[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: games-fps/ut2004-domain2049

2006-11-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
It's broken. There's a supposed fix, but many people say the fix doesn't work for them. Upstream has been gone forever. Anyway, I'm removing it December 10th unless someone else wants to fix the problems with it *and* port it to the games-mods eclass. -- Chris Gianelloni

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 01:10 +0100, Marien Zwart wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 04:37:39PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Well, we specifically didn't allow a "*" setting because of this. > > Ah, I missed that. Thanks. > > > Perhaps we should make it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
accept it. It'll simply > tell the package manager whether it can consider certain packages or not. > Once the package manager can do so, it can go ahead and actually display > the license for agreement if the package is actually merged. Nope. The goal is for check_license to go awa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
an go ahead and actually display > > the license for agreement if the package is actually merged. > > > > Maybe it should be called ACCEPTABLE_LICENSES. How about ACCEPTABLE_KEYWORDS, too? *roll eyes* Seriously folks, the variable is to indicate that you accept a license.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
> > Now, I ask everyone to go read the bug before posting any more > > comments, since most of this has been discussed quite a bit there, > > and doesn't need to be rehashed. > > I didn't realise there was a bug (#152593) - I was responding to the > posting of

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ound. So, to answer your question, no. There is no way defined in the GLEP to completely ignore all licensing, which matches what is currently in the tree. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trust

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_LICENSE revisited

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ses (could automate that with a postsync hook I guess) and use that in > > ACCEPT_LICENSE. > > in other words, your only proposed solution is a hack ? No, the only proposed solution is one that *we* don't provide. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
it take to maintain such a tree and how much use would "normal" users get out of it, as opposed to "enterprise" users? I'm thinking of releasing a tarball for a "release tree" next time around, just to see how it flies. The main question I have is whether we&#

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
est in the idea, I'll start working on it some more. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
eing stable, and the current tree becoming test/release candidate. Anything marked stable in the current tree would be a candidate for stable in the next release tree. Users who want to use the current portage tree get what they want. Users who want a more stable tree get what they want. Basically, everyone (hopefully) is happy, or at least as happy as we can feasibly make them. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ially only those interested in supporting the tree are required to work on it. The tree is created entirely by scripts and is tested *before* it's released on the public. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Fou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
updating.) What were you expecting that we would do? > Would that help in terms of having say, up to date GUI packages, or is it > just easier to use overlays? I have no desire to support any packages that weren't in the original tree. If you want something we aren't providing,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
l give you an idea, based only on what we release, though. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
care. As I said, I am working on this concept as an experiment. It is being done by Release Engineering. We aren't really *asking* anyone for their opinion. We're simply stating what we plan on working on and will be asking people who *want* to participate to do so. Anyone not intere

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 16:01 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 11/29/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As of this release, I kept a copy of all of the distfiles for the entire > > release, and can make a DVD of it, on request. This fulfills our > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaneres

2006-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
d like to shoot for a meeting on the 17th sometime. Please RSVP via > the [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias if that works for you. Just curious, but why? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-sources-2.4 needs a maintainer

2006-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:30 -0500, Daniel Drake wrote: > Please mention this in the next GWN. Will do. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-12-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ate meant the dependencies needed updating too. Again, > that'd need automating, so we're talking about checking the tree in both > directions (dependencies and dependants in my terms, sorry if I'm using the > words wrongly.) Why does it need automating? We generally don&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-12-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
rity updates from GLSAs :P Actually, we would have to review the process, since not everything that gets a security bug ends up with a GLSA. My current loose rule is that if it deserves a GLSA, then it deserves and update, but I don't know the exact criteria the security team uses to decide if s

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev coldplugging and /etc/init.d/modules

2006-12-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
detect and load modules? Basically, is there a way to emulate the old behavior of the "coldplug" init script? This would be very useful for our LiveCD builds, since we've lost the ability to do "nohotplug" on the command line to disable cold plugging. -- Chris Gianellon

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev coldplugging and /etc/init.d/modules

2006-12-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
times where coldplug tried to load a driver that caused problems for the user, and being able to disable that driver being loaded has allowed them to continue to boot. With a coldplug that cannot be disabled arbitrarily, we cannot do this. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-10 23:59 UTC

2006-12-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
l ideally go out around 01h00 every Monday morning, in > time for each week's GWN.) Exactly how does it work? Does it just look for new ChangeLog files? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Found

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-17 23:59 UTC

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
om the list are correct, so what is the attachment? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-17 23:59 UTC

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 08:47 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 23:20 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed > > from the tree, for the week ending 2006-12-17 23h59 UTC. > > So what is rig

[gentoo-dev] New packages, but why?

