Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
Hi, We have all the possibilities on gimp.org and we should use them. But who will do all the necessary work? Aren't you facing that problem on every server ? IMHO the whole plugin project should move back to Well :( Then we will have to find somebody who does it first. Yep. We need a crew of people interested in doing it... Salut, Sven
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
Hi, stuff to sourceforge is a bad idea from the very beginning since it is confusing to the users. another thing: why is this confusing to users? Has anybody complained to you? At least on this list (or the sourceforge lists) no sign of confusion was in sight. The web-pages make it quite clear what gimp-plug-ins is used for. It's confusing since the gimp stuff should come from one server not from a bunch of differently named and hard to find places. So this might be a false alarm. I really don't think it looks as bad. Especially if you consider that such a thing as asked for since about a year, and we _still_ douldn't have even something remotely similar if there weren't that sourceforge project. Huh? I'm sure that if a group of people volunteers to create something useful and gimp-related and ask for access to the server, they will be given that possibility. That's my whole point: Why do you put the effort into sourceforge instead of putting it into www.gimp.org where other parts of the website might benefit from it too? Salut, Sven
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
Hi, I don't know. Graphics samples don't really fall under my vision of the plug-in site, but they can go there if they need a home, I guess. I can add it to the task list, and I'll give access to the web server (at sourceforge) to anyone who wants to implement it and demonstrates half a clue. They belong to www.gimp.org and of course people interested in working on that stuff can get access to the server (with similar restrictions to what you said: demonstrate half a clue...). simpara role="JadedBastard" Bah, it's hopeless, there's cruft at gimp.org, you got your gimp package from Helixcode.com, or the "gimp toolkit" from gtk.org, users go to gimp-savvy.com, developers get bug reports and CVS from gnome.org, and mailing lists run under the berkeley.edu domain but they're archived at who-knows-where. What's wrong with adding sourceforge, geocities, and MSN into the lists of hosts too? / It's the wrong solution to a bigger problem. If you think that having all those different sites is a problem, why don't you help the gimp.org maintainers to change this to the better, but instead add another problem in the same spirit...? Salut, Sven
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
So this might be a false alarm. I really don't think it looks as bad. Especially if you consider that such a thing as asked for since about a year, and we _still_ douldn't have even something remotely similar if there weren't that sourceforge project. Huh? I'm sure that if a group of people volunteers to create something useful and gimp-related and ask for access to the server, they will be given that possibility. That's my whole point: Why do you put the effort into sourceforge instead of putting it into www.gimp.org where other parts of the website might benefit from it too? Sven, My experience is that this does not work in practice. I spent a lot of time last summer trying to get Grokking the GIMP onto gimp.org and just could not convince anyone to allow me to do it. That's why I created Gimp-Savvy.com. Carey Dr. Carey Bunks Senior Scientist BBN Technologies 70 Fawcett St, 15/2A Cambridge, MA 02138 tel: 617-873-3028 fax: 617-873-2918 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)]
Hi, if I'm informed correctly, there is some work underway for a new gimp website. Who _is_ working on the new gimp.org site? I think it would be a good idea to have several people working on seperate bits of the site (i.e. someone sorts out the downloads, someones else the documentation, etc.) so that each person only has a small amount of work to do, this way it is more likely to stay up-to-date. We have all the possibilities on gimp.org and we should use them. IMHO the whole plugin project should move back to gimp.org too. If that means that we need to overwork the infrastructure of www.gimp.org, why don't we just for it?? I absolutely agree with you -- gimp.org is the obvious base for The GIMP and where users will go first GIMP stuff. I think that gimp.org has been neglected for too long, but this can change:) I also think that binary packages of stable gimp (and dev-gimp maybe) should be available from gimp.org, because that's what non-developers want. Also, gimp-win32 should be better integrated with gimp.org because no seems to know where it is!! Just IMHO, - Piers Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
