Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-31 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
On 10/29/09, Laxminarayan Kamath kamat...@gmail.com wrote: What about FreeMI ? standing for Freedom to Manipulate Images? *if* the GTK people want to rename accordingly, even that would sound nice FreeTK Whether people are serious about this or not, I am going to revise my suggestion. FreeMI

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-31 Thread Alexia Death
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Griffiths scg...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:06 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: Some English speakers discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. These words make me squirm. fag - a pile of sticks (secondary meaning, rarely used)

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-31 Thread phanisvara das
i'm glad that gimp developers prefer to spend their time on improving the application rather than discussing and implementing 'improvements' to it's name. it's a darn good program. before i switched over to linux about one year ago i thought i couldn't live without photoshop. now i wouldn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-31 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/31/09, Christopher Howard wrote: that. Every heard, though, of the original name of the Linux OS? Torvalds wanted it called Freaxs. Fortunately, though, the name Linux stuck, and even Linus admitted this was better. For reasons far beyond human imagination this is all but a valid

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-31 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/31/2009 09:26 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: The question you really have to ask is: will actual GIMP developers agree to work on rebranded GIMP? Because, you see, there are just 3,7 of them. And only Martin (correct me if I'm wrong) once said he wouldn't mind having GIMP rebranded. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Lucian Sabo
Same thing happend to me when I announced on a forum I created a program named RIOT (an acronym of Radical Image Optimization Tool). Some people pointed that the name is not good. Quote: The name is not good. It conveys the impression that the program will make a right mess of users' images.

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread David Gowers
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: On Thursday 29 October 2009, you wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: All the above comprise a significant factor in why forks are regarded, at best, as a necessary evil. All

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Alexia Death
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: A list of files that would need modification: ... SINP LONG LIST... And all of GIMP code. 98% functions are prefixed as gimp. You can try to grep for

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Monty Montgomery
if it were more canonical, people would already be calling it Gnu IMP or IMP). That's fair enough.. IMP *is* a better name (and people who object to it on religious grounds probably are terminally humorless), Actually I think there are quite a few people who would be more open to using the

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Rob Antonishen
I honestly don't see the problem people have with the word. My school-age daughter came home talking about using gimp in school. I thought great, a progressive schoolboard willing to use open source software. Alas, she was referring to gimp, the plastic craft lace. Also known as boondoggle

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Patrick Horgan
Monty Montgomery wrote: Actually I think there are quite a few people who would be more open to using the Gimp if the development community were screened for religious preferences. I don't see why it's OK to offend the Christian users, but not ok to offend just the 'prudes'. We could fork

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Scott
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:13:55AM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote: We could fork the project to only include Christian developers, thus... uh... you all *are* getting this is sarcasm, right? Way OT, but speaking of getting in trouble with acronyms, I remember years ago at law school when

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Mohler
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Scott drmem...@3rivers.net wrote: Way OT, but speaking of getting in trouble with acronyms, I remember years ago at law school when someone founded a Christian Legal Association there, and they would post bulletins on the walls. Somebody (hmmm, wonder who?...)

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Christopher Howard
Alexia Death wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: A list of files that would need modification: ... SINP LONG LIST... And all of GIMP code. 98% functions are prefixed as gimp.

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Nathan Summers
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.us wrote: People keep saying the original developers named it GIMP and that is that. Every heard, though, of the original name of the Linux OS? Torvalds wanted it called Freaxs. Fortunately, though, the name Linux stuck, and

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread David Gowers
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.us wrote: Alexia Death wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: A list of files that would need modification: ...

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread Stephen Griffiths
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:06 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: Some English speakers discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. These words make me squirm. fag - a pile of sticks (secondary meaning, rarely used) nigger - a person from a poor background (secondary meaning, almost unheard

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-30 Thread John Meyer
Stephen Griffiths wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:06 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: Some English speakers discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. These words make me squirm. fag - a pile of sticks (secondary meaning, rarely used) nigger - a person from a poor

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Alexia Death
This thread makes me want to draw Wilber in spandex and some cuffs and pehaps Gegl with a whip ;)... too bad it would be going too far to make something like that a dev splash. --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Jakub Friedl
In case the no name change policy is ever dropped, I have a suggestion for the new name: Perfect Image Manipulation Program It should fix all the problems :) On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM, John B johnb...@gmail.com

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Alexia Death
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jakub Friedl kyk...@gmail.com wrote: In case the no name change policy is ever dropped, I have a suggestion for the new name: Perfect Image Manipulation Program It should fix all the problems :) Indeed! Lets make it one better. HomeOffice Perfect Image

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:59:28AM +1030, David Gowers wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM, vabijou2 vabi...@yahoo.com wrote: So just because some old farts in Scotland may have good associations with the word, you think that renders the rest of the English-speaking world's

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 09:22 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: This thread makes me want to draw Wilber in spandex and some cuffs and pehaps Gegl with a whip ;)... too bad it would be going too far to make something like that a dev splash. Why would that go too far? Please go ahead! regards, --mitch

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Cristian Secară
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:19:57 -0400, Jakub Friedl wrote: In case the no name change policy is ever dropped, I have a suggestion for the new name: Perfect Image Manipulation Program It should fix all the problems :) Can't wait for the next day comments after this name change, when some