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
dy sys-apps/pcsc-ase-iiie-drv which handles both the USB and Serial versions of this hardware. Is there something else I am missing? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signatu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-17 23:59 UTC

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
11 Dec 06 Donnie Berkholz Package: Removal date: Contact: games-fps/ut2004-domain2049 12 Dec 06 Chris Gianelloni -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation si

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-17 23:59 UTC

2006-12-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ith HOMEPAGE or DESCRIPTION is that they are version specific > and there is no way to choose which version to pick in the case where > more than one version was added at the same time. As a compromise, how about having the package names link to their packages.gentoo.org page? -- Chris

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-wireless/ipw2100 and net-wireless/ipw2200

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
re, it might be a bad idea to remove them just yet. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking GPL-incompatible linkage?

2006-12-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
't necessarily optimal, but it is the current best solution that we have and it'll match up with our other packages. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Gentle reminder about ChangeLog entries on profiles

2007-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
at profiles/default-linux/amd64/ChangeLog. You can use echangelog, which works perfectly fine. Being unable to easily track changes in profiles makes Release Engineering (and arch teams) cry, so please add a ChangeLog entry, or we'll sick Jeff and the goats on you. Thanks, -- Chris Giane

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentle reminder about ChangeLog entries on profiles

2007-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 12:20 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:27:50AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Most of the profiles under default-linux have a ChangeLog at the > > architecture level. If you make *any* changes to a profile, you should >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-01-07 23:59 UTC

2007-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
hon, feel free. I'd *love* to have a single script that worked for the whole thing. Thanks, -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentle reminder about ChangeLog entries on profiles

2007-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:40 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 12:20 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > Just wondering, any objections if we add ChangeLogs at the rest of the > > levels in profiles? Would esp. be useful for some of the more global > > cha

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites for games-action/d1x

2007-01-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
# Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (09 Jan 2007) # This has been dead upstream for close to eternity and is broken with GCC 4.x. # Use games-action/d1x-rebirth instead. This will be removed on (09 Feb 2007). games-action/d1x -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentle reminder about ChangeLog entries on profiles

2007-01-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ike > thirdpartymirrors, use{,.local}.desc, updates/, desc/ would benefit from > ChangeLogs, for people that have them from rsync, instead of CVS. Well, I've added a ChangeLog to profiles... If there's any objections from anyone, they can feel free to remove it, or something. -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LCD_DEVICES to USE_EXPAND

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
re not keyworded for all arches? Yes. After all, they *may* be keyworded on any arch. It isn't like the hardware/software *can't* run on those arches. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
not completely asinine? Besides, if I want to maintain some nasty application that doesn't work with sandbox, who are you (or anyone, for that matter) to tell me that I cannot? Hell, we could even *not* have sandbox/userpriv in the default ACCEPT_RESTRICT, since they have possible security impli

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 19:06 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: > Chris Gianelloni napsal(a): > > Uhh... you missed RESTRICT=userpriv and the upcoming RESTRICT=unattended > > when calling for no "ACCEPT_RESTRICT"... > > Don't see how's userpriv related here; also

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
"Always do what I say. I'd rather not install the package if it doesn't work with $FEATURE." which could be solved with ACCEPT_RESTRICT. It gives the power back to the user, not the ebuild writer. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-sources-2.4 needs a maintainer (a real one)

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:47 -0500, Daniel Drake wrote: > Please mention this in the next GWN. I don't always read every post of every thread. In the future, send such requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be sure I'll actually see it before making up the GWN. Thanks, -- Chris Giane

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
't have the patience to continue discussing this without getting quite hostile. The only thing I can possibly gather from this is you're intentionally being fucking dense, so it's not worth my time. How is it that you can ignore half an email and only respond to something out of conte

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
the user does. Adding ACCEPT_RESTRICT allows the user to not list userpriv (or -userpriv if userpriv is on by default) and the ebuild WILL NOT RUN if it requires userpriv be disabled. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Fou

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
t we think we can accomplish to test out the idea of Council-driven projects. Thanks in advance! -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a

RE: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
gt; From: Simon Stelling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:24 PM > To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects... > > I like the idea. Something really useful I could think of is *drums* > > the implementation

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: app-admin/livecd-ng

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
Well, we've replaced this with catalyst, there's been no movement on it for 4 years now, "upstream" has abandoned it, and Release Engineering wants no part in it. It's been maintainer-needed for who knows how long. If someone doesn't step up in 30 days, it

[gentoo-dev] New profiles/ChangeLog

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
There's a ChangeLog file in profiles/ChangeLog now. Please use it when making changes to things in profiles/*... Thanks, -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signatur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Abusing RESTRICT={no,}userpriv (was [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT)

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
es-fps/quakeforge > games-rpg/wastesedge No clue. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Re: profile changelogs