Robert L Krawitz wrote: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:12:35 +0200 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] So this might be a false alarm. I really don't think it looks as bad. Especially if you consider that such a thing as asked for since about a year, and we _still_ douldn't have even something remotely similar if there weren't that sourceforge project. Huh? I'm sure that if a group of people volunteers to create something useful and gimp-related and ask for access to the server, they will be given that possibility. That's my whole point: Why do you put the effort into sourceforge instead of putting it into www.gimp.org where other parts of the website might benefit from it too? Alternatively, why not put all of the Gimp on Sourceforge rather than trying to duplicate their effort? That doesn't prevent www.gimp.org from existing; you may even be able to DNS alias the appropriate *.gimp.org site to Sourceforge, although I'm not positive about that. Hi, Oh no, please not. I really appreciate the great service provided by Sourceforge but for me it's *terribly* slow sometimes. There are even days where I don't get any connection at all (which does never happen with gimp.org). Maybe it's a problem with my connection or our university network which is my gateway but my theory is that Sourceforge can't serve all requests sometimes. Do others have the same experience with Sourceforge or am I the only one :) bye, --Mitch
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
He asked this very mailing list. [See attached] For just one link. And while only Dr. Bunks can authoritatively state the response he received, apparently it was zip. It was never my point to say that the situation is perfect as is. The only reason why I spoke up was that I wanted to speak for gimp.org. If there's a chance to get new people, new ideas, new spirit into gimp.org then the time is now. Perhaps only the IRC is the proper forum for gimp administrivia... Sometimes it is, perhaps it shouldn't be. Everything can be changed... On the other hand, perhaps this is why we really, truly need a gimp.org webmistress/master - or a group that can make the role function - so as to realize requests such as this. That is the true issue. As any number of posters have observed, bits can live anywhere - who cares where they live. Sourceforge. gimp.org. Anyplace is fine by me. I do not at all insist on staying with the gimp.org server, but I'd really like to see a more uniform namespace. And I do agree wholeheartly with you that we need a group of people feeling responsible for gimp.org. Original Message Received: by u2.farm.idt.net for gosgood(with pop daemon (v1.21 1997/08/10) Thu Apr 13 20:35:10 2000) snipped... What do folks think of adding either of these two resources to the Gimp? Toolbox/Xtns/Web Browser/Gimp-Savvy.com -- http://gimp-savvy.com/ Toolbox/Xtns/Web Browser/Grokking the GIMP -- http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ I think it's a very good idea and as soon as those routers decide that I may reach cvs.gnome.org, I will commit this change. Sorry, that the mail was silently ignored in the first place. Sometimes it's hard to follow each and every mail on the list... Salut, Sven
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 11:18:57AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: gimp.org helixcode.com gtk.org gimp-savvy.com gnome.org berkeley.edu... It's the wrong solution to a bigger problem. If you think that having all those different sites is a problem, Well, actually, I'm not convinced it is a problem. As long as things remain well-linked both from and to gimp.org, I feel what domain name the sever falls under is pretty inconsequential. Remember, the American courts haven't made deep-linking illegal yet ;) -- Kevin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | OpenPGP encryption welcome here Plug-ins: They make GIMP do stuff. http://gimp-plug-ins.sourceforge.net/ This list is archived at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gimp-developer To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
Kevin wrote: As long as things remain well-linked both from and to gimp.org, which implies that someone is actively maintaining the gimp.org site. If the few people interested and willing to do website design and website maintainance decide to perform their skills outside the gimp.org domain, noone is left to do the (sometimes boring) job of maintaining, updating and redoing the main site. That's the only problem I have with outsourcing gimp.org. Salut, Sven
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:58:35AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have all the possibilities on gimp.org and we should use them. But who will do all the necessary work? Aren't you facing that problem on every server ? On sourceforge, everyone can get access. With gimp.org only very few people have access. IMHO the whole plugin project should move back to Well :( Then we will have to find somebody who does it first. Yep. We need a crew of people interested in doing it... That's only the first step. The next step is to decide wether we actually want that. A http://plug-ins.gimp.org would fit very nice, and the sourceforge staff already helps a lot. Moving would certainly require _more_ work, and I am not sure wether it's worth it. I think the most unfortunate aspect was that first it was decided to go to sourceforge and now some people want to move it back... that won'T do any good to any project... -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:47:33PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who did you ask then? Took me a little luck and a few minutes on irc to get sven.gimp.org and freetype.gimp.org registered under the It took me two emails to not get anything registered under gimp.org. Maybe I just lack the luck or something... I am not mad about this or anything, it's just that the people having access to gimp.org are very busy, and getting them to do more work (even if it is 'just' adding a dns entry) is going to take some time. In the same time it takes to go to irc and ask somebody to do somehting for you you could have done it yourself using sourceforge And always asking other people to do something for you is definitely going to *suck*. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 11:12:35AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's confusing since the gimp stuff should come from one server not from a bunch of differently named and hard to find places. Excuse me, plug-ins.gimp. org is difficult to find, especially when it's linked from the www.gimp.org site??? Where on earth are you living? Fact is, no link exists on www.gimp.org, and no dns alias exists either. But this just shows how HARD it is to get even the _most_ simple things done, when one wants to use the existing gimp.org framework. In the same timespan where NOTHING was done on the www.gimp.org pages a full new project was created on sourceforge. If everything in gimp development was so quick we would still be at gimp-0.0. No, thank you. BTW, I think it's faaar too late anyway. This whole thing was discussed quite often in the last year. Creating that project (or something similar) was already too late. Huh? I'm sure that if a group of people volunteers to create something useful and gimp-related and ask for access to the server, they will be given that possibility. Well, I was told that doing it on gimp.org was a lot of work and sourceforge might be a viable alternative. And I actually agree. Why bother other people that already have no time? That's my whole point: Why do you put the effort into sourceforge instead of putting it into www.gimp.org where other parts of the website might benefit from it too? Because sourceforge made it possible. On gimp.org it wasn't even possible to add a simple dns alias. There is no evidence that the current setup is confusing, especially if there were appropriate linkage (gimp-plug-ins has a lot of links to www.gimp.org, btw). So I don't think you have the right to critize the setup. I have seen how the way your described works (not). There are just too many ifs (if there were more people helping, if gimp.org was easier to administrate etc...). gimp.org is still in the "if's" state, while gimp-plug-ins already is in the "basic framework there" state. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:13:56PM -0400, Adrian Likins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, it might be easy to create a source forge page for it, though I dont see where that would make it easier to upload. The plug-ins sourceforge project might be a nice place for that. Given a bit of pressure, Kevin Turner might even create some kind of upload form where people could upload brushes, for example. (For some kind of brush-repository). -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 02:45:01AM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stuff to sourceforge is a bad idea from the very beginning since it is confusing to the users. another thing: why is this confusing to users? Has anybody complained to you? At least on this list (or the sourceforge lists) no sign of confusion was in sight. The web-pages make it quite clear what gimp-plug-ins is used for. So this might be a false alarm. I really don't think it looks as bad. Especially if you consider that such a thing as asked for since about a year, and we _still_ douldn't have even something remotely similar if there weren't that sourceforge project. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Request for new, high-quality, brushes (and maybe patterns too)
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 01:57:50AM +0200, Marc Lehmann wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:13:56PM -0400, Adrian Likins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, it might be easy to create a source forge page for it, though I dont see where that would make it easier to upload. The plug-ins sourceforge project might be a nice place for that. I don't know. Graphics samples don't really fall under my vision of the plug-in site, but they can go there if they need a home, I guess. I can add it to the task list, and I'll give access to the web server (at sourceforge) to anyone who wants to implement it and demonstrates half a clue. But for me, it's going to be very low priority. (e.g. somewhere near "turn over the compost pile".) On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 02:45:01AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: if I'm informed correctly, there is some work underway for a new gimp website. IMHO this is the ideal place for such a forum. Oh? I know I've heard plenty of people (including the retiring gimp.org webmaster) say that there *needs* to be work underway for a new gimp site, but I don't recall seeing anyone sign up to update it... maybe I just missed that post? Moving gimp stuff to sourceforge is a bad idea from the very beginning since it is confusing to the users. We have all the possibilities on gimp.org and we should use them. simpara role="JadedBastard" Bah, it's hopeless, there's cruft at gimp.org, you got your gimp package from Helixcode.com, or the "gimp toolkit" from gtk.org, users go to gimp-savvy.com, developers get bug reports and CVS from gnome.org, and mailing lists run under the berkeley.edu domain but they're archived at who-knows-where. What's wrong with adding sourceforge, geocities, and MSN into the lists of hosts too? / -- Kevin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | OpenPGP encryption welcome here Plug-ins: They make GIMP do stuff. http://gimp-plug-ins.sourceforge.net/ This list is archived at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gimp-developer To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