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Have you looked at the meanings of the word pimp? If no, you will really be surprised. On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:19:57 -0400, Jakub Friedl wrote: In case the no name change policy is ever dropped, I have a suggestion for the new name: Perfect Image Manipulation Program It should fix all the

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Jakub Friedl
You've somehow missed the emoticon at the end of my post... But your reaction makes me want to officialy announce this name change exactly 154 days from now... :D 2009/10/29 Cristian Secară or...@secarica.ro On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:19:57 -0400, Jakub Friedl wrote: In case the no name change

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Stephen Griffiths wrote: If the argument for keeping the name is seriously that the project branding is valuable, why don't we write that in the FAQ? Purely coincidentally it's been in the FAQ for years. Alexandre

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
2009/10/29 Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:  Have you looked at the meanings of the word pimp? If no, you will really be surprised. Just in case, irony has very little to do with iron and metals :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Patrick Horgan
Stephen Griffiths wrote: ... elision by Patrick The name GIMP is not so invaluable that it cannot be changed, also there is a massive number of outsiders who find the name truly unappealing, I do not hear the raw of the people saying they love the name. You can hear my raw here. I love

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Stephen Griffiths
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 15:27 -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote: Stephen Griffiths wrote: ... elision by Patrick The name GIMP is not so invaluable that it cannot be changed, also there is a massive number of outsiders who find the name truly unappealing, I do not hear the raw of the people

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-29 Thread Stephen Griffiths
I really mistook the what Patrick was saying here (of which he was kind enough to make me aware of privately), I apologise for reacting so quickly. I think I have already said what I meant to say in the first two posts and will take the time to bow out from any further participation. regards,

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Chris Mohler
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM, John B johnb...@gmail.com wrote: IMO this would be a valid reason for a name change. Has that ever been considered? Search the archives - this has been discussed to death... and there will be no name change. Chris

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/28/09, John B wrote: I use Gimp frequently, and I find this pretty concerning. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp#Noun_2 There is no way I'm wearing a Gimp T-Shirt after reading item #5. Fine with me. Don't wear it. Worse, I seem to recall the Gimp mascot being referred to as a gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Patrick Horgan
John B wrote: I use Gimp frequently, and I find this pretty concerning. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp#Noun_2 There is no way I'm wearing a Gimp T-Shirt after reading item #5. Worse, I seem to recall the Gimp mascot being referred to as "a gimp" in multiple occasions on the website.

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Worse, I seem to recall the Gimp mascot being referred to as a gimp in multiple occasions on the website. You got it wrong. Mascot's name is Wilber and he thinks you should apologize. No, John is

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Christopher Howard
John B wrote: Well, if it's out of the question, then I guess I'll just shut up before this becomes a big argument. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread vabijou2
Patrick Horgan wrote: The same site you cited has the following: Adjective gimp ( comparative more gimp, superlative most gimp) Positive gimp Comparative more gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.us wrote: John B wrote: Well, if it's out of the question, then I guess I'll just shut up before this becomes a big argument. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:41 AM, vabijou2 vabi...@yahoo.com wrote: So just because some old farts in Scotland may have good associations with the word, you think that renders the rest of the English-speaking world's interpretation silly?  %-| Personally, I think the question you just asks

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Andrew A. Gill
Well, if we're going to do this discussion, I think I'll just unsubscribe for a while. Let me know when you guys decide to keep the name GIMP. Or better yet, don't. -- | Andrew A. Gill To ensure continued quality of service, | |this e-mail is being monitored by the

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Stephen Griffiths
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:48 +1030, David Gowers wrote: It doesn't really matter that much to the developers *what* it is called, as far as I know. The point is really the branding... changing name will definitively LOSE a lot of users, no matter what the current name is or the intended name

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Christopher Howard
Stephen Griffiths wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:48 +1030, David Gowers wrote: It doesn't really matter that much to the developers *what* it is called, as far as I know. The point is really the branding... changing name will definitively LOSE a lot of users, no matter what the current name

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.us wrote: Stephen Griffiths wrote: When I mentioned forking the project I wasn't thinking of having a version of GIMP out there that was actually following a fully separate development path with a bunch of disgrunted GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Brendan mailingl...@endosquid.com wrote: All the above comprise a significant factor in why forks are regarded, at best, as a necessary evil. All forks dilute branding, which introduces user confusion and repels potential users. I think it's incorrect to say

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:15 AM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Call it the Gnu IMP. This has to be facetiousness, doesn't it? What about FreeMI ? standing for Freedom to Manipulate Images? *if* the GTK people want to rename accordingly, even that would sound nice FreeTK --

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread David Gowers
Incidentally, I like Stephen's 'Wilber/ Wilber Image Editor' suggestion (in another related thread). I'm envisioning someone using the latest GIT version because they *have* to be up-to-date with the newest stuff, the program crashing and destroying their work, and they cry 'No!

Re: [Gimp-developer] The name Gimp

2009-10-28 Thread Monty Montgomery
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Laxminarayan Kamath kamat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:15 AM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Call it the Gnu IMP. This has to be facetiousness, doesn't it? What about FreeMI ? standing for Freedom to Manipulate Images? *if* the GTK