Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
long-term. Please, until something is clarified/some consent reached, avoid changing the docs w/ funny stuff like "just flip a coin"... http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/handbook/hb-guide-ebuild.xml?root=gentoo&r1=1.31&r2=1.32 What's

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
3.3.2006, 22:19:33, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:47:22 +0100 > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Please, until something is clarified/some consent reached, avoid >> changing the docs w/ funny stuff like "just flip a coin"... &g

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
3.3.2006, 22:51:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 03 March 2006 15:47, Jakub Moc wrote: >> Please, until something is clarified/some consent reached, avoid changing >> the docs w/ funny stuff like "just flip a coin"... > please, get a sense of humor, kthxbye

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
3.3.2006, 22:54:25, Grant Goodyear wrote: >>> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/handbook/hb-guide-ebuild.xml?root=gentoo&r1=1.31&r2=1.32 >>> >>> What's the above again? QA policy? How does user benefit from flipping a >>> coin wrt choosing a functionality? Sigh..

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
3.3.2006, 23:25:13, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:27:45 +0100 > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What kind of point does it get across, exactly? > That you must choose one flag, or set of flags, to take precedence in such > situations, but that

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-03 Thread Jakub Moc
3.3.2006, 23:32:36, Grant Goodyear wrote: > Jakub Moc wrote: >> Erm, how exactly will you find out that you need to recompile that package >> after such extensive build? You'll spend a couple of hours debugging when >> your server app stops working? Yay! :P > I ha

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-04 Thread Jakub Moc
4.3.2006, 2:57:51, Alec Warner wrote: >> The whole argument here is that bailing out with conflicting use flags >> breaks some extensive compiles. So you suppose users will be sitting in >> front of their monitor and stare on the screen waiting for a scary warning? >> No, they won't. And even if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-23 Thread Jakub Moc
ng that thing. If they don't, the bugs end up as invalid b/c the ebuild is not in portage. Easy enough. While keeping those bugs in trac bug trackers seemed as a good idea to me originally, most users are simply unable to do that anyway. We tried w/ php overlay, didn't work much. -- Be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-23 Thread Jakub Moc
s are none of QA's or any other policy business. They are overlays, not official tree. If user installs ebuilds from overlay and breaks his system, then well - not a Gentoo problem. Why should any policies apply? -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http:/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Duncan Coutts wrote: > The way the Haskell team manages this is that we don't tell our end > users about our testing overlay. So we don't get bug reports from them. > We have three outside contributers with write access to the overlay > repo. They make changes in consultation with the team. So we'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:57:07 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Sounds like a perfect way to break lots and lots of systems. Those > | > policies are mostly there for good reason. > | > | You want to apply policies on overlays? We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
e stuff on overlays.g.o.? Weird assumption really... :/ -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signatu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:16:15 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | We get innundated with tons of bogus bug reports every day, overlays > | or not - see the number of invalid/duplicate bugs flowing every days. > | We got a couple of bugs in las

Re: [gentoo-dev] Session/.desktop WM compatibility, DM unification

2006-03-28 Thread Jakub Moc
installs icons to /opt/thunderbird/icons which might seem right but allas nothing can find the icons in there and .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications anyway. There are issues w/ mime-types etc. as well, but this mail is getting long as it is, so leaving that for another one, perhaps.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: who renamed adsl-start to pppoe-start and why

2006-03-31 Thread Jakub Moc
Sven Köhler wrote: > I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds, but well: i > still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe. May I suggest reading the fine handbook? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_chap4 -- jaku

[gentoo-dev] xml2 use flag deprecation - ping (Bug 116346)

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
This is just a friendly reminder that Bug 116346 doesn't seem to be moving much. :P The two months old list seems still almost fully valid. http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=79178&action=view Do we manage to kill the flag? Always good to have one redundant flag less... ;) Thanks. -- ja

[gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
This is a (not-so happy) reminder that the agony of gtk2 use flag will have been lasting for half a year soon. It *really* needs to die. For affected ebuilds, please see the attached list and Bug 106560. Thanks. -- jakub app-crypt/pinentry-0.7.2 app-editors/mp-3.3.12 app-editors/mp-3.3.14 app-

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 02 April 2006 14:22, Olivier Crête wrote: >> On Sun, 2006-02-04 at 13:08 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> On Sunday 02 April 2006 12:05, Jakub Moc wrote: >>>> This is a (not-so happy) reminder that the agony of gtk2 use flag will >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > and if there are no bugs filed ? this sort of stance is like the "lets remove > packages from portage because upstream is dead" ... it benefits no one No bugs filed? Well, just search the archives of this ML, and search bugzilla for all those bugs about portage pulling in

