;t a
handholding distro and we can't make it one. Do the warnings and
RESOLVED/PEBKAC or whatever if people can't read them. People will
either learn to read, or they'll go elsewhere, and eventually it'll no
longer be the sort of problem it is today, due to gentoo tryin
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something coherent (triggered by this thread, IIRC), but discovered I
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Michael Orlitzky posted on Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:22:10 -0500 as excerpted:
> On 01/24/2013 08:39 PM, Duncan wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, my vote is for a NON-FATAL pkg_pretend warning. That gets
>> run at the beginning when people are still likely to be watching, so
>> sho
e watching, so should
be good enough. Beyond that, gentoo can't keep the obtuse from ignoring
the warnings, so if it breaks they get to keep the pieces, and RESOLVED/
READTHEWARNINGS to any resulting bugs.
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months, but soon enough, we should have far fewer bugs of that sort,
as people will have learned.
And yes, that may seem a rather harsh policy. But gentoo was attracting
users in droves back then and was a seriously up and coming distro. Now
look at it. We have are nitch, yes, but we're
l-emerge-
jobs limitations on @system and its deps, many packages of which are
piddly little things that kept portage running alone at <1.00 load
average on a six-core!
So the smaller the set of profile-enabled USE flags and the smaller the
@system set, the better, and a minimal profile that
not this check be added to eclass? Or eclass does not
> know about type of merged package?
AFAIK, binpkgs are a PM-specific feature that isn't managed by PMS. As
such, eclasses and ebuilds officially must remain binpkg agnostic,
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I'm done with that, I'll take a look at the rest and see...
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oved from
base to desktop. That way, it'll still be defaulted on for desktop where
most people will want it, but won't appear in the new base, thus
eliminating the pollution for people unlikely to care about it, there.
And the only possibility for breakage will be with the profile u
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is the list).
Which would put us back where we started, since that pre-council-decision
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ou're better off with something like:
>emerge -a1 `eix --only-names -IC qt`
FWIW, I have a qt set here. I don't have it listed in world_sets as all
my qt package installs are deps and I want to keep it that way, but it
sure makes remerging them easier when I need to remerge them al
Ben de Groot posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:14 +0800 as excerpted:
> On 20 January 2013 00:48, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> *** (VERY strongly!) Please avoid namespace pollution! Don't drop the
>> hyphenated qt-pkg names. As a user, most of the time
rational/cultural thing. "The
tablet generation" and "the smartphone generation" are rather more likely
to find the idea of simply assuming that everyone with a computer/tablet/
smartphone also has a bulky/balky printer... rather quaint.
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rather quaint and
anachronistic, sort of like references to ip-chains or xfree86 do today.
So my vote would be for dev-qt/qt-*. Yes, that's a doubled qt reference
with the category, but in practice, few use the category name unless they
have to anyway, and it sure beats the namespace po
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:04:50 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect
>> and value your volunteer work, but suppose
eneral...
It occurs to me that this might be more appropriately answered on your
blog (I get the feed), but since it came up here, I might as well ask
here. Answer here or there or not at all, your call, but it's something
I've wondered occasionally when I've seen "pay me
l sets, either. The
world file is thus a very convenient middle ground. =:^)
2b) I somehow made a mistake, and something ended up in world that
shouldn't have. (Due to my longstanding alias usage, this case has so
far been entirely theoretical; I've not made that mistake since the
introd
g up the point before, I was hoping
someone would post the gentoo style-guide link proving me wrong, if there
was one. Given that nobody did so, I still believe it to be "he who
codes, decides" territory.)
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less like the package version of a 404 error,
explaining that for this package upstream is dead, so as the distributor,
we're now the homepage, that would distinguish this case from proper
gentoo projects and avoid this question coming up occasionally as it
seems to, but...)
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> On 09/01/2013 13:20, Duncan wrote:
>> Are the git migration blockers at such a point that we can get an ETA
>> yet?
>
> PLEASE ALL STOP DETOURING EVERY DAMN TOPIC OUT THERE WITH THE GIT
> MIGRAT
(or notify folks thinking about
running for the next council that it happen that term, so they maybe
should consider it when they run). But my feel is it's at least not
close enough for the first yet, tho maybe the second... or is it?
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you'd deal with
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need to keep that
> info around.
What about two licenses, BSD, and BSD-no-sources? The second license
file would simply note at the top that there's no source available, but
the license is BSD, with the BSD license underneath the note.
That would allow the first to be included in @FR
admin had plenty of warning already, via the USE flag change itself.
