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Yup. Chalk up one more for the SoCal conspiracy. ^_^
Peter Gordon wrote:
> Another Southern Californian, it would seem. Excellent. If you're ever
> in the Anaheim/Orange County Area give me a jingle. We could go for some
> Starbucks and head to Fry's
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The mail server is not hosted by OSL. That server is somewhere in Italy, iirc.
I'm still receiving -dev mail just fine.
George Prowse wrote:
> I cant pick up my -dev emails because of this outage
>
> George
>
> On 13/03/06, Lars Weiler <[EMAIL PROTE
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whoops. don't know where i read that, then. :)
Simon Stelling wrote:
> Josh Saddler wrote:
>
>> The mail server is not hosted by OSL. That server is somewhere in
>> Italy, iirc.
>> I'm still receiving -dev mail ju
enò wrote:
> On Monday 13 March 2006 18:37, Josh Saddler wrote:
>
>>whoops. don't know where i read that, then. :)
>
> Actually, you're right.. robin (which handles the mailing lists) is in
> Trieste, but of course you need toucan to access the @gentoo.org mails...
&g
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Olivier Crete wrote:
>>i'll miss him :(
>
>
> Yea we have to keep him, he is one of the most important members of our
> community.
Agreed! I like the lil' alien. (In some obscure way, he reminds me of Earthbound
. . .)
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2002? Vintage! Welcome back.
Daniel wrote:
> Thilo Bangert has decided to return after an extended vacation (previously
> with Gentoo in 2002).
>
> The fun life of studying all over the world has finally caught up with him
> and
> really needs som
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In fact, I'd say it's _udderly_ disturbing.
. . . *vanishes*
Anyway, yes, our mascot has been along for the ride longer than most of us have
been on the project. I'd like to see him stick around.
Thomas Cort wrote:
> On Sat, 06 May 2006 21:22:56 -07
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> (snipped)
Templates seem a bit . . . hackish. Mostly we also need documentation writers to
be/who are comfortable with working with the XML code itself, tags and all.
WYSIWYG editors just don't strike me as a good idea for w
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> The desired end result is installing a system. Paludis can do that
> already, if you really want, and it will be able to do it much more
> elegantly in the future.
Aren't we looking (or trying to look) a *little beyond* just a
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Shyam Mani wrote:
> Please take a moment to welcome our latest addition to the Forums gang,
> Roy Bamford aka NeddySeagoon.
Welcome to the team! Wow, you've some credentials. I've certainly seen your
unfailingly polite, helpful presence around the for
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Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote:
>
>>Summing up:
>>* UTF-8 manuals: good or bad?
>
>
> The Only Way To Go (tm), IMHO. Let's let the legacy encodings die in piece.
Agreed. I'd like to see much more extensive use of Unicode throughout
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Alec Warner wrote:
> [...]
Gets my vote. Good idea. :)
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Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:42, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>> Initially jokey and myself will be working on this. The current focus is to
>> migrate ebuilds from bugzilla into the overlay and to get contributors to
>> commit their
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Alec Warner wrote:
> Portage-2.1 final is released,
Thanks for the hard work, Portage team. 2.1 is fabulous. Really, really good
job!
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To me, "official" means it's found anywhere within the gentoo.org/ webspace.
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Marius Mauch wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:00:43 +0200
> Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:37 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
>>> Have the GWN posted to -core in a sane time period prior to it's
>>> release. I seriou
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> [. . .]
Right on! :)
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With all the talk about forums and comments, that got me thinking: Heck, why not
just have it posted to the forums? That way it and the comments can be viewed by
the general public, but if you want to comment, you can just use your existing
forum accou
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 June 2006 04:02, Andrew Cowie wrote:
>> I'm not sure if any other distros besides Ubuntu are using it yet, but
>> certainly things will improve geometrically as they start to.
> Considering it's not Free
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Josh Saddler wrote:
>> With all the talk about forums and comments, that got me thinking: Heck, why
>> not
>> just have it posted to the forums? That way it and the comments can be
>> viewed by
&g
Doug Goldstein wrote:
All,
This is a formal notice to everyone that OpenRC will be hitting the
Gentoo tree sooner rather then later. I would like to see *ALL* arch
teams give the current code a whirl on their systems, which is available
via the layman module "openrc".