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 02 April 2006 15:34, Jakub Moc wrote: >> Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> and if there are no bugs filed ? this sort of stance is like the >>> "lets remove packages from portage because upstream is dead" ... it >>> benefi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Carsten Lohrke wrote: > I don't see the necessity for devs and users would have to look at the > package.mask file regularly to get the information that a package is masked. > If Portage would be that smart to spit out the relevant information on > emerge --sync, a longer period would probably m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving Gentoo User Relations

2006-04-07 Thread Jakub Moc
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Christopher O'Neill wrote: >> . I notice certain other popular distros are now running GCC4 (and >> have been for some time), yet we are still running 3.4.6 (on ~x86). I >> know it's a lot of work ensuring that all packages compile properly >> with GCC4 and that there are n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-08 Thread Jakub Moc
Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> highly suspect statements >> >> these states are all quite common ... trying to make some kind of >> supposition as to which is the most common is a waste of time > > No. It's my opinion. Respect it, please. You don'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: automatically killing invalid CFLAGS/warning about bad CFLAGS

2006-04-14 Thread Jakub Moc
nd* -fvisibility-inlines-hidden) by default because it bombs out really badly... :) http://groups.google.de/group/linux.gentoo.dev/browse_frm/thread/f43fac917352bb51/5093e84871f08de6?lnk=st More fun: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386 http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/flameeyes/2005/

[gentoo-dev] Purpose of USE=doc

2006-04-25 Thread Jakub Moc
s.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122265 -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
plug_$iface="yes|no" there instead, and use RC_{HOTPLUG,COLDPLUG} in /etc/conf.d/rc for other services only? -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Roy Marples wrote: >> Anyway, what we really need is ability to turn off that coldplug thing >> *completely* on *udev* level and restore some sanity. I really don't >> need to have my TV card coldplugged at the point when /dev is being >> populated by devices (e.g., Bug 130766 or Bug 128962). > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Roy Marples wrote: >> iptables already has "before net", doesn't exactly help. Well, I don't >> need net on boot level first of all and I didn't set it to be launched >> at that runlevel. The runlevel setting gets ignored, however. > > Hmmm, maybe you don't understand then :) > If coldplug adds ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Jakub Moc
out KDE 3.5 (on a quick and definitely incomplete search). The fixed/upstream ones would definitely be well over 100, don't have any good query for that. http://tinyurl.com/rg55l But yeah, you know better, no problems whatsoever. :P -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Jakub Moc
er. Please, read what other people have said and don't waste our time with completely invalid arguments. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-06 Thread Jakub Moc
one, can't be done now and won't be done in future. The whole KDE shebang needs to go stable at once, together with many other non-KDE ebuilds that it depends on. So please, stop wasting limited time of limited number of Gentoo KDE maintainers by beating a dead horse. TIA. -- Best regar

Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

2006-05-19 Thread Jakub Moc
Feel free to write a translation tool for error messages, until then this is a no go... ;) -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D

Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

2006-05-24 Thread Jakub Moc
se bugs should be detected and fixed. > > I disagree. LINGUAS is a Gentoo-specific thing, so is only relevant to > ebuilds. If a package uses LC_* to determine the user's locale > preferences, I see no problem with that. Nope, LINGUAS is not Gentoo-specific, it's p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-25 Thread Jakub Moc
better spectacles? Ah, we just didn't have a pointless flamewar for a long time, right... :S -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-25 Thread Jakub Moc
Luis Medinas wrote: > Jakub is right! Just add the name and the mail of the man and stop > crying. But - it's _already_ _there_ - right on the front page... case closed, let's move on, finally? :=))) -- jakub signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] no need to CONFIG_PROTECT /usr/kde/2/share/config

2006-05-25 Thread Jakub Moc
Please, finally kill this thing from CONFIG_PROTECT in base/make.defaults, we are not Debian... :P Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC Maintainer-Wanted Bugs/Cleaning]

2006-05-29 Thread Jakub Moc
NEEDINFO or whatever you think would be best resolution, there's tons of bugs w/ ebuilds submitted that can't find a maintainer. If you want something in portage, do you homework at least and attempt an ebuild. Just my $0.02... -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC Maintainer-Wanted Bugs/Cleaning]

2006-05-30 Thread Jakub Moc
try to keep an eye out for app-backup and other fields that I'm > involved in. Also, please really close useless cruft when you come across it (see above). -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=