> Fortunately,
> that was on my netbook, and I was able to Google the solution on my
> desktop machine... http://en.spontex.org/forum/thread/561/1/ I'm
> posting a heads up on the user list.
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what it was designed
for, to notify people about this sort of thing ahead of time. =:^)
(Examples I've seen recently of people's emerge output noting X news
items unread aside. If they can't even read NEWS items... and still
choose to use gentoo... well there's that saying ab
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ith the gentoo ebuild tree, the kernel tree, or ccache, which to me
ARE caches, while my binpkg dir isn't.
But I set the vars myself so what the defaults are isn't a big deal, here.
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Michael Mol posted on Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:09 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Matt Turner
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> My point is that you consistently write
Matt Turner posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:29:09 -0800 as excerpted:
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
> Do you realize that you just wrote a two-and-a-half page single-spaced
> thousand-word email? Seriously, this is way
in the definition of "locally generated" has been
missed entirely. I know I missed it. But, if internet downloads
triggered by running a local app don't qualify as "generated as a result
of time-consuming I/O", what other I/O-basis generated files DO qualify
as c
cy could be debated either way, but it DOES need to
be discussed, and the general inactivity retirement policy should be
updated to reflect the actual decision, whatever it may be.
And... perhaps that policy in general needs a reexamination.
Regardless, it's possible that the "nastygra
rely separate machine, which its own copy of the same /l aka /usr/
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/var/cache/portage vs. /var/portage ... if people have strong feelings
about it, they'll move it anyway, so /whatever/ the default, even
something as insane as the path suggested to make the point above, it's
simply not worth having a coronary (or incinerating opposition with a
flaming stare) over.
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kely post the patches.
The bug had idled for near two years until I just CCed myself.)
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Markos Chandras posted on Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:44:23 + as excerpted:
> Nowadays, I use google docs ( and I am also open to g+ and skype
> interviews as well ). So IRC is not an absolute requirement.
Thanks. Good to know.
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Zac Medico posted on Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:31:24 -0800 as excerpted:
> On 12/17/2012 09:59 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> [1] I long ago filed a bug suggesting a new world-sets line for
>> depclean,
>> but I expect it'll be resolved/fixed about the time sets support
>> fin
ful in its own right since it parallels the adaption to an
existing work environment that an employee (and for that matter,
volunteer joining a FLOSS project) generally must make, regardless of
whatever github or etc experience they may have already.
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I guess these
are gentoo's Duke Nukem' Forever projects.
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ere's enough of an overage of
recruits that as I said they need a way to weed out a few), I couldn't
have been happy doing it anyway, so it's good I found out before
seriously getting into the quizzes, etc, wasting both my time and that of
the recruiters.
So these days I don
rect on the content itself; anything still mentioning
looking for openings in the weekly newsletter is... anachronistic I think
is the term. Have you checked for and filed if necessary, a bug on that?
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27;s the single specific I've seen that came to mind when I later
read the claim that it's more a matter of gentoo's udev packaging
choices, than of upstream.
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Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:53:41 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +0000, Duncan wrote
>> Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
>>
>>> Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a
>
atch-flow, making the situation worse. If the conditions that triggered
eudev forking don't improve, let it be due to decisions from the OTHER
side, not due to decisions here.
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r
actually dependent on udev-systemd's moderation.
Which way that takes both udev-systemd and eudev remains to be seen, but
I'd /still/ consider it /unfortunate/ if those bugs+patches do appear and
get WONTFIXed, thus, certainly I hope they appear, but just as certainly,
one can HOPE
of one solution
(see xorg/xfree86), or of competing multiple solutions (see emacs/vi or
kde/gnome/xfce/...), over time. Regardless of any temporary angst, I
suppose the same will ultimately apply here. From a third party
perspective, however, some of that angst sure seems unnecessary.
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nd perhaps eventually the deprecation and in a year or
two the final removal of the old profiles, with everything from them then
moved to the new ones).
As long as that's KEPT the only difference...
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. I'm not sure about anything else, as the build
host's PM and support packages could be current gentoo mainline, just the
target some weird corner-case, but again, toolchain folks would know more
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rlay versions at the next six-month bump.) I'm
really looking forward to the day when proper sets support appears in
stable portage, and sets can eliminate the unsorted world list mess for
others just as they have for me. Unfortunately, that looks to be
something of a "bluesky" enhancement bug for stable or even ~arch, but at
least 2.2's there to be unmasked for people who like me have real,
practical use for sets.)
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rious connotations).
Exactly. =:^)
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Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:02:09 -0500 as excerpted:
> On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
>>
>> As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap .
