Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-13 Thread Petteri Räty
Patrick Lauer wrote: Then there's package management. (Your favourite topic, I guess, because you want to keep complexifying it until one needs a PhD to write an ebuild [which, in a way, would be quite ironic]) At least for me new EAPIs have been / are making ebuild writing easier.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-13 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 08:35:41AM +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:31:36 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works. An equilibrium has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-11 Thread George Prowse
Thilo Bangert wrote: to me, the above two contradictory viewpoints are the essence of the apparent and real decline in Gentoo activity. The two are just not compatible with each other and there is no clear guidance on to which of the two should be followed. in the one corner we have the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works. An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for debate. There is a strong argument to be made that preserving the equilibrium will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-11 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:17:32 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: An equilibrium seems to have been reached which currently works. An equilibrium has been reached, agreed, but that it works is up for debate. There is a strong argument to be made that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com said: On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining 100x500 each one. Just look at the numbers ( total packages/total ACTIVE developers ). So

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: Retiring)

2009-05-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org said: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Thilo Bangert bang...@gentoo.org posted 200905101051.43926.bang...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 10 May 2009 10:51:38 +0200: also, i feel voting for bugs is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-08 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM, George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: Oh good lord, what have I started here... I can see that being as successful as the Norweigan referee in last nights Chelsea v Barcelona game Oooh, and here's the funny part, the max replies are by the same old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-08 Thread Markos Chandras
On Friday 08 May 2009 12:19:28 Duncan wrote: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net posted pan.2009.05.06.17.25...@cox.net, [..] If a potential recruit isn't interested in IRC, Gentoo isn't interested in them as developers. Which, I suppose, is good to know, agree or not. Ok now you are overreacting.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-08 Thread Richard Freeman
Duncan wrote: But no matter, the practical fact of the matter is that for someone who would otherwise not do IRC, it's just one more hurdle in the process. Whether it's useful or not, trivial or vital, no longer matters, it's defined by the gatekeepers as a requirement, therefore, by said

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-08 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 12:45 +, Duncan wrote: Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org posted 200905081342.17562.hwoar...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 May 2009 13:42:13 +0300: On Friday 08 May 2009 12:19:28 Duncan wrote: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net posted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: Plus, as I said, with a pre-arrangement, it's possible to do email reasonably close to real-time as well, close enough they'd not have time to look it up unless they had /some/ idea what was going on. What good is simulating

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread Arttu V.
On 5/7/09, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: There's no reason that can't be done via email, and throwing in some live commit feed action might make it a bit interesting. =:^) I'm sensing a sort of a patches welcome attitude from the crowd, i.e., not falling for a hard sell of just the idea.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:29:33PM +, Duncan wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) hk...@gentoo.org posted 4a02a0e7.5050...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 May 2009 10:50:47 +0200: I've seen a few replies from the (rare) Gentoo dev as well, indicating they basically don't do IRC

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread Richard Freeman
Thomas Anderson wrote: It seems to me you're on a irc-hate rampage. There are many devs who rarely, if ever, go on irc. The _only_ requirement is that you conduct a real-time interview with a recruiter. I have to agree with this sentiment - I have nothing against IRC but it is a bit too

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-07 Thread George Prowse
Arttu V. wrote: On 5/7/09, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: There's no reason that can't be done via email, and throwing in some live commit feed action might make it a bit interesting. =:^) I'm sensing a sort of a patches welcome attitude from the crowd, i.e., not falling for a hard sell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-06 Thread Rémi Cardona
Petteri Räty a écrit : Currently we really don't need to fail that many people as those who end up at that point in the process almost always have good enough skills as they have contributed via overlays for quite a while. Ditto on that. Most recruits I've been actively watching these past few

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Sachau
George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with the #gentoo-sunrise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer then the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:11:02 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gentoo recruited a whole load of people without verifying their abilities. With lots of new developers, what little time skilled developers already have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.05 18:37, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly [snip] That's not how it works -- we know this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:37:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining 100x500 each one. Just look at the numbers ( total packages/total ACTIVE developers ). So first we need to attract more people. Evaluation and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:19:00 +0100 Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: - From your post, it appears that standards were lowered during the recruitment drive you reference. Not quite. At the time, there weren't really any particular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Sebastián Ramírez Magrí
El mar, 05-05-2009 a las 18:28 +0100, George Prowse escribió: Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into answer these on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before and research allowed questions, and recruiters have to be prepared to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 23:47:08 George Prowse wrote: Thomas Sachau wrote: Mario Fetka schrieb: On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-04 Thread Mounir Lamouri
George Prowse wrote: I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to join you will always be understaffed. Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some linux magazines, talk to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-04 Thread George Prowse
Mounir Lamouri wrote: George Prowse wrote: I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to join you will always be understaffed. Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some linux