Re: [gentoo-user] Need help getting portage to email me emerge logs using ssmtp...

2011-12-16 Thread Indi
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 04:40:01PM +0100, Tanstaafl wrote: Hope someone has an idea... You could try esmtp; Always seems to work for me when the others fail. Haven't tried what you're pursuing, but surely it can be made to work fairly easily... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread Indi
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: - 8 snip I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-12 Thread Indi
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0100, James Broadhead wrote: On 12 December 2011 23:52, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:40:02PM +0100, Pandu Poluan wrote:    On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, LinuxIsOne [1]linuxis...@gmail.com wrote:    ((No wonder NASDAQ

Re: [gentoo-user] Lynx, Links, or Elinks?

2011-12-09 Thread Indi
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:40:01PM +0100, Lavender wrote: At 2011-12-09 19:38:06,Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: As the subject says: Which text browser do you recommend? ( I just want to read some documentations in HTML. ) I'm using lynx, I feel it is great ! Lynx is small but

Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!

2011-12-09 Thread Indi
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0100, Mick wrote: On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 14:51:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 06:47:22AM +, Mick wrote: rumble To me it seems we Gentooians don’t care much about social sharing, semantic desktops or data associations. We

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-06 Thread Indi
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:00:03PM +0100, LinuxIsOne wrote: However, Getoo could be great (I really don't know) but installing Ubuntu is working like a charm (I still don't know anything in Linux!) But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-06 Thread Indi
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:00:02PM +0100, LinuxIsOne wrote: I guess, if Gentoo is required to be learned first and that's why it is not so popular like Ubuntu and lag far behind than it. When I asked a stranger do you know about Computers? He says, no but I know what it is. Then I asked him

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-06 Thread Indi
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 12:40:01AM +0100, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-06, ny6...@gmail.com ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:15:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 03:40:01PM +0100, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011-12-05 Thread Indi
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:40:03PM +0100, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:10 PM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I like gentoo and FreeBSD best for low-spoec hardware. What does low

[gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch

2011-12-03 Thread Indi
Howdy y'all, About a month or so ago I did an update which seems to have caused portage to lose the ability to work verbosely. Ever since it looks like this: paste idd@gh:[~]9:07:23 $ sudo emerge -vauND adobe-flash These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating

Emerge ignoring make.conf entries [was Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch]

2011-12-03 Thread Indi
it, but really I just cannot justify the ratio of 24k recieved emails to one sent, so I really have to use the usenet group to read and reply. As long as it's broken, my posts will break threads -- sorry! Got too much else to do to fiddle about with that. indi On 03.12.2011 15:23, Indi wrote

Re: Emerge ignoring make.conf entries [was Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch]

2011-12-03 Thread Indi
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 05:20:01PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:37:51 -0500, Indi wrote: that is not the verbose flag, but silent-build. Hmm, I always thought the -v was the verbose switch, and that it should work properly regardless of what's in make.conf

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Computers and mental/emotional health

2011-10-04 Thread Indi
the opposite for me. If only I could have a scriptable interface for real life everything would be perfect -- just imagine... indi@real_life$ feed cat make tea --serve in_bed -- caveat utilitor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal

2011-10-01 Thread Indi
On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 07:06:20AM -0400, Andrey Moshbear wrote: Found the problem: setuid bit was missing; chmod 4711 did the trick (verified via solid-hardware list). Time to logout and login and see if that was all. You're very courageous, posting that you found the solution before

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Indi
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote: The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important. *MONEY* ...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making billions. OS X is not a linux distribution. It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of BSD

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Should I be worried that I won't be able to dual boot in Gentoo?

2011-09-26 Thread Indi
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:56:20 +0530 Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Mon 26 Sep 2011 08:51:17 PM IST, James Broadhead wrote: On 26 September 2011 16:01, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if you have seen this. Given that we're moving into UEFI boot what

Re: [gentoo-user] WPA2 connection configuration?

2011-09-26 Thread Indi
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 07:08:05AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Not to belittle non-power users, most everything can be done by putting some more intelligence into the init.d scripts. Of course, this should be implemented by Gentoo itself. I'll spelunk in the relevant scripts and

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Should I be worried that I won't be able to dual boot in Gentoo?