>>
>>
> Does nothing in this case.
It gives the global description, which as I said el
Michał Górny posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:35:45 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:20:07 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted:
>>
>> > And if we force some ty
Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:44:36 -0500 as excerpted:
> On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> So yes, a news item is reasonable as it's arguably part of that "good
>> documentation". But in general, there's something wrong if we&
o be. Paraphrasing Star Trek's Bones, that would be
"Gentoo, Jim, but not as we know it."
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hat have opted-in when there's a known security issue.
If this proves to be a reasonable compromise, it's possible there's other
packages for which it can be used as well.
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ges are allowed to use it. That list could then be
controlled by either the science or QA teams as thought appropriate, thus
strictly limiting the spread of this ordinarily inappropriate practice.
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on library B's *.pc
file, wrongly believing it's provided by upstream, when it's not, thus
screwing up things for all the OTHER distros when they try to build
package A, because it's trying to use a non-existent *.pc file that
library B should have provided, but didn't.
Th
ke that to the users having to adjust their *_TARGETS vars.
That's far less impressive than a bit of inter-package *_TARGETS
inconsistency.
So like someone suggested in an earlier thread on simply changing some
name or other, I take it if we're discussing this, all the REAL bugs are
alrea
OES. Unfortunately,
that's the case with (raw guess) half the USE flag usage out there -- the
gentooer has to actually read the ebuild to see what the flag does /for/
/that/ /package/, even tho the description SHOULD be in metadata.xml,
thus exposed via equery uses, even for global fla
atches, so a bit of delay could be understandable... but I'd
still like to see it in the mozilla overlay at least, even if it's not
considered ready for the tree, even masked. That's the reason I /have/
that overlay setup in layman, after all!)
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l match is used, as opposed to the double-equals pattern match. Of
course either one would work here as it's a trivial pattern, just noting
it for consistency.)
[[ ${GST_LA_PUNT} = yes ]] && prune_libtool_files --modules
But as I said up top, that's (mostly, the pattern
a system where a deliberate choice has been
made to turn kernel module loading functionality off.
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be on its way to being worked out, best I can tell, so
it too seems to have been blown way out of proportion, tho it may well
have been felt that was necessary in ordered to stress the gravity of the
situation. As many find out too late, legal isn't a laughing matter, but
regardless, tha
te.
This is simply reinforcing and underlining the above, only now we're
looking at the upstream level, not the gentoo/distro level.
> So, feel free to offer advice/comments/etc. However, let's keep the
> tone civil. Unless you're their employer, the guys writing the software
> you don't like owe you precisely nothing.
++ on keeping it civil! =:^)
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d on a monolithic kernel gentoo system, a kernel module
loader increases both, trivially sure, but when there's no justifiable
reason for it in the first place...
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herwise useless on my systems kmod as a build-time
dep. package.provided worked for years as a workaround for the module-
init-tools @system dep. And I'd like to get back to not having to have a
module-loader package installed at all, since I don't have any modules to
load anyway.
ated to the new python
eclass/vars? Maybe something EAPI5 related? I'll keep an eye out and
investigate if I see it again.)
Meanwhile, with that ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES=... doesn't seem so bad; I
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ERY long
emerge --pretend --verbose output!
So as a user I'd prefer the shorter if more cryptic ENL_*, which does at
least eliminate the potential confusion of the originally proposed E_*,
while still being short enough to not be horribly annoying when repeated
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there's a bunch of commits between either ORIG_HEAD or new HEAD
and 0.11.4, so I guess even ORIG_HEAD is really 0.12 series even if it
did still say 0.11, which would make 0.11.4 a downgrade for me, but
FWIW...
I'm updating every few days and haven't had any problems with it in
awhile
either already fixed, or at least
someone's aware of and working on the problem.
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ad the two posts I wrote on the topic, which will form a
> basis for the documentation of the tinderbox:
>
> http://goo.gl/SM9Rp http://goo.gl/SF0Dz
FWIW I'm subscribed to your feed and gentoo-planet both, so saw those. I
read/skimmed them, but some of it was beyond me for just r
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:45:27 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 30/10/2012 17:42, Duncan wrote:
>>
>> icu-49.1.2 seems to build just fine against glibc-2.16.0, here. I just
>> rebuilt to be sure. (With gcc-4.7.2.)
>
> I said "1.50+", I&
e-checked, nothing in
/etc/portage/patches or /etc/portage/env, and no overlay ebuild either,
so I'm building straight from tree.