I would also like to g
Doug Goldstein wrote:
It appears my migration plan was not good enough for Mike Frysinger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and he went ahead and wrote his own version of the
OpenRC ebuild, differing from the one in the OpenRC layman repo, and
committed it to the tree this weekend.
Since my offer to work o
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:07:43 -0700
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I see that a number of packages in the tree explicitly filter
-ffast-math.
That's mostly from the bad old days when users were encouraged to use
silly CFLAGS...
1. _When_ was this?
2. _Who_ w
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
Alright. Then I'll nominate all members of the current council. In
alphabetical order:
amne
betelgeuse
dberkholz
flameeyes
jokey
lu_zero
vapier
Seconded.
(Also...it's voting time already? Can't believe it's already been a year.)
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Łukasz Damentko wrote:
Hi guys,
Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council
members (again):
amne
betelgeuse
dberkholz
flameeyes
joke
George Prowse wrote:
> [stuff]
Take it to gentoo-project, please. This list is s'posed to be for
technical discussion. gentoo-project is more appropriate for this kind
of query.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:49:35 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:50:11 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So how, specifically, is PMS "wrongly written", and why hasn't
anyone who thinks so bothered to p
Steve Dibb wrote:
Any objections to moving MP4 from a local to a global USE flag. For the
record, MP4 is a multimedia container to store multiple audio/video
formats in.
Currently we have 4 ebuilds using it, all for the same description.
4 doesn't sound quite worthy of global, yet. However,
Alec Warner wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I actually object to having crap in dev-python, because things should be
categorized functionally instead of by the language they're implemented
in. 90% of the time you don't care a
Tags . . . I like the idea. I like it a lot. Thoughts? Exciting? Or is it an
old issue, and I'm 5 years late to the party. :)
Probably more than 5...
Well, that's not very helpful. Got any links? My archives.g.o-fu has
failed me.
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Fabian Groffen wrote:
I'm just wondering... unless it has changed since last time I installed
Gentoo Linux, but isn't the installation manual on purpose conservative
with CFLAGS? make.conf.example also does not much more than
"-march -O2 -pipe". -O1 to the linker feels conservative to me. Stil
Philip Webb wrote:
I'm not sure whether anyone among Gentoo officials cares about this,
but IBM has an article
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-awk1.html
whose byline is very misleading & may infringe on Gentoo's IP.
I have submitted a comment to IBM via their form at the bot
Philip Webb wrote:
080716 Josh Saddler wrote:
Philip Webb wrote:
I'm not sure whether anyone among Gentoo officials cares about this,
but IBM has an article
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-awk1.html
whose byline is very misleading & may infringe on Gentoo
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Reading around on the net, it amazes me how many people are using
developer profiles for their Gentoo because they think it's for software
developers and don't see that it's for Gentoo developers and not
intended for end users. They know the "Developer" installation pr
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Howdy all,
Further questions regarding use.desc have come up with regard to this
GLEP. My proposed solution would be a potential amendment to the GLEP to
state that
Comments, Suggestions, Input are all welcome.
If you're going for proper XML, then it should look l
Andrew D Kirch wrote:
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Andrew D Kirch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[...]
Looks like you counted the number of files in the files/
subdirectories. Not all of these are patches. Also, you probably
forgot to count seds, as some of us use sed mor
Ben de Groot wrote:
Hi everyone,
I recently got interested in LXDE[1], the Lightweight X11 Desktop
Environment, and I would like to see this available in portage. At the
moment there are, to my knowledge, 3 overlays maintained by users that
include ebuilds for lxde. I think it is time to combine
Philip Webb wrote:
I really do appreciate the hard volunteer work the KDE team donates
& have nothing but thanks to them all, but shouldn't your priority be
to get KDE 4.1 into 'testing', so that users can actually try it out ?
There's also 3.5.10 , which has been released, but isn't in Gentoo ye
Joe Peterson wrote:
Sorry if this answer can be found elsewhere, but if one has a proxy maintainer
(i.e. not a Gentoo dev) for a package, can/should this person be added to
metadata.xml? Is there a special tag for this? I can certainly see this
being helpful (so that person automatically gets o
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
- All our docs should be updated to refer to irc.gentoo.org instead of
irc.freenode.net.
