEND base systems. So
> things like gcc would only be needed for the DEPEND part.
Be careful with this one. Lots of things end up linking with libstdc
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ime. Implicit dependencies waste
more time than pretty much anything else. Almost all circular
dependency issues we currently have are due to implicit dependencies.
Also, several things have been added either to system or (more commonly)
packages.build, to try to work around these deficiencie
ly can't be that many people
who actually care if nobody even notices when *system* breaks.
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up for the people who don't understand
this as well as you do.
This is especially true since you've been pretty much the main proponent
for keeping things as they are with these slack arches. I mean, if
vapier can maintain arm/sh/s390, by himself, to a better degree than the
mips *TEAM* can
on is useless in this
case, as *his* work flow is not affected. As such, I think we can
simply just ignore him.
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On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 04:32 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:20:18 -0800
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No offense to anyone, but holding back hundreds of developers and
> > thousands of users for a handful of developers
>
> .
pable of maintaining stable KEYWORDS in a timely
manner, why should we care about them, again?
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thing to change, the package
maintainers will want to make things easier on themselves. This is to
be expected. We elect the Council for a reason. Making decisions like
this is one of them. Let's let them do their job and follow their
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On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 05:53 +, Steve Long wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> >> branding: Enable Gentoo specific branding
> >> [questionable, as used for splashes/shortcuts/artwork]
> >
> > Well, my personal opinion here is that we should enable t
at be? We've already ruled out purple, brown
> and yellow, and no-one has yet found any other colour of paint.
Any chance we can back on, you know, the actual topic, rather than these
useless analogies?
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or branding or
optional Gentoo-specific minor config changes. Also, it can still be
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On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 02:59 +0100, Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
> I have attached an updated patch.
Thanks, Daniel. The patch has been applied.
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On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 13:22 -0700, Joe Peterson wrote:
> (Sorry for the previous reply to announce..)
Let me take this opportunity to remind people to set a reply-to when
sending anything to gentoo-dev-announce so people replying will reply to
the proper place.
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beginning, the thread/discussion would have been over. This is exactly
what people mean when they say that they feel that you are not
participating in discussions fairly. It's like you specifically hold
back information that you know and bait people into saying things simply
so you call put ou
o
completely screw over a *huge* number of our users. I am just trying to
point this out and hopefully get discussion going on how to utilize
these great new features without potentially causing damage to our
user's machines and our reputation.
I still think that EAPI should not be allowed t
ly
EAPI=* functions need to be "hidden" behind EAPI.
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n't likely be having this conversation, though you and I know the
functional meaning of the two words in that context are nearly
identical. This is mostly the case with words with multiple meanings,
where non-native speakers might not know all of the alternate meanings
and can misinterpret
etitive error messages of
> that plenty could be seen at least as a documentation bug.
Which should be filed as a bug report or sent to the gentoo-doc list.
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, another welcome to Dawid, and his feti--er, enthusiasm--for tall
> trees! (What do you use to tame trees, anyway? Somehow, whips--mmm,
> whips!--wouldn't seem to do the job.) :)
Welcome (again) Dawid!
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Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Tea
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