2011-09-26 Thread Indi
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 06:46:21PM -0400, Albert W. Hopkins wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 11:15 -0500, Dale wrote: So buy a mobo without it or that can disable it. Got it. It'll be a good while before I buy a new mobo tho. I'm sure they will have a nice fix by then but this is

Re: [gentoo-user] WPA2 connection configuration?

2011-09-26 Thread Indi
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:47:18 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 September 2011 03:19, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Or skip the net config/init scripts stuff and just use something like wicd. Getting a

Re: [gentoo-user] Nepomuk is eating my disk space

2011-09-26 Thread Indi
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 03:18:56AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, My /home partition is 15GB, and the other day KDE warned me it was down to 1% free. I found that .kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-v irtuoso.db was occupying

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Indi
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Indi
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with Audacious), for me. Now, when I upgraded to 2.4.x dbus was forced on me (well, that and Xfce4)... I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39

2011-07-19 Thread Indi
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:50:19 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday 18 July 2011 14:30:28 Stroller wrote: On 18 July 2011, at 12:18, Mick wrote: Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer? Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023. please

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39

2011-07-19 Thread Indi
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:37:09 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 06:27:52 Indi wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:50:19 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday 18 July 2011 14:30:28 Stroller wrote: On 18

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39

2011-07-19 Thread Indi
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 04:38:26PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 07:13:24 Indi wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:37:09 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 06:27:52 Indi wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:50:19

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Indi
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:47:54 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:06:09AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 02:10:34PM -0500, Dale wrote: I saw a guy on a TV interview once. He said the only way a helicopter can fly is by brute force. A airplane wants to fly but a helicopter just wants to crash. He said that can be proven by taking your hands off the controls. Down

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:18:49AM -0500, Dale wrote: To think people wonder why my USE line is so big. I keep having to add stuff when portage pukes but portage never tells me when one has fell off the reservation and needs to be removed. sighs Over the years, it adds up. I'm a

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:36:14PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 14:16:05 Alan McKinnon wrote: A while ago I eventually got my contacts back. I forget the actual cause now, but I strongly suspect it involved tinkering with mysql, and this may have broken in turn my

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:37:49PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 11:23:15 Indi did opine thusly: Ha, so it's true then: using my blackberry as a PDA (sync'd to google calendar) and not bothering with that stuff on my computer anymore may indeed have saved lives

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's the only way I would get on a plane. You haven't lived until you've been up in a small, underpowered ultralight or

Re: [gentoo-user] Use split to break up a 10GB file binary?

2011-06-21 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 05:28:05PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 08:25:57AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi,    Is split an appropriate program to use to break a single 10GB file into 100 100MB

Re: [gentoo-user] Use split to break up a 10GB file binary?

2011-06-20 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 08:25:57AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Is split an appropriate program to use to break a single 10GB file into 100 100MB files to transfer over the net using rsync, and then use cat to reassemble? Is there some better way to do this? Just using rsync by

Re: [gentoo-user] tethering an htc incredible

2011-06-19 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 06:25:00AM -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Sat, Jun 18 2011, David Abbott wrote: If you open up wicd = Preferences = General Settings = Wired interface the defaultis eth0. That is what I have. Are you suggesting I should change it to usb0? I did not have to

Re: [gentoo-user] USB Problems

2011-06-14 Thread Indi
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:18:02AM +, JDM wrote: Have only tried CONFIG_HID_ROCCAT but this did not help. Will give the others a go. Not quite sure why older kernels would recognise keyboard but .39 kernel does not and .38 I have issues with when plugging in usb stick. Are the kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-12 Thread Indi
messages from news.eternal-september.org. So I was off the air for about 3½ hours today. I'm using Kmail with bog-standard threading and aggregation, and this message is shown as a reply, not to Dale but to Indi; the message that contains this: Thanks for reporting on Thunderbird. When

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Indi
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:10:25AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the app created. Well, once you get some of the amazingly bone-headed defaults corrected tbird is pretty nice -- for people with eagle eyes who don't need an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:01:47AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-06-05 11:44 PM, Indi wrote: I see what you mean about the default config, LOL. Been trying to change the font sizes used for the message list and folder pane, but no success yet. Makes it a bit hard to see things but other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote: After much googling the conclusion is many many people are desperately unhappy about the fonts in tbrd and incredibly, it ain't fixable! Hard-coded font sizes -- isn't that, like, retardn00b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:16:27PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:34 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the app