Fixed in irc.xml and most of our other documentation in /doc/en/; will
fix the rest later.
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Alec Warner wrote:
> If pmask is not for testing...what is it for?
UT GOTY and nvidia-drivers, of course!
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Thomas Sachau wrote:
> I just had a user in bugzilla who thought, the developer profile would be for
> software developers,
> not just for gentoo developers. Probably he is not the only one.
>
> What about either adding some big warning on portage output or renaming this
> profile to e.g.
> "gen
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Robin H Johnson wrote:
>
HOMEPAGE="http://this-package-has-no-homepage.gentoo.org/";
>>> That would impose needless lookups on subdomains of gentoo.org for
>>> clients trying to load the homepage.
>> http://gentoo.org/package-has-no-homepage/ t
Doug Goldstein wrote:
> As some people may have already noticed, I have recently added OpenRC
> 0.3.0 to the tree. This will be the stabilization candidate in
> approximately 30 days.
>
> I encourage everyone to kick the tires on this one.
>
> Current Bugs: *http://tinyurl.com/4housz*
>
I need
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Willikins was not in the following channels, as nobody requested it here yet.
>
> #gentoo-apache
> #gentoo-br
> #gentoo-db
> #gentoo-doc-nl
> #gentoo-embedded
> #gentoo-eselect
> #gentoo-hardened
> #gentoo-installer
> #gentoo-media
> #gentoo-netmon
> #gentoo-osx
> #gento
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> I'm believe the primary reason is for release LiveCD's.
> They ship with evolution-exchange, and that requires
> evolution/evolution-data-server to be built with USE=kerberos
> They don't do /etc/portage business, so it's a global USE flag to get
> things like GRP packages to
Ben de Groot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add a new category to the tree: lxde-base, to be used
> for the LXDE desktop [1,2] packages, in correspondence to the categories
> for the other desktop environments we have (gnome, kde, xfce). With the
> help of a few users I have been developing ebui
Ben de Groot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add a new category to the tree: lxde-base, to be used
> for the LXDE desktop [1,2] packages, in correspondence to the categories
> for the other desktop environments we have (gnome, kde, xfce).
> Comments are welcome!
First, thanks for getting this st
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote:
> (stuff)
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159086
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Mark Loeser wrote:
> So, gentoo-wiki.com went down for a awhile and took something away from
> our users something that is useful. Its back now, but I think we should
> consider having our own official wiki that our users can contribute to.
> We already have something very similar to this on the f
Gokdeniz Karadag wrote:
> The wiki can be a staging ground for user contributed documents, which can
> become part of official docs after a review and cleanup by developers.
. . . no, I'd think not.
It takes time and effort to produce one of our polished, professional
documents. That's duplicatin
Song Ma wrote:
> I tried "dispatch-conf" and "etc-update". Here are two major differences
> from my tool:
>
> 1. For desktop user, my tool will invoke GUI based "kdiff3" to do diff
> and merge files if the user installed the "kdiff3". And for remote login
> user or the user without "kdiff3", the
Nathan Zachary wrote:
> If one has built a system with the default python and perl USE flags,
> what steps would be necessary to remove all packages and dependencies
> after removing them from the USE declarations?
After kicking 'em out of make.conf, run emerge -pvtuDN world (the N is
important; i
Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
>
>> [1] http://dev.gentoo.org/~bluebird/sparc-multilib/
>
> I would put it in the gentoo.org/doc/en/ domain and link to it in the
> gentoo-sparc index
> (http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/sparc/index.xml)
>
> 2 cen
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote:
> [Rant rant rant]
1. Stop bitching.
2. Go away.
(Not necessarily in that order.)
Oh, and by the way:
> - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom!
Guess what? We don't own that. We don't control it. It has no
affiliation with Gentoo; it'
Right now, there's no canonical (heh) way of handling SRC_URI for
projects that have their files at launchpad.net. We need a standard way
of handling Launchpad SRC_URIs, similar to what we do with
mirror://sourceforge/ SRC_URIs.