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ther suggestions or ideas. I just think this is probably the easiest for the time being. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Abusing RESTRICT={no,}userpriv (was [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT)

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
quakeforge > > > games-rpg/wastesedge > > > > They have to be able to read /usr/games/lib. > > Wouldn't it be more sensible, then, to add /usr/games/lib to > SANDBOX_READ or whatever is the appropriate variable? It has nothing to do with the sandbox. It'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Abusing RESTRICT={no,}userpriv (was [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT)

2007-01-14 Thread Chris Gianelloni
h case adding the portage user to the games group seems overall > to be a better solution than requiring root privileges to build. Sure, and it means getting every single user that merges games to change their systems. It's possible, but something that would take a very long time to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add midi useflag to base profile defaults

2007-01-24 Thread Chris Gianelloni
sn't cause extra dependencies to be pulled into the other projects (which is sounds like it won't) then base should be fine. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for February

2007-02-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 01:06 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > Reply-to I've already completed this, I just haven't figured out exactly where it needs to be committed. I'm guessing somewhere in the developer handbook. Anyway, where should I send this so it'll be done? File a bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
y, Roy can work on whatever he wants how he wants, just like any of the rest of us. Anyone who doesn't like it can simply fork the project, or even create a new project to replace the functionality provided by this package. It happens all the time. I seem to remember it happening with this

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
to try to convince Roy to not do it. I'm sure he takes large monetary bribes. Otherwise, shut your pie hole or fork the current baselayout yourself. Anything else is just you trying to control what Roy does with his completely volunteer time, which is about as likely as me flying a cheese

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion

2007-02-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
lasses and functions into something more static. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New network config for baselayout-ng

2007-02-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 02:10 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 08 February 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > He's not "screwing up" anything. He's making changes he wishes as the > > author and maintainer of the package. If someone doesn't like it,

Re: [gentoo-dev] punt raidtools and move people to mdadm

2007-02-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
is mdadm.conf 100% compatible with /etc/raidtab? I've only minimal familiarity with mdadm on Red Hat, and Anaconda/Kickstart does all the heavy lifting for me, so I've not used it much. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games

Re: [gentoo-dev] punt raidtools and move people to mdadm

2007-02-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 08:58 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 12 February 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > If we're going to do this, should we do it before the 2007.0 snapshot, > > so people don't have raidtools disappear out from under them on their > > ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] mask and force various profile specific USE flags

2007-02-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
h changes to their profiles shoot me a .diff for it? I'd like to include this in the release snapshot so it's already done on new installs. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Truste

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: reduce conflicts, separate keywording from ebuilds

2007-02-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
most of the commits. Go back and look at who those people are, they're the same people that work on *multiple* architectures. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
even though portage/pkgcore may not? Isn't the *point* of this spec to try to bring everyone on the same page? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Descri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
everything support it. The contents itself I leave to more capable hands. I'll be reviewing it when it is released, but that's only just to assist in the process. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ld try our best to make it as close to perfect as we can before we try forcing the differing implementations to use it. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: EAPI spec (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
who to add, if you require the help. The point being that manpower should not be the limiting factor here in getting this done when there are numerous people who are familiar enough with portage and want to to help. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI spec (was Re: Re: let's clear things up (was Slacker archs))

2007-02-22 Thread Chris Gianelloni
rkless installs Essentially, as you go to the right down the stack, things get more specific and adds more USE flags. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] custom-cflags global USE

2007-02-23 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ailure using -ffast-math instead, then I'd say go for it. Patches are always a better solution than workarounds. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Des

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] mask and force various profile specific USE flags

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
se them for the release itself. They should be quite simple, at least for "default-linux" and its children. I'm putting in everything that is currently in the tree into my multi-parent profile group. Since I don't have to make any changes to the current profiles, it can live

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-02-25 23h59 UTC

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 18:09 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Something is wrong with this list (there are some other removals I know > took place that do not seem to be listed). > > Please ignore while I trace why. DAMN YOU!!! Heh... just kidding. -- Chris Gianelloni Release

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: What do you think about removing gtk-1.2 theme engines from tree?

2007-02-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
small set of themes, they should be included #2. The themes are made by Gentoo For anything else, let the user download what they want and use it as they see fit. There's not much reason to track them in the package manager. That being said, I'm not opposed to the themes staying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
asked for it, we're going to pursue other options. We can't control PMS< but we also don't have to sit around and do nothing to reach the Council's goal of an approved specification for EAPI=0, a goal which I believe some people lost sight of some time ago. -- Chris Gianello

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
out 5 actually helping *at all*), the chances of a project such as nightly builds ever taking off is well beyond our means at this time. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
y much dropped by the previous trustees. The current trustees are working on a better solution to this, but are currently focused more on reincorporation in a friendlier state for our project. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 16:56 +, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:20:48 -0500 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The EAPI=0 document was supposed to be a QA project. What it is now, > > I have no idea. > > A QA subproject wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 17:49 +0100, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > I have no plans on releasing *any* kind of nightly *anything* so > > long as Release Engineering still gets minimal testi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: Various packages, see inside