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Easily fixable... Tools Options Display Formatting Oh wait a minute, *NOW* I see! You're not using what I tested at all -- either you're in windows or you're using something other than thunderbird 3. Sorry, we don't do windows

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:22:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:56 on Monday 06 June 2011, Tanstaafl did opine thusly: On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Believe it or not you are supposed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:13:31AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: As to your last - yes, I'm on Windows (as I stated before) - but nothing says this hack only works on Windows... It doesn't work in linux. It was the first thing I tried. ***[Snip all the rest of the advice that doesn't work in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of thunderbird. IOW you can stop now! Thank you. :) -- klaatu virada nicto

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:38:17PM +0200, enno+gen...@groeper-berlin.de wrote: As I'm not affected I don't know about any issues for the visually impaired. Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enough

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:23:06PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: tbird is a Moz product. Rendering stuff on screen is almost everything that they do ... everything else supporting just that one thing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:47:33PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.06.2011 14:44, schrieb Indi: You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of thunderbird. IOW you can stop now! I use Thunderbird here runnung on my beloved gentoo and all that Tanstaafl wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:37:26AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-06-06 8:44 AM, Indi wrote: You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of thunderbird. IOW you can stop now! As I said, there is nothing indicating that userChrome.css hacks are not cross-platform. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.06.2011 16:24, schrieb Indi: If you (or if anyone using it *on* *linux*) manage(s) to double the size of the default fonts in the folder list and message list I'll listen, You mean something like this? http

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:58:55 +0200 Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Am 06.06.2011 16:48, schrieb Indi: Very first thing I tried after realizing they stupidly didn't allow it in the config options was /* Global UI font */ * { font-size: 32px !important; font

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:13:39 +0200 Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: As an extension of my previous mail there is although the addon stylish that can be used to set all that without the need to restart thunderbird for every change.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:07:28 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2011-06-06 10:48 AM, Indi wrote: At one point it was far more specific with a number of individual fonts listed, not one of them worked. Did you make the change while Thunderbird was running? No. Also

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:28:14 +0200 Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi: Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86? :) That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop and there thunderbird reads

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:28:14PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi: Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86? :) That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop and there thunderbird reads and applies

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:34:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.06.2011 17:55, schrieb Indi: Uh, no. I will decide what's too big to be usable, not the software, thank you. It is not really the software that decides that. Thunderbird is a gui application and all guis have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:38:08PM -0400, Indi wrote: xulrunner is 2.0.1-r1i Should say 2.0.1-r1, sorry. -- klaatu virada nicto

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:42:01AM -0700, kashani wrote: I'd like to point out that the PEBCAK was on your end. Sorry, no. And you just used your one shot at trolling me. Do it again and it's the bozo bin for you. -- klaatu virada nicto

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Thunderbird doesn't use system xulrunner. I use mail-client/thunderbird-3.1.10 and xulrunner-5.0_beta2 for firefox. Thanks for the info. What matters though is that it is very hard to configure properly for people who

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:16:12AM -0700, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/06/2011 09:52 AM, Indi wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:42:01AM -0700, kashani wrote: I'd like to point out that the PEBCAK was on your end. Sorry, no. And you just used your one shot at trolling me. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:19:40PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Not every tool is for every user or every need. If there a better tool to use then why bother with something less. I'm not a thunderbird fanboy so i can accept that t-bird has its limitations and its problems and that it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:01:35 + (UTC) James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes: Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enough for most things that need

Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!

2011-06-06 Thread Indi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:32:11PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 04:35:46PM -0700, walt wrote: Thunderbird is my every-day news and email client and I don't switch because it just works for me. Oh that reminds me, one of the annoyances which seems to be common among GUI MUAs is they create a fixed set of IMAP folders which one is

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:46:49AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:59 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:01:22PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sunday 05 June 2011 06:43:37 Indi wrote: On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:46:49AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:59 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:40:29PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: So here's one thing that MacOS is very good at: text searches. I have to archive old mails in off-line tbz2 to retain some sanity, my colleagues on Macs don't. Their mail store goes somewhere (we don't know where, not having

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:34:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: A victim of release early, release often? :-) Yes, definitely. One of these days I'll switch back to stable, just haven't been willing to bite that bullet quite yet. At least it's helped me temper my obsessive tendencies a bit