[gentoo-dev] [useflag] firefox : build against firefox instead of mozilla

2006-05-30 Thread Jakub Moc
fox (www-client/kazehakase): Use firefox's Gecko engine. See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96473 as well. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C

Re: [gentoo-dev] Need a use-expanded TV_GRAB variable for xmltv

2006-06-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Simon Stelling wrote: > You forgot to mention which package uses the variable. > Re: [gentoo-dev] Need a use-expanded TV_GRAB variable for xmltv ;) -- jakub signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Need a use-expanded TV_GRAB variable for xmltv

2006-06-04 Thread Jakub Moc
Matteo Azzali wrote: > Repoman considers "lots of local variables" as an error, I was pointed > to expanded vars as a solution. > If no developers has something against I'll be happy to use 28 local > flags > > mattepiu Well uh, no please Don't create 28 local use flags for one ebuild, us

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Jakub Moc
@4u wrote: > After posting and closing the bug report: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135870 > Jakub Moc noticed that the current >=virtual/x11-7.0 ebuild misses its > task and creates trouble. Indeed. To re-iterate here, I'll basically re-paste what I've said o

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Jakub Moc
on it and it can be punted from the tree. On a side note, this virtual also hides potential bugs in ebuilds that already have been ported, you can miss dependencies there if you have already them emerged b/c of the virtual. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: ht

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Jakub Moc
Olivier Crete wrote: > Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a > last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask > the packages that no one cares enough about to port them. Hmmm, not a up2date one, AFAIK... There's a tracker bug http://bugs.gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Jakub Moc
ation ;-) Erm, look at the vmware-server bug (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122500) . It's vastly useless for grabbing any ebuilds, there are ~350 comments and tons of obsolete, yet not marked as such ebuilds, that's why you switched to subversion, right? And it boosted the effectivi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Jakub Moc
nts are essentially useless for most of newcomers and suck for effective development as well. A couple of examples: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24247 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70161 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122500 -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Jakub Moc
uck big time for new ebuilds' development. Or, why did you switch vmware-server work to SVN if bugzilla is *the* place for all this? Apparently it's not all that great, otherwise you wouldn't have done that. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dealing with /var/cache on unmerge

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
a load of temporary and object files > on the filesystem. > > Daniel Already been there and got removed, because it broke emerge -e world for ebuilds that need configured kernel to compile. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.n

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Jakub Moc wrote: >> Olivier Crete wrote: >>> Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a >>> last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask >>> the packages that no one cares enough about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Jakub Moc
> 100% clear to the public that it is unsupported. > > Regards, > Brix So, move it to this.is.unsupported.and.will.blow.your.box.gentoo.org if you feel it will help anybody. I feel it's completely irrelevant, but that's just me. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-13 Thread Jakub Moc
mailing list and bothering Gentoo Council - such as fixing current bugs and cleaning the dead cruft in the tree, or fixing things not yet ported for modular X, or unported for gcc-4.x, or whatever else? Mailing list threads that don't fix one screen resolution suck, you can expect another f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Jakub Moc
't do it or find another tag and get the DTD updated. is being used for assigning bugs, you are using it as a placeholder for something else. Category already tells us that it's a game, don't stick games into unless you actually maintain it. Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Jakub Moc
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:01:04 +0200 > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This new terminology plain sucks. If you are sticking games into >> in metadata.xml, you are just confusing me and other people >> who are assigning bugs.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Jakub Moc
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:21:42 +0200 > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sure... so, perhaps you have some suggestion how I can read assign >> bugs otherwise than using the metadata.xml; perhaps I could learn to >> read minds of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, >> with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the >> maintainers of all packages in the herd. > > this would be useful regardle

[gentoo-dev] eclasses maintainers - raise your hands please

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
While talking about herds etc... Please, stick your addy into the relevant eclass if you are actually a maintainer or at least a person to contact about the given eclass. Examples of eclasses that just let me clueless and digging in the logs when a bug/problem arrives: cvs.eclass - ??? db-use.ecl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > I don't know if this is a really unpopular viewpoint, but for a lot of stuff > I > maintain I put myself as maintainer and the herd I am acting as part of in > herd. My intention there is to say primarily I am taking care of this and > have taken responsibility but if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> >> - same name as herd requirement doesn't work for stuff like >> cron/mysql/postgresql/apache... i.e., system accounts. > > Herd aliases could be named "herd-", perhaps. Current practice for these aliases is -bugs in most of the cases. Examples - apache-bugs, php-bugs, c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > *sigh* Indeed... > No. You've gone and changed the practices we have in place now to make > it more complicated. No, I didn't. If games herd wants any game dumped onto games herd, then do it. Most other people probably don't want unknown stuff dumped on them. > Say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 17:43 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: >>> Say it with me. >>> >>> Herd == packages >>> Team == people >> There's no such thing like in metadata.xml, that's what we've >> been talking ab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-15 Thread Jakub Moc
s on such monster bug and watch the resulting huge bugspam landing in bug-wranglers and other people's mailboxes, it's extremely annoying, extremely messy and generally not a good way to things fixed. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subk