2007-03-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
me to produce the "Last Rites" (which is done by hand). Perhaps when I get more help and more time, we can switch, but for now, I'm sticking with chronological order. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Memb

Re: [gentoo-dev] comments on how flamewars are handled elsewhere

2007-03-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
use your reply button on an existing thread, even if you change the topic, it still appears under the old thread. When starting a new thread, use a new mail, not a reply mail. That's all he meant. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing D into the tree

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 15:32 +0530, Anant Narayanan wrote: > redistribution which means we would need RESTRICT="nomirror". RESTRICT="mirror" please... "nomirror" is deprecated and will go away at some point in the future. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineeri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Client-serve flags (again ;) (was Re: New eclass: gkrellm-plugin)

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ntil that time, we should really be building both client and server for *all* packages. The *only* reason one should not be doing this is if they're following the definition of minimal, or it is not possible to build both the client and the server at the same time. -- Chris Gianelloni

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Client-server flags (again ;) (was Re: New eclass: gkrellm-plugin)

2007-03-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ith no complaints. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with only a "server" USE flag, but I'd still prefer things were held off until USE-based dependencies. If we did decide on a USE=server flag, then it should also likely have USE=dedicated merged with it so there'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Something positive! (was Re: Client-serve flags (again ;))

2007-03-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
that does what I want and also helps me track when I experience bugs that might be portage-related. Great job guys! -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
uild:43: > games-strategy/boson/boson-0.13.ebuild:44: Done. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
the mails, right? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 09:34 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:28:50 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 07:30 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > > > banning/suspending a user from a mailing list. They w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
;] > As for -dev you're right. But again the proposal is so vague it only mentions > "Gentoo's official communication infrastructure". I take this to mean all > mailing lists, forums, IRC. So in my eyes it will affect general users as > well. I look at anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 14:38 +, Duncan wrote: > Perhaps if infra doesn't want to hassle read-only mode and prefers a full > mail ban, mention could be made of gmane for those who wish to continue > read-only access. I think we'd point people to http://archives.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
about this, then? EVERYTHING with gentoo.org or #gentoo-* in it? Is that good enough? (Looking forward to the day when we don't have to be so damned pedantic in everything that we write.) -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Develope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
should be rather well-behaved in that aspect. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
o continually rectify my shortcomings, will leave the responses for others who are more eloquent than myself to write. Have a good day everyone. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
back to its core of being a *development* list, that many of the flames would die down to an acceptable level. Thank you for your insight, Daniel! -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
eived benefit we would gain. > http://www.pkgcore.org/ if you want to see the other other package manager, > written by one of the (core?) portage devs. Apparently it's where a ex-portage devs (just to clarify) -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 A

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ised the code to read differently. You should check it out at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml to see how it has changed. Also, we are planning on reviewing it again prior to the next meeting. I suggest that people take suggestions/comments on the current incarnation on the gentoo-counc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Summary for 15 March 2007 special council meeting on CoC

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
moderator/operator). Since the next Council elections aren't before the next Council meeting, this should work out just fine. ;] Basically, the chain goes like this: local moderators/operators -> proctors -> Council -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Summary for 15 March 2007 special council meeting on CoC

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
a are "staff" and eligible for the Council. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
nly Gentoo must be the most popular distribution on the planet! -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
as a joke. It shows that the distrowatch "ranking" means absolutely nothing but the number of times somebody(s) clicked on a link. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation si

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.20 to go stable in 1-2 weeks

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
had in 2006.1, as there comes a time when we simply can't wait for bugs to get fixed anymore if we ever plan on releasing, and we're already *way* behind the schedule that we wanted to release under. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architec

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/sim contains icons/sounds in source tarball with unclear licensing.

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
nd exclude this icons sounds from tarball? Or > may be RESTRICT fetch it enough to solve the problem? RESTRICT=fetch would cover it for you. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
e're discussing here. What is being discussed is the actual development support infrastructure, such as our repositories, bug tracker, etc. That being said, I don't know our current mirror needs, but http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/source_mirrors.xml probably has the answers you are seeking.

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.20 to go stable in 1-2 weeks

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
lf and two staff I can use to assist > with this, but someone needs to point us in the right direction. - a back-ported fix needs to be made and marked stable - a newer (working) headers needs to go stable And it needs to happen *yesterday* since it means we have to go back and redo a bunch

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
uld try teaching people GuideXML, I'm not sure if it would be a valuable expenditure of time. That is, unless you're volunteering to teach it. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gento

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