Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread peter sikking
Rob Antonishen wrote: Read this with intrest (as a user) what is the intrinsic difference between save a copy and save as? I am assuming the working document changes in the save as case to the new saved as file. In the save a copy case I assume the working doment is unchanged. yes it works

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 11:50 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: Does this mean that the annoying pop-up asking If I want to export will go away if I choose export? The dialog does not really ask you if you want to export. It informs you that the image can't be saved because the format you have

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread saulgoode
Quoting peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net: we have discussed this intensely before, the ambiguity of what you really got in your document window after opening--or saving to--a non-GIMP-type image (e.g. jpeg, png). : : So here is a short spec:

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Daniel Hornung
On Friday 06 March 2009, Sven Neumann wrote: So we probably need to add specific actions to save a layer, a channel or a layer mask. If that (plus to save all of a kind, e.g. all layers) could go into the generic save dialog, we would have another 10% questions less on irc :) Daniel

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 07:33 -0500, saulgo...@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com wrote: I also think that it must be possible to export to GIMP file types. This is necessary so that more than one version of GIMP data files can be supported. (ie, GIMP 4.0 might still need to create GIMP 2.x

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread peter sikking
Sven wrote: Alexia wrote: Does this mean that the annoying pop-up asking If I want to export will go away if I choose export? The dialog does not really ask you if you want to export. It informs you that the image can't be saved because the format you have chosen can not handle some

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 14:17 +0100, peter sikking wrote: right. one thing I have no overview of is how many ‘topics’ there are for which there are dialogs. Up to now I have seen layers, transparency, bit-depths. Let's have a look at the capabilities that the save plug-ins announce:

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Alexia Death
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: This results in a variety of possible dialogs: And? If I save to a format it can be assumed that I know its limitations. Being warned once about the information loss is good enough. Mind, gimp does not even do that right now.

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread yahvuu
great this gets tracked down. One minor suggestion, a simple renaming: Export...= Export as... Save back= Export this way, 'Export' resembles 'Save' as a one-click-action and 'Export as...' parallels 'Save as'. Additionally, the association between 'Save' and safe is kept

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread yahvuu
oops, just recognized i'm replicating a previous post, sorry yahvuu schrieb: One minor suggestion, a simple renaming: Export...= Export as... Save back= Export ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Kevin Cozens
yahvuu wrote: One minor suggestion, a simple renaming: Export...= Export as... Save back= Export this way, 'Export' resembles 'Save' as a one-click-action and 'Export as...' parallels 'Save as'. That sounds good to me. Save back would be something I've never seen in any

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Alexia Death
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 17:37 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: And? If I save to a format it can be assumed that I know its limitations. Being warned once about the information loss is good enough. That is not what GIMP is

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 18:03 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: Why would I convert it beforehand? Why would a user need to do a bunch of actions that serve no purpose, are mostly 100% automatic and even hinder when I want to follow the export action up with a native save? Because they are not

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 17:24 +0100, Jon Senior wrote: Just to present the opposing case. My workflow is: 1) Open raw image via the ufraw plugin. 2) Retouch as necessary, saving as xcf file. 3) Copy visible as new image 4) Resize new image for print or web + sharpen as neccessary. 5)

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Jon Senior
Apologies. I think I hit reply, not reply-all. On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:40:36 +0100 Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: Sure, we all just want the computer do do what we want, without being asked. But unfortunately mind-reading devices are not yet available. So the only thing we can do is to ask

[Gimp-developer] Behavior when saving a selection to channel

2009-03-06 Thread Rob Antonishen
I posted this as a bug, and was told by Sven Neumann the behaviour was intentional and to raise it here. Currently, when saving a selection to a channel, either using the UI or via the PDB, the active drawable gets changed from the working layer to the new channel. I believe the active drawable

Re: [Gimp-developer] Behavior when saving a selection to channel

2009-03-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 18:46 -0500, Rob Antonishen wrote: I posted this as a bug, and was told by Sven Neumann the behaviour was intentional and to raise it here. Thanks for bringing this discussion to the mailing-list. The current behaviour is confusing to a user because of the following

Re: [Gimp-developer] Behavior when saving a selection to channel

2009-03-06 Thread David Gowers
Hi!!! On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this as a bug, and was told by Sven Neumann the behaviour was intentional and to raise it here. Currently, when saving a selection to a channel, either using the UI or via the PDB, the active

Re: [Gimp-developer] save + export...

2009-03-06 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 17:40 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: [...] I am all for improving this situation. But so far no one has come up with a good idea how this could be done. We can't just guess what the user might want to do. We could do better than today. E.g. export to tiff should be probably

Re: [Gimp-developer] Behavior when saving a selection to channel

2009-03-06 Thread Rob Antonishen
That might not have been the best example. A guess a more useful example would be that after building a complicated selection to isolate a portion of an image (say the sky) the user wants to save that selection, then modify the entire image (say gamma correction, or colour balance, even