Of course being UTF8.en-US, I don't do anything exotic with unicode
except the occasional web page or net radio or utube/minitube video, but
I've
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:56:11 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 30/10/2012 10:46, Duncan wrote:
>> ... tho I had to remask gnutls-3.1.3 as I experienced some problem
>> (IDR what) with it. But I'm running 3.1.2 without issue.
>> What gnutls-3.1.x are y
t one filed already) if the problem
still exists, or is 3.1.2 good enough?
FWIW, I also recently did a full emerge --empty-tree @world too, so there
shouldn't be any hidden problems lurking around to bite on either
package, at least with my @world and USE flag combo, either.
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Michał Górny posted on Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:50:09 +0100 as excerpted:
> Thank you for all your suggestions, and especially Duncan for wording
> the hardest paragraph for me ;). I've also tried to make the remaining
> ones clearer.
That's clear enough if it were water you could
HON, you don't need to do anything. The defaults will
continue to work just as they have.
The rest of it looks good to me. Extra points for the specific examples,
both of PYTHON_TARGETS and of a suitable command-line to get a list of
all possibilities. =:^)
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pendencies for their actual
> ║ license terms.
> ╙
Useful idea. LGTM.
Thanks to all those working on this. Licenses are important to get
right, but working on them can't be particularly enjoyable. Your work is
appreciated. =:^)
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oint, whereas CIA clearly did that publicly.
Undertakers.
(Watching that and closing unused accounts does keep them from hanging
around to be discovered by the bad guys.)
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el/79499
Old interface:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/79499
It may be that there are further developments, but a read of the old
thread (which you don't appear to have participated in and didn't mention
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resulting process breakdown by allowing direct compound assignments, thus
eliminating the intermediate assignments and their exponential
proliferation.
Thanks again, Brian. Much clearer now, indeed, at least for me, and
presumably for others who previously had the same problem I was having.
=:^)
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#x27;s not entirely trivial, depending upon how you're doing
> resolution.
>
>> Handling of REQUIRED_USE is not perfectly user friendly but it works.
>
> Like a square wheel, yes.
Pentagonal (or at least rounded corners on the square... tho of course
then there's pate
ent, and thus, could result in complaints, which could be
taken thru qa, devrel and ultimately up to council, if the disagreement
couldn't be worked out some other way, before it got to that level.
That's from memory, but I expect if someone bothers to go dig around in
the archives, it'll be found to be reasonably accurate.
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e intermediate var and copying
var methods, without ever saying what that "wrong" might be, in the face
of the experience of many that those existing methods "just work". So if
there's something wrong with them, let's get it out there where people
can see it. And if t
Zac Medico posted on Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:01:49 -0700 as excerpted:
> I've gone ahead and removed them. I can't imagine that it will break
> anything. After the change, all of the ebuilds still have non-empty
> DESCRIPTION metadata.
"And there was much rejoicing in gentoo
broke
when the lines "disappeared". But it's simply easier to go with "don't
fix what's not broken", and just leave it be. Let someone else take that
risk.
But as long as any breakage "magically disappeared" to wherever the
DESCRIPTIONs went, I don
entoo.devel/78813/
Bottom line, I doubt there'd be any complaints if those lines
"disappeared", as long as anything broken in the process equally
magically just "got fixed".
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ts instead of debating what
/could/ happen. Excuse me... =:^)
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Zac Medico posted on Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:34:09 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 09/09/2012 05:59 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> To your knowlege (IOW have you tested) having /etc/make.conf either a
>> symlink to /etc/portage/make.conf or a simple one-line "source
>> /etc/portage/make.co
Duncan posted on Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:59:32 + as excerpted:
> To your knowlege (IOW have you tested) having /etc/make.conf
I apologize for the terrible "sentence" structure (and
spelling "knowledge" or rather practice). Hopefully it's obvious what I
inten
will be trying to support them (and both sets of profiles if the profile
deprecation and upgrade migration method is chosen), will have rather
stronger ideas about the practical cost/benefit ratio of such a change.
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keep old scripts and the like working,
without portage suffering the indigestion at the prospect that it did at
least way back then.
If you haven't tested it and want me to, then file a bug if necessary,
just say so, but it'd be nice to know whether you believe it to be
working now, b
cts new systems and both locations will continue to be
supported. Whether you wish to move the files to their new /etc/portage
location is therefore entirely up to you.
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tle is enough to say what it's about and the body is IMO
just about perfect in terms of info/brevity; in fact, perhaps the best
I've seen, especially for a first draft, so good job!
Now to hash out the profile problem...
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