1. Some packages use the launchpadlibrarian.net download redirect, wh
Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:47:04 -0800
> Alec Warner wrote:
>
>> Is GuideXML in fact a barrier for submission (do we get complaints
>> about it?)
>
> I seem to remember doc/newsletter people stating on multiple occasions
> that they're happy to accept plain text submissions (feel
Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> I was thinking, maybe it would be possible to drop categories completely in
> the future (maybe keeping symlinks for compatibility and to ease migration)
> and to put *all* packages in one directory - that would require making all
> names unique of course.
Tags for pac
This is not the right place to ask.
Ask on either:
1. Gentoo forums: http://forums.gentoo.org
2. Gentoo user mailing list: gentoo-u...@lists.gentoo.org
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may also want to check http://forums.gentoo.org to see if anyone else
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Petteri Räty wrote:
> Let's try something new. I would like to get opinions from as many
> people as possible about GLEP 55 and alternatives listed here in order
> to get some idea what the general developer pool thinks. Everyone is
> only allowed to post a single reply to this thread in order to m
Olivier Crête wrote:
> Maybe we could use the dev wiki for that kind of stuff?
>
> Having a wiki.gentoo.org would be even better...
There is, but it's uber-sekrit.
Or so I was told some years ago. It may or may not (still) exist.
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Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new
> problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you
> depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an example).
>
> So I think it's time for a short eapi b
Dawid Węgliński wrote:
> On Sunday 08 of March 2009 23:50:08 Ryan Hill wrote:
>
>> You do realize that many people don't speak any English, and therefore
>> wouldn't be filing bugs anyways? They just want to use their
>> computer. I'm not sure they will appreciate you forcing a language they
>>
Aaron Lebahn wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Andrey Falko wrote:
>
>
>> Would it be possible to integrate these scripts into Gentoo current
>> graphical installer, as well as included on one of the minimal install
>> CDs?
>>
>>
> Yes, That would be a good idea. I could add to the grap
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Hi folks, just a quick note, since the Willikins bot is widely used now.
>
> Due to the datacentre where the bot is hosted moving physical premises, there
> will be a downtime of 4-16 hours, starting Apr 15 04:00:00.
>
> 4 hours is the timeframe I've been told, but I thi
Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> I hope it goes without saying that bug 213988
> (http://bugs.gentoo.org/213988) should be resolved before either
> stabilization or news posting. The doc is somewhat out of date now.
I assume you mean the baselayout-2/openrc migration guide?
Not as far as we know. And what w
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is a request for comments on a new project,
> namely "Gentoo Support Everywhere".
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gse/
>
> The web page doesn't really explain all the background
> needed to understand why would anyone want to start such
> a project. Howe
William Hubbs wrote:
> My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software
> being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd?
I am all in favor of this. We should strive to provide easy access to
our distribution, and that includes opening up new access methods.
I remember one time
lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote:
> Adding "@overlay" atoms/deps postfix support could really make life
> easier, especially because forcing specific atoms in *DEPEND hoping
> that these will be always pulled in from the same overlay is not
> something reliable, as you already know.
No. This is a terr
AllenJB wrote:
> I'd favor tags over increasing the category
> levels, tho I'm not convinced either is necessary at the current time
> (tho tags might make searching easier, in some ways).
Heck yes! Tags are a good idea. The idea's been raised on -dev a few
times. I suppose they're not (yet) essen
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>> GDP team:
>> (I didn't hear from you in the bug)
>> Could you please update:
>> - handbook section "Writing Init scripts"
>> - OpenRC migration guide
>
> ACK on this one, we are already overwhelmed by openrc changes wrt init
> scripts at media te
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> [stuff]
Thanks, will take a look.
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Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Rémi Cardona wrote:
>> And now for some bikeshedding fun, which flag are we going to keep? ;)
>
> My vote would be for cdaudio as that
>
> - is more general (including analog playback)
> - is more user friendly
>
> but let those decide who "implement" it.
I'm also i
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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The mobile herd, a group of laptop and mobile-computing related
> ebuilds, desperately needs more maintainers.