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: New build types

2008-03-18 Thread Jakub Moc
Steve Long napsal(a): How do others feel about such an addition? http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_a450013b143e01a25810f66ff345c9d4.xml -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Pri

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Jakub Moc
ll ebuilds. Will just do more harm than good. I've seen a major decline of this type of bugs since the gtk/gtk2 mess got more or less sorted out, we shouldn't repeat past mistakes. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
hat proclaimed themselves empowered to decide on acceptable bugzilla usage. There's no technical difference between using bugzilla for unofficial java migration overlay hosted on gentooexperimental.org and using it for unofficial overlay hosted on gentoo-sunrise.org (and even usage of keywords and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
t be any issue if devrel didn't act the way they did, the matter has not been urgent at all. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
So... sunrise has been suspended, moved to it's own domain, moved to non-gentoo hardware - and some people still are not satisfied and need to find something to annoy the bunch of people working on it. And, as there's not much left, they take something really childish and ridiculous, such

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:50 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > Perhaps it is a few developers trying to actually enforce the council's > decision and make sure that the 100% unofficial project doesn't *look* > official. Using "InOverlay" as i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Jakub Moc
three years, to give any third party, for a charge >>> no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution <<<, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] IMPORTANT: bugs performance issues

2006-07-06 Thread Jakub Moc
Curtis Napier wrote: > Lance Albertson wrote: >> Please thank GNI for helping us out! They really deserve a lot for >> helping us :). >> >> Thanks- >> >> [1] http://www.gni.com/ >> > > > Thank you GNI! > > > mmm blade cluster > > Yay, *plop* !!! (And no, tsunam - no compiling there :

Re: Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags)

2006-07-08 Thread Jakub Moc
71 [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106965 I don't really see how is this a good idea to break two pretty critical packages for users that have no clue what USE=vanilla does w/ gcc. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:1137

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-09 Thread Jakub Moc
4.x *is* required. That versions (or later) is *stable* everywhere where xine-lib is stable. > Try reading the bug - users are basically being shoved off with an > arrogant silence and a stamp on their forehead saying INVALID. > > Nothing personal against Jakub Moc who probably has a lot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-09 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:37:47 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Molle Bestefich wrote: > | > I noticed that several users have commented with a relevant > | > complaint: GCC-4.x is required by the ebuild, but no information is > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] new herd: vdr - topic reanimated

2006-07-10 Thread Jakub Moc
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 04:36:55AM +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten?? wrote: >> On Monday 10 July 2006 02:25, Luca Barbato wrote: >>> c is simpler. I like it. >> Yes, of course if _all wranglers_ respected metadata, instead of stopping to >> tag and assigning to that even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-10 Thread Jakub Moc
Richard Fish wrote: >> That won't be necessary. Things mostly works, and when they don't, >> users file a bug like the aforementioned one, which should result in >> that particular ebuild getting fixed, instead of the bug being marked >> INVALID. > > The thing is, "this particular ebuild" isn't a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-10 Thread Jakub Moc
packages when" einfo "upgrading between different versions of gcc. For example," einfo "when moving to gcc-3.4 from gcc-3.3, emerge gentoolkit and run:" einfo " # revdep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.5" echo einfo "For more information on the steps to take when

Re: [gentoo-dev] [QA] Incomplete IUSE for useflags in {,R,P}DEPEND, SRC_URI etc...

2006-07-12 Thread Jakub Moc
led for some of the rest, please go fix them ;) http://tinyurl.com/glq4m http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136953 The arch stuff (x86, amd64...) - well I don't really think they should be in IUSE. Here's a log for the rest, without the arch flags: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jakub/reports/2006

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making dobin, doexe, doins, doman, dodoc die by default

2006-07-12 Thread Jakub Moc
more annoying than an ebuild that dies after a couple of hours compile just because upstream decided to rename Changelog.txt to ChangeLog.txt and noone noticed during version bump, or because someone made a typo there. Fail to see any benefit from this... :S Ditto for manpages. -- Best regards, Ja

