Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 22:34 -0800, Valerie VK wrote: Are there any plans for a Future feature page on the GIMP website? You obviously completely missed that we are currently discussing the roadmap for 2.6 on this mailing-list. The goal is to get this task list published by the end of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread peter sikking
I wrote: I do take the hart of the matter [...] serious. really, I did not mean an adult male deer, I meant 'the heart of the matter...' --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread peter sikking
Sven wrote: So could we please stop talking about some completely irrelevant article and instead deal with the actual problem? Thank you. since I am responsible for this 'department', I do want to say something, but I'll keep it short. I do take the hart of the matter, which is behind that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread Michael Grosberg
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: Solve the transparency problem, and the criticism will go away. You say what to do, but you don't say how. Very simple: Peter has a blog, right? and very occasionaly, he posts something relevant to the Gimp UI, such as the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread peter sikking
Michael Grosberg wrote: Very simple: Peter has a blog, right? and very occasionaly, he posts something relevant to the Gimp UI, such as the post about the print dialog. uhm, the print dialog stuff is for openPrinting. That project plots the future of printing for all linux desktop systems.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-06 Thread gg
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:47:12 +0100, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: I do take the hart of the matter [...] serious. really, I did not mean an adult male deer, I meant 'the heart of the matter...' you probably also meant seriously. I'm surprised an intelligent dutchman

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 11/5/07, Valerie VK wrote: This is why I suspect it to be a transparency problem and not really a process problem. People actually Won't criticize a process if they think it is doing a good job. In the case of the GUI team, we don't know if it's doing a good job. In fact, we don't see a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Esteban Barahona
2007/11/5, Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Solve the transparency problem, and the criticism will go away. You say what to do, but you don't say how. allowing comments (with moderation... like most blogs) on http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ will be a good start. the wiki of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Esteban Barahona
As an example of why a GIMP.UI mailing list (or changes in the blog) is necessary Send your image to us [EMAIL PROTECTED], put the word 'GIMP' in the title of your email (to avoid spam, emails without GIMP in the title or without an image attachment will not be opened). So, if I have a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Schumacher
Esteban Barahona wrote: allowing comments (with moderation... like most blogs) on http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ will be a good start. The idea is that comments are done by images - if you do like something, you can add more suggestions based on it. If you don't like something, you

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 11/5/07, Esteban Barahona wrote: You say what to do, but you don't say how. allowing comments (with moderation... like most blogs) on http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ will be a good start. That won't work. Brainstorm means no discussion. Otherwise it's not a brainstorm. See, I do

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-05 Thread Valerie VK
This is why I suspect it to be a transparency problem and not really a process problem. People actually Won't criticize a process if they think it is doing a good job. In the case of the GUI team, we don't know if it's doing a good job. In fact, we don't see a job being done at all.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-04 Thread Valerie VK
I suspect the true problem isn't one about the process, but one about the perceived results. When you think about it, people rarely criticize a project Just for the process. People criticize MS Windows for being closed-source and thus full of bugs and functionality problems, but nobody criticizes

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-04 Thread gg
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:26:30 +0100, Tim Jedlicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrast the GIMP UI redesign with the GIMP project as a whole, which invites and receives patches, bug reports, and ideas from scores of outsiders. The focus was on the UI redesign, not GIMP. In fact the quote

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-04 Thread Michael Grosberg
gg at catking.net writes: I dont think Nathan's analysis is that far off the mark. The interaction with the UI team is very one way and definately gives the impression of please go away , we're busy. The so called brainstorm blog is more like a super market's suggestion box than a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-04 Thread Valerie VK
Well, I agree with the gist of your message... but one thing needs to be said: Designing a good UI doesn't require the same amount of people that implementing it in code does. This is why I suspect it to be a transparency problem and not really a process problem. People actually Won't

[Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-03 Thread Barry Loo
GIMP just got some negative press at linux.com. What are y'alls opinions on it? http://www.linux.com/feature/120635 Loo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-03 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 11/3/07, Barry Loo wrote: GIMP just got some negative press at linux.com. What are y'alls opinions on it? http://www.linux.com/feature/120635 This is quite unusual for Nathan to miss the point *that* much. Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Barry Loo wrote: GIMP just got some negative press at linux.com. What are y'alls opinions on it? http://www.linux.com/feature/120635 As far as GIMP is concerned, http://www.linux.com/?module=commentsfunc=displaycid=1169329 and http://www.linux.com/?module=commentsfunc=displaycid=1169345

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-03 Thread Robert Krawitz
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:47:18 -0400 From: Barry Loo [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMP just got some negative press at linux.com. What are y'alls opinions on it? http://www.linux.com/feature/120635 I've had my share of issues with the GIMP UI (and I've been vocal about it at times), but I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Negative Press

2007-11-03 Thread Tim Jedlicka
Contrast the GIMP UI redesign with the GIMP project as a whole, which invites and receives patches, bug reports, and ideas from scores of outsiders. The focus was on the UI redesign, not GIMP. In fact the quote above compliments GIMP (but at the UI redesign's expense). -- Tim Jedlicka,