Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-16 Thread pcg
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:16:28AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:38 AM 7/14/2003 -0400, Robert L Krawitz wrote: What happens if in the future someone writes a gimp-java interface (like gimp-perl)? Would there be any security issues there? No. I do not

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:57:18 +0200 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the user installer] Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should I file a request in bugzilla, asking for a Fullscreen with Menu option or do you think it would not be worth adding? I think it is not worth to clutter the menu with this since the menu is always available as right-click menu anyway. The

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-16 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:42:49PM +0200, Marc A. Lehmann wrote: What happens if in the future someone writes a gimp-java interface (like gimp-perl)? Would there be any security issues there? No. I do not believe people like you. Sorry, but how can you so bluntly claim

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Alan Horkan wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:57:18 +0200 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the user

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Alan Horkan
This actually could be a serious usablity issue, since a user who has the menubar on (which a distro might set as default) after going to fullscreen mode might not be able to figure out how to get the menubar back, or even how to return to windowed mode. Hit Escape (Esc) should work. Also

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go to the menu and toggle View Menubar. How did you miss this? (Gimp 1.3.4) I had the menubar turned on I expected to still have the menubar in fullscreen mode. I don't understand your answer but just to clarify my sentence I will describe the

new-xcf (was:Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec)

2003-07-16 Thread Adam D. Moss
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: Well, ar's limitations with respect to name length etc. are in practise not every severe (nobody will have 1 character file names (the ar limit), and even antique ar implemnentations will support up to 255 characters). Technically I don't know

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: I think, the security argument against JAR is very far-fetched. A JAR is basically a ZIP with a META-INF directory containing a MANIFEST.MF file. That's it. There is a lot of code around for creating / reading ZIP files - I'm a bit worried

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Adam D. Moss
Nathan Carl Summers wrote: (bah, watching actual real users in usablity tests at work stumble around when using really fairly simple interfaces has caused me to loose all faith in the intelligence of humanity. Then again, our users are actual real users, too.) Yes, quite so. :( Seeing such

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This actually could be a serious usablity issue, since a user who has the menubar on (which a distro might set as default) after going to fullscreen mode might not be able to figure out how to get the menubar back, or even how to return to

[Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HOWEVER, this might be a good time to think about whether we'd prefer a compressed format that we can random-access de/compress on the fly instead of going via a huge (and with image data we can easily be talking HUGE) temporary intermediate file.

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fullscreen mode was added to be able to view the image in a neutral environment w/o being distracted by any user interface elements. Adding a menubar would completely ruin this effort. I'm sure any

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-16 Thread Nick Lamb
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:35:42PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: I don't think we should use a compressed archive. Instead the binary data in the archive should be compressed. That allows to choose the best compression scheme for the data and to combine different compression techniques in the

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:39:25PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I file a request in bugzilla, asking for a Fullscreen with Menu option or do you think it would not be worth adding? I think it is not worth to clutter the menu with this since the menu is always

Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: [Gimp-developer] the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 18:28, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: Don't! Fullscreen mode is useful for more than that. It is nice when working on a large image, or a smaller image with high magnification, to get rid of superfluous stuff like the window decoration, but in that case the user may still

Re: new-xcf (was:Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec)

2003-07-16 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:28:18PM +0100, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically I don't know if that's true. From my ar man page: GNU ar can maintain archives whose members have names of any length; however, depending on how ar is configured on your system,

[Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: If we would design our own extremely simple wrapper format there would be no need to work with the compatibility mess existing formats are (all of them :). If we say that access by other tools than gimp is not important we could get away

[Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf (was:Re: GIMP GBR format spec)

2003-07-16 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-07-16 at 2223.29 +0200): If we would design our own extremely simple wrapper format there would be no need to work with the compatibility mess existing formats are (all of them :). If we say that access by other tools than gimp is not important Brainstorming, a dir

[Gimp-developer] Re: Menubar in fullscreen mode [Re: the userinstaller]

2003-07-16 Thread Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-07-16 at 2244.11 +0200): Don't! Fullscreen mode is useful for more than that. It is nice when working on a large image, or a smaller image with high magnification, to get rid of superfluous stuff like the window decoration, but in that case the user may still want

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-16 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:43:13PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: designed as a GIMP-only format. People already use XCF in other apps simply because there is no reasonable format for layered images. That is not true. MIFF was around for years, for example, was always able to

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP GBR format spec

2003-07-16 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:12:37 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:42:49PM +0200, Marc A. Lehmann wrote: What happens if in the future someone writes a gimp-java interface (like gimp-perl)? Would there be any security issues there?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: new-xcf

2003-07-16 Thread Christopher W. Curtis
On 07/16/03 20:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: - maybe there is a need to have a gimp-specific file format, especially when you want to store the image data in a non-trivial way to speed up access. - maybe there is a need to have a nicely defined exchange format for