[Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
Hi! I am I big fan of OSS and I love the GIMP initiativ. I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why there is a menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view, it is not very good... I also have some other questions regarding usability, but I will start with this

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Axel Wernicke
Hi Martin, Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin Nordholts: Hi! I am I big fan of OSS and I love the GIMP initiativ. That is an very honorable attitude :) I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why there is a menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
From:Axel Wernicke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDUSubject:Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'Date:Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:34:15 +0100Hi Martin,Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin Nordholts:Hi!I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
I think this implies a design flaw. IMHO, you should neverneed to sacrifice understandability for layout. As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading Adobe PS be the best thing to do? The

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
The user interface of Photoshop has the same problem that GIMP's user interface has: It has not been designed but it is grown into what it is today. In that aspect the Photoshop user interface is definitely worse than GIMP. I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Steve Stavropoulos
On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote: At first I had a hard time grasping the philosify behind Photoshop's interface, but after taking a class where we learned PS, it all made sense. You took a class to understand PS interface and now you find it better than GIMPs, for which, by the way, you

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote: GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop. Well, I think it should! If there is any software today that has potential to be a PS counterpart, it is GIMP. I mean why, would we not want it to be Photoshop? It's so simple that I fail to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/21/06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: are doomed to fail if you try to make a great tool by carbon copying it. By carbon copying other tool, sorry :))) Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Jon A. Cruz
First of all, I probably should mention that I'm not a GIMP developer. However, I have worked with user interface design professionally for over a decade and a half, and had been doing plugins for Photoshop since before 3.5... On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: I've

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
First, thanks for an insightful reply. I read about MDIs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interface and I was conviced, MDI seems like a thing of the past. However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Campbell Barton
This is one of those debates which dosent thrill me. Gimp != Photoshop. People often misunderstand free software and think. Hey here is a free Photoshop, cool. What?? its not the same... why not??? People open the gimp. poke about. and complain if its not what there used to. *(Grrr) I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/21/06, Sven Neumann wrote: Well, in this particular case, I would just encourage to rename 'Xtns' to 'Extensions'. The problem here is that the toolbox is rather small and if we renamed the menu as you suggested, that would push the Help menu off the window. Of course you

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Axel Wernicke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexandre, Am 21.03.2006 um 23:51 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task. Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document window. This is not the case in the gui

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote: Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task. Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document window. This is not the case in the gui architecture of GIMP right now. Exactly. So, do you have some Inkscape-like GUI on your

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Axel Wernicke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 21.03.2006 um 23:58 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote: Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task. Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document window. This is not the case

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Simon Budig
Martin Nordholts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface) be very tough to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular, and afaik lots of people agrees that TDIs

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Brendan
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 14:45, Sven Neumann wrote: By having an identical interface, more people could migrate, more people would help on development, and everything would become better. GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop. We do not believe that Photoshop

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'

2006-03-21 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Martin Nordholts writes: I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't agree. To me Photoshop's interface is much more thoroughly designed. Well, using usability expertise and the experience of real power GIMP users in (re)designing GIMP's UI is something which the GIMP