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk's X use flag

2006-07-13 Thread Jakub Moc
Ser Gio wrote: > Hello, > > Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the "X" useflag? The ebuild doesn't > look like it's using it. > > thanks, > Sérgio Because virtualx.eclass has it in IUSE and the ebuild inherits it. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailt

Re: [gentoo-dev]

2006-07-13 Thread Jakub Moc
Ser Gio wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:19:44 +0200 > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >> Ser Gio wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the "X" useflag? The ebuild >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk's X use flag

2006-07-14 Thread Jakub Moc
ll (such as opera). Every ebuild that inherits gnome2.eclass has this problem, fex. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA

Re: [gentoo-dev] pybugz - python command line interface to bugzilla

2006-07-16 Thread Jakub Moc
ckage.masked? ;) Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Desc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Yet Another Victim

2006-07-16 Thread Jakub Moc
Michael Cummings wrote: > I'm happy to announce a new addition to the perl team Welcome! Perl, huh? :P http://fastar.detonate.net/ftp/images/matrixse/18/6.jpg -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=ge

[gentoo-dev] sys-libs/slang - call for maintainer

2006-07-19 Thread Jakub Moc
es in stuff like app-misc/mc that just tend to break stuff. Any volunteers? Thanks! [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95247 -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerpr

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-22 Thread Jakub Moc
se automatically. > > as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to run an etc-update and > pray that it was not a file he/she had in masking. Err, no? You don't need to run etc-update/dispatch-conf to get those updated on package moves. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAI

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Stuart Herbert wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases >> - existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as >> well. > > That's actually a disadvantage. The whole point of moving a package is > to take it *out* o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-30 Thread Jakub Moc
> Those were nominated but did not (yet) confirm their participation : > jakub Wh, someone nominated me? Thanks, I accept. ;) -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-07-31 Thread Jakub Moc
r, then he goes to leave b/c the project has been unsuspended? Sorry, I really fail to see how is this council's fault (or any Sunrise project member's fault for that matter). -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/loo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-07-31 Thread Jakub Moc
ed that actually *could* be addressed. Neither in the previous thread, nor in the current one. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! > | There's a stark line between satire (my post) and invective (your > | tirade). > > No no. Stephen's post was beautifully ironic satire. ZOMG! This this to gentoo-blurb or whatever else, this thread is long enough

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-03 Thread Jakub Moc
nks. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588 [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103664 -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Good news, would be nice if you actually responded on the bug maybe? Or send out some status report occasionally, since the bug's been open for ~1 year now? >> Patience is indeed a virtue. > > Indeed.. Sorry, having a critical facility broken for ~6 months right now =! patience

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 16:07 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: >> Because it's been broken for ages? Because I've asked the same on the >> bug I've referred to multiple times, as did quite a few other people, >> and the thing is still dead ~3 hours a day?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-03 Thread Jakub Moc
end of this month. That's > including setting up the software, and testing it to make sure that the > issues that's been occurring have been addressed. Wonderful. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Masking practics

2006-08-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Alec Warner wrote: > Enrico Weigelt wrote: >> * Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> >> >> >>> How can it be too late? You sync during that 30 days it's masked, do an >>> emerge --pretend --update world, and see that it's going to downgrade. >> How do I see it (without actually having the vers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default

2006-08-04 Thread Jakub Moc
es that always fail tests and it's pretty much expected (PHP is one of them; and while the failure isn't fatal there, it still takes tons of time to go thru those ~2000 tests). And there are tons of packages where tests are more or less unmaintained. -- Best regards, Jakub

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's Social Contract & Bugzilla

2006-08-04 Thread Jakub Moc
Matthew Marlowe wrote: > 3) Free license and apparently even some free support and infrastructure > management for open-source projects. Apparently, they donated one of the bug > db's that the apache software foundation is using, for instance. Free as in - BitKeeper? :P Nah, no need to repeat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting USE_EXPAND defaults in profiles (in some cases)

2006-08-07 Thread Jakub Moc
incorrect, as it ignores defaults in profiles when you set anything in make.conf. -r3 got it correctly so that foo in profiles could be overriden with -foo in make.conf, this doesn't work any more in -r4. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk1 vs. gtk2

2006-08-07 Thread Jakub Moc
the safe side. ;) Which gets us to the point that you'd better have a look at other distros, which might more closely match your view. ;) -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-08 Thread Jakub Moc
If you read on the above, it turned out that instead of simplification things can become a lot more complicated and confusing instead. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update notes on -p ?

2006-08-08 Thread Jakub Moc
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Hi folks, > > > some packages print out important notices on install/update. > I'd like to see those notes before actually updating, so when > using --pretend. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html > cu better not. -- Best re

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