>
> We are severely understaffed with only 8 maintainers (several which
> are not active in the h
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Lance Albertson wrote:
> All-
>
> Just thought I'd update you on some of issue's we've been having with
> bugzilla.g.o lately. Yes, its been slow in the last few months, but
> today has been even slower than normal. The primary reason being another
>
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:10:48 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Not true. According to the 2006.0 x86 profile, for example, you're
> | > required to have ">=sys-devel/gcc-3.3.4-r1". There is no requirement
> | > t
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Joshua Nichols wrote:
> Krzysiek Pawlik wrote:
>> Two new new-style virtuals have been added today to the tree:
>>
>> - virtual/jdk
>> - virtual/jre
>>
>> This allows migration to generation 2 of Java build system to advance.
>> All virtual/{jdk,jre}
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Daniel Drake wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The local root exploit-of-the-week would have been unable to run if our
> users systems had /proc mounted with nosuid and/or noexec
>
> It would be worthwhile considering making this a default. What are
> people's though
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Michael Cummings wrote:
> I'm happy to announce a new addition to the perl team (no, not that kind
> of addition - Dr. says that's in September folks;). You may know him
> from such bugzilla favorites as "libeperl dies on `awk`" and
> "libwww-perl has
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Alec Warner wrote:
[. . .]
You win the Thread Title of the Month award!
There's no such thing as too much cowbell. :p
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Joshua Nichols wrote:
> * JBoss maintainer
>
> JBoss is a pretty important app in the enterprise world of Java. It has
> been pretty unmaintained for some time now, and could use some love.
> Because of the nature of this beast, I would want someone t
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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> To my former fellow Gentoo developers and users,
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 11:58:09PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>> To my fellow Gentoo developers and users,
>>
>> In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided th
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Luis Medinas wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote:
>>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for
>>> anyone who volunteer or the sound
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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough people
> using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair
> I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unma
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 28 August 2006 14:50, Tuan Van wrote:
>> where do I get "I voted" sticker?
>
> http://www.cafepress.com/spankgentoo.13531918
> -mike
I'm _so_ voting for the Rice Party next election.
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Stefan Schweizer wrote:
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Define "contributors" -- is this a special status? If it is, how does one
*become* a "contributor" to get these rights?
This is potentially a big problem, the way I see it.
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Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> Josh Saddler wrote:
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>> Define "contributors" -- is this a special
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Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> they are not defined by their status. I wonder why this word is causing
> problems ..
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> The status is maybe being an arch tester. This GLEP is not about status,
> only about giving some people bugzilla access when needed.
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Simon Stelling wrote:
> Hello all,
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> I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me.
>
> Thanks in advance!
While this has a novel approach to the problem (at least, I haven't seen
anything else that tries to solve the LICENS
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Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> That's not the issue. The issue is that there should *already* be a
> releng liason, but nobody from releng seems to know anything about this
> project.
>
I dunno . . . does releng really need to be involved, except if these s
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As long as we have no package sets support in portage, I do indeed think
>> that this is the best way to go. Didn't realize that you mentioned it,
>> too.
>> @Stuart: What
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the
> | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new
>
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:42:02 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Not that bugging people w/ pointless paperwork would contribute
> | anything useful to this new project or get any work done... What
> | exactly is the
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Oh look, we just got Slashdotted by someone doing their level best to create a
smear campaign, or at least to spread FUD:
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/09/20/2246231.shtml
As I said on IRC, new project, new whiteboard. why don't we leave it up to
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Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> (well, it's run more like a commune, but anyway).
I *knew* someone else was using my soap!!!
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Lionel Bouton wrote:
> Here's an updated draft. I included most of your remarks and added some
> notes on append-flags/filter-flags. I'll probably submit it to Ulrich
> around the end of the week.
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> CFLAGS
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> Being a
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Andrew Ross wrote:
> Daniel Ostrow wrote:
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>> Gentoo-wiki does not now nor will it ever get linked to from official
>> Gentoo media, documentation, or anything else within the www.gentoo.org
>> namespace...
>
> Really?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/new
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:29:14 -0400 Michael Cummings
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 11:08 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > You mean devrel still hold secret meetings behind people's backs,
> | > and sa
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Thomas Cort wrote:
> [. . ]
My, that's an awful lot of work on top of everything else we have to do. D'you
plan on getting us all paid, as well? That'd be motivation to stay and be even
more productive.
Also, it's not necessary for every dev to also
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