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:41:42PM +0100, Mick wrote: On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 12:17:08 Indi wrote: If I were driven strictly by aesthetic concerns qt and kde4 might be my choices, as they can be extremely pleasant to look at. Heh, reminds me of my ex -- he was very pleasant to look

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 02:23:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:17 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: If I were driven strictly by aesthetic concerns qt and kde4 might be my choices, as they can be extremely pleasant to look at. Heh

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:57 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:34:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: A victim of release early, release often? :-) Yes, definitely

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 03:11:04PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:44 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: Yes, probably I'm unlikely to do it... Never did actually switch from testing to stable, it's always the other way around. Every now

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:20:01PM +0200, Mick wrote: The Usenet headers do not show any X-Original-References: in your message, at least not in my Knode. They do, but apparently knode isn't showing you all headers. The email headers also do not show any X-Original-References: at least in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:17:53PM +0100, Mick wrote: On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 19:35:52 Indi wrote: On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:20:01PM +0200, Mick wrote: The Usenet headers do not show any X-Original-References: in your message, at least not in my Knode. They do, but apparently knode

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 10:16:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 21:36 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: This post was done that way, so let me know. :) This post only shows: Message-ID: 20110605183552.ga23

[gentoo-user] thunderbird fixed folders?

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people insist it doesn't do: creates redundant Trash and Drafts folders, both locally and (cardinal sin) on the remote server! So now in mutt there are all these redundant mail

[gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote: So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people insist it doesn't do: creates redundant Trash and Drafts folders, both locally and (cardinal sin) on the remote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On 06/05/2011 11:51 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 06/04/2011 02:59 PM, Indi wrote: Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on thunderbird and see how they do with it... I absolutely love Thunderbird, but with one caveat... I love it because of its stability, how well it does

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:10:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: Part of my post that you chose not to quote was I'd be the first to admit that Macs have flaws. All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believe any of them are perfect. Last time I used Linux on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:30:01AM +0200, Mick wrote: On Friday 03 Jun 2011 21:10:29 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: When i start alsamixer and select with the soundcard-selector the audio device of my usb cam ... alsamixer crashes with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 01:10:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: most of the broken threads will seem to be broken by Indi. Now change it to Standard Mailing List and threading mostly goes back to being normal. I don't think the broken threads are anyone's mailer, I think it's kmail doing

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 02:30:02PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 14:03, schrieb Indi: Could it have anything to do with the fact that I read this list from the usenet group, rather than the list itself? Could that cause an inconsistency in headers that might break

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:05:24AM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what order things are supposed to be in so just replying as I get to them

Re: [gentoo-user] sntp error in rc.log post OpenRC migration

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:47:20AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, finally took the plunge, and as everyone else said it was pretty much anti-climactic... However, I'm getting the following error when starting sntp that I wasn't before in rc.log: * Setting clock via the NTP client 'sntp' ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:22:57AM -0500, Dale wrote: Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:05:24AM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: I don't think that there is something that can be done, because the server changes the headers of the mails. That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it gzhlc-5n...@gated-at.bofh.it gzj0b-84...@gated-at.bofh.it gzvl7-3y...@gated-at.bofh.it Can't believe I never

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:38:38AM -0400, Indi wrote: Well I could be wrong but do believe the MUA wll write the Xref or References headers according to what the server has on the original message. If the original header info exists anywhere in the message sent by the mail2news gateway

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:50:03PM +0200, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: I don't think that there is something that can be done, because the server changes the headers of the mails. That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:47:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and KDE SC

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 02:37:32PM -0400, CJoeB wrote: On 06/04/11 14:17, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/04/2011 08:54 PM, CJoeB wrote: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install,

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:59:52AM -0700, kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:38:52PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2011 11:59:52 kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: diplomatic mode I have a slightly adverse general opinion about the mail client called 'mutt'. I am not saying that this is the fault of its devs nor do I suggesst that there is anything wrong with its users. /diplomatic

Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time became TB never

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Stroller wrote: You know, Finder is not as bad as you would imagine. I don't have to imagine. Bought my first Mac (an SE) in 1987, and my last in 2009. The '87 SE still works, the 2009 mini no longer does and was a buggy piece o' crap